Unauthorized copy of GMM 350-3 Titanic set
pete...@hotmail.com
My friend Loren Perry has asked me to post the following message on his behalf
due to his inability to acess this site.
From: Loren Perry/Gold Medal Models
To: all concerned:
It appears that Tom's Modelworks, a supplier of photoetched brass
detailing sets for model shipbuilders, has made unauthorized copies of
elements from my photoetched brass Gold Medal Models No. 350-3 1/350
Scale Merchant Ship detailing set and is now selling them under his
company's name. This was apparently done in an effort to quickly and
cheaply create a photoetched detail set for the popular
Academy/Minicraft plastic kit of the RMS Titanic.
I first became aware of this on Thursday, May 21st, when a set of Tom's
Titanic parts arrived in my mail. I had ordered them from a reputable
mail order dealer who was at the time unaware of the situation.
The copied parts include:
1. One-Bar Railing (identical height and stanchion spacing)
2. Two-Bar Railing (ditto)
3. Three-Bar Railing (ditto)
4. Five-Bar Railing (ditto)
5. Foremast Ratlines (the shorter ones - identical overall length,
angle of shroud taper, number of rungs, and rung spacing)
6. Mainmast Ratlines (the longer ones - ditto)
7. Ladders for Funnels 1 & 2 (identical overall length and width,
number of rungs, rung spacing, and unique funnel mounting
brackets)
8. Ladders for Funnels 3 & 4 (ditto)
9. Stairways (identical overall length and width, number of stair
treads, tread spacing, amd angle & configuration of handrails)
This could not have been a mere coincidence. It was clearly a well
planned and deliberate act. The Tom's Modelworks version has been copied
with sufficient precision that when one lays their version of the brass
parts on top of the Gold Medal Models original, both sets register
perfectly, to the thousandth of an inch. The copying is therefore very
easy to prove, even to the untrained eye.
It is my opinion that Tom Harrison of Tom's Modelworks in Cupertino,
California USA, or one of his employees, made a photocopy of my Gold
Medal Models product. He then apparently cut out all the Titanic-related
elements from this copy while deleting all the Lusitania-related items.
By pasting the various elements together on a piece of paper, a new and
smaller master drawing was created. This was then used to manufacture
the photoetched brass copies.
Examination of the Tom's Modelworks Titanic set reveals a mix of
computer-generated art and hand-drawn art. The computer-generated art is
all copied from Gold Medal Models originals. (Tom Harrison himself has
admitted to me personally in a telephone conversation in early May 1998
that he has no computer capability for creating this type of artwork.)
The hand-drawn art consists of lines which form "sprue" tying all the
re-arranged elements together, plus a crude rectangular "frame" to hold
all the parts.
Tom's Modelworks even went so far as to copy the entire set of four
Gold Medal Models Titanic ratlines verbatim, as a complete group, and
perfectly reproduced this ratline group in their own version.
Because this appears to be a clear and blatant violation of U.S.
copyright law, I telephoned Tom Harrison on Thursday, May 21 and left a
message on his telephone answering machine. As of this writing, I have
received no response.
The Gold Medal Models 1/350 scale Merchant Ship set was first made
available to the public in early 1996. The Tom's Modelworks copy was
first made on or about February 29, 1997.
I have learned that Tom's photoetcher is the same as mine. When I
informed the etchers of the situation and provided proof in the form of
copies of both sets of artwork, they immediately agreed to cease all
production of the Tom's Modelworks copy. This set is therefore no longer
being produced.
I am retaining the one sample I now have for use as evidence in any
possible future legal action against Tom Harrison and Tom's Modelworks,
should it come to that.
I have also notified several major hobby dealers, manufacturers, and
distributors, in the U.S. as well as other countries, who carry both
Gold Medal Models and Tom's Modelworks products, of the problem. So far,
their cooperation has been gratifying and consists mainly of pledges not
to carry or sell the Tom's Modelworks copy of the GMM Titanic set.
I will be contacting my copyright attorney in California this week to
consider further options.
Until today, I always considered Tom Harrison and those at Tom's
Modelworks to be honest, hard-working businessmen and worthy
competitors. My opinion of them has now changed.
Finally, I would like to appeal to the sense of honesty and fair play
in all the readers of this letter. Please, if you will, imagine that one
day in the future you have created a product through hard, painstaking
work, and maybe with a fair amount of your own personal savings. Next,
imagine that soon after you've begun to sell your product and get some
of your investment back, someone suddenly appears on the market with a
direct copy of all your hard work and is now selling it as his own
design.
How would you feel?
There's no way I can make anyone stop buying any product. But perhaps
you will consider all the above facts the next time you go shopping for
photoetched details for your next project.
Thank you for reading this and best wishes to all of you.
Loren Perry
Gold Medal Models
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MBishop446
Hmmmm. Now I guess Loren knows the feeling too.
Mike
MBishop446
I think this sort of thing is also the fault of the people who support this
type of company. Once again ethics in modelling has shown it's ugly head.
These folks have copied my parts as well. Really nothing that can be done
about this sort of thing being in a different state. I can only hope that SOME
DAY the people that support companies like this would stop buying the products.
That will be the only way that companies that have these type of ethical
lapses will stop.
Mike
Ken Hartlen
Hi Mike,
Unfortunately the average modeller dropping into a shop to buy something
has no way of knowing: a) if a product X is a copy and b) if he knows X or
Y is a copy, how can he tell which one?
One time I dropped into a local shop and on first glance I saw these kits
I thought were Tamiya but on closer inspection they weren't Tamiya kits.
They were Chinese ripoffs of Tamiya's very popular Mini 4WD kits. The box
was an EXACT copy of Tamiya's boxes the only difference being the Tamiya
'Stars' were replaced with 'Diamonds'. The artwork even showed 'Tamiya'
batteries in the car! I was stunned that the hobby shop was carrying these
pirate kits and told them so. Then I saw even more at two more shops
during my hobby shop visits the same weekend. The Tamiya distributor was
very appreciative when I made them aware of these kits. They were soon
gone from the store shelves.
Being a Tamiya fan I spotted this right away. Someone that doesn't
normally buy Tamiya kits would never have known the difference and bought
them.
If the stores will stock blatantly obvious pirate kits, I don't think
they'll care about a few parts within a kit. The only solution is keep the
offending product from ever getting to the shops in order to have any hope
of preventing unsuspecting modellers from buying. In order to do that, the
lawyers have to settle things.
BTW, everyone should be very careful about pointing fingers in a public
forum like this. The pointee's laywer might come knocking.
Ken
Rob Ottmers
On 22 May 1998 19:43:48 GMT, mbish...@aol.com (MBishop446) wrote:
>I think this sort of thing is also the fault of the people who support this
>type of company. Once again ethics in modelling has shown it's ugly head.
>These folks have copied my parts as well. Really nothing that can be done
>about this sort of thing being in a different state. I can only hope that SOME
>DAY the people that support companies like this would stop buying the products.
> That will be the only way that companies that have these type of ethical
>lapses will stop.
>
>Mike
Hi Mike,
Its saddening to think this sort of thing is going on in
modelling. I personally will deal only with those whom I know are
reputable.
On another point, do you know if anyone deals in a retrofit
the Academy 1/350 Titanic model into HMHS Britannic?? I think the two
most notable differences are the gantry davits and the covered over
third class promenade..
Any information would be appreciated.
Rob..
jhe...@hotmail.com
Having read this thread I have a couple of things to add...
First of all, when someone does artwork of a specific fitting, whatever it may
be, chances are, if the art work is done against a set of commonly available
plans, that the part will be nearly identical if both parties are at the top
of their game. In this case, I tend to believe this more than a case of
copycatting. If I use the same set of plans as a reference, then who's to say
the parts aren't going to be identical? Does the stanchion spacing on the GMM
set match the plans? Does the Tom's set match the spacing on the plans? If
both sets match the spacing on the plans, then both sets of rails will be
virtually identical. Since both manufacturers strive to achieve the finest
details, then the line weights will be the finest acceptable by the etcher.
And according to Loren's "friend's" post, (3 posts thus far, possibly an
alias??) Tom and Loren use the same etcher, so both manufacturers know how
thin their etcher can get brass rails. This is like drag racing folks, both
cars go damn fast, and win by hundreths, even thousandths of seconds. The
margins are so close that the differences are negligible. Could it be that
both are simply doing it right?? And who are you, PeterK5, to post up on
Loren's behalf? History shows you only have 3 posts, and again from a Hotmail
account??? Why have we never heard anything constructive from you in the past?
This is obviously a matter that should have been settled between the two
manufacturers, and if you had any sense of decency, you would have told Loren
to contact Tom first, before you go attempting to smear a manufacturer that
has done a real good job of staying out these childish little games. You
disgust me. Maybe it boils down to the simple fact that Tom is doing it
better, or for less "hard earned dosh"...
Jeff Herne
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pete...@hotmail.com
Thankyou Jeff,
and I will post your reply to Loren Perrt as he does not subscribe.
I dont want to get involved in this discussion, I would mention that according
to Loren he had comntacted Mr Harrison before posting and had not got a
respoinse. I'm only relaying the views of Loren,as they have beem passed to me
and am posting them as a favor.
Steve
** BOB SIGMAN ***
FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
they will catch you and sue you (unless you live in China...then Bill
Clinton will let you copy anything).
Loren and Mike: in the future, slip a little error in your work.
Then you can catch them.
Bob Sigman
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John Beaderstadt
** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
>
> FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
> an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
> who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
--
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-- Lady Barbara Hornblower
rfranklin
>** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
>> an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
>> who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
>> they will catch you and sue you...
>
>Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
>
Probably true. There are fictious entries in encyclopedias.
WRF
"Nooooooo! Stop me before I build again."
Kfzang
Please make that error easy to correct.
John Beaderstadt
I'd have to see some examples.
Jose Altube
Hope you never drive at midnight across some place forgotten by God, find
gas is low, go to a place shown in the map and find....NOTHING!!!.
John Beaderstadt <be...@together.net> wrote in article
<356C90...@together.net>...
Grnbe21505
Go to get gas and find nothing? That would be Tres Piadres, New Mexico.
Looked big on the map.... Luckily Taos was downhill all the way. Surprising how
far a gallon can last. I'm not sure I agree with the encyclopeadia theory, but
had heard the one about the map. As an aside, every rug woven by a Muslim has
an imperfection, but for entirely different reasons.
It's better to have entered a model contest and lost, than to have collected
stamps.
Burkhard Domke
>** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
>> an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
>> who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
>> they will catch you and sue you...
>
>Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
Even a real airplane assembled according to construction drawings does
not match these perfectly. That's what tolerances are about.
Paper drawings are never perfect and don't need to, as their purpose
is to portray reference dimensions while giving the general picture
where these are taken and how they correspond with the overall part
geometry. Most drawings for example don't reproduce loft lines very
well. And CAD software seems to have difficulties in creating perfect
circles generally. And then there are rounding errors inherent to
numeric systems...
No legend, no conspiracy.
regards,
Burkhard
John Beaderstadt
Jose Altube wrote:
>
> Hope you never drive at midnight across some place forgotten by God, find
> gas is low, go to a place shown in the map and find....NOTHING!!!.
This doesn't answer the question. The "original" (to this subthread)
poster claims that intentional errors are inserted into roadmaps as an
anti-theft device. I asked for evidence that this is true. You replied
with a hypothetical case that cites nothing.
I ask again: Is there any evidence that roadmaps contain intentional
errors, or is this just one of those urban myths?
John Beaderstadt
Grnbe21505 wrote:
>
> Go to get gas and find nothing? That would be Tres Piadres, New Mexico.
Yucca, California (with a name like that, what would you expect?).
I still want to know: Is there any evidence that roadmaps contain
intentional errors?
James and Linda Young
ae2...@prism.gatech.edu (** BOB SIGMAN ***) wrote:
> Loren and Mike: in the future, slip a little error in your work.
>Then you can catch them.
Hasbro has two deiberate errors in every GIJoe to make the design copywriteable.
His left thumb has the nail on the inside rather than the outside, and there's
the scar on his cheek.
**James
Maiesm72
Several years back when we produced our original French edition of the
Encyclopedie des Maquettes 1/72, we included a couple of fictional kits in the
listing.
A French magazine copied our work, the author of the article claiming it to be
his original work (not the magazine's fault). When we pointed out the two
"plants" they published an appology and retired the articles author.
Some people in the publishing end of the scale modeling field don't hink this
is a good idea, but it does help to bring down the dishonest few in the hobby.
Recently we published a list of new Japanese kits gleaned from PKC. The editor
quickly pointed out that he had done the same thing and we published a
retraction. He had been looking to trap a European magazine which was copying
his work.
It is a pretty common practice, but I don't know about those maps!
Tom & Lynne Young
for MAI/ESM 72
John Beaderstadt
Maiesm72 wrote:
>
> It is a pretty common practice, but I don't know about those maps!
Me, either. The hypothetical case someone mentioned, running out of gas
in a dangerous location because of an intentional cartographic error,
could kill the poor slob who was using the map. It could also put the
mapmaker in a hell of a lot of trouble for any number of reasons,
"reckless endangerment" being just one.
John Beaderstadt
James and Linda Young wrote:
>
> Hasbro has two deiberate errors in every GIJoe to make the design copywriteable.
> His left thumb has the nail on the inside rather than the outside, and there's
> the scar on his cheek.
This one is easily verifiable, and you're right! I just pulled the left
glove off my GI Joe Mercury Astronaut and the nail is, indeed, on the
wrong side of the thumb. I would never have noticed.
LubenLarry
Don't know if it's a deliberate error or not, but on the El Paso city map
published by Rand*McNally, my street is named wrong and has been since 1985.
Larry B
F. X. Kranick, Jr.
I'm not 100% on this but I'm told the folks at Autodesk wrote certain
hidden code into AutoCAD to enable their investigators to verify whether
they've found any of their products or portions of their products in
another program.
I'm sure there are similar "keys" in many other products. For maps,
it could be in some topo lines or misspelling a street. It would be
easy to do; for GMM, it might be spacing the railings a little closer or
farther apart in a predetermined location. Only they'd know where the
"error" is...
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bknjlell
John Beaderstadt <be...@together.net> wrote in article
> Maiesm72 wrote:
> >
> > It is a pretty common practice, but I don't know about those maps!
If model companies do this also it could be the answer to the
bizarre track on the Tamiya M3 Grant/Lee M3/M5/M8 Stuarts.
To my knowledge, no one has copied these.
>
>
Mike Settle
My unsubstantiated scientific wild *** guess about the deliberate errors
on the maps would be the mileages listed between the little sections of
roads on the maps. The map might say 12 miles when the actual distance
is, say, only nine miles.
--
Mike Settle
Our problems are mostly behind us. What we have to do now is fight the
solutions. (Anon.)
Ken Hartlen
On Wed, 27 May 1998, John Beaderstadt wrote:
> ** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
> > an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
> > who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
> > they will catch you and sue you...
>
> Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
Not sure about maps, but a software company I used to work for purposely
included a few fictious items in a necessary data file. If the file was
copied or modified odds are the fictictous data was as well. Sure enough,
the trap worked and another software was caught red handed. :-)
Ken
MIKE AND LAURIE WEST
In <01bd8a7f$459defa0$1285accf@default> "bknjlell" <bknj...@erols.com>
writes:
>
>
>John Beaderstadt <be...@together.net> wrote in article
><356DA9...@together.net>...
>> Maiesm72 wrote:
>> >
>> > It is a pretty common practice, but I don't know about those maps!
>If model companies do this also it could be the answer to the
>bizarre track on the Tamiya M3 Grant/Lee M3/M5/M8 Stuarts.
>To my knowledge, no one has copied these.
>>
>>
>
It was not just Tamiya that did the US tracks wrong. All of the early
Shermans and stuarts by tamiya, shermans by Italeri, and by Monogram
had the end connectors in the middle of the block and not at the split
line. This was to enable the Vinyl tracks to fit/flex better around the
drive sprockets and in Tamiya's case run better with a motor installed.
It was not some secret plan to catch someone copying their tracks.
Mike West/Lone Star Models
Frank Tauss
bknjlell wrote:
>
> John Beaderstadt <be...@together.net> wrote in article
> <356DA9...@together.net>...
> > Maiesm72 wrote:
> > >
> > > It is a pretty common practice, but I don't know about those maps!
> If model companies do this also it could be the answer to the
> bizarre track on the Tamiya M3 Grant/Lee M3/M5/M8 Stuarts.
> To my knowledge, no one has copied these.
> >
> >
Then Airfix and Monogram copied protected the tracks for thier versions
of the M3 Lee/Grant, too. What I want to know is why Tamiya just doesn't
make a new set of tracks for these, how much could it cost? Even just
rubber block tracks in the same glueable material as the new tracks.
Who would prefer that to DML links? I have a set of the damn DML links
I'm gonna try removing the chevrons from to make plain block track.
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>
>Don't know if it's a deliberate error or not, but on the El Paso city map
>published by Rand*McNally, my street is named wrong and has been since 1985.
Spelling a street wrong probably will not endanger anyone's life on a cold
lonely gas staionless streach of road, yet it might catch copy cats..
..../Vess
Grnbe21505
While we're on the subject, the CIA and NSA sometimes disseminate Classified
Documents for certain members of Congress. They too, have intentional, but
very hard to detect differences. If something shows up in the press by an
"unnamed" source, they know who to go after.
Matthew Usher
In article <356c6d5f....@news.recorder.ca>, rfra...@recorder.ca
(rfranklin) wrote:
> On Wed, 27 May 1998 12:53:38 -0400, John Beaderstadt
> <be...@together.net> wrote:
>
> >** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
> >>
> >> FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps) has
> >> an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The guys
> >> who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell them,
> >> they will catch you and sue you...
> >
> >Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
> >
>
> Probably true. There are fictious entries in encyclopedias.
> WRF
Oddly enough, this subject came up in a conversation I had with our
copyright attorneys about a month ago. Most map companies insert some
small error (a fake street name, a misspelling, ect.) to make it easier to
catch copyright violators. (Copyright holders are responsible for making
sure no one infringes on their copyrighted work.)
I think things would have been clearer if "All those maps you buy at the
gas station are wrong" had instead read "All those maps you buy at the gas
station are correct, except for one small, unobtrusive, intentional
error."
Matt Usher
FSM
Paolo Pizzi
Matthew Usher wrote:
> Oddly enough, this subject came up in a conversation I had with our
> copyright attorneys about a month ago. Most map companies insert some
> small error (a fake street name, a misspelling, ect.) to make it easier to
> catch copyright violators. (Copyright holders are responsible for making
> sure no one infringes on their copyrighted work.)
With today's digital watermarking technologies all of that might
well be a thing of the past...
Of course I'm only referring to the printed and electronic world,
I don't think you can embed a digital watermark in a photoetch set...
Paolo Pizzi
http://navismagazine.com
John Beaderstadt
Mike Settle wrote:
>
> My unsubstantiated scientific wild *** guess about the deliberate errors
> on the maps would be the mileages listed between the little sections of
> roads on the maps. The map might say 12 miles when the actual distance
> is, say, only nine miles.
Now, something like *that* would be noticed immediately! Believe me,
I've spent many a night adding up those little numbers so I could plan
my fuel costs and arrival times (at least, I used to until getting a
computer program to do it for me). And I know for a fact that I'm not
the only one. :-)
John W. Alger
>Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
Niether, 'tis fact. Here in Pittsburgh, there is an exit on I-79 which
one map shows it coming off too far south. The way I discovered it was
looking for a house to rent when I first moved up here. When you come
off the exit, the map says turn left for the street I was looking for.
Ya gotta turn right, or you will never find the street!!!!
There are at least three copies of that map that I know of!!!
John Alger
IPMS #10906
Three Rivers
Azzz1588
In article <6kkn1r$5...@dfw-ixnews6.ix.netcom.com>, lsmo...@ix.netcom.com(MIKE
AND LAURIE WEST) writes:
>This was to enable the Vinyl tracks to fit/flex better around the
>drive sprockets and in Tamiya's case run better with a motor installed.
>It was not some secret plan to catch someone copying their tracks.
Whew...... I was worried there for awhile.......<G>
Allan
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John Beaderstadt
John W. Alger wrote:
>
> On Wed, 27 May 1998 12:53:38 -0400, John Beaderstadt
> <be...@together.net> wrote:
>
> >Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
>
> Niether, 'tis fact. Here in Pittsburgh, there is an exit on I-79 which
> one map shows it coming off too far south.
I'd call this unintentional, not intentional for the purpose of copy
protection. Lawyers would have a field day, should an emergency vehicle
ever be delayed because of such an error. As I said in my email to you,
I don't doubt that most/all maps have errors, but I do doubt that any of
them (especially such as your example) are intentional.
John Sheridan
John Beaderstadt wrote:
>
> I'd call this unintentional, not intentional for the purpose of copy
> protection. Lawyers would have a field day, should an emergency vehicle
> ever be delayed because of such an error. As I said in my email to you,
> I don't doubt that most/all maps have errors, but I do doubt that any of
> them (especially such as your example) are intentional.
>
Take a look at what the Urban legends archive has to say on the subject:
http://www.urbanlegends.com/products/maps_copyright_traps_in.html
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To get back to the original post. Did everybody see that the alleged
copy of the GMM Titanic p.e. set is featured on page #12 of the new July
issue of FSM, in the New Products section??? Just a little aside to this
ongoing thread.
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Paolo Pizzi
RAY MEHLBERGER wrote:
>
> To get back to the original post. Did everybody see that the alleged
> copy of the GMM Titanic p.e. set is featured on page #12 of the new July
> issue of FSM, in the New Products section??? Just a little aside to this
> ongoing thread.
Graphic evidence is posted on GMM's promo page at:
http://navismagazine.com/gmm/bootleg.htm
You can judge by yourself, a picture is worth a thousand words...
Paolo Pizzi
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D2Kos
>My unsubstantiated scientific wild *** guess about the deliberate errors
>on the maps would be the mileages listed between the little sections of
>roads on the maps. The map might say 12 miles when the actual distance
>is, say, only nine miles.
Or like the map published by the state of Michigan that inserted the small town
of "GoBlu" (school color of University of Michigan) into neighboring (and
rival) Ohio.
Kekker1
Of cours, this now lets us get away from any nitpickers at model shows! " Oh,
that's not an iomcompletly filed mold mark - it's a deliberate flaw introduced
to prevent anyone from copying my model and claiming it for his own!" Anyone
buy that? Kev
bknjlell
Frank Tauss <fta...@erols.com> wrote in article
<356E13...@erols.com>...
<snip>
What I want to know is why Tamiya just doesn't
> make a new set of tracks for these, how much could it cost? Even just
> rubber block tracks in the same glueable material as the new tracks.
> Who would prefer that to DML links? I have a set of the damn DML links
> I'm gonna try removing the chevrons from to make plain block track.
I second the motion.. TAMIYA! do the track right please.
BTW damnDMLlinks is one word around my house. I have completed the track
for four models now and may still be sane...or not.
Jim E.
Birger Apelseth
VessIrvine wrote:
>
This discussion of errors or not is quite nice. From now we should
assume that any items we buy contains errors of some kind. How fun this
will be regarding kits and references? Nobody can claim that somebody
are right or wrong, IT COULD BE AN INTENTIONAL ERROR TO CATCH ILLEGAL
USE IN THEIR SOURCE. So can we trust the information people refer to
when reply to request for information? Or should one dedicate a site to
listing all the "intentional" errors we find in various items?
Any comments on this?
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Grnbe21505
I don't think the intentional error issue would be much to worry about. In
the case of the Titanic railings, one stanchion offset to the left or right by
.01 would hardly be detectable to us, but would be positive evidence of copying
by someone else if it had the same error. If plastic models were to follow
suit, there might be a missing rivet in an inconspicuous location, when, if
copied, would be a dead give-away. But it wouldn't take away anything from the
authenticity of the kit. (unless you are REALLY REALLY anal) Then it's time to
seek help!
I just wish the original poster well, as it seems a tough thing to prosecute
even when you are certain. Look at Acadamy's blatant rip-offs of Tamiya...
Carl Parlagreco
I had a book about allied POW's in WW2 many years back. In one
chapter, it talked about a bunch of escaped POW's using a silk map
that had been smuggled into them. They were trying to make their way
to Switzerland. Unfortunately, the part of the map that they were
looking at had the infamous deliberate mistake, put in by the
publisher. It went on to discuss how this was done by all map makers
to protect their work.
Unfortunately, I can't remember the name of the book, and I don't even
know where it might be these days.
"Jose Altube" <alt...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Hope you never drive at midnight across some place forgotten by God, find
>gas is low, go to a place shown in the map and find....NOTHING!!!.
>
>John Beaderstadt <be...@together.net> wrote in article
><356C90...@together.net>...
>> rfranklin wrote:
>> >
>> > On Wed, 27 May 1998 12:53:38 -0400, John Beaderstadt
>> > <be...@together.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >** BOB SIGMAN *** wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> FWIW, every map (except, perhaps, the U. S. Geological maps)
>has
>> > >> an error. All those maps you buy at the gas station are wrong.The
>guys
>> > >> who make the maps know the error. If you copy their maps and sell
>them,
>> > >> they will catch you and sue you...
>> > >
>> > >Does this fall under "urban legend" or "conspiracy theory"?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Probably true. There are fictious entries in encyclopedias.
>> > WRF
>>
>> I'd have to see some examples.
Jet Jaguar
On 31 May 1998 14:26:37 GMT, grnbe...@aol.com (Grnbe21505) wrote:
> I don't think the intentional error issue would be much to worry about. In
>the case of the Titanic railings, one stanchion offset to the left or right by
>.01 would hardly be detectable to us, but would be positive evidence of copying
>by someone else if it had the same error. If plastic models were to follow
>suit, there might be a missing rivet in an inconspicuous location, when, if
>copied, would be a dead give-away. But it wouldn't take away anything from the
>authenticity of the kit. (unless you are REALLY REALLY anal) Then it's time to
>seek help!
> I just wish the original poster well, as it seems a tough thing to prosecute
>even when you are certain. Look at Acadamy's blatant rip-offs of Tamiya...
Actually, there apparently is a minor error with the GMM set. It is
explained at the following web page:
http://www.flash.net/~rfm/MODELING/guide.html
It is all the way at the very bottom of the page (it's a *long* page),
about the second or third paragraph from the bottom. To paraphrase,
the forecastle deck railing posts in the GMM set have 4' center
spacing, but the actual Titanic had 5' centers. The web page goes
into more detail about this. So, if the other set also has this same
inaccurate spacing, then this should be proof of copying.
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Jet Jaguar
Thanks to spammers, I don't post my email address to usenet. Sorry.
MSTie #54297
The Face on Mars issue is dead. Deal with it, and move on.
Sean Winterberg
Go to the message board(or my homepage) on my page where Loren Perry of
GMM posted about the GMM bootleg sets. It has an update too. It will
clear everything up(I hope)..
Sean W.
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