Grumbach oil paints which thin with water
Peter Wisniewski
Water and oil don't mix : Those are Acrylic paints. As you mentioned,
Grumbacher makes both - Acrylic (water thinnable) and the standard
oil paints.
Peteski
Jeff Garbutt wrote:
>
> I just discovered a paint at my local artists shop which I thought
> I'd share with the group If you guys or gals don't already know about it
> (I'll bet I am the only guy who didn't know about this stuff). The name
> of the company is Grumbach and they make a line of oil based paints which
> thin and wash up with water. I found that the raw sienna, burnt umber and
> burnt sienna's make fantastic weathering agents and the fact that they
> clean and wash up with water makes them all the more convenient. I was
> talking to the owner who said that the company also makes a line which
> thins with Linseed oil.
> The paint comes in tubes and is a bit pricey at 4.50 a tube but I
> loved the results. I don't have the full name or address of the company
> with me but I will in about a couple of hours and post then.
Terry Sumner
That must be quite a trick......getting an oil-based paint to thin
with water?
Terry
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Jeffrey A. Garbutt
In article <3597F8...@nospm.ebsinc.com>, pet...@nospm.ebsinc.com
says...
> Water and oil don't mix : Those are Acrylic paints. As you mentioned,
> Grumbacher makes both - Acrylic (water thinnable) and the standard
> oil paints.
>
surprised when I talked to the lady who ran the store. But the
Label reads:
Max Grumbacher Raw Sienna Artist's Oil Color
Vehicle: Alkali Refined Linseed oil, Modified Vegetable drying oil-
pigment: Natural Iron Oxide.
Like I said, this stuff cleans with water and washes up with
water.
I do confess I'm not quite sure about the chemical composition of Acrylic
but I never thought it was composed of Linseed oil.
For anybody who cares the address reads M. Grumbacher, Inc.
Bloomsbury New Jersey 08804
Phone number is 908 479-4124
Jeff Garbutt
Percy Bjorklund
>Water and oil don't mix : Those are Acrylic paints. As you mentioned,
>Grumbacher makes both - Acrylic (water thinnable) and the standard
>oil paints.
>
>Peteski
Actually, There's at least four labels of this kind of paint.:
Grumbachers as mentioned, and
Talens "Van Gogh H2O"
Winsor Newton "Artisan"
and a brand issued by Edward Munch Society.
I have no experience with Grumbachers version, but earlier experience
with other Grumbacher products have made me somewhat "unattentive" to
Grumbacher. (That does NOT mean that Grumbacher may not be _THE_
choice this time, just because I didn't like their watercolors.)
None of the others is of particularly exciting quality, as compared to
W&N "Artist" label, Rowney "Artist" label, L&B old discontinued "401"
label (haven't tried their new "Artist" label) or Talens "Rembrandt"
label. Even so, W&N "Artisan" is the oil I use these days, for picture
painting (not models). The advantage to be free of the fumes from
turpentine or white spirit and the convenience of water cleanup is
worth it.
The reason I prefer "Artisan" is that these are the most "honest" and
resemble traditional oils the most. They are made from "the real
stuff", linseed oil and safflower oil that has been "modified" to be
water soluble. Drying times differ with the identity of the pigment
and are the same as for traditional oils.
Talens "H2O" and "Edward Munch" by contrast, are made with unspecified
"modified vegetable oil" that has completely wrong "feel", has wrong
refractory index, looks "dead", and dries way too fast. Frankly, I
don't entirely understand the logic of these ranges. If it's fast
drying, "dead" look, and water soluble you want, why not just go for
Acrylics? They might be just great for weathering models though, so
don't give up on them, just because I don't like painting with them.
Another thing is that "Artisan", though a small range, contains the
right pigments under the right names! Traditional, honest, responsible
and proper!
"Edward Munch" on the other hand, though prepared to a high standard,
have undeclared pigments under totally nondescript fantasy names!
Brands like that always gives me the creeps. Yeeach!
I'm not happy with the pigment selection available in "H2O" either,
but that's a personal thing.
While "Artisan" pigment selection lives up to "Artist" standard, I
think all of these ranges must be considered, in preparation, to be of
"student/academy" quality. Thus roughly corresponding to ranges like:
W&N "Winton", Rowney "Georgian", Talens "Van Gogh", Grumbacher
"Academy", L&B "Louvre" etc.
Percy
Peter Wisniewski
I guess that I can't just be correct 100% of the time.
Looks like I could have been wrong ;(
There are some weird items out there (like this one).
Peteski
Jeffrey A. Garbutt wrote:
>
> In article <3597F8...@nospm.ebsinc.com>, pet...@nospm.ebsinc.com
> says...
> > Water and oil don't mix : Those are Acrylic paints. As you mentioned,
> > Grumbacher makes both - Acrylic (water thinnable) and the standard
> > oil paints.
> >
Jeff Garbutt
In article <3598bcae...@nntpserver.swip.net>,
percy.b...@mbox200.swipnet.se says...
>(snip)
Yes you are definitely correct about the dry time; it really seems
fast. I haven't used this stuff for anything but weathering. But I do
like the results. For some reason if I use the material right out of the
tube instead of diluting it before application it seems to provide a more
realistic feel in terms of rust scrapes, scratches etc.
Thanks for the info on the product.
Cathy/Andy Irving
Peter Wisniewski wrote:
>
> I guess that I can't just be correct 100% of the time.
> Looks like I could have been wrong ;(
> There are some weird items out there (like this one).
>
> Peteski
>
I thought that I was wrong once, but I was mistaken!
Andy
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Peteski
Patrick Scott
I've used the Grumbacher MAX paints for a while (posted this news to the
group a loooong time ago....). Anyway, I have found that the pigments do not
seem to be ground as finely as "true" oils. That said, the MAX paints do
work. I recommend putting just a touch of detergent in the water used to
thin the pain to aid in wetting. Otherwise, you may get uneven distribution
of the pigmentation.
They are a helluva lot easier to use than regular oils, and no stinky mess!
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