Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model aircraft parts"?
Dave Grayvis
LeRoycom
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RayDunakin
so he has to hide what he's shipping.
The real question is why does Jerry keep making a lightning rod of himself? He
KNEW he was shipping illegally, so the smart move would be to keep his mouth
shut and his business under the table. Does he do this? No! Instead, he loudly
and repeatedly insists that he's perfectly legal, that he's been screwed by
TRA/NAR, and that everyone who catches him in a lie is a traitor/liar/etc.
Figuratively speaking, Jerry's standing on a mountaintop during a thunderstorm
holding a ten foot steel launch rod, and bitching 'cause he keeps getting
fried.
Paxton
Pax
Word of Reason
Could it be greed and a lack of ethics?
Scott Schuckert
<raydu...@aol.com> wrote:
> The real question is why does Jerry keep making a lightning rod of himself? He
> KNEW he was shipping illegally, so the smart move would be to keep his mouth
> shut and his business under the table. Does he do this? No! Instead, he loudly
> and repeatedly insists that he's perfectly legal, that he's been screwed by
> TRA/NAR, and that everyone who catches him in a lie is a traitor/liar/etc.
Hmmm... Don't neglect the possibility that he's right. To parapharase
something James Mason said in "Heaven Can Wait", the probability
someone is right increases the more people try to convince him he's
wrong.
It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word
of law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain - but that doesn't mean
he can't be prosecuted; the word of law meaning little these days.
(Heck, 90% of what the IRS does isn't supported by law)
Sometimes you just have to rub blue mud in your navel if that's the
local custom - and calling them "model airplane parts" could be
considered such an accomodation. There's even a shred of truth in it,
at least as much as there is in 5 year-olds being accused of "making
terroristic threats".
WallaceF
ring to us previous believers/suckers..
Fred
RayDunakin
law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain >>
If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by labeling
it "model aircraft parts".
<< Sometimes you just have to rub blue mud in your navel if that's the local
custom - and calling them "model airplane parts" could be considered such an
accomodation. >>
That's not a "local custom" or accomodation to the law. It's just cheating to
get around a law.
Jerry Irvine
raydu...@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:
> << It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word of
> law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain >>
>
> If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by
> labeling
> it "model aircraft parts".
Disclusure is not disguise.
If you claim I thought I shipped explsives as nothing, you miss the
point.
If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the
point.
Of course the DOT monologue and menu of lies in administrative orders is
going to take the most aberrant position possible. They are a
bureaucracy!
Look at the ATF!
But then you miss the point so often it is either intentional or you
cannot comprehend basic logic and english. Or both.
Jerry
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Dave Grayvis
> In article <20040527151918...@mb-m10.aol.com>,
> raydu...@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:
>
>
>><< It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word of
>>law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain >>
>>
>>If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by
>>labeling
>>it "model aircraft parts".
>
>
> Disclusure is not disguise.
>
> If you claim I thought I shipped explsives as nothing, you miss the
> point.
>
> If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the
> point.
> Jerry
>
You lied, plain and simple. How is labeling class B materials, as
"model aircraft parts", disclosure? How is that not fraudulent on ANY
level?
No, you do not have ANY paperwork authorizing you to ship class B materials.
The point is, you, jerry irvine are a liar, so do everybody a favor and
sit down and shut up.
David Weinshenker
> No, you do not have ANY paperwork authorizing you to ship class B materials.
The point is that requiring propellant, in the forms and formulas encountered
in sport rocketry products, to be shipped and stored as "Explosives, Class 1"
(or "class B materials" by the old designations) is excessive and overly restrictive.
Such a designation overstates the actual hazards associated with handling the
material in practice, and creates unnecessary hassles in its commerce, transport,
and use.
-dave w
Dave Grayvis
Wipe your chin.
Actually, the point is, "Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as
"model aircraft parts"?". That's the point. Got it now?
Jerry Irvine
Dave Grayvis <davegr...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
> > In article <20040527151918...@mb-m10.aol.com>,
> > raydu...@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:
> >
> >
> >><< It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word of
> >>law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain >>
> >>
> >>If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by
> >>labeling
> >>it "model aircraft parts".
> >
> >
> > Disclusure is not disguise.
> >
> > If you claim I thought I shipped explsives as nothing, you miss the
> > point.
> >
> > If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the
> > point.
>
> > Jerry
> >
>
>
> You lied, plain and simple. How is labeling class B materials,
NOT Class B materials. That much we DO know to an utter certainty!!
Therefore your question assumes facts proven opposite. Not merely not in
evidence.
Here:
www.v-serv.com/usr/images/ACS.BOEreport.jpg
Hey dude. It says what it says!
That has to stick in your craw really, really bad!
> as
> "model aircraft parts", disclosure? How is that not fraudulent on ANY
> level?
>
> No, you do not have ANY paperwork authorizing you to ship class B materials.
>
> The point is, you, jerry irvine are a liar, so do everybody a favor and
> sit down and shut up.
>
--
Dave Grayvis
A lot of hot air, but still no answer to the question.
David Weinshenker
> Actually, the point is, "Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as
> "model aircraft parts"?". That's the point. Got it now?
How would you label them? "Scary Dangerous Flammable Rocket Motors
that Don't Actually Qualify For The 'Class 1 Explosives' Hazard
Category But We Want Everyone To Think They Do"??
-dave w
Dave Grayvis
Is that the only possibility you can come up with? I think you I.Q. is
showing.
Jerry Irvine
David Weinshenker <daz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
:) They would have fined me for that too, but it would look great in the
pleading!!
Top 10 things Jerry should label the next "exempt" shipment:
Jerry Irvine
Dave Grayvis <davegr...@netscape.net> wrote:
That makes you stupid and myopic.
Engage the discussion or be plonked.
Your choice.
Dave Grayvis
> In article <40B64D18...@earthlink.net>,
> David Weinshenker <daz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave Grayvis wrote:
>>
>>>Actually, the point is, "Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as
>>>"model aircraft parts"?". That's the point. Got it now?
>>
>>How would you label them? "Scary Dangerous Flammable Rocket Motors
>>that Don't Actually Qualify For The 'Class 1 Explosives' Hazard
>>Category But We Want Everyone To Think They Do"??
>>
>>-dave w
>
>
> :) They would have fined me for that too, but it would look great in the
> pleading!!
>
> Top 10 things Jerry should label the next "exempt" shipment:
>
The question is, Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model
aircraft parts"?
For Christ's sake, it's a jerry thread, try to stay on topic.
Dave Grayvis
Answer the question, Why does jerry irvine ship rocket motors as "model
aircraft parts"?
After you answer that one, you can try this one, how is fraudulently
mislabeling hazardous materials as inert, NOT a violation of federal law
and more importantly, how negates the PAD exemption! How were the
motors manufactured, transported or properly labeled for their intended use?
Jerry Irvine
Dave Grayvis <davegr...@netscape.net> wrote:
Plonk.
All evidence retained.
Jerry Irvine
Jerry Irvine <01ro...@gte.net> wrote:
> > >>>www.v-serv.com/usr/images/ACS.BOEreport.jpg
> > >>>
> > >>>Hey dude. It says what it says!
> > >>>
> > >>>That has to stick in your craw really, really bad!
> Plonk.
:)
Repetition is next to godliness.
Dave Grayvis
> Repetition is next to godliness.
>
What does that mean, exactly?
Doug Sams
>
> > Repetition is next to godliness.
Dave Grayvis wrote:
>
> What does that mean, exactly?
Well, I was taught that someone who keeps trying the same thing, over
and over, expecting a different outcome was, well, not very smart. But
Jerry continues trying to solve all his business problems via rmr,
droning on and on with the same ol' stuff, saying the same crap, and
getting the same responses.
You'd think he'd realize someday that no matter how much you whine and
cry on rmr, you can't get a LEMP, DOT numbers or NAR certification here.
So I wouldn't say "Repetition is next to godliness." I'd say "Jerryness
is next to dumbassness."
But tha'ts JMO.
Doug
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Brian Efforts
<daz...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>How would you label them? "Scary Dangerous Flammable Rocket Motors
>that Don't Actually Qualify For The 'Class 1 Explosives' Hazard
>Category But We Want Everyone To Think They Do"??
Wipe your chin again.
If Skippy is so sure of himself why didn't he label them "Rocket
Motors"?
Brian Efforts
<doug_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>So I wouldn't say "Repetition is next to godliness." I'd say "Jerryness
>is next to dumbassness."
THAT should be in the FAQ.
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"David Weinshenker" <daz...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:40B64D18...@earthlink.net...
A non-ass-kisser would have come up with some better words, Dave.
How 'bout
1) Non-explosive rocket motors
2) Non-explosive rocket propellant
3) Non-regulated rocket motors
4) Non-regulated rocket propellant
5) Unclassified rocket motors
6) Unclassified rocket propellant
7) Safe and sane rocket motors (okay, that's kinda funny)
Anyway, see a trend here, Dave? All the descriptions mention rocket motors or propellant.
If Jerry was really trying to set a new benchmark, why did he hide in subterfuge and
deception?
Jerry is a very crafty, deceptive, dishonest man, Dave. He has you under his spell. You
are totally brainwashed by the man. It is a classic case of... what do they call it when
an older man seduces a young boy?
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> > If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the
> > point.
>
> > Jerry
Then why not lable the 200 pounds of rocket motors as "non-explosive rocket propellant"?
Or better yet, "Unregulated Rocket Propellant".
Jerry (and ass kisser Dave): If you two trolls really thought that Jerry was some kind of
civil disobedient trend setter, then why didn't Jerry flont the fact that his shipment
contained unregulated non-explosive rocket motors instead of lying about it and trying to
hide them under a false name?
steve
Jerry, I have $50 right here that says you will not answer this question truthfully and
forthright.
steve bloom
(truthfully and forthright will be judged by the readers of rmr. Hint; It ain't no
Jerry-Speak.)
Phil Stein
following the law. My suggestion is that people follow the law or
regulation or whatever you want to call it.
Phil Stein
table salt.
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:12:21 -0700, Jerry Irvine <01ro...@gte.net>
wrote:
Phil Stein
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:55:17 -0700, Jerry Irvine <01ro...@gte.net>
wrote:
>
Jerry Irvine
Phil Stein <PSt...@ArielSystems.spamsks.net> wrote:
> You may or may not be right but, no one can dispute the result of not
> following the law. My suggestion is that people follow the law or
> regulation or whatever you want to call it.
How do you do that when it varies from person to person and from time to
time and away from the written documents?
Remember that silly NAR/ATF lawsuit?
W. E.Fred Wallace
Jerry Irvine wrote:
>
> In article <20040527151918...@mb-m10.aol.com>,
> raydu...@aol.com (RayDunakin) wrote:
>
> > << It may well be that shipping his motors is perfectly legal by the word of
> > law, which is what Jerry seems to maintain >>
> >
> > If he really believed that, he wouldn't have disguised the contents by
> > labeling
> > it "model aircraft parts".
>
> Disclusure is not disguise.
>
> If you claim I thought I shipped explsives as nothing, you miss the
> point.
>
> If you admit I have papers that say they are NOT explosives, you get the
> point.
>
> Of course the DOT monologue and menu of lies in administrative orders is
> going to take the most aberrant position possible. They are a
> bureaucracy!
>
> Look at the ATF!
>
> But then you miss the point so often it is either intentional or you
> cannot comprehend basic logic and english. Or both.
>
> Jerry
>
The point is; 40 grand to the man, on demand, lost on appeal-- hey we
now know the deal and listen to him squeal...