Apollo 11 Lunar Lander color scheme?
Robert Templeton
I've exhausted my search of the internet (yes, even NASA), library, hobby
stores, and bookstores for a layout of the materials/colors for the Apollo
11 lunar lander module. So far, I've acquired a general space modelling
book which, for all intensive purposes, only describes the types/colors of
foil protective covering on the landing gear and descent stage. For this, I
am prepared. Also found some good detail pictures, but not enough for
accuracy with the 1:48 scale monogram model. Almost had a mission book with
CD, but the set went from 8 to 10 to 13. Go figure :(. There is a site
with detailed schematic drawings, but somewhat pricey: $35 total. For just
the colors, this is too much (still, stupendous for thorough detail or
b.y.o).
Where can this information be found on the internet or in good quality in a
book?
P.S.: Oh, I wish Mat Irvine would get his book on the move. He is a very
good, highly experienced modeller in spacecraft, fact and fiction. Gave me
great info to build a Mars Sojourner Rover model.
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John Beaderstadt
> stores, and bookstores for a layout of the materials/colors for the Apollo
> 11 lunar lander module.
I once posted the same questions you have, and some kind soul sent me a copy of
an article, with diagrams, that answered them all. The article is entitled "One
Giant Leap... 10 years after the first landing, John Boyes models the LM-5."
There are two pages of LM diagrams, showing many different angles and detail,
breaking the color scheme into silver metal, silver foil, gold foil and black.
While I still have the article, I'm unsure of the publication; I don't subscribe
to modeling mags and am not familiar with the various titles. It appears,
though, that it may be "Scale Models," and is dated August, 1979.
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Les Pickstock
<be...@together.net> wrote:
> I once posted the same questions you have, and some kind soul sent me a
copy of
> an article, with diagrams, that answered them all. The article is
entitled "One
> Giant Leap... 10 years after the first landing, John Boyes models the LM-5."
> There are two pages of LM diagrams, showing many different angles and detail,
> breaking the color scheme into silver metal, silver foil, gold foil and black.
John is absolutley correct. The John Boyes article appeared in Scale
Model in August 1979 I have the article here if you would like a copy,
e-mail me a snail mail address and I'll have it in the post today.
Robert Templeton
An e-mail is on its way.
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"Les Pickstock" <j.l.pi...@lboro.ac.uk> wrote in message
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Tim Brandt
detail. I wish it had been available when I made an "Eagle".
Tim Brandt
Robert Templeton <tem...@nospamvplayground.com> wrote in message
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> Hi all,
>
> I've exhausted my search of the internet (yes, even NASA), library, hobby
> stores, and bookstores for a layout of the materials/colors for the Apollo
> 11 lunar lander module. So far, I've acquired a general space modelling
> book which, for all intensive purposes, only describes the types/colors of
> foil protective covering on the landing gear and descent stage. For this,
I
> am prepared. Also found some good detail pictures, but not enough for
> accuracy with the 1:48 scale monogram model. Almost had a mission book
with
> CD, but the set went from 8 to 10 to 13. Go figure :(. There is a site
> with detailed schematic drawings, but somewhat pricey: $35 total. For just
> the colors, this is too much (still, stupendous for thorough detail or
> b.y.o).
>
> Where can this information be found on the internet or in good quality in
a
> book?
>
>
> P.S.: Oh, I wish Mat Irvine would get his book on the move. He is a very
> good, highly experienced modeller in spacecraft, fact and fiction. Gave
me
> great info to build a Mars Sojourner Rover model.
>
Robert Templeton
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> Try http://www.moonlander.com/lmdata/ for an excellent website full of
> detail. I wish it had been available when I made an "Eagle".
>
> Tim Brandt
>
Ahhh!!! This is wonderful! Exactly for what I have been looking.
Thank you Tim!
Craig Westbrooke
Wonder why Revell's 1/48 kit shows the whole LEM in white and black???
Craig
John Beaderstadt
> Wow - that's a great site.
> Wonder why Revell's 1/48 kit shows the whole LEM in white and black???
Not sure, but I believe that was the original prototype color scheme. Next
time you see "Apollo 13," check the scene where Lovell (Tom Hanks) is talking
to his son in the bedroom; *everything* is black and white, including the CSM.
jeff...@my-deja.com
Hey Robert,
I sent you an e-mail but it apparently didn't get to you so I'll post
here. The answers to ALL your questions are at:
This page was designed for the LM-5 modeller. The fellow who owns the
page is releasing a book on the colors, materials and designs of the
LM. You will find the info you need here. Also, you might want to think
about purchasing a set of Daved Weeks' technical drawings of the LM. A
MUST for building an accurate replica. You can get the drawings at:
While drawings and color info are nice, it's always good to have the
visual eye candy in front of you. David Weeks' has built the most
accurate LM-5 I have seen to date. I'm certain everybody in this ng
would agree with me on this. Complete w/ open hatch, detailed interior,
hand crafted detailed antennae, just too much to list. All this was
built using the Monogram 1:48 First lunar landing kit. See detailed
closeups of this incredible model here:
http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/html_pix/lm.html
This should be ALL the info you require and it comes very cheap.
Good Luck!!
Jeff Foglietta
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
John Beaderstadt
> I have the 1/32 Apollo CM with the gold plated capsule. for some reason. Think
> that should
> be some kind of chrome finish.
Yes, it should. Again, I'm not sure why the gold, but I have seen a few photos of
the capsule after recovery, with the sun shining "gold" on it. I've also seen the
1/32 model where someone went over it with Bare Metal Foil; stunning!
Robert Templeton
> Hey Robert,
>
> I sent you an e-mail but it apparently didn't get to you so I'll post
> here. The answers to ALL your questions are at:
>
> www.moonlander.com
>
> This page was designed for the LM-5 modeller. The fellow who owns the
> page is releasing a book on the colors, materials and designs of the
> LM. You will find the info you need here. Also, you might want to think
> about purchasing a set of Daved Weeks' technical drawings of the LM. A
> MUST for building an accurate replica. You can get the drawings at:
>
> www.realspace.com
>
> While drawings and color info are nice, it's always good to have the
> visual eye candy in front of you. David Weeks' has built the most
> accurate LM-5 I have seen to date. I'm certain everybody in this ng
> would agree with me on this. Complete w/ open hatch, detailed interior,
> hand crafted detailed antennae, just too much to list. All this was
> built using the Monogram 1:48 First lunar landing kit. See detailed
> closeups of this incredible model here:
>
> http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/html_pix/lm.html
>
> This should be ALL the info you require and it comes very cheap.
>
>
> Good Luck!!
>
> Jeff Foglietta
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Hey, thanks Jeff. That last site is great. Some work went into that model.
jeff...@my-deja.com
jeff...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Hey Robert,
>
> I sent you an e-mail but it apparently didn't get to you so I'll post
> here. The answers to ALL your questions are at:
>
> www.moonlander.com
>
> This page was designed for the LM-5 modeller. The fellow who owns the
> page is releasing a book on the colors, materials and designs of the
> LM. You will find the info you need here. Also, you might want to
think
> about purchasing a set of Daved Weeks' technical drawings of the LM. A
> MUST for building an accurate replica. You can get the drawings at:
>
> www.realspace.com
WRONG URL!!! www.realspacemodels.com is the correct one.
Sorry
Jeff
Dominique Durocher
<be...@together.net> wrote:
> Craig Westbrooke wrote:
>
> > I have the 1/32 Apollo CM with the gold plated capsule. for some
reason. Think
> > that should
> > be some kind of chrome finish.
>
> Yes, it should. Again, I'm not sure why the gold, but I have seen a few
photos of
> the capsule after recovery, with the sun shining "gold" on it. I've also
seen the
> 1/32 model where someone went over it with Bare Metal Foil; stunning!
it is chrome in flight, but the heat of re-entry turns the surface
somewhat amber, as I've seen on at least 4 capsules. The gold colour would
only be good for a splashdown setting.
Dom
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Dominique Durocher
> Yeah, that's what I noticed too. That is how I built all those kits in
the 60's
> and 70's.
> I have the 1/32 Apollo CM with the gold plated capsule. for some
reason. Think
> that should
> be some kind of chrome finish. Or heck, I'll just pretend its 1967 again and
> paint it white.
IIRC, the one on display at Kennedy is painted white where it should be
metallic. It may also be missing the deflectors for the maneuvering jets,
but I'm not sure as I haven't been there in almost 2 decades (gotta find
the pictures).
Mat Irvine
>stores, and bookstores for a layout of the materials/colors for the Apollo
>11 lunar lander module. So far, I've acquired a general space modelling
>book which, for all intensive purposes, only describes the types/colors of
>foil protective covering on the landing gear and descent stage. For this, I
>am prepared. Also found some good detail pictures, but not enough for
>accuracy with the 1:48 scale monogram model. Almost had a mission book with
>CD, but the set went from 8 to 10 to 13. Go figure :(. There is a site
>with detailed schematic drawings, but somewhat pricey: $35 total. For just
>the colors, this is too much (still, stupendous for thorough detail or
>b.y.o).
>
>Where can this information be found on the internet or in good quality in a
>book?
>P.S.: Oh, I wish Mat Irvine would get his book on the move. He is a very
>good, highly experienced modeller in spacecraft, fact and fiction. Gave me
>great info to build a Mars Sojourner Rover model.
As I've got a mention, only fair I at least attempt a reply...
Sorry about the book - personally I would dearly like to "get (it) on
the move..", but absolutely no publisher has shown an interest, so I'm
thinking about different routes (but it takes time..)
Re: Apollo - yes attempting to get definitive information together isn't
easy. The other replies give probably the best info. Also re: info in
model mags, besides the piece in Scale Models 1979, there was an even
more detailed article by Barrie Armstrong using the Airfix LM in
Modelworld, November 1972.
mat
MAT IRVINE <m...@smallspace.demon.co.uk>
URL http://www.smallspace.demon.co.uk - to be updated - SOON!
Mat Irvine
<cr...@earthlink.net> writes
>Wow - that's a great site.
>Wonder why Revell's 1/48 kit shows the whole LEM in white and black???
>
Because its a model of the boiler-plate mock-ups of the LM - which were
black and white..
jeff...@my-deja.com
cr...@earthlink.net wrote:
> Wow - that's a great site.
> Wonder why Revell's 1/48 kit shows the whole LEM in white and black???
>
> Craig
>
The Revell LM was released in 1967. At that time the LM was still in
development. The Revell kit represents the LM immediately after going
through SWIP (Super Weight Improvement Program). The LM would undergo
many more modifications before it would fly. Now in 1967 there was no
real color scheme at the time as they were still testing various
materials for flight. All Revell had to go by was the Grumman model of
the LM from the design engineers. This model depicted the LM and the
areas that would be used for stowage (Black areas). Foil wasn't applied
to this prototype but was already in the plans as of 1967.
The Monogram 1:48 LM is a much more accurate representation of LM-5. If
you put these two kits side by side you will see major differences.
The Revell "Lunar Spacecraft" represents the Apollo Spacefraft
prototype as it appeared in 1967. The block 1 command and service
modules WERE white so this is accurate. The LM was as accurate as it
could have been in 1967. Block 2 Command/service module didn't fly
until 68' on Apollo 7. The Block 2's were a very different design than
the block 1 and of course painted different.