Israeli Armor : colors !!!!!!!!!!!!!
walter hebberecht
Hello,
I'm looking for the correct colors to paint Israeli Armor. They are
always talking about sand grey is thsi correct?
Thanks
Peter
Tom Gannon
Here we go again! I was wondering what happened to this thread! There was
quite a bit of discussion a few weeks ago about this. I've been going
thru my stuff ever since. Here's what I think: From 1948 thru '56 &
shortly thereafter, the predominant color seems to be olive drab, mostly
of the French brownish variety. From some time prior to '67 thru '73 ,
the color seems to be grayish(Yea...I'm an American!) sand of various
faded & non-faded shades. I happen to like Testors Armor Sand. I also mix
my own: any light desert sand like Humbrol's old 8th Army Desert Sand,
mixed with just a bit of gray or occasionally olive drab. I still say
that the color as reproduced in Verlinden's Sherman book, by Michael
Mass( Michael, if you're out there, please e-mail to
TGA...@MAIL.EROLS.COM)is pretty close. I've got my own shots from Latrun
& they match with what I remember. Of course there are shade differences.
An ex-Israeli dozer in private hands in Virginia is a very faded light
gray. The more modern colors seem to be more gray than sand,but I do have
shots of '82 & after vehicles that are definitely a variety of the
grayish sand. A lot of the published Merkava-on-exercise shots look more
like gray with a heavy coat of dust to make them look sandy. Some M60
color shots in Tank Magazine show gray,sort of bluish(Don't you just love
the clear description!) with a lot of dust in the depressions. I
personally saw gray jeeps, M113's and Border Police trucks. I also saw
Grayish sand Border Police trucks in Bethlehem. The Merkava I at Latrun
looked to be freshly painted in adark gray, while the newly refinished
Tiran 6(modified T62) was in a fresh coat of sand with a slight olive
tint. The Tiran 5 (T55) next to it is more sandy. Look at Verlinden's
T54/T55/T62 book, also by Michael Mass, has good photos of these.
Generally speaking, there is a variety of shades, just like in the U S
military. Just drive by any National Guard Armory or vehicle park and
you'll see what I mean. To further confuse the issue, the blue ex-Lebanes
M50's we used for the MP Models M50 kit look like the base Israeli color
beneath the blue was a more yellow looking sand,but that could be
influenced by the printing process. Don't worry about an exact color or
shade. Get close,do accurate markings & you'll do fine. My suggestions
are '56 & prior,use a shade like Testors Field Drab or a brownish olive
drab; '67 thru '73,use Testors Armor Sand or similar,well weathered; '82
to present,use a gray similar to Testors Euro Gray,from dark to faded or
Armor Sand. Good luck. Hope this was helpful. Tom
dkem...@aol.com
Check out NICHE's Israeli Armor Sand. It was produced from actual sraeli
color samples (there is also a color guide if you ask 'em for it.)
Lots of shops carry it and the company can be reached at NMI...@aol.com
Chuck
"...exploring the limits of creative imagination through modelling..."
Dan Winfield
Re:Israeli armour:Colors
According to "Armour of the Middle East Wars, by Steven J. Zaloga,
Prior to the 1967 war Zahal replaced olive drab paint with "Sand Grey
(36350/5E3) most Israeli tanks being repainted in this shade before
the outbreak of war."
"We win half the battle when we make up our minds to take t
the world as we find it, including the thorns."
Orison S. Marden
Dan
Oh by the way Polly S. has an excellent match for the Israeli shade
of sand grey.
Tom Gannon
Fabes wrote:
>
> In article <32BB5E...@mail.erols.com>, Tom says...
>
> good to see you back on the net!
>
> I just read this note of yours and one of my eyes started to spin clockwise
> and the other started to go the other direction....it happens to me when I
> read something written like the above on colour....should see my faces..
> they all look the same, because I have to use the same basic formula, otherwise
> I guess they'd look pretty strange to you folks with normal colour vision.
>
> I think I have enough potential Israeli kits, but haven't been game to build
> them, as I haven't been able to work out the colours, for the different eras.
>
> Can someone please give me actual paint tip colour formulations..i.e.
>
> French brown:... 10 parts Testors Olive Drab (FS&^%$) + 1 part whatever
> Faded French brown 9 parts the above + 1 part white
>
> you guys get what I mean....its really frustrating when you spend alot of time
> building something, and your mates comeover and have a good giggle at the paint
> scheme.
>
> Regards
>
> Fabes
> from down under
G'day to you too!! Excellent point about the mixture. I gave a short
demo on weathering recently as part of program at the Squadron Shop near
D.C., and I told the people there that I brake all the rules when it
comes to modeling---I twist parts off the sprue,plus I glue everything
on, including the tracks, before I start painting! I mix paint like my
grandmother used to mix cakes---a bit of this and a pinch that. If I
were to try a formula for "grayish sand", I say 5 parts sand to 1 part
gray---I'll have to dig through my stuff to find some nice pipettes Gerry
Gardiner gave me years ago. I'll let you know how it turns out. :-)
Whatever you do, don't let the "purists" get to you---Find Verlinden's
books on the Israeli Shermans and Tirans, and get close to what you see
there for the sand and the Lebanese blue. One caution: The M51 pictures,
especially the one on the cover look too gray--From memory, this tank was
the same sand color as the others on display. It may be the film Michael
used, because I believe my shots & his were taken around the same
period, 1991-92. Good luck & Happy Holidays!!!! Tom
Tom Gannon
Hi Dan! I'm not positive, but I think those Polly S Colors were for
Israeli aircraft. The sand looked too light, and the other colors, like
the green and blue, were definitely for aircraft. Tom
Dan Winfield
Re: Israeli Armour: Colors!!!!!!!
You're right, they did appear a little light, (when compared to the
color photo's) but, what I forgot to mention was the fact that I then
gave the kit a light coat of graphite, rubbed it on with my fingers,
brought out the recesses, and gave it that metallic look, around hatch
covers and such. Then and only then, would it appear like the real
MaCoy.
"All man's gains are fruit of
venturing."
Herodotus
Dan
tra...@randomc.com
walter.h...@ping.be (walter hebberecht) wrote:
>Hello,
>I'm looking for the correct colors to paint Israeli Armor. They are
>always talking about sand grey is thsi correct?
>Thanks
>Peter
The color I use for Israeli armor is testors Armor Sand
FS30277......this is the Israeli armor color. Its really close....I
have used it on sever Israeli vehicles and its looks excellent when
airbrushed. Hope this helped u.
Jay
Michael Smith
In <5a8nnf$7...@news1.randomc.com> tra...@randomc.com writes:
>
>walter.h...@ping.be (walter hebberecht) wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>
>>I'm looking for the correct colors to paint Israeli Armor. They are
>>always talking about sand grey is thsi correct?
>
>>Thanks
>>Peter
[[Peter--the new TESTOR's Model Master enamel line includes an Israeli
Sand Grey. I haven't used that one yet. But I've tried others from
the same TESTOR's line and they were great. They airbrush smoothly and
dry quickly, esp. when thinned with a little FLO-QUIL Dio-Sol. I
especially like the US Olive Drab and Faded Olive Drab.]]