Flower class Corvette's experts out there?
Eli Raphael
the following questions arise:
1. Are there any commercial paints already mixed for what the
instructions call for?
2. The paints that the kit's instr. use, are Humbrol?
3. Confusing what colors the deck and upper stations are finished?
4. Did the Flower class Corvettes had wooden decks? If so, were they
left unpainted?
Any other sugg or tips will be appr.
Thanking you,
--
Eli
"There are no experts...only varying degrees of ignorance"
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Steve Parkinson
http://www.djparkins.clara.net/gls/glsmast.htm
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Here are some sites to go on with Eli
will post the site for the book " warship perspectives" "Flower Class
corvettes in WW2 by John Lambert. when I can find it!!
All the best for the new year Steve.
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Stephen
wrote:
>
> After checking the 1/72 kit's painting instructions for the Snowberry,
> the following questions arise:
> 1. Are there any commercial paints already mixed for what the
> instructions call for?
Not as far as I know, but for the hull I'm using Humbrol 80 as "C" in the
Revell paint list, Humbrol 65 as "N", and I don't know exactly what to use
for "M" the main hull colour. I was going to use Humbrol 27 but it's too
dark. 64 or one of the very light greys may be better.
> 2. The paints that the kit's instr. use, are Humbrol?
No, they're Revell paint numbers. Below is a list of the equivalent Revell
numbers (where there are Humbrol colours that match the Revell ones, some
Revell numbers don't have equivalents):
Order is: Letter in paint list, Revell number, Humbrol number.
A 9 85
B 89 ?
C 45 102
C 5 34
D 75 ?
E 47 106
F 57 87
F 5 34
G 78 67
H 95 55
I 79 144
J 5 34
K 8 33
K 91 191
L 92 54
M 5 34
M 75 ?
N 55 65
N 57 87
O 86 26
P 8 33
Q 91 191
R 36 60
S 56 25
S 75 ?
T 35 148
U 56 25
V 88 63
As I said I'd use Humbrol no. 80 Matt Grass Green as "C", Humbrol no. 65
Matt Aircraft Blue as "N", and something like 64 Matt Light Grey as "M". It
would be useful if Revell would write down things like FS numbers rather
than ratios of their paints! Incidentally can anyone recommend a good
Humbrol paint for the basic hull colour (ie M) and any Humbrol equivalents
of Revell no's 89 and 75 as they're the only ones I'm missing.
> 3. Confusing what colors the deck and upper stations are finished?
For Snowberry, all decks and upper surfaces apart from the wooden decks are
either black (A), white (J), or light grey (E) but having just looked at the
painting instructions they make no sense!!!!! The diagrams in the back have
no key and they seem to contradict the instructions in various places. I'd
reccomend going to a few web pages and seeing what colour the decks are on
any pages you can find. I'd recommend going to
http://www.scale-models.freeserve.co.uk/hmcs-snowberry/page-sm06.html#TOP
and also going to somewhere like Altavista and searching for something like
+"Corvette"+"Flower class" and see what turns up. I also have some (rather
large) pics that someone E-mailed to me, I can send a copy of them to you if
you like.
> 4. Did the Flower class Corvettes had wooden decks? If so, were they
> left unpainted?
As far as I know the wooden parts of the decks were unpainted, except the
part at the front around the anchor winch which was painted black or grey
depending on how you interpret the painting instructions! Basically, all the
parts moulded in sand coloured plastic in the kit are supposed to be wooden
decks.
> Any other sugg or tips will be appr.
Are you converting the kit to radio control? If so E-mail me and I'll
explain a bit about it, give you some advice etc. BTW someone (Flightpath I
think) is releasing a massive amount of resin, white metal, and etched brass
bits for the kit, about 280 pounds worth total (money not weight! ;-) )
which replaces all the kit parts apart from the hull, propellor, rudder, and
funnel, plus a few other bits and bobs. Personally I think it's a bit of a
waste of money as I'll be sailing mine around when it's finished, but if
you're keen to make a really good replica, it might be worth a look.
> Thanking you,
>
-Steve
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Stephen Pearson rpea...@argonet.co.uk
Back from Universty for a few months... Kent, England
University E-mail address: cv7...@surrey.ac.uk
"It's a mother beautiful tank!!" - Oddball, "Kelly's Heroes"
This is good. Now we have to surrender our socks.
Stephen Tontoni
photo's or drawings if you like. My two references are Flower Class
Corvettes of the RCN and Agassiz (something or other; I don't recall the
whole title). I have a couple of pictures of Snowberry that I could scan
and post if you'd like.
In article <na.8e44d34a36....@argonet.co.uk>, Stephen
<rpea...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
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Stephen Tontoni
ton...@halcyon.com
Seattle, Washington
Erwin Van Deynze
<erap...@dsi.com.mx> wrote:
> After checking the 1/72 kit's painting instructions for the Snowberry,
> the following questions arise:
> 1. Are there any commercial paints already mixed for what the
> instructions call for?
No, you could use S&S RN paint chips, and mix you're own, or wait a little
longer because White Ensign Models will release its own batch of paints
based on the S&S chips somewhere in the foreseeable future. They will be
enamel-based and in the familiar tinlets that humbrol uses, so I've heard.
You can reach WEM who also has the S&S chips at :
http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenue/xdt22/index.htm
> 2. The paints that the kit's instr. use, are Humbrol?
As answered before, no, they're Revell Germany own brand. They do tend to
use very strange mixes at revell.
> 3. Confusing what colors the deck and upper stations are finished?
> 4. Did the Flower class Corvettes had wooden decks? If so, were they
> left unpainted?
> Any other sugg or tips will be appr.
Well as mentioned before, David Parkins from Flightpath-fame has released a
number of sets to enhance (in effect build a highly detailled corvette using
the kit for a very cheap hull) the Flower. He sells it under his Great
Little Ships brand. Just take a look at his website and follow the Great
Little Ships link. I have a couple of the sets and each one of them is a kit
in himself ! The sets are mostly PE and white metal with a little resin
trown in.
You can find David's site at :
http://www.djparkins.clara.net/djpmasterframe.htm
Sirmar did also have some sets for the Flower in resin. I have these also
and although an improvement over the kit, detail is very soft and blurry,
they need lots and lots of cleanup and filling of bubbles. I believe Sirmar
re-released them, but I haven't seen them yet.
As far as reference, there is the Anatomy Of The Ship Aggassiz. Very good
book, with tons of drawings downn to the smallest details, although it
focuses on a short forecastle Flower equipped with minesweeping gear, but it
has some very and I mean very good drawings on the long forecastle and
improved Flowers also. Sadly the book is out of print for some years by now
and fetches rather high prices on the second-hand market.
Also mentioned before is Flower Class Corvettes of the Royal Canadian Navy.
I believe this is also a very good book but I haven't seen it, so no further
comment on that.
WR Press recently released a book on the Flowers by John Lambert, a man with
a dedication to the Flowers no-one can match. It is fairly priced and has
masses information, foto's and drawings. Also included is a section
dedicated on the emblems painted on the funnels. Get this book while you
can, it's certainly is a must.
The best thing you can do is offcourse go to Canada and visit the HMCS
Sackville, the only preserved Flower left.
If you really want to go (even remotely) into ships then the Ship Modelling
Mailing List is a must. SMML is a daily newsletter moderated by out
listmaster Shane, who is doing a very fine job of it. The list has some of
the most knowledgeable people subscribed to it who are dying to share their
knowledge. Check out the website for more info and archives.
Hope to have been of help.
Erwin
PS I am in no way affiliated to WEM or Flightpath other than being a very
satisfied customer !
PPS just take care ! Flowers can be addictive ! ;-)
Stephen Tontoni
Snowberry. Sorry I don't have any color references.
aim your browser at:
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/geoduck100/snowberry1.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/geoduck100/snowberry2.jpg
Stephen
ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
>
> Although I can't help with color questions, I can provide some detailed
> photo's or drawings if you like. My two references are Flower Class
> Corvettes of the RCN and Agassiz (something or other; I don't recall the
> whole title). I have a couple of pictures of Snowberry that I could scan
> and post if you'd like.
I would like! :) I only realised how bad the painting instructions are when
I noticed that the diagram at the back seems to show the front of the
foredeck painted some shade of grey, the painting instructions show it
black, and the box side pics show it grey too. The instructions keep
contradicting themselves, in the building section (eg they have the
navigation lights shown upside down which I didn't notice til I'd glued them
in place...) as well as the painting section, so any help at all would be
much appreciated.
Shane & Lorna Jenkins
>
> In article <tontoni-0101...@blv-tnt0-1-ip95.nwnexus.net>,
> ton...@halcyon.com (Stephen Tontoni) wrote:
> >
> > Although I can't help with color questions, I can provide some detailed
> > photo's or drawings if you like. My two references are Flower Class
> > Corvettes of the RCN and Agassiz (something or other; I don't recall the
> > whole title). I have a couple of pictures of Snowberry that I could scan
> > and post if you'd like.
>
> I would like! :) I only realised how bad the painting instructions are when
> I noticed that the diagram at the back seems to show the front of the
> foredeck painted some shade of grey, the painting instructions show it
> black, and the box side pics show it grey too. The instructions keep
> contradicting themselves, in the building section (eg they have the
> navigation lights shown upside down which I didn't notice til I'd glued them
> in place...) as well as the painting section, so any help at all would be
> much appreciated.
> -Steve
Hi Steve & Stephen,
Check out the SMML site at:
Then search the backissue for info on Flowers.
Regards,
Shane
http://www.smml.org.uk/
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