F-4J (UK) paint scheme question
JETT DUDE
decals for the 1988 Tiger Meet scheme (tiger on the nose) from 74 Sq RAF. I am
running into some conflicting info about the paint scheme. My question is what
color are the upper wings? According to the Yellowhammer instructions the
inboard upper surface wings are a darker grey than the fuselage (approx
FS36270). Hasegawa instructions show the upper surface of the wings the same
color as the fuselage (approx FS36314). The Hasegawa instructions are not of
the same tiger scheme but there were not many F-4J's in RAF service and
pictures I can find show the planes as all one color on the upper surface.
Does anybody know if the upper wing surfaces were ever painted a darker grey?
Does anybody have pictures of the 1988 Tiger Meet RAF F-4J's?
Thanks,
Darren McTee
julian hales
will check so email me direct.
Im sure it was some of these planes that were painted the wrong colour by
the yanks cos they couldnt read the painting instuctions, but in real light
the colour looks differant
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"JETT DUDE" <jett...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Does anybody know if the upper wing surfaces were ever painted a darker grey?
> Does anybody have pictures of the 1988 Tiger Meet RAF F-4J's?
www.natotigers.org
and work your way from there
troffa
JETT DUDE <wrote in message
My question is what
> color are the upper wings? According to the Yellowhammer instructions the
> inboard upper surface wings are a darker grey than the fuselage (approx
> FS36270). Hasegawa instructions show the upper surface of the wings the
same
> color as the fuselage (approx FS36314).
The F-4J were delivered to 74(F) Squadron in the Standard Air Defence scheme
of the day, painted in what has been described as "Approximations" of the
British Standard Paint scheme colours. The two FS Colours you quote are the
correct colours for the upper surfaces of the wings and were deemed the
closest match to BS 637 and BS 626 respectively.
The Hasegawa instructions are not of
> the same tiger scheme but there were not many F-4J's in RAF service and
> pictures I can find show the planes as all one color on the upper surface.
>
The Inboard section of the wing was painted FS 36270 and the Outer wing
(Outboard of the wing fold) was FS 36314, the same as the Fuselage.
I have checked my copy of the WARPAINT on the UK Phantoms and these are the
references it quotes as well.
As a postscript, I worked on Phantoms in the late Eighties on 43(f) Squadron
and I always had a hard time seeing the difference between the upper wing
colours( The Aircraft were finnished in the standard British Standard
scheme)- I don't recall ever seeing as stark a contrast as some of the
models I've seen built, but maybe the overall weathering of the aircraft
(most had been around for about 5 years in the grey scheme) toned down the
contrast between the greys. But the 74 sqn birds looked great with the black
fin and that distinctive "grey" (More like green/blue on a sunny day)
there's my two cents...
Troffa.
>
>
Ant Phillips
IIRC the F-4J(UK)'s were initially delivered in an equivalent scheme to that
in use on FG1/FGR2's but as they were painted in the US by US Navy workshops
they used FS standard equivalents to the BS colours normally used. As they
were also applied over a yellow zinc chromate primer this resulted in some
strange variations in appearance depending on the prevailing light/weather
conditions.
I think the following is correct :
Light Aircraft Grey undersurfaces (US equiv.Light Gull Grey FS 26440)
Barley Grey fuselage upper surface & outer wing panels (Us equiv. Flint Grey
FS ?????)
Medium sea grey upper inner wing panels (US equiv. Neutral Grey FS 26270)
The original RAF scheme was satin finish but this turned matt fairly
quickly.
Just to confuse things the F-4J's were also repainted in standard RAF
colours as they underwent overhaul.
I cant say the above is definitive but I'm sure somebody else here can add
more.
Hope this helps
Ant Phillips
'Travelling at the speed of dark'
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Duncan Greenwood
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"JETT DUDE" <jett...@aol.com> wrote in message
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David Fleming
wrote:
>
>As a postscript, I worked on Phantoms in the late Eighties on 43(f) Squadron
>and I always had a hard time seeing the difference between the upper wing
>colours( The Aircraft were finnished in the standard British Standard
>scheme)- I don't recall ever seeing as stark a contrast as some of the
>models I've seen built, but maybe the overall weathering of the aircraft
>(most had been around for about 5 years in the grey scheme) toned down the
>contrast between the greys. But the 74 sqn birds looked great with the black
>fin and that distinctive "grey" (More like green/blue on a sunny day)
> there's my two cents...
>
Wasn't you who slapped the 43 zap on 111's 'Black Mike' just before her
last flight was it ?
Dave
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troffa
David Fleming <dave.flem...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001 22:14:38 -0000, "troffa"
<tro...@mwilson71.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> >As a postscript, I worked on Phantoms in the late Eighties on 43(f)
Squadron........
>
> Wasn't you who slapped the 43 zap on 111's 'Black Mike' just before her
> last flight was it ?
> Dave
> I'm sorry to say that I didn't zap Black Mike(XV582), but it was only
fitting as for most of her career she was "Alpha Foxtrot" on 43(F) sqn,
Tremblers only got her when we went to the Tornado. (I did see a two foot
tall day-glo Cockerel on a Nimrod once though.......)
Troff.
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