Airplanes - ugliest
Charles F Seyferlich
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>
> OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> the ugliest?
>
>clip <<
My list?
A10
HP Heyford
Any of the Guppies
F107
Cutlass
HE-111Z
Gigant (ME-321??)
Devastator
P26
P40N
lo...@perth.igs.net
OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
the ugliest?
My list:
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley A-10 Thunderbolt 2 Warthog - I know I'll get
a lot of A-10 Drivers ticked at this one) Bristol Bombay Douglas B-18
(how could you take a beautiful bird like the DC-3 and mess it up so
completely?) Handley Page Harrow Vickers Wellesley (how could something
so ugly lead to the Wellington?) Handley Page Heyford (was Handley Page's
design office on bad drugs in the 30's)? The B-2 (I know its just a
matter of taste) The F-117 (more shit from nighthawk drivers) The Avro
Lincoln (hard to believe they got this mess from the Lancaster)
Agrocat(?) - the crop spraying abortion - I know - it works - but c,mon.
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Jeff Cooper
A-6 Intruder (after all the munitions are expended, you hang around
and ugly the enemy to death)
HE 177
JU 86
Sikorsky Skycrane
Boulton Paul Overstrand (Yes, it's real)
JU 287
Convair XC-99
Jeff C
"We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true."
R. Wilensky
Bob Sikkel
Well guys,
If you want to venture down that path, have fun, but I warn you, it can
only lead to heartbreak and moral degradation! I'll keep track of the
results, but I hereby refuse all responsibility for broken friendships!
For those of you who submitted lists to me (or on the group) and didn't
get a thank you message in return, I've gotten a fair number of
"undeliverable" returns. So, thank you all, and keep 'em coming.
(If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm looking for your choices
of "the 10 most beautiful airplanes of all time")
I've had about 60 responses so far, and when they taper off I'll post
the results here.
Bob Sikkel
David Batt
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote in article <8802023...@dejanews.com>...
> OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> the ugliest?
--
OK, I'll go with this one. How about;
A-10 Warthog (how the name fits!)
F-117
Blackburn Blackburn
Fairey Barracuda
He-219
Hs-129
Me-321/323
Short Stirling
BV-141
Ju-87
That'll start the steam rising in some quarters, I'm sure!
David Batt
"I'm only passing time while the glue dries, honest!"
Dan Salamone
Loire 130. WWII French seaplane. Ugly as sin!! I have the Pond Orielle
resin kit, it's so damn ugly it deserves a diorama!
Dano
Joe Hegedus
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>
> OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> the ugliest?
>
Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey. No other candidates need apply.
Joe
Paolo Pizzi
Ugliest planes? Let's see...
Stirling
Skua
Barracuda
Gannet
Breda 65
Antonov 2
Vigilante
Mig 21
F117
B2
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Ruediger Landmann wrote:
> lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
> : OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> : few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> : the ugliest?
>
> Well, there are physical laws that govern a/c design, which means that
> many of the truly ugly and unorthodox aircraft of history are pretty
> obscure. We pretty much *all* know the beautiful planes, but most of the
> uglies hardly anyone will have heard of. Failures such as the DFW T.28
> Floh, the B.A.T. F.K.24 Baboon, and the Beardmore Inflexible (with
> a ridiculous name only second to the Gloster Gnatsnapper) haven't
> exactly made it in the pages of aviation history. Ditto for one-off
> monstrosities like the Caproni Ca 4 or the Kalinin K-7. Same applies for
> hopelessly misguided designs such as the Airspeed AS.39 Fleet Shadower,
> the Farman F.3x and F.4x, and Fiat's hideous Model 7002.
>
> Furthermore, some types of aircraft, due to their specialised nature, such
> as helicopters and flying boats are seldom going to be as graceful as
> fixed wing landplanes (ducks flames). Similarly, many experimental
> aircraft designed to investigate very specific aerodynamic or control
> parameters. Keeping this in mind, I've deliberately tried to be kind to
> these types of aircraft, as well as to aircraft before about 1920, after
> which they should really have known better.
>
> So, in my books, the 25 ugliest *production* aircraft of all time (not
> necessarily in this order:
>
> Grumman JF/J2F Duck
Yu gottabe kiddin!
The Duck is bootiful!
The rest of your list is mostly British and French, so of course are naturally
ugly.
Bob McKellar
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CJ
There really is only one truly ugly plane.
The Farley Fruitbat.
Nothing even remotely comes close to this in terms of ugliness.
Phil Brandt
Paolo Pizzi wrote:
>
> Ugliest planes? Let's see...
> Vigilante
Vigilante?????? (I said, incredulously.) Geez! This sleek, graceful,
'mean' design couldn't even buy a place on my list of unattractive
airframes.
Phil Brandt
IPMS 14091
Retired WSO
Paolo Pizzi
Ruediger Landmann wrote:
> Ditto for one-off
> monstrosities like the Caproni Ca 4 or the Kalinin K-7.
On the other hand not all one-off monstruosities are
necessary ugly: the Spruce Goose was quite a handsome
bird..ehm...turkey :-)
The Shannons
> > few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> > the ugliest?
>
> OK, I'll go with this one. How about;
>
> A-10 Warthog (how the name fits!)
> F-117
> Blackburn Blackburn
> Fairey Barracuda
> He-219
> Hs-129
> Me-321/323
> Short Stirling
> BV-141
> Ju-87
>
> That'll start the steam rising in some quarters, I'm sure!
>
> David Batt
> "I'm only passing time while the glue dries, honest!"
--
Is everyone passing up the period when ugly was a matter of course?
How about the:
Fe-2b and derivatives
Re-8
Maxim Gorky
Spad A2 (it is hard to believe that anything so beautiful as the Spad 7
could come from the same people who provided this abortion)
AEG-IV
Hannoveranner CL-II and CL-III
Farman Shorthorn
Vickers Gunbus
or even the very first fighter, the Morane type-'L' Parasol
--
This has been Mark and/or Mary Shannon
at Shin...@ix.netcom.com
History manages to get away with cliches no novelist could.
Ruediger Landmann
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
: OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
: few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
: the ugliest?
Well, there are physical laws that govern a/c design, which means that
many of the truly ugly and unorthodox aircraft of history are pretty
obscure. We pretty much *all* know the beautiful planes, but most of the
uglies hardly anyone will have heard of. Failures such as the DFW T.28
Floh, the B.A.T. F.K.24 Baboon, and the Beardmore Inflexible (with
a ridiculous name only second to the Gloster Gnatsnapper) haven't
exactly made it in the pages of aviation history. Ditto for one-off
monstrosities like the Caproni Ca 4 or the Kalinin K-7. Same applies for
hopelessly misguided designs such as the Airspeed AS.39 Fleet Shadower,
the Farman F.3x and F.4x, and Fiat's hideous Model 7002.
Furthermore, some types of aircraft, due to their specialised nature, such
as helicopters and flying boats are seldom going to be as graceful as
fixed wing landplanes (ducks flames). Similarly, many experimental
aircraft designed to investigate very specific aerodynamic or control
parameters. Keeping this in mind, I've deliberately tried to be kind to
these types of aircraft, as well as to aircraft before about 1920, after
which they should really have known better.
So, in my books, the 25 ugliest *production* aircraft of all time (not
necessarily in this order:
LWS 4/6 Zubr
Fairey Gannet (and you should see the Blackburn B-54 that lost out to it
for the production contract!)
Fairey Barracuda
Dewotine D 500
Transavia/Bennet/Waitono PL11/PL12 Airtruk
Short Seamew
Mitsubishi Ki-2
Liore-Nieuport 40
Grumman JF/J2F Duck
Avia B.35
Fairey Henden
Bloch MB200/210
Handley Page HP50 Heyford
Fiat CR32
Boulton Paul P75 Overstrand
Potez 54
Aero A.100
Amiot 143M
ANF Mureaux 113
Blackburn R.1 Blackburn
Bell Model 61
Bregeut 1050 Alize
Bregeut 761 Deux Ponts
Farman F220/221/222
Avro 555 Bison
James A. "Tony" Crews
Here's one that was missed. Though it might be praised as the next
generation of Air Superiority, excuse me, Air Dominance fighters, the
F-22 Raptor (ATF) is definitely an ugly step-sister when compared to the
graceful lines of the F-23 ATF (alas, oh beautiful bird that has no
name, at least that I know of).
Tony Crews
Lompoc CA
RobbelothE
Hey, guys. It's got to be the British Beverly transport. Saw it at the RAF
museum year ago.
Ed Robbeloth
OneZero
>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>the ugliest?
FWIW:
Bratukhin B-11 (well, any of his helicopters)
Breguet 521 Bizerte (ugliest seaplane of 'em all)
Fiesler Fi 167
and winner of ugliest paint scheme ever:
Kalinin K-12/Bs-2 'Firebird'. No wonder Stalin had him arrested ....
<*>
j
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On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:51:03 -0600, lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>the ugliest?
anything British (note to Damien: Yes, there *are* exemptions from the
rule, like Buccaneer, Vulcan, Spitfire, TSR.2 and the V-tail Swift...)
rather the rule:
Armstrong Whitworth Apollo (misproportioned)
Fairey Gannet and competitor Blackburn Y.B.1
Short S.B.3 (Sturgeon with blob-nose)
Short S.B.5 (EE P.1A Lightning prototype only slightly more
attractive)
Saunders Roe P.177
HS Trident (the Ground Gripper, relying solely on the curvature of
earth to attain a posiitive climb gradient on takeoff...)
English Electric P.10 project (apalling ugliness)
Avro 721 "slip-plane" (bizarre Mistel concept)
HS P.139 (AEW egg-plane)
some French?
Sud Ouest SO M.2 (smth. like a misproportioned, fat-assed P-80 with a
totally ridiculous undercarriage)
Soud-Ouest SO 4000 (aaarrrrghhh)
Leduc 0.21 (porcupine)
Potez 75
last but not least...
Hughes XH-17 (Thunderbirds are GO...cumbersome cradle, a real
monstrosity)
American Helicopter XH-26 Jet Jeep (farce helo), very imilar to Fairey
Ultralight
GAF Gafhawk (flying tool-shack)
For a good laugh I'd commend:
Wood, Derek
"Project Cancelled - The Disaster of Britain's Abandoned Aircraft
Projects"
JANE'S, 1986
Well, might have become an even greater disaster if they had been
continued...
my, this is fun
Rama Lama Hoope Da La Weee (Burkhard)
OXMORON1
>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>the ugliest?
>
>
Polish Agri-plane, the Wilga
Lysander with experimental twin tail and turret
U-2 trainer with humped second cockpit
Rick
Weasel
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>the ugliest?
snips...
Hi,
Just my 2 cents, but I think it's useful to distinguish between
uglies:
"Ugly-Cool" vs. "Just Plain Ugly-Ugly".
Some folks have mentioned the Ju-87 Stuka, A-6 Intruder, F-117A, A-10
Warthog, MiG 21. IMHO, these are examples of "Ugly-Cool", cuz they're
ugly but, well, cool. Ugly, but neat-looking. Some might say,
ugly-but-bitchin'-lookin'.
Now you take the Guppy, Osprey, all those dog-ugly American and
British bombers from between-the-wars (and, frankly, most British
bombers, period [but not the Lanc]), most pre-jet French a/c, and,
yes, IMHO, the He-219, now these are all Ugly-Ugly.
I think I'm the only one in this NG who isn't gushing over the Tamiya
He-219; sorry, it's UGLY!!!
FWIW.
Weasel
Charles F Seyferlich
One nice thing about posting our lists of the ugly ten here, is we didnt
have to be in the real thing when real lead was heading it way. Just
think of the guys the Generals sent up in HE-111z's, ME-321's,
Devastator's and Amoit 143's.
One of the Wings scenes that sticks in my mind is the ME-321 with its
nose doors being closed on rows of soldiers sitting in upper deck - no
doubt every one thinking "why me".
SVanaken
Without going into long lists....just about any pre-WWII French aircraft and
the Gannet AEW.
Scott Van Aken IPMS Canada 5729
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OXMORON1
In article <657vq8$3km$1...@nargun.cc.uq.edu.au>, s30...@student.uq.edu.au
(Ruediger Landmann) writes:
>Fairey Barracuda
>Handley Page HP50 Heyford
>Fiat CR32
>Boulton Paul P75 Overstrand
>Blackburn R.1 Blackburn
Some Snippage..
Heretic! Who do you think you are? Jennings?
Oxmoron1
OXMORON1
In article <34776451...@earthlink.net>, Paolo Pizzi
<timee...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Ugliest planes? Let's see...
>
>Stirling
>Barracuda
>Gannet
>Antonov 2
>Mig 21
Double Heretic!
Oxmoron1
Bessettr
Fairey Barracuda, hands down. Hard to tell it's even an airplane.
The Hecksel's
Sorry, I can't agree. Airplanes, like women are all beautiful. Some
are just more beautiful than others.
Warren
>
> LWS 4/6 Zubr
> Fairey Gannet (and you should see the Blackburn B-54 that lost out to it
> for the production contract!)
> Fairey Barracuda
> Dewotine D 500
> Transavia/Bennet/Waitono PL11/PL12 Airtruk
> Short Seamew
> Mitsubishi Ki-2
> Liore-Nieuport 40
> Grumman JF/J2F Duck
> Avia B.35
> Fairey Henden
> Bloch MB200/210
> Handley Page HP50 Heyford
> Fiat CR32
> Boulton Paul P75 Overstrand
Steven Taylor
Aircobra, gotta be
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WSchurr
Vigilante and F-107...ugly? C'mon, there's some uglier stuff than that out
there!
David Fielding
Tony,
I agree, the F-22 is awkward-looking at best. And I believe the F-23 is
being called the Lightning II, after another pretty twin fighter in the
family history.
- David Fielding
David Fielding
Ruediger,
I agree on your point that engineering leads to some strange-looking
solutions which work well. I like some of the stranger ones myself, such as
the Antonov An-2 and the Fieseler Storch.
But you've hit on something else - whatever their engineering and aesthetic
skills, the British have reached both the heights and depths when it comes
to NAMING airplanes. You mentioned a few of the strange ones; they did some
of their finest work on American planes. Mustang, Lightning, Catalina and
Tomahawk all came from British purchases, to cite a few.
The only offering I can make for the ugly airplane list; the "Baka" and
other flying suicide bombs. Not for their appearance or performance. Just
for the fact of their existence - chilling.
- David Fielding
Mark Schynert
For the sake of international equanimity, ugliest production a/c by
country (and I will list the French first):
(France) Amiot 143
(Poland) LWS 4 Zubr
(Germany) Me 323
(Japan) K11W
(Italy) Piaggio P.32
(Great Britain) Short Seamew
(Soviet Union/Russia) Yak-15
(United States) B-24J
(Netherlands) Fokker T.IV
(Finland) VL Myrsky
Mark Schynert
George Dragicevic
On 23 Nov 1997 21:46:31 GMT, svan...@aol.com (SVanaken) wrote:
>Without going into long lists....just about any pre-WWII French aircraft and
>the Gannet AEW.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that...I find the Gannet
quite beautiful in it's own way. Now planes like the Blackburn Skua
and Fairey Barracuda are certainly ugly.
regards,
George Dragicevic
Melbourne PC User Group
Alan E & Carmel J Brain
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>
> OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> the ugliest?
- You have to see this to believe it
Blackburn Blackburn
- Makes the Seagull and Walrus look clean and svelte
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I like the plane, but the British Victor K2 Tanker painted in that tannish
concrete color is quite an eyesore at an Airshow. That big pointy nose can
stand out in any crowd. The Vulcan was a much slicker looking plane from the
same era.
David Batt
Is it true that what _should_ have been called the Lightning II has
actually been dubbed the *Raptor* by some parties who should spend less
time in cinemas? What a shame - I'd kinda hoped the EFA might have
followed this trend and been dubbed the Tempest II. (It'd fit with the
Tonado, wouldn't it?!)
--
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David Fielding <dfi...@epix.net> wrote in article
<01bcf896$5f5aa490$6af6eecd@fielding>...
> Tony,
jmcl...@gbtech.net
In article <01bcf896$5f5aa490$6af6eecd@fielding>,> I agree, the F-22 is awkward-looking at best. And I believe the F-23 is
> being called the Lightning II, after another pretty twin fighter in the
> family history.
>
> - David Fielding
F-22 was to be called Lightning II but is now Raptor. Stupid name for
ugly airplane. Isn't the F-22 the crate they ship F-15s in? The YF-23
might have been the Black Widow II -- some photos of the underside of the
darker one show a red hourglass marking...
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I think the ugliest aircraft of all time have to be:
Blackburn Blackburd
Fairey Flycatcher
Vickers Wildebeast
Blackburn Roc
*most* French bombers of WWII
Martin B10
Convair B36
Ju87 (ugly but in a classy way)
A10 Warthog
Blohm and Voss asymmetrical observation plane (#?)
And the list goes on; there's plenty of ugly to go around!
Rick DeNatale
In article <347747...@izzy.net>, Dan Salamone <da...@izzy.net> wrote:
>Loire 130. WWII French seaplane. Ugly as sin!! I have the Pond Orielle
>resin kit, it's so damn ugly it deserves a diorama!
Dan,
Just out of curiosity, did your kit come with decals? I won a copy of
this kit as a raffle prize and it came with a package insert saying that
the decals weren't ready as yet, and to contact the manufacturer. Some
time later I got a package with the struts, a second identical sheet of
photo-etch, but no decals.
--
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still looking for a cool signature
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Dwomby
OK, I resisted the temptation on the 'most beatiful' contest but I have to have
a go here:
Short Sturgeon SB3. (Original Sturgeon was quite attractive but the chin on
this version is revolting).
David Womby
john....@schwab.com
In article <8802023...@dejanews.com>,
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>
> OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
> few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
> the ugliest?
>
I'll admit to finding some beauty in just about anything that flies,
but every now and then, something comes along that makes me do a
doubletake.
PZL Wilga - Looks like a corugated aluminum dragonfly
Short Skyvan - Shoebox with wings
Fairey Swordfish - Looks like a Fairey Swordfish
John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)
Andrew McKenzie Egan
In article <19971123214...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
svan...@aol.com (SVanaken) wrote:
>Without going into long lists....just about any pre-WWII French aircraft and
>the Gannet AEW.
>
>Scott Van Aken IPMS Canada 5729
>
>Now, back to reality: which is already in progress--Firesign Theater
>kit reviews and photos at http://members.aol.com/svanaken/index.htm
>New items added weekly
What about the Gee-Bees, Polikarpov, P-47, Brewster Buffalo, Vultee Vibrator and Brit planes are
ugly
I can resist anything, except temptation
Darren Pauly
Phil Brandt wrote:
>
> Paolo Pizzi wrote:
> >
> > Ugliest planes? Let's see...
>
>
> Vigilante?????? (I said, incredulously.) Geez! This sleek, graceful,
> 'mean' design couldn't even buy a place on my list of unattractive
> airframes.
>
> Phil Brandt
> IPMS 14091
> Retired WSO
The British came up with two of the ugliest aircraft of all-time- The
Gloster Javelin and the Blackburn Buccaneer. Also, the French Alize is
a goofy looking bird!
William H. Shuey
Evan Burton wrote:
>
> I think the the French have a particular knack at making ugly aircraft
> (with the exception of the Mirage). Some of my "ugly" list include:
>
> Sud-Ouest ESPADON
> Sud-Est SE2410 GROGNARD (what a name!)
> Breguet 960 VULTUR
> Sud-Ouest SO9000 TRIDENT
> Leduc 0.10/0.16/0.21/0.22 series
> Potez 75
> Sud-Est SE5000/5003 BAROUDEUR
> Breguet 940 INTEGRAL
> Sud-Aviation SE116/117 VOLTIGEUR
> Morane-Saulnier MS1500 EPERVIER
>
> --
> Evan Burton
> evanN...@cairns.net.au
> (Remove the NOSPAM from address to reply)
> http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/7881
> ICQ2174011
Hey Evan:
Have you ever looked at some of the aircraft the French built
back in the 20/30s?? They make most of your list look good.
Bill Shuey
Stephen Tontoni
I don't really know what happened to my posting earlier of ugliest. Maybe
it'll show in a slightly different thread; I was in a hurry.
Ugliest had to be:
Blackburn Blackburd
Vickers Wildebeast
Fairey Flycatcher
Fairey Gannet (later used in "Thunderbirds"?)
*almost any* French pre-war/WWII bomber
B&V something -- assymetrical observation plane
Martin B10
Convair B36
Surprisingly, the Soviets have hammered together very few really ugly
aircraft (the IL2 possibly in the lead there) while the Brits have made a
specialty out of butt-ugly planes. US tends for the pretty as does Italy.
(says nothing of performance)
Stephen Tontoni
Seattle, Washington
ton...@halcyon.com
Stephen Tontoni
In article <19971125000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jno...@aol.com
(Jnoack) wrote:
> How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
> your stuff? Have at it!
Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
Stephen Tontoni
In article <65dgvh$a...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
GNOC...@worldnet.att.net (George Nock) wrote:
> I would like you to say that again when looking down the barrel of a
> 120
Hey, I'm a plane guy. You know what most plane guys call vehicles that have
wheels that keep touching the ground!!
Charles F Seyferlich
Targets?
james_b
In article , GNOC...@worldnet.att.net says...
>
>ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>
>>In article <19971125000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jno...@aol.com
>>(Jnoack) wrote:
>>
>>>How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
>>> your stuff? Have at it!
>>
>>Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
>>
>>Stephen Tontoni
>>Seattle, Washington
>>ton...@halcyon.com
To a mud sloggin', earthbound armour type, an ugly airplane is the one with
the muzzle blasts flashing and the chunk of trouble falling off the bottom....
Hey! No fair! Stinger missles!
Jnoack
How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
your stuff? Have at it!
IPMS 23017
President, IPMS/USA
Ken Koller
F8U-3 Crusader III comes to mind.
Evan Burton
George Nock
ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>In article <19971125000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jno...@aol.com
>(Jnoack) wrote:
>
>> How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
>> your stuff? Have at it!
>
>Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
>
>Stephen Tontoni
>Seattle, Washington
>ton...@halcyon.com
Greg Reynolds
It's amusing to see some of the same aircraft appear on this "Ugly"
list that appeared on the "Beautiful" list a few days ago!
How did we get so many posts and no mention of the Farman Jabiru?
Go look that one up and stop picking on the Grumman Duck.
Greg Reynolds, IPMS 4059
Ruediger Landmann
FWIW: I think the most beautiful cars ever were the Karmann Ghias (Type I,
II, but NOT III!) and the early Porsche 356s... Most Jaguars are pretty
nice, too.
Eric Zehnbauer
George Nock wrote:
>
> ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>
> >In article <19971125000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jno...@aol.com
> >(Jnoack) wrote:
> >
> >> How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
> >> your stuff? Have at it!
> >
> >Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
I've got just one thing to say: AMC Pacer.
'nuff said,
Eric Zehnbauer
phone: (314)-770-2864
fax: (314)-770-0725
email: zehn...@stl.autometric.com
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Remove "nospam" from address to respond
OXMORON1
Darren Pauly noted:
>The British came up with two of the ugliest aircraft of all-time- >The
Gloster Javelin and the Blackburn Buccaneer. Also, the >French Alize is a
goofy looking bird!
The Buc may be homely, but it is not ugly.
Fine example of Butt Ugly modification to an A/C is the B-57G, Now they reallly
screwed the pooch on bueaty then!
Peter Wisniewski
Eric Zehnbauer wrote:
>
> George Nock wrote:
> >
> > ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
> >
> > >In article <19971125000...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, jno...@aol.com
> > >(Jnoack) wrote:
> > >
> > >> How come none of youse treadheads and car nuts have started a similar list for
> > >> your stuff? Have at it!
> > >
> > >Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I've got just one thing to say: AMC Pacer.
>
> 'nuff said,
>
> Eric Zehnbauer
>
There are however, some real ugly beasts in Europe (how about that
Messershmit car circa WWII) especially some of those eastern european
makes.
Peteski
Jeff Cooper
>I would like you to say that again when looking down the barrel of a
>120
I have. It just echoes!
Jeff C
"We have all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million
typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare.
Now, thanks to the internet, we know this is not true."
R. Wilensky
Jon Stilwell
Burkhard & Birgit Domke wrote in message
<34784982...@news.b.shuttle.de>...
>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:51:03 -0600, lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>
>>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>>the ugliest?
>
>anything British (note to Damien: Yes, there *are* exemptions from the
>rule, like Buccaneer, Vulcan, Spitfire, TSR.2 and the V-tail Swift...)
>
>rather the rule:
>
>Armstrong Whitworth Apollo (misproportioned)
>Fairey Gannet and competitor Blackburn Y.B.1
>Short S.B.3 (Sturgeon with blob-nose)
>Short S.B.5 (EE P.1A Lightning prototype only slightly more
>attractive)
>Saunders Roe P.177
>HS Trident (the Ground Gripper, relying solely on the curvature of
>earth to attain a posiitive climb gradient on takeoff...)
>English Electric P.10 project (apalling ugliness)
>Avro 721 "slip-plane" (bizarre Mistel concept)
>HS P.139 (AEW egg-plane)
>
But remember, we did have the good taste (and usually good sense) to cancel
a lot of the above: only the Gannet
and the Trident went into production. I would argue with the EE P.10: it
does look a little eccentric, but the question
in my mind is could it have worked? Oh, and you missed the Hunting Percival
P.74 helicopter (styling inspired by
an egg), and the Rotodyne (a shed with rotors).
>For a good laugh I'd commend:
>
>Wood, Derek
>"Project Cancelled - The Disaster of Britain's Abandoned Aircraft
>Projects"
>JANE'S, 1986
>
A good cry if you're from the UK...
>Well, might have become an even greater disaster if they had been
>continued...
What, like the Miles M.52, a supersonic aircraft well before the X-1, the
P.1081; a Hawker Sea Hawk development that
would have meant that Fighter Command wouldn't have had to intercept
Canberras with Meteors, the Saunders Roe P.177
(Mach 1.6 at 60,000ft five minutes after takeoff); the Fairey FD.2
development (FD.2 being the first aeroplane to hold the
air speed record over 1000 mph); the Vickers V.1000 (serious competition for
the Boeing 707), and the TSR.2.
Having said that, it was a good job the jumping jeeps were cancelled.
>
>my, this is fun
Just out of interest, where did you get hold of a copy of Project Cancelled?
>Rama Lama Hoope Da La Weee (Burkhard)
Jon.
ModelerAl
In article <tontoni-24...@blv-pm109-ip1.halcyon.com>,
ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) writes:
>Cuz with cars, they're all purty and with armor, its all butt-ugly.
Nah. Nothing's uglier than a Trabant, and nothing's meaner-looking than
an Abrams...
Al Superczynski
IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968
Check out my disposal list when you visit me at
"Al's Place" : http://users.aol.com/modeleral
"Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to,
and the critics will flame you every time."
William Just
a type II kg? now THAT would be something! a kg BUS!!!
and i think youre crazy about not liking the type 3 kg. cool car. and a
beauty too. but then again i think about THE most beautiful production car
has to be the citreon ds25, esp black with red sunroof.
gotta agree on the 356's though...
--
one love
rasta4I
jah bill
Andrew McKenzie Egan
In article <tontoni-24...@blv-pm109-ip1.halcyon.com>,
ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>Stephen Tontoni
>Seattle, Washington
>ton...@halcyon.com
I like the IL2, and the PE2 YAK series WWII fighters and LAGG9. Spitfire, Mossy and Hunter
ugly, have you seen a P47, F6F or Buffalo. Get Real. Then look at the SM79, Fiat CR32 or
G50. Every nation has its crop of uglies, The designer is more important than nationality. I
think we have different tastes and to be honest a degree of national chauvanism
TGS1000
My vote is for the F-22....dang is that thing just flat ugly. too bad the F-23
lost, much better looking bird.
Tom Smithdeal
Decatur, GA
sha...@nospam.com
In article <19971126012...@wn18-009.paris.worldnet.fr>,
Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>You should better take a look at some more recent british acs : Harrier,
>Vulcan, Canberra, and the worst : the Nimrod !!!
Wait a minute! I think the Vulcan, the Canberra and the Nimrod (Mk II)
are quite pretty! (No comment on the Harrier.) For ugly British airplanes,
I nominate the Bristol Buccaneer. Perhaps the Vickers Valiant also.
(The Mk III Nimrod with the nose and tail radomes does look rather ugly.)
-s
Shamim Mohamed
spm @
crl. com
WSchurr
C'mon Phil,
The Javy and Buc were ugly in the same sense that the F4 and A6 were ugly-more
brutish than ugly. I've been buid'n the Dynavector Javy. When you study this
airplane it becomes attractive in the same manner as the Demon or something
like that.
Bill
eligible to retire Reserve maintenance officer
Etienne Le Chevalier
William H. Shuey <whs...@erols.com> wrote:
> Evan Burton wrote:
> >
> > I think the the French have a particular knack at making ugly aircraft
> > (with the exception of the Mirage). Some of my "ugly" list include:
> >
> > Sud-Ouest ESPADON
> > Sud-Est SE2410 GROGNARD (what a name!)
Grognard is the nickname Napoleon gave to the soldiers of his "Old
Guard" ;-)
> > Breguet 960 VULTUR
Please use the correct french name "Vautour". Should I say F-15 Aigle,
or F-14 Tom-le-chat ? It would sound ridiculous to us !
> > Sud-Ouest SO9000 TRIDENT
> > Leduc 0.10/0.16/0.21/0.22 series
> > Potez 75
> > Sud-Est SE5000/5003 BAROUDEUR
> > Breguet 940 INTEGRAL
> > Sud-Aviation SE116/117 VOLTIGEUR
> > Morane-Saulnier MS1500 EPERVIER
>
> Hey Evan:
> Have you ever looked at some of the aircraft the French built
> back in the 20/30s?? They make most of your list look good.
Hey guys, aren't you fed up with speaking about aircrafts outdated since
long ?
Most of the planes you are listing here were totally unknown from the
french people of these times. The Leducs were in the 50's because they
were the first RamJets in the world. But they are an exception.
Better remember the deadly Vampires or Mystere IV (Suez 56 and six-days
war 67)
The french aeronautic constructors were very prolific before the 60's.
Between 1914 and 1939, they were world recordmen for the number of
aircrafts produced and the number of types (thus, some squadrons changed
their name 10 times during WWI because they used the name of the plane,
like Spa-3).
After 45 (the times you are speaking about) they continued to be so
prolific ;-)
George Nock
Kekker1
>Is it true that what _should_ have been called the Lightning II has
>actually been dubbed the *Raptor* by some parties who should spend less
>time in cinemas?
Wee-eelll.... ac-tually "raptor" refers to birds of prey, like hawks and
eagles. The term was borrowed by the paleontologists since the dinosaur was
such a meanie.
So, it really IS aeronautical! It's just that since the movie the only thing
people associate with the term is the dino...
Kev - who just knew that bio degree would come in handy on R.M.S. someday!
Tamela R. Germano
Ruediger Landmann wrote:
>
> Well, there are physical laws that govern a/c design, which means that
> many of the truly ugly and unorthodox aircraft of history are pretty
> obscure. We pretty much *all* know the beautiful planes, but most of the
> uglies hardly anyone will have heard of. Failures such as the DFW T.28
> Floh, the B.A.T. F.K.24 Baboon, and the Beardmore Inflexible (with
> a ridiculous name only second to the Gloster Gnatsnapper) haven't
> exactly made it in the pages of aviation history. Ditto for one-off
> monstrosities like the Caproni Ca 4 or the Kalinin K-7. Same applies for
> hopelessly misguided designs such as the Airspeed AS.39 Fleet Shadower,
> the Farman F.3x and F.4x, and Fiat's hideous Model 7002.
>
> Furthermore, some types of aircraft, due to their specialised nature, such
> as helicopters and flying boats are seldom going to be as graceful as
> fixed wing landplanes (ducks flames). Similarly, many experimental
> aircraft designed to investigate very specific aerodynamic or control
> parameters. Keeping this in mind, I've deliberately tried to be kind to
> these types of aircraft, as well as to aircraft before about 1920, after
> which they should really have known better.
>
> So, in my books, the 25 ugliest *production* aircraft of all time (not
> necessarily in this order:
> LWS 4/6 Zubr
A bunch deleted
> Fiat CR32
!!!!! What do you mean?!! The C.R.32 is an Art Deco flying dream.
If I ever get an old Ranger air-cooled V-12 or one of the new Falconer
(sp?) V-12 aircraft engines for free that is the bird I would build. Think
of an Early to mid 30's air war, CR32's vs P-26's, with the nice Brit
Hawker and German Heinkle biplanes too.
But then I like the looks of the Macchi MC 200 too. :-)
Dino in Reno
Burkhard Domke
>
>Burkhard & Birgit Domke wrote in message
><34784982...@news.b.shuttle.de>...
>>On Sat, 22 Nov 1997 06:51:03 -0600, lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>>For a good laugh I'd commend:
>>
>>Wood, Derek
>>"Project Cancelled - The Disaster of Britain's Abandoned Aircraft
>>Projects"
>>JANE'S, 1986
>
>Just out of interest, where did you get hold of a copy of Project Cancelled?
got it from the second hand or bargain catalogue (don't remember which
one) of
Midland Counties Publications
Unit 3 Maizefield, Hinckley Fields, Hinckley, LE10 1YF
UK
Phone +44 1455 233747
Fax +44 1455 233737
e-mail 10637...@compuserve.com
Regards
Burkhard
Q: What's the conversion rate between USD, UK Pound and Polish Zloty?
A: One Dollar equals one pound Zloties...
BucholtzC
Etienne Le Chevalier wrote:
"You should better take a look at some more recent british acs : Harrier,
Vulcan, Canberra, and the worst : the Nimrod !!!"
Only a Frenchman could think the Vulcan or the Canberra was ugly!!
--Chris Bucholtz
Leif Hellström
lo...@perth.igs.net wrote:
>OK so we've all put in our lists of the most beautiful (surprised at how
>few people thought the Spitfire was even in the running!) - now how about
>the ugliest?
(Snip)
Although I have the deepest respect for French 1930s products when it
comes to ugly aircraft, and while agreeing that the Blackburn
Blackburn has its merits, I'm afraid they simply cannot compete with
the worst turkey ever, the Transavia Airtruk. If anyone has by chance
missed this one, you'll find a photo at:
http://www.nasma.com/mam/p18.html
I challenge anyone to find a worse-looking flying contraption anywhere
(I hesitate to call it an aircraft).
/Leif
------------------------------------------------------
"I'd never join a club that would have me as a member"
- Groucho Marx
Raven
Man they just don't come any uglier than the Blackburn Blackburn. this
thing was soooo ugly the air would part in front of it so that it wouldn't
have to touch it.
They didn't just hit this bird with the "Ugly stick" they built 3 of them
right on into the airframe.
Brett
Indrek Aavisto
sha...@noSpam.com wrote:
> In article <19971126012...@wn18-009.paris.worldnet.fr>,
> Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>
> >You should better take a look at some more recent british acs :
> Harrier,
> >Vulcan, Canberra, and the worst : the Nimrod !!!
>
> Wait a minute! I think the Vulcan, the Canberra and the Nimrod (Mk II)
>
> are quite pretty! (No comment on the Harrier.) For ugly British
> airplanes,
> I nominate the Bristol Buccaneer. Perhaps the Vickers Valiant also.
>
> (The Mk III Nimrod with the nose and tail radomes does look rather
> ugly.)
>
> -s
>
> Shamim Mohamed
> spm @
> crl. com
I agree that the Vulcan belongs in the most beautiful list rather
than in the ugliest.
A small quibble; I think Blackburn made the Buccaneer, not Bristol.
Cheers from the frozen North.
Etienne Le Chevalier
Indrek Aavisto <aav...@cyberbeach.net> wrote:
> sha...@noSpam.com wrote:
>
> > In article <19971126012...@wn18-009.paris.worldnet.fr>,
> > Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
> >
> > >You should better take a look at some more recent british acs :
> > Harrier,
> > >Vulcan, Canberra, and the worst : the Nimrod !!!
> >
> > Wait a minute! I think the Vulcan, the Canberra and the Nimrod (Mk II)
I was speaking about the Nimrod with the refueling probe over the nose;
don't know exactly the Mk number... Take a look at a C160 Transall-NG
and you will see how a cargo can be more beautiful with such a probe
that without one.
> > are quite pretty! (No comment on the Harrier.) For ugly British
> > airplanes,
> > I nominate the Bristol Buccaneer. Perhaps the Vickers Valiant also.
> >
> > (The Mk III Nimrod with the nose and tail radomes does look rather
> > ugly.)
> >
> > -s
> >
> > Shamim Mohamed
> > spm @
> > crl. com
>
> I agree that the Vulcan belongs in the most beautiful list rather
> than in the ugliest.
In fact, I think that the Vulcan can be definately beautiful if it
doesn't wear this horrible grey camouflage scheme that the RAF is using
since the Spit MkXIV.
As for the Canberra or Nimrod... eeerk !
Btw, I LOVE a british AC : the Concorde. That is IMHO the most beautiful
plane I've seen since the Spit MkIX. But I'm afraid to say it is half
french too, and Delta wings are "typical french design", isn't it ?;-)
As for US ACs my favorite ones are the F4U-Corsair and F4-Phantom.
Gord Beaman
Indrek Aavisto <aav...@cyberbeach.net> wrote:
--cut--
>
> I agree that the Vulcan belongs in the most beautiful list rather
>than in the ugliest.
>
--
Gord Beaman
PEI, Canada,
VE1EO.
Jim Spraner
Well - when you're right, you're right. My God, that's ugly...
Charles Metz
Leif Hellström wrote:
> Although I have the deepest respect for French 1930s
> products when it comes to ugly aircraft, and while
> agreeing that the Blackburn Blackburn has its merits, I'm
> afraid they simply cannot compete with the worst turkey
> ever, the Transavia Airtruk. If anyone has by chance
> missed this one, you'll find a photo at:
>
> http://www.nasma.com/mam/p18.html
>
> I challenge anyone to find a worse-looking flying
> contraption anywhere (I hesitate to call it an aircraft).
Good Lord -- that photo should be accompanied by a Surgeon General's
Warning!!
I think we have a winner, folks ...
Charles Metz
David Fielding
Whew...that's ugly.
Let this be a lesson; "Don't drink and design airplanes."
Actually, I remember a TV clip about this plane. The odd boom arrangement
was supposedly ideal for dispersing the crop-dusting chemicals in a wide,
even pattern. Why the fuselage is shaped like a trigger fish, I have no
idea.
- David Fielding
james_b
In article , prog...@teleport.com says...
>
>Steve
>
It wasn't the boom arrangement, it was the vortices at the wing and winglet
tips....
James
andreew
How about that hammerhead thingY?
THe fixedwing/chopper hybrid?
now, that's ugly...
Steve Kennedy
Jukka Raustia
Indrek Aavisto (aav...@cyberbeach.net) wrote:
: I agree that the Vulcan belongs in the most beautiful list rather
: than in the ugliest.
: A small quibble; I think Blackburn made the Buccaneer, not Bristol.
If talking about about ugly modern british aircrafts, how can
anyone dismiss Royal Air Force's Hercules specially equipped
for meteorlogical studies. You simply can't get uglier than that!
Sorry, I don't know version number, but I've seen the plane
by myself 2 times. It comes here to Northern Finland to study
arctic athmosphere phenomena every year or two.
Cheers!
--
Jukka Raustia, su...@kastelli.edu.ouka.fi, Sailing, Scouting, Telemark
Alan E & Carmel J Brain
Jon Stilwell wrote:
> >For a good laugh I'd commend:
> >
> >Wood, Derek
> >"Project Cancelled - The Disaster of Britain's Abandoned Aircraft
> >Projects"
> >JANE'S, 1986
>
> A good cry if you're from the UK...
>
> >Well, might have become an even greater disaster if they had been
> >continued...
>
> What, like the Miles M.52, a supersonic aircraft well before the X-1,
For details, see:
http://www.prole.demon.co.uk/m52.htm
I know that there was once a Vacuform model of an M52. Anyone out there
have any more details? BTW My father was the aerodynamicist for the
wings in 44-45.
One interesting aircraft is the "Gillette Falcon", a Bf-108-like
sporting monoplane (Miles Falcon) used to test the wings - which were
ultra thin and razor sharp, an idea later used on the F-104.
The Cognoscenti will recognise the distinctive notched Ogival wing
planform later used on many hypersonic SAMs in the 50s and 60s. (Tartar
comes to mind).
Finally, in late 45 and early 46 the entire calculations, tech drawings,
even the analogue computers Miles had invented to do the stress
calculations, were confiscated, stowed away in tea chests, and sent to
the Bell Aircraft Company, USA. OTOH the (basically bankrupt) British
Government got a VERY sizeable low-interest loan in return...
--
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| Alan & Carmel Brain| xxxxx Improve his shining tail?
| Canberra Australia | xxxxxHxHxxxxxx _MMMMMMMMM_MMMMMMMMM
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By pulling MAERKLIN Wagons, in 1/220 Scale
Stephen Tontoni
In article <65fi6p$7g$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Andrew McKenzie Egan
<ae...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote:
I agree regarding the Spitfire, Mosquito and so forth. They were on my list
of most beautiful along with a couple other DH's (DH 91 Albatross and DH88
Comet). So I never said that *all* British aircraft are ugly; they made
some of the most beautiful around.
And yeah, taste is important; my list is pretty devoid of jets because I
don't know too much about them. And I tend to like brutish design so I like
most Grumman stuff. I also agree that there is a certain amount of
nationalism involved here but I don't think its that much of a factor.
Stephen Tontoni
In article <tamela-2511...@red-monkey.sparks.nv.us>,
tam...@pyramid.cs.unr.edu (Tamela R. Germano) wrote:
> Ruediger Landmann wrote:
>
>
> > LWS 4/6 Zubr
> A bunch deleted
> > Fiat CR32
> !!!!! What do you mean?!! The C.R.32 is an Art Deco flying dream.
> If I ever get an old Ranger air-cooled V-12 or one of the new Falconer
> (sp?) V-12 aircraft engines for free that is the bird I would build. Think
> of an Early to mid 30's air war, CR32's vs P-26's, with the nice Brit
> Hawker and German Heinkle biplanes too.
> But then I like the looks of the Macchi MC 200 too. :-)
>
Hmmmmm... I don't know if CR32's against P26's would be quite fair. Might
be interesting with Hawker Harts, but with the P26 on one side, I'd think
that we'd need CR42's on the other.
And you gotta *LOVE* those Fiats!
Jeffery S. Harrison
Naw, none of those even com close to the Gannet AEW (not even the French
one ;) ).
Jeff
IPMS something or other
<snipped>
> What about the Gee-Bees, Polikarpov, P-47, Brewster Buffalo, Vultee
Vibrator and Brit planes are
> ugly
D3Eubanks
In article <347AE0...@stl.autometric.com>, Eric Zehnbauer
<zehn...@stl.autometric.com> writes:
>I've got just one thing to say: AMC Pacer.
'nuff said,
Hiya!! Ugly Car Man here!! I LIKE Ugly Cars!!!
Pacer is the best you can do? <chuckle ... snort ... giggle!!>
Here's a starter list. If anyone wants to be offended ... um ... well ...keep
in mind that I LIKE these things ... mostly cuz they's UGLY!!
Already mentioned in another post is the Messerschmitt KR-200, although
I think it's cute (in an insectoid sort of way).
The BMW Isetta ... there's an odd looking little thing. Kinda looks like a
front-loading washing machine.
Nobody has mentioned the Edsel (long considered by the rest of the world
to be ugly enough to bury ... DEEPLY) I, personally, don't think they are
unattractive, but that's me. ;-)
Those who think the Edsel is ugly have never taken a real close look at the
1959 Lincoln. What with its canted cats'-eye headlights and all ...
The darling of the Chevy world, the 1959, ranks as fairly odd looking in my
book. The press in 1959 even described it in less that complimentary terms.
The FIAT A112 (lately seen as the Yugo) ... that's a fairly plain (some would
say "ugly") piece of sheet metal.
1959 Renault Dauphine is not exactly a thing of beauty.
I could go on and on ...
My vote for UGLY (all capitals, please) goes to the Citroen 2CV. Really
FLAT slab sides, corrugated metal construction ... looks like a quonset
hut on wheels. Put some tractor headlights out front and there you go!!
Dean
So much time and so little to do .....
JMChladek
>F8U-3 Crusader III comes to mind.
>
>
I don't know about that, considering the raw performance of the Crusader III, I
can live with a few goofy features like a big jutting air intake. The Crusader
III had such potential, that the only reason why it never made it to mach 3 was
its windscreen wasn't rated for the temperatures at that speed. The program
was cancelled before Vought could install the thicker windshield.
Matt Clonfero
Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>Btw, I LOVE a british AC : the Concorde. That is IMHO the most beautiful
>plane I've seen since the Spit MkIX. But I'm afraid to say it is half
>french too, and Delta wings are "typical french design", isn't it ?;-)
Ha! A British aircraft with a French name. Surely you've seen the
comparative pics of the Bristol Aircraft design (looks like Concorde)
and the French effort (doesn't) prior to the imposed jointness.
Aetherem Vincere
Matt.
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The Shannons
Most of you are sticking with street legal, but in my opinion, ugly was
personified in cars by most of the Formula and Indy racing cars of the
1969-1978 or so period.
Bulbous noses that looked like a skate or ray got hit and stuck there,
naked engines with tacked on airboxes flat sided like billboards, wings
up on goalposts or tripods, lumps, bumps, tank-like cockpit enclosures
that look like the the cupola on a self-propelled gun, bulged sides, and
stances that looked like a cat with its back up.
Tyrell 002-006, Lotus 49 with wings, Brabham Repcos, Shadows, and
especially the Matra MS-10 and 11 -- we are talking ugly things here.
Some of them still had the nose cowling truncated back for Monaco and
looked like a bass lying on the bottom of the boat.
Ah, such esthetics.
Of course, there were some pretty cars -- like the Ferrari 312T - T3
(the T-4 and 5 were more interesting than pretty), the McLaren M23, the
Lotus 72, 78, and 79, and such, but this was also the era of things like
the March 701 with a round nose under a center-supported wing that
looked like someone had stolen it from an F-104 and just stuck it on
there as an afterthought.
The introduction of the ground effects cars started changing things, but
there were still some rather 'unusual' looks in the eighties (though MY
favorite of the spoiler-influenced designs is the Williams FW-11 -- a
well balanced look, if a little truncated-looking in profile)
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In article <1997112622...@wn18-059.paris.worldnet.fr>,
e-l...@worldnet.fr (Etienne Le Chevalier) wrote:
> As for the Canberra or Nimrod... eeerk !
Nimrod, maybe. The Canberra/B-57 types were fairly attractive.
> Btw, I LOVE a british AC : the Concorde. That is IMHO the most beautiful
> plane I've seen since the Spit MkIX. But I'm afraid to say it is half
> french too, and Delta wings are "typical french design", isn't it ?;-)
The Concorde doesn't stricly use a delta wing (something <mumble> ogive
form?), like the Dassault Mirage's. IIRC, the delta form for jets came out
of Lippisch's(?) work, which would make them German.
Paul Owen
Matt Clonfero <Ma...@aetherem.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<PDEWkkAy...@aetherem.demon.co.uk>...
> Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote:
>
> >Btw, I LOVE a british AC : the Concorde. That is IMHO the most beautiful
> >plane I've seen since the Spit MkIX. But I'm afraid to say it is half
> >french too, and Delta wings are "typical french design", isn't it ?;-)
>
> Ha! A British aircraft with a French name. Surely you've seen the
> comparative pics of the Bristol Aircraft design (looks like Concorde)
> and the French effort (doesn't) prior to the imposed jointness.
If not .. I can scan in a pictoral timeline of the Concorde development
(from a newspaper science annual from the time), from 1956 first studies of
triangular wings, through Handley Page's proposal, onto BAC's design
concept in 1961 (looks very much like Concorde already), and finally the
Bristol T-221 (ex Fairey D-2 according to this?) which looks very much like
the familiar Concorde design. As you say Matt, let alone the universal
jointing system.
swinburn
here is my list of uglies.
1) F-22
It is a good plane, but I just don't like how it looks.
2)P-51-d.
most of you will probably kill me for this.
3)Me 109.
(same as f-22)
4) P-43
5)Brewster Buffalo
NO CONTEST!!!.
6)single seat Sturmovik
Etienne Le Chevalier
Paul Owen <NOS...@netcomuk.co.UK> wrote:
Hey guys it was only a joke ;-)
I was very young at the times you are speaking about, and I don't have
any access to those fabulous documents. I whish I could :-)
What I love with the brits is that they always react instanteanously
when it deals with their nation's superiority, or with any form of
compareason with their european neighboors ;-)
We have to come back to reality : both UK and France don't rule the
world any more since 1939 :-(
humm...lets joke... how is the british aerospace industry going ? And
the british car manufacturing industry ? Ok, ok, don't flame, we have
our problems too ;-) . e.g. with the Giat, our tank manufacturer...
Epic
e-l...@worldnet.fr (Etienne Le Chevalier) wrote:
>In fact, I think that the Vulcan can be definately beautiful if it
>doesn't wear this horrible grey camouflage scheme that the RAF is using
>since the Spit MkXIV.
We are talking about the planes not the colour scheme. To be honest a
black and yellow colour scheme would look better but it does not
change what the plane looks like structually.
Epic
F-117 definately (for modern planes) The Nimrod with nose and tail
radars comes second.
For older planes the Fw-189 and that German recon plane (sorry, don't
know the name) which has the engine on one side and the cockpit on the
other.
JMChladek
>For ugly British airplanes,
>I nominate the Bristol Buccaneer.
I would use another word to describe the Buccaneer, Brutal! :) What about
that British C-130 Hercules weather plane variant with the really long pointy
nose? Would you call it ugly or just plain weird?
Paul Owen
Etienne Le Chevalier <e-l...@worldnet.fr> wrote in article
<19971128012...@wn18-044.paris.worldnet.fr>...
> What I love with the brits is that they always react instanteanously
> when it deals with their nation's superiority, or with any form of
> compareason with their european neighboors ;-)
Not quite .... we only react instantly when someone compares our systems
with France's, I don't often see a huge reaction to someone suggesting
something originated in Germany rather than the UK ... ;)
> We have to come back to reality : both UK and France don't rule the
> world any more since 1939 :-(
France maybe in 1939, Britain around 1945 ;)