Winsor-Newton's Griffin Oil Colors
Stewart Schooley
colors with other oil colors. I threw in some acrylic color too.
The paints I tested were;
Winsor-Newton acrylic
Winsor-Newton high cost oil paint
Winsor-Newton's Winton color - Student grade oil paint
Winsor-Newton's Griffin oil paint
Daler-Rowney - Student grade oil paint
I tested them on glass, stainless steel, chrome, aluminum, painted metal
can, lacquer, polyurethane, and five different kinds of plastic.
Bottom line, the acrylic was the weakest in adhesion. Not by much, but
when scratched hard, larger pieces came off. All the rest were the same
with strong adhesion, but could be scratched if some force was used.
Thin coats of Griffin dried overnight.
I did not have anything that I knew to be resin to test on. My judgment
is that if oil paints will stick to something, Griffen oil paints will too.
Check the Griffen oil colors here. Be sure to scroll down and see the
prices. You'll love the prices and the fast drying time.
http://www.dickblick.com/zz005/01/products.asp?ig_id=4308
Stewart
Greg Heilers
> It's been a week since I posted that I would compare W-N's Griffin oil
> colors with other oil colors. I threw in some acrylic color too.
>
> The paints I tested were;
>
> Winsor-Newton acrylic
>
> Winsor-Newton high cost oil paint
>
> Winsor-Newton's Winton color - Student grade oil paint
>
> Winsor-Newton's Griffin oil paint
>
> Daler-Rowney - Student grade oil paint
>
> I tested them on glass, stainless steel, chrome, aluminum, painted metal
> can, lacquer, polyurethane, and five different kinds of plastic.
>
> Bottom line, the acrylic was the weakest in adhesion. Not by much, but
> when scratched hard, larger pieces came off. All the rest were the same
> with strong adhesion, but could be scratched if some force was used.
> Thin coats of Griffin dried overnight.
>
> I did not have anything that I knew to be resin to test on. My judgment
> is that if oil paints will stick to something, Griffen oil paints will
> too.
Did you test them on a matte primed plastic surface, also? I would be
interested in those results as well; as rarely, if ever, are oils and tube
acrylics used on a "raw" surface (at least, in the model-building,
figure-painting world).
> Check the Griffen oil colors here. Be sure to scroll down and see the
> prices. You'll love the prices and the fast drying time.
>
> http://www.dickblick.com/zz005/01/products.asp?ig_id=4308
>
> Stewart
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Stewart Schooley
Please excuse my tardiness in answering. Things happen.
In modeling I am a balsa wood guy, but I understand your use of the
matte primer over plastic or resin figures. Using the artist's canvas as
an example, the canvas is technically called a support and after sizing
it the artist puts on a layer of white oil paint which is called the
ground. The actual painting is done on the ground.
I don't know what your matte primer is composed of. If it is lacquer
based then my test showed that alkyd paint sticks to it just fine. If it
is polyurethane, my test covered that. That leaves acrylic and the only
thing I have at the moment is Krylon clear. I do all sprayng outdoors
and the temperature is supposed to go up the next few days so I will
spray it on something and test the Griffin colors on it.
Two interesting things about alkyd. Clear polyurethane varnish is
actually an alkyd varnish to which some urethane has been added to
toughen it. It's used on floors a lot. The urethane gives the finish a
plastic like look so clear alkyd varnish is the choice of many fine
woodworkers.
If you go in a paint store and read the labels of oil based paints, the
odds are almost 100 to 1 that they are actually alkyd based. Alkyd has
replaced linseed oil in nearly all oil based paints. It is being used
over all kinds of old paint, both interior and exterior.
I'll be back after testing the Krylon.
Stewart
Greg Heilers
Thanks. Gilbert Moreno, friend, and fellow figure artist from just south
of here, (he resides in San Antonio) has been using the Alkyds for quite
some time now, with spectacular results. I have been tempted, but the
relatively quick drying time has been a deterent for me, as I am a SLOOOWWWW
painter...lol.
Gilbert uses the alkyds for some things, and Vallejo acrylics for others.
Here is a sample of one of his pieces. It has won a Gold just about
everywhere, as well as winning "Best of Show" at our last Austin AMPS
show. This is his "Inquisitor" in about 80mm scale:
http://members.shaw.ca/mmsi/2003/2003c09.htm
(Page down to lower part of page)
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Stewart Schooley
>
>
> Thanks. Gilbert Moreno, friend, and fellow figure artist from just south
> of here, (he resides in San Antonio) has been using the Alkyds for quite
> some time now, with spectacular results. I have been tempted, but the
> relatively quick drying time has been a deterent for me, as I am a SLOOOWWWW
> painter...lol.
>
> Gilbert uses the alkyds for some things, and Vallejo acrylics for others.
> Here is a sample of one of his pieces. It has won a Gold just about
> everywhere, as well as winning "Best of Show" at our last Austin AMPS
> show. This is his "Inquisitor" in about 80mm scale:
>
> http://members.shaw.ca/mmsi/2003/2003c09.htm
> (Page down to lower part of page)
>
>
>
I looked at every picture. Very impressive! Very impressive indeed. I
had no idea that this level of work was being done. I had seen some
displays in hobby shops that had painted figures, but never any like
these. I was particularly impressed with many of the faces. Very much
like portrait painting.
I think the questions about using alkyd paint has been settled, so I'm
not going to test the Krylon.If you're friend is using it and doing that
kind of work I am satisfied. I still think the Griffin oils are a good
way for someone like the original poster to start with. Cheaper and fast
drying can be an asset to them and perhaps they will move on to higher
quality materials as their skills improve.
I'm going to post a couple photos of my hobby painting on the binary
page for you to see. Please take a look.
Stewart