Most UNwanted Kit
Joseph D. Farrell
I'd like to hear from you all!
Sean Fallesen
How about more new Bf-109 kits? Now THOSE are everywhere!!
Randall Kloko
RK Kloko
Daniel Carroll
>Hi all, how bout a postof our most UNwanted kits,
> my vote is more 1/72 or 1/48 P51 and F16 models,
> the damn things are everywhere and none of them are very
>good. Why do we need more!
You have odviously never had to build a monogram P-51D in
1/48 because it was what was available. The Hasegawa and Tamiya
P-51s in 1/48 (heck even in 1/72) are VERY good and I for one
cannot wait for the Tamiya P-51B.
Having said that, I think my most unwanted model would have to be a
Lindberg 1/48 scale P-51D
>I'd like to hear from you all!
--Frank Crenshaw.
Please send email to fccr...@usgs.gov
Ed Rudnicki
Joseph D. Farrell <ERI...@Neca.com> wrote:
>Hi all, how bout a postof our most UNwanted kits, my vote is more 1/72 or 1/48 P51 and F16 models, the damn things are everywhere and none of them are very good. Why do we need more!
>
I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
actually saw combat, from other countries.
Ed Rudnicki
erud...@pica.army.mil
Oculis numquam claudentibus
Scott Hemsley
: I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
: and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
: actually saw combat, from other countries.
(sound of rousing cheers of agreement & loud clapping are heard!)
Scott
Bermuda High School
F4U-4 (an accurate one). What about the lack of US Navy subjects in
1/48? Why does USAF get all the attention?
Jeff Cooper
>I'd like to hear from you all!
Another "fantasy" WW II German project. They're good, but I'm already
drowning in marshmallows.
Jeff C
Ed Rudnicki
In article <frank-02119...@ts17-16.wla.ts.ucla.edu>,
Frank Henriquez <fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu> wrote:
>In article <DHE0n...@pica.army.mil>, erud...@pica.army.mil (Ed
>Rudnicki) wrote:
>
>>I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
>>and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
>>actually saw combat, from other countries.
>
>don't buy them...
>
> I want to see more German paper designs...sure beats the 700th vesion of
>an Me 109G, F-14 or a Panther tank.
Did I say something to warrant this flame? The original poster asked
for responses on kits that one does not like to see more of, like
the umpteenth version of a particular system, just like in your
second paragraph. I responded that I'm tired of seeing these science
fiction kits. They don't offend me, and I don't buy them; I simply
said that I'd like to see more kits that depict real weapons.
It's funny, reading other newsgroups I keep thinking that people are
losing the ability to disagree politely, and accept differing
opinions. Your posting tells me that that attitude may be finding
its way here, and I'm sorry to see that.
Devon Terpening
awesome. These designs ought to last forever. Time for the manufacturers to
move on to other subjects.
-Devon
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: de...@tardo.lkg.dec.com : Littleton, MA
Andrew Abshier
make it off the ground, much less the drawing board! Granted,
the designs were interesting, but shouldn't most of it be in the
realm of vacuform or resin kits?
Andy
Brian MacNamara
Scott Hemsley <shem...@acs.ryerson.ca> wrote:
>Ed Rudnicki (erud...@pica.army.mil) wrote:
>: I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
>: and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
>: actually saw combat, from other countries.
>
Only to be drowned out by the sound of multitudes booing, hissing, and
pleading for more! ;>
These have been an interest of mine since I was a kid, and considering their
success, of many others too. Let's face it, there's room for all on the
hobby store shelves!
Personally I'm tired of seeing more and more F-14's F-15's F-16's, and
Sherman tanks, but I'm still willing to paw my way past them to the
interesting kits! ;)
But then, that is what this thread is all about isn't it!
/Brian
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-D.WELLS
>I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
>and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
>actually saw combat, from other countries.
German science fiction isn't inherently bad, (after all, Ed, some might
consider Mackensens and Ersatz Yorcks German Science Fiction, and I think
that you'd like to see them as much as I would) but I agree that it
shouldn't crowd out other important "real" weapons. Still, even though I've
never done a tank, I admit that I did consider buying that DML Maus.
I'd rather have an H class BB or an O class BC, though...
David "It'll never happen" Wells
"There seems to be something wrong | David R. Wells
with our bloody ships today" | AT&T Bell Labs? Holmdel, NJ
Adm. D. Beatty, May 31, 1916 | Email: drw...@hogpa.att.com
DISCLAIMER: I don't speak for AT&T, and they don't speak for me.
Paul A. Owen
We need a new Panther A. The recent one from Italeri is poor. Tamiya
is supposed to be bringing out an A.
Paul.
.
Charlie Walker
: Hi all, how bout a postof our most UNwanted kits, my vote is more 1/72 or 1/48 P51 and F16 models, the damn things are everywhere and none of them are very good. Why do we need more!
: I'd like to hear from you all!
--
No more Panther/Tiger 1/35th kits. Next they'll release Hitler's
projected "Invasion of the Moon" Panther space tank.
Regards, Charlie Walker - cwa...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca
Steve New
ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charlie Walker) writes:
>
>
>No more Panther/Tiger 1/35th kits. Next they'll release Hitler's
>projected "Invasion of the Moon" Panther space tank.
>
>Regards, Charlie Walker - cwa...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca
>
scheduled for a December release.
Steve L. New
ne...@ix.netcom.com
Just an armadillo on the shoulder of the information superhighway.
Frank Henriquez
Rudnicki) wrote:
>Did I say something to warrant this flame?
I don't think it was a flame. Your original attitude was that if it didn't
see action, it's some fantasy kit. I think there's plenty of room for all
kinds of kits - if you don't like a particular type, don't buy it. Calling
German paper designs "Nazi Science Fiction" is a bit of flame baiting in
itself, since many of the principals that lead to these designs were later
incorporated into "real" aircraft, after the war.
--
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fr...@ucla.edu -or- fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu
AMPSOne
not seeing the light of day as kits (e.g. T-55s) and exotica like the
E-100 is there is a skew in priorities. Reliable info is that most of the
German kits are designed for the Japanese home market and not for foreign
sales. The man does have a very good point that these exotica are a
seemingly unhappy diversion of mold costs which (a) the manufacturer is
really hoping to get back in a hurry from Japan and (b) are out ot touch
with the rest of the world.
Cookie Sewell
AMPS
P.S. Yes, I too am not happy in seeing another Panther or another Tiger
and many other models skipped -- remember it was the Russians who finally
did a kit of the Valentine.
Frank Henriquez
>The anti-paper models folks do have a point. When more common things are
>not seeing the light of day as kits (e.g. T-55s) and exotica like the
>E-100 is there is a skew in priorities.
Why? maybe some people (the majority buying the kits?) don't really care
for yet another Russian tank, and want exotic WWII German designs...
>sales. The man does have a very good point that these exotica are a
>seemingly unhappy diversion of mold costs which (a) the manufacturer is
>really hoping to get back in a hurry from Japan and (b) are out ot touch
>with the rest of the world.
So what? I want more German paper designs, and if there are enough like me
in the rest of the world, and the model companies see an opportunity to
make a buck, then that's what's going to get produced. As it is, most of
the companies producing paper designs are small German, Czech and Polish
concerns, with limited production runs and cottage industry technology -
they're certainly not "wasting valuable and precious molds" since they
probably wouldn't be producing common subjects, anyways...they'd be
producing stuff like the Polish tankettes, which I'm sure *somebody* will
complain about - after all, they barely saw any serious action...
Eventually they'll run out of subjects, and the modeling world will get
back to the 12th variant of the Winter 1951 version of Sherman with the
SQUARE bolts, and we'll all be happy.
Frank
James Corley
fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (Frank Henriquez) writes:
>
>In article <DHFrD...@pica.army.mil>, erud...@pica.army.mil (Ed
>Rudnicki) wrote:
>
>>Did I say something to warrant this flame?
>I don't think it was a flame. Your original attitude was that if it
didn't
>see action, it's some fantasy kit. I think there's plenty of room for
all
>kinds of kits - if you don't like a particular type, don't buy it.
Calling
>German paper designs "Nazi Science Fiction" is a bit of flame baiting
in
>itself, since many of the principals that lead to these designs were
later
>incorporated into "real" aircraft, after the war.
>
It is these ""real" aircraft" that I would like to build. How about an
A3D in 1/72? Vautour?
Ragnar Eckhoff
>So what? I want more German paper designs, and if there are enough like me
>in the rest of the world, and the model companies see an opportunity to
>make a buck, then that's what's going to get produced.
Yes indeed! That's just the problem. As long as the world just cries out for
more paper subjects that's what the manufacturers will make. I just wish I could
get the world to cry for MY favourites...
Ragnar E.
[snip]
Ernest Yeung
: Don't tell anyone, but I hear that DML has the "space tank"
: scheduled for a December release.
Gosh, you are _not_ serious, are you????
I want my T-55!!! I know of several people that would pay good money for
_several_ T-55 kits. So why not!?!?!
Ernest
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University of Waterloo - 3rd Year Electrical Engineering
http://calum.uwaterloo.ca/~e2yeung
Ed Rudnicki
-D.WELLS <drw...@hogpg.ho.att.com> wrote:
>Ed Rudnicki (erud...@pica.army.mil) wrote:
>>I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
>>and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
>>actually saw combat, from other countries.
>
>German science fiction isn't inherently bad, (after all, Ed, some might
>consider Mackensens and Ersatz Yorcks German Science Fiction, and I think
>that you'd like to see them as much as I would) but I agree that it
>shouldn't crowd out other important "real" weapons. Still, even though I've
>never done a tank, I admit that I did consider buying that DML Maus.
Ah, but I did say _WW2_ German science fiction..... :)
Besides, there are a hell of a lot of Great War ships that were
built and served in combat, and will likely never be seen in kit
form. Meanwhile, we have still another kit of an Me-666, based on a
sketch drawn on a napkin found in the bathroom trash can of the
Messerschmitt plant after it was taken over by the Allies :) :)
And I never said these kits were bad, remember. The point of this
thread is to state what we'd like to see less of, and I'd like to
see less of these.
>I'd rather have an H class BB or an O class BC, though...
I'd like to see a LUETZOW/DERFFLINGER (complete kit that is), or a
USS BROOKLYN (the real one, Armored Cruiser No. 3), or (yes he's
going to say it :) some of the odd French predreadnought BBs
(finally found some good books on these at least).
Ed Rudnicki
In article <frank-04119...@ts34-10.wla.ts.ucla.edu>,
Frank Henriquez <fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu> wrote:
>In article <DHFrD...@pica.army.mil>, erud...@pica.army.mil (Ed
>Rudnicki) wrote:
>>Did I say something to warrant this flame?
>I don't think it was a flame. Your original attitude was that if it didn't
>see action, it's some fantasy kit. I think there's plenty of room for all
>kinds of kits - if you don't like a particular type, don't buy it. Calling
>German paper designs "Nazi Science Fiction" is a bit of flame baiting in
>itself, since many of the principals that lead to these designs were later
>incorporated into "real" aircraft, after the war.
But the whole point of this thread was to describe kits that one
does not want to see more of. I did that, and you pinged me for it,
so I see no need to be civil, though I will try.
And I stand by the comment of their being "science fiction" (and
note that I said _German_; you said _Nazi_) - despite DML's and
other's lurid cover art, this materiel never saw combat. There's
nothing wrong with modeling these of course; it's the fact that
there are so many of these kits out there while real, combat-
proven systems from other nations are ignored that causes me to
dislike these kits.
Steven Malikoff
: Ed Rudnicki (erud...@pica.army.mil) wrote:
: : I'd like to see fewer WW2 German science fiction kits, both armor
: : and aircraft, particularly from DML, and more kits of weapons that
: : actually saw combat, from other countries.
: (sound of rousing cheers of agreement & loud clapping are heard!)
I'm suprised at your demeaning attitude. Shouldn't modellers be
thankful for any new developments, and supportive of different genres?
Variety in my local model shop is practically dead, unless you just have
to have the latest Tamiyitalajimigram release of the Bf-109 variant K,
or another F-14 or Sherman. You could leave those differences to be
covered by magazine articles. I can just imagine... "Add this radio aerial
from stretched sprue to convert a Bf-109X into a Bf-109Z".
My mail-order supplier tells me that the new Special Hobby kits of
German 'fantasy' releases are the fastest selling stock he has had.
Even his resin kits of paper designs have all gone, much to my chagrin.
Many of the designs were concieved and wind-tunnel tested; and that to
me signifies good intention that they would have produced a prototype
had they had the time. (Thankfully they didn't).
If you want to denigrate 'fantasy' models, then have a go at the people
who build Star Trek / DS9 / Bubblegum 5/ Star Wars stuff. You might get
royally toasted. You can get a kit of the Enterprise with all three
variants, "original", "movie" and "Next Gen", and people still then have
to ask whether they have the correct colour scheme for them! But, people
being what they are don't all have to like the same things; and more power
to you if you want another 1/700 Tirpitz. I hope you get it.
And finally, I don't think that these paper projects are taking a big
piece of the major kit manufacturer's resources. Many are produced by
small european companies. From what I see in 'Hobby Japan' magazine,
Japanese manufacturers are continuing their love affair with Battletech
stuff and Manga figurines. Piles of them. And I thought they were just
a passing fad when I lived in Japan 20 years ago. As you americans say,
"Go Figure".
Steve Malikoff.
ste...@telerate.com.au
Ed Rudnicki
>The anti-paper models folks do have a point. When more common things are
>not seeing the light of day as kits (e.g. T-55s) and exotica like the
>German kits are designed for the Japanese home market and not for foreign
>seemingly unhappy diversion of mold costs which (a) the manufacturer is
>really hoping to get back in a hurry from Japan and (b) are out ot touch
>with the rest of the world.
While we can comment all we want on not wanting to see these kits,
whether yet another Panther or Tiger or the German experimentals,
it's been pointed out repeatedly that the German stuff sells, and
sells worldwide. That's why we see more and more of it.
I've also read that modern Russian armor sells poorly, which is a
real shame as they're the most innovative in terms of system design
these days.
Ed Rudnicki
In article <frank-05119...@ts31-3.wla.ts.ucla.edu>,
Frank Henriquez <fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu> wrote:
>the companies producing paper designs are small German, Czech and Polish
>concerns, with limited production runs and cottage industry technology -
>they're certainly not "wasting valuable and precious molds" since they
>probably wouldn't be producing common subjects, anyways...they'd be
>producing stuff like the Polish tankettes, which I'm sure *somebody* will
>complain about - after all, they barely saw any serious action...
You rang? :)
Actually this is a gripe of mine. The Polish TK series tankettes
had a production run of several thousand, and unlike the Maus and
E-100 they actually saw combat, albeit rather unsuccessfully. And
they were used by the Germans in subsidiary roles afterwards. In
terms of actual utility they were far more meaningful than a Maus,
though of course they were not as "glamorous".
Besides, they'd be a tiny little kit even in 1/35, unlike the big
(and high priced) late-war German armor.
>Eventually they'll run out of subjects, and the modeling world will get
>back to the 12th variant of the Winter 1951 version of Sherman with the
>SQUARE bolts, and we'll all be happy.
Or an E-50, and then you'd be happy :) :)
Brian MacNamara
it, for every subject made into a model, there's someone who really wants it,
and someone else who thinks it's taking away from the only subjects that
matter (i.e. what that person builds).
What I really don't want to see any more of are kits that are so out of
shape that they only bother to have a passing relation to their target
subject.
I also think that when a really good kit of a subject has been produced, we
don't need every other manufacturer to jump on the same bandwagon and make
their version of the same subject -- there are lots of other subjects out
there guys, we don't need 17 perfect kits of the ABC/1 Mark C late variant.
Anyone else tired of every manufacterer trying to duplicate each others
efforts?
Now if there is a kit that fits the first category i mentioned (let's say
you wind up with something on the market that looks more like one of those
egg-planes, but isn't supposed to), then yeah, let's have another one from
someone else -- provided they can do it right, and not just make it a leetle
beet closer to the proper shape.
Anyway, enough ranting (but it sure feels good!!!) ;)
David Allen
that another(excellent, detailed, accurate etc) monogram kit with RAISED
PANNEL LINES is probably my most unwanted kit. I can realy appreciate the
kits for the excellent subjects and I also have to admit that converting a
1/48 A-26 Invader to the K series is one of my next projects but I just
would like not to have to deal with those pannel lines. I guess I will
just have to get skilled enough with the scribing tool to add my own
rescesed lines. Does anyone share my view?.
Ps Kinda cheeting here as my most WANTED kit may be the Classic
Airframes Defiant in 1/48 available ? when.
David Allen.
Frank Henriquez
hor...@hulaw1.harvard.edu wrote:
>2. German science fiction kits are marketed deceptively. When I look through a
>store shelf or a catalog, I often see one of these kits and am momentarily
>deceived into thinking I am looking at a model airplane. It takes me a few
>seconds to realize that I am looking at a model of someone's (often not very
>clever or realistic) fantasy, wasting time I could have spent examining
>something I might actually buy.
All this talk of "German Science Fiction" kits makes me wonder...just
where are they? let's see:
DML has 1/48 kits of the Me 262 and its variants...true, many of the
variants didn't see combat, but they were built and flown. They also have
a kit of the Ho-229...which was built and flown, and of the two seat
night-fighter. OK, it was under construction...let's call that #1. They
also have two kits of the Natter. Built, flown, almost operational.
In 1/72, they have their Ar 234 line. Both B and C models flew, including
the BN night fighter. They have two Ar 234C variants that never flew - the
Ar 234/V1 combination and the Ar 234/E.381 combo...although all the
aircraft were built, the E.381 never flew...it so happens that the V1 in
this kit combination is one of the best V-1s in 1/72, but I'll call it a
fanatasy kit...so that's fantasy kits #2 & #3.
They have a kit of the He 162 and a Mistel variant - obvious shameless
fantasy - #4.
They also have the Me P.1101, which was built and would have flown -
instead, it was used as inspiration for the "clone" that did fly, the Bell
X-5. They also have a night fighter version - kit #5.
They have kits of the Do 335, built & flown, but some of the variants were
just designs. Let's hit them with 1 fantasy kit here: #6
Revell/Matchbox has their ancient Ar 234 kit that includes the V1 design.
Let's give that 1/2 a kit...
Revell has a kit of the Ho 229.
Huma (a *tiny* German company) does specialize in German paper designs.
The have the DM1 glider (which was built) the Me 309 (built and flown) Me
P.1101, Hs 132 (built, probably flown by the Russians) Me 609 (not built
- #7.5) DFS 228 (built, flown) DFS 346 (built & flown) He 280 (built,
flown), Triebflugel (not built = #8.5), Me 328 (built, flown).
MPM has a gazillion Me 262 variants, all built & flown, except for the
Mistel version. #9.5
There's the Mauve kit of the P.13a - under construction, but that doesn't
count - #10.5
And then we get to Special Hobby, with three kits, two were never built
and one, the FW "Flitter" was under construction. Screw'em. #13.5
So, we're talking about 13, hell, let's just say 20 fantasy kits out of
about 40 that you guys find so offensive. Sheesh.
>I'm not denigrating these, but I am glad they are over in a different part of
>the hobby shop. I think it would be great if the German fantasy kits were also
>shelved over with the sci-fi stuff. (Although, BTW, an argument could be made
>that the sci-fi stuff is more "real" than the German fantasy kits, since at
>least there are prototypes to be modeled, even if they themselves are only
>models or even only images -- they are often articulated to a greater degree of
>detail than whatever serves as the basis for the German fantasy kits.)
This is just malicious ignorance, August.
dma...@fn1.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
favourably-anticipated kits and most unwanted kits begs a response from
me. My most unwanted kit will be the very next pressing of NCC-1701/2266
that is not substantially retooled to better represent the large studio
model. Come on, you lunkheads at AMT, what's the problem?? Can you not
even update the decal sheet, for crying out loud? What about the nacelle
end caps, and those scabby things that are beginning to obscure the
detail? How about the bridge and science decks, which are
malproportioned? What about the freaking elevator shaft, which is'nt even
attached to the upper two decks??? AARRGG!! This will INDEED be my MOST
UNWANTED KIT. Look for it on the shelves any day now.
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: In <47ddt7$g...@main.freenet.hamilton.on.ca>
: ab...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (Charlie Walker) writes:
: >
: >
: >No more Panther/Tiger 1/35th kits. Next they'll release Hitler's
: >projected "Invasion of the Moon" Panther space tank.
: >
: >Regards, Charlie Walker - cwa...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca
: Don't tell anyone, but I hear that DML has the "space tank"
: scheduled for a December release.
At least someone should put out the BEST sci-fi tank of all time, GUNHED,
from the Japanese sci-fi movie. It'll sure make my day over the sci-fi
Nazi toys everyone seems to be deluged with...
: Steve L. New
Mark Cart
Tauro 1/48 Macchi MC202 as one of the *worst* kits I've ever run across.
Nothing fits right, the plastic is horribly soft and tears very easily,
the panel lines look like they've been made with a shovel, etc. The only
redeeming feature is the huge number of decals and the version/theatre
information. What a disappointment, particularly as it had the potential
to be a great kit, what with all the interior detail.
Mark
William Thomas Lewis Jr.
>
>
> Oh fer crying out loud, people!!!! Whataya want, another version of of a P-51!?!
Alot of us like those "what if" kits and if you don't like don't buy em!!!!!
Keep'em coming DML!!!!!!!!!
MLDHOC
Soviet/Russian stuff. And they were sooo.. close to doing a decent (read
as better than everything else out there) T55. It does not seem to matter
that the former Soviet Union made how many of them and sold them to how
many countries. The 6, 3 or however many mice managed to get built are
more popular.. But the E100-Maus crowd wins out in the end..
This puts me squarely on the "No more WWII German SF" catagory. German
WWII just sells better .
Gepanzertes Katzchen
I rather like T55's myself, its fun finding really obscure versions to build,
(ie: the Egyptian T55's that were upgunned by Vickers and wound up in
OPFOR units of the British army!)
The reason why DML flooded the market with Soviet armour is because
so many people (myself included) were screaming for it!
DML just seems to like building obscure stuff like the MAUS and the
BRDM-2 etc
Keep it up DML!
DML needs to learn more about making there kits look like the pictures,
(there Sherman firefly kit is missing a large turret hatch)
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They don't understand...
...We make our own rules!
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Graham Collins
>I guess I'm one of the ten people on the planet who liked DML's modern
>Soviet/Russian stuff. And they were sooo.. close to doing a decent (read
>as better than everything else out there) T55. It does not seem to matter
>that the former Soviet Union made how many of them and sold them to how
>many countries. The 6, 3 or however many mice managed to get built are
>more popular.. But the E100-Maus crowd wins out in the end..
>This puts me squarely on the "No more WWII German SF" catagory. German
>WWII just sells better .
>
>
I wonder who the other eight people are?
I have just returned to the hobby in the last 3 years or so after little
in the modeling for the past 20. I was somewhat motivated to start again
as I found that there were a great number or "new" Soviet armour and
aircraft kits being made available. I was disappointed by problems with
the accuracy of some of the kits and to top it all off the source has
seemed to dry up somewhat. What am I working on now? German armour.
Why? availablity of kits and documentation!
Whoever said is correct, German WW II sells but I'll be dammed if I can
figure out why!
cheers, Graham
Rafael Rodriguez
>I'd like to nominate the...
>
>Tauro 1/48 Macchi MC202 as one of the *worst* kits I've ever run across.
>
>Nothing fits right, the plastic is horribly soft and tears very easily,
>the panel lines look like they've been made with a shovel, etc. The
I most agree with you. But the real bitter disappointment was to finsh it
into a passable model a few weeks before Hasegawa released its 1/48
MC202. What a waste of modelling effort on my part!!
Rafael
Darrin M. Tanaka
>
>I guess I'm one of the ten people on the planet who liked DML's modern
>Soviet/Russian stuff. And they were sooo.. close to doing a decent (read
>as better than everything else out there) T55. It does not seem to matter
>that the former Soviet Union made how many of them and sold them to how
>many countries. The 6, 3 or however many mice managed to get built are
>more popular.. But the E100-Maus crowd wins out in the end..
>This puts me squarely on the "No more WWII German SF" catagory. German
>WWII just sells better .
>
>
Make that 11 people.... Too bad too, I really liked the kits. Guess now
we will never see a BMP-3......
hor...@hulaw1.harvard.edu
fr...@bnkl01.astro.ucla.edu (Frank Henriquez) said:
>
> All this talk of "German Science Fiction" kits makes me wonder...just
> where are they? let's see:
[enlightening discussion of what counts as such a kit]
>
> So, we're talking about 13, hell, let's just say 20 fantasy kits out of
> about 40 that you guys find so offensive. Sheesh.
My own count of fantasy kits might come out somewhat higher than yours, because
for me, just because an experimental prototype was flown, does not mean that a
model of the a/c in full combat dress is not a fantasy. But the point is moot.
Those of us who indicated that we could do without more of these kits were not
making any point about how many of these kits are out there. However many your
personal calculus arrives at, in our opinions it is more than enough - FOR US.
And in response to my comment:
>>I'm not denigrating these, but I am glad they are over in a different part of
>>the hobby shop. I think it would be great if the German fantasy kits were
>>shelved over with the sci-fi stuff. (Although, BTW, an argument could be
made
>>that the sci-fi stuff is more "real" than the German fantasy kits, since at
>>least there are prototypes to be modeled, even if they themselves are only
>>models or even only images -- they are often articulated to a greater degree
>>of detail than whatever serves as the basis for the German fantasy kits.)
Frank said:
> This is just malicious ignorance, August.
Wrong twice, Frank. I explicitly disavowed malice in the very paragraph you
quoted, and I was fully aware how far each of the German projects got. My
point was that a well articulated movie vehicle can carry more indicia of
reality than a conjectural combat development of a research prototype or set of
drawings. It's OK if you can't handle that premise, but we can do without the
flames.
August <hor...@hulaw1.harvard.edu>
Jens Håkon Brandal
Yes, please - the really definitive Mustang kit has not yet been released:) A really nice
Spitfire Mk 8/9 in 1:48 would be high on my wishlist. Add to that a DeHavilland Hornet
to the same scale and a range of Mosquitoes in 1:72nd - wow!
With so many significant subjects just waiting to be kitted, I cannot understand the seemingly
neverending demand for kits of more or less imaginary subjects. I asked the guy at the
Czechmasters' stand at the UK IPMS Nats if he was willing to bring out a kit of the Northrop
YF-17 Cobra if I made the masters, and he made all sorts of excuses. Obviously money talks...
Oh, well I've got enough kits to last me two lifetimes anyway...
Jens
DWang24046
USA myself, I can understand how some of the Asian manufacturers are
trying as hard as they can to get a share of the fatty Japanese market, &
I can assure you that a lot Japanese are still hanging on tight to those
good old "glory" days!
Lee
known. There are 4+ t-72 at cfb gagetown, plenty of pictures via CAMS
459-8444. I've built the italeri KUZNETZOV 1/720, nice boat terrible planes.
Brian Burr Chin
> I would like to join Ed, Scott, and the others in casting my vote for German
> WW2 science fiction kits as the genre that we could most easily do
without more
> of.
Since WWII German modelling subjects have crowded most other subjects off
the store shelves, I'd consider any German kit to be science fiction. Just
how many Tiger and Feld Maus PanzerKampf Field Telex Wagons do we need,
anyway? The glut of German planes and armour adinfinitum on the market
bore the hell out of me. I think those hobbyists that cannot think of
building anything but German WWII need to grow up.
Paul A. Owen
You certainly are a cheerful fellow.
JWaters722
>Since WWII German modelling subjects have crowded most other subjects off
>the store shelves, I'd consider any German kit to be science fiction.
Just
>how many Tiger and Feld Maus PanzerKampf Field Telex Wagons do we need,
>anyway? The glut of German planes and armour adinfinitum on the market
>bore the hell out of me. I think those hobbyists that cannot think of
>building anything but German WWII need to grow up.
Pardon me, i build WW2 German armor with my wife, and i can tell you no
manufacture DML, Tamiya etc, has ever contacted me , to ask what kit i
want to see. The reason for the overabundace of WW2 kit's is they SELL,
and that's what the manufactures are in busuness for to make a profit.
Personaly i could care less about the Maus, or whatever, but again the
previous kit's ex, PantherF again SOLD. Personaly i think their are to
many kit's on the market that don't need to be their ex, cars, boats etc,
my hobby shop has more of these then Armor or planes. But it's up to the
modler himself for what he want's to build IMO, after all it's a hobby.
But never would i tell another modler "grow up" because of his choice of
kits, that's his business, as its the manufatures business to make money
and if he can do it pushing out German Sci-Fi armor then more power to
him.
I'll get off my soapbox now........................
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