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Masa Narita

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Apr 19, 2003, 10:31:49 AM4/19/03
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What is the best material for water diorama? Where can I find the good
article of how to make water diorama?

Thanks,

Masa

The Old Timer

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Apr 19, 2003, 12:08:03 PM4/19/03
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> What is the best material for water diorama? Where can I find the good
> article of how to make water diorama?

If you're talking about a base for a ship or boat, I'd suggest using Artist's
Acrylic Gel. It was discussed here a few months ago and I looked into it for an
old Pyro Outrigger canoe.
I smeared it on a base, mixed with a torquoise color mix. As the color turned
out to be too opaque, I added about four or five coats of straight clear gel,
shaped to show the waves.
After the gel dried and cured, about two or three days, I cut a slot out to
accomodate the canoe and fitted it in. Then I put down a final coat of gel to
lock everything in place. After a couple of days to cure and dry, the gel
turned reasonably clear (cloudy, but the turquoise base has the appearance of
depth that I hadn't counted on) and solid, including wave spume and spray that
I worked in with an ex-acto blade while it was drying.
Next boat, the Glencoe Coast Guard Rescue Boat!


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Mike Kucaba

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Apr 19, 2003, 3:16:04 PM4/19/03
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FSM had a pretty good method when they featured that huge 1/72nd scale Carrier.They used Celluclay and painted it.This may have been
because there was such a large area to cover.

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John S. DeBoo

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Apr 19, 2003, 7:31:24 PM4/19/03
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The Old Timer wrote:

> > What is the best material for water diorama? Where can I find the good
> > article of how to make water diorama?
>
> If you're talking about a base for a ship or boat, I'd suggest using Artist's
> Acrylic Gel. It was discussed here a few months ago and I looked into it for an
> old Pyro Outrigger canoe.
> I smeared it on a base, mixed with a torquoise color mix. As the color turned
> out to be too opaque, I added about four or five coats of straight clear gel,
> shaped to show the waves.

Any thoughts on what Future might look like as the final coat(s) for water?
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John S. DeBoo
jsd...@abq.com


The Old Timer

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Apr 19, 2003, 9:40:39 PM4/19/03
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> Any thoughts on what Future might look like as the final coat(s) for water?

Can't say; silly me, I've only used it as ~floor polish~!

William H. Shuey

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Apr 19, 2003, 9:50:00 PM4/19/03
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The Old Timer wrote:
>
> > Any thoughts on what Future might look like as the final coat(s) for water?
>
> Can't say; silly me, I've only used it as ~floor polish~!

SACRILEGE!

Bill Shuey

The Old Timer

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Apr 19, 2003, 9:53:37 PM4/19/03
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> Any thoughts on what Future might look like as the final coat(s) for water?

Okay, <smartass mode off>, I really don't know, but most of the photos that I
have seen in my National Geos (looking desperately for info on outriggers and
the South Seas) would indicate that the ocean water is somewhat cloudy from
dirt and sand in suspension in the shallower waters and where the water is
deeper, you can't see the bottom anyway. My biggest concern was getting the
shade of the water color close to correct; like I said, it came out better than
I had a right to expect.
Actually, truth be told, my son the art teacher suggested that I use an
artist's knife to spread the gel around. I did, but I think that a flat piece
of plastic, or wood might have worked just as well. (and been a lot cheaper
than the $5.00 that I shelled out for the artist's knife!) The biggest trick
was spreading the gel in ~almost~ the wave action that I wanted to show, and
then use the knife to ~kind of~ sculpt the gel to a more finished look.
Of course, at the past 'Con, I saw a Glencoe Coast Guard Rescue Boat (my next
project) storming through waves as high as the boat is long. Now I have to
figure out how the builder built that up, what he used as a core, etc.
I guess that's why God invented scratch paper......

e

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Apr 19, 2003, 11:03:59 PM4/19/03
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too expensive for floors.

Nick Pedley

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Apr 20, 2003, 8:24:03 AM4/20/03
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"The Old Timer" <toma...@aol.comspamless> wrote in message
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> > Any thoughts on what Future might look like as the final coat(s) for
water?
>
SNIP

> Actually, truth be told, my son the art teacher suggested that I use an
> artist's knife to spread the gel around. I did, but I think that a flat
piece
> of plastic, or wood might have worked just as well. (and been a lot
cheaper
> than the $5.00 that I shelled out for the artist's knife!) The biggest
trick
> was spreading the gel in ~almost~ the wave action that I wanted to show,
and
> then use the knife to ~kind of~ sculpt the gel to a more finished look.

When I was tiling the kitchen I used an old store discount card for the
grouting rather than buy an expensive gadget to do the same thing. I reckon
I got a better deal on that than by saving 20p on a bunch of banananana's...

Nick


JACKGROUELL

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Apr 20, 2003, 5:24:08 PM4/20/03
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For what it is worth the Columbia River Maritime Museum in Astoria Oregon
has a life size diorama of one of the USCG Reuse Boats doing a rescue on the
Columbia (River) Bar. You might want to visit them or contact
http://www.crmm.org/index.htm

A great place to visit for any one with any interest in model building or
maritime history.

Jack

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> > What is the best material for water diorama? Where can I find the good
> > article of how to make water diorama?
>

The Old Timer

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Apr 20, 2003, 6:18:34 PM4/20/03
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>For what it is worth the Columbia River Maritime Museum in Astoria Oregon
>has a life size diorama of one of the USCG Reuse Boats doing a rescue on the
>Columbia (River) Bar. You might want to visit them or contact
>http://www.crmm.org/index.htm

>A great place to visit for any one with any interest in model building or
>maritime history.

Jack -- Thanks for the heads-up!

Ives100

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Apr 20, 2003, 8:43:37 PM4/20/03
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Please see the article by Jeff Herne on modeling realistic water for
shipbuilders. Go to: http://www.modelwarships.com/ Look under the "how to"
section.

Tom Dougherty (Ive...@aol.com)

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