Jerry Irvine
gz7...@my-deja.com
Dear Jerry,
I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
your company actually making deliveries?
Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Foxeye
scam ripoff Irvine, that folks still actually send him money for vapor
ware........I would rather throw my money on the lottery, as the odds
of winning is much greater than getting a product from Scam Man
Irvine........As for his replies on email its hard to answer email
when you have to wait your turn at the public library or Kinkos to use
the computer.....Come on Jerry Scma Man Irvine, make a liar out of me,
bet you can't do it dude! Prove me wrong, just this one time! And
folks ask why I continually bash this idiot and hound him on here all
the time....just so if 1 person gets to save his money its worth
it......
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:59 GMT, gz7...@my-deja.com wrote:
>x<>-Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
>x<>-
>x<>-Dear Jerry,
>x<>-I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
>x<>-a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
>x<>-it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
>x<>-your company actually making deliveries?
>x<>-
>x<>-Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
>x<>-Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
>x<>-INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
>x<>-
>x<>-
>x<>-Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>x<>-Before you buy.
Dierenarts
while ago, didn't he?
Koen
In article <5v09vs04b82jj0tqn...@4ax.com>,
--
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NAR # 69386 SR Level 2
Tripoli # 7368 Level 2
Neil Tarasoff
Postal Service. You will need your canceled check, the proper form
& after you file, hopefully the authorities will cut him a new @ hole.
Neil Tarasoff
gz7...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
>
> Dear Jerry,
> I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
> a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
> it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
> your company actually making deliveries?
>
> Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
> Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
> INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
>
Kevin Trojanowski
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jerry sold US Rockets quite a
> while ago, didn't he?
>
> Koen
Or so he claims. However, he continually tells people that they can
"trust USR" to deliver on any orders placed and that he will prove all
the people who claim otherwise wrong.
Jerry's messages concerning USR continually contradict themselves, as
well, leading many to be skeptical as to whether or not someone other
than Jerry owns the company.
-Kevin
Foxeye
want to call a vapor ware company...Jerry owns lock stock and barrel
(doubt he even has any of those three items<G>) of U S Rockets.Plain
and simple!
regards foxeye
On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 19:26:10 GMT, Dierenarts
<eendie...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>x<>-Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Jerry sold US Rockets quite a
>x<>-while ago, didn't he?
>x<>-
>x<>-Koen
>x<>-
>x<>-In article <5v09vs04b82jj0tqn...@4ax.com>,
>x<>- chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>x<>-> Its totally amazing..with all the posts in this group concerning mr
>x<>-> scam ripoff Irvine, that folks still actually send him money for
>x<>-vapor
>x<>-> ware........I would rather throw my money on the lottery, as the odds
>x<>-> of winning is much greater than getting a product from Scam Man
>x<>-> Irvine........As for his replies on email its hard to answer email
>x<>-> when you have to wait your turn at the public library or Kinkos to
>x<>-use
>x<>-> the computer.....Come on Jerry Scma Man Irvine, make a liar out of
>x<>-me,
>x<>-> bet you can't do it dude! Prove me wrong, just this one time! And
>x<>-> folks ask why I continually bash this idiot and hound him on here all
>x<>-> the time....just so if 1 person gets to save his money its worth
>x<>-> it......
>x<>->
>x<>-> On Mon, 23 Oct 2000 15:35:59 GMT, gz7...@my-deja.com wrote:
>x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-Dear Jerry,
>x<>-> >x<>-I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
>x<>-> >x<>-a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
>x<>-> >x<>-it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
>x<>-> >x<>-your company actually making deliveries?
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
>x<>-> >x<>-Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
>x<>-> >x<>-INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>x<>-> >x<>-Before you buy.
>x<>->
>x<>->
Darrell D. Mobley
>
> I personally have never ordered anything from Jerry myself so I am no tgoing to
> make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh newsgroup. I am just
> wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or COD! What could
> possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it, credit card- you have
> proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR website I thought they
> were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as long as they
> exist...
This reminds me -- Bill Davenport, did you ever get your 6" Upscale "I
ripped off a trademarked name" Big Bertha?
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> U S Rockets...
> a vapor ware company
Was it always a "vapor ware company"?
Or was it actively shipping products at one time?
(I've seen references to an 18mm G motor which was
reportedly in actual use from 1986-1992: what kind
of igniter do you use for vaporware propellants?)
-dave w
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IBPYRONSKI
Foxeye pens the following
>To make things short.Jerry Owns U S Rockets........if that is what you
>want to call a vapor ware company...Jerry owns lock stock and barrel
>(doubt he even has any of those three items<G>) of U S Rockets.Plain
>and simple!
>regards foxeye
How do you know this?Facts please.I would like to know for sure myself.
Tom
BigEmo131
make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh newsgroup. I am just
wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or COD! What could
possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it, credit card- you have
proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR website I thought they
were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as long as they
I have heard they are reliable dealers and have a huge selection.
Alex Immerman
Alex Immerman
Neil Tarasoff
Have you been hiding under a ROCK for 2+ years.
Have you not seen all the bad stuff about Irvine.
NO ONE sends $$$$$ to Irvine unless you like the feel of it
sliding in, without the benefit of KY jelly. 8-)
US Rockets does not really exist, except in the mind of Jerry Irvine.
Buy great kits from the reputable dealers on the net. If performance has
US rocket kits, I suggest you check the kit out before purchase, as
some people have reported that the quality is not very good.
Neil Tarasoff
bad...@gamma494.com
>BigEmo131 wrote:
>>
>> I personally have never ordered anything from Jerry myself so I am no tgoing to
>> make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh newsgroup. I am just
>> wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or COD! What could
>> possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it, credit card- you have
>> proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR website I thought they
>> were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as long as they
>> exist...
>
>This reminds me -- Bill Davenport, did you ever get your 6" Upscale "I
>ripped off a trademarked name" Big Bertha?
Darrell,
Nope I sure didn't. Will let you know if it ever
comes...
Bill Davenport
AMA 28141 ( NAR & TRA #'s don't matter any more )
bob fortune
bad...@gamma494.com wrote:
>
> Darrell,
> Nope I sure didn't. Will let you know if it ever
> comes...
>
> Bill Davenport
> AMA 28141 ( NAR & TRA #'s don't matter any more )
Bill and Darrell,
Being a pretty regular reader of RMR I've seen this phantom rocket come
up from time to time, but I don't understand the story behind it. Can
you give me a rundown on what happened (or what didn't happen)? All I
know is there was some kind of gift certificate or contest or something
and Jerry was supposed to send out a rocket. Evidently the rocket never
made it but was Jerry compensated for the thing initially? I hate to see
a dealer or kitter or rocketeer being strung up for any reason here on
rmr. If we have the bandwidth for drivel like "OT: Shameless Political
Plea" then I'm sure we can make some room for this one.
Bob
Tom Binford
"David Weinshenker" <daz...@grin.net> wrote in message
news:39F518F2...@grin.net...
> Foxeye wrote:
> > U S Rockets...
> > a vapor ware company
>
> Was it always a "vapor ware company"?
> Or was it actively shipping products at one time?
> (I've seen references to an 18mm G motor which was
> reportedly in actual use from 1986-1992: what kind
> of igniter do you use for vaporware propellants?)
It did exist in the time frame you mention above. I have lots of E - F - G
motors left, no 18 mm G's though (some 24 mm G's). I was on a net 30 days
payment so I never lost any money. Some motors worked well, some worked
poorly, and some just cato'd. Most of the smaller (model rocket size) motors
were ones that worked but were weak or had erratic delays.
Tom
Foxeye
dont't
he.
do a damned search on deja and get caught up with the story
On 24 Oct 2000 00:50:25 GMT, ibpyr...@aol.com (IBPYRONSKI) wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>- Foxeye pens the following
>x<>-
>x<>->To make things short.Jerry Owns U S Rockets........if that is what you
>x<>->want to call a vapor ware company...Jerry owns lock stock and barrel
>x<>->(doubt he even has any of those three items<G>) of U S Rockets.Plain
>x<>->and simple!
>x<>->regards foxeye
>x<>-
>x<>- How do you know this?Facts please.I would like to know for sure myself.
>x<>- Tom
IBPYRONSKI
Foxeye.
Foxeye's snappy and tastefull reply below with the swear words cleaned up abit
>I ain't going through all this g## #####d b#####it on does he or
>dont't
> he.
>do a d####d search on deja and get caught up with the story
>
>
>On 24 Oct 2000 00:50:25 GMT, ibpyr...@aol.com (IBPYRONSKI) wrote:
>
>>x<>-
>>x<>- Foxeye pens the following
>>x<>-
>>x<>->To make things short.Jerry Owns U S Rockets........if that is what you
>>x<>->want to call a vapor ware company...Jerry owns lock stock and barrel
>>x<>->(doubt he even has any of those three items<G>) of U S Rockets.Plain
>>x<>->and simple!
>>x<>->regards foxeye
>>x<>-
>>x<>- How do you know this?Facts please.I would like to know for sure
>myself.
>>x<>- Tom
I have read most of the posts about this and have NEVER seen it proved that
Jerry is the owner again.I ,myself,think that he is.This doesn't make it so.
You stated that he does own it again,enlighten us all with the facts please.
You came up with a really good Jerry type post when asked a simple
question.Dodge the facts and put up a smoke screen.
Are you really Jerry with a different screen name??
Default
bob fortune wrote:
> Being a pretty regular reader of RMR I've seen this phantom rocket come
> up from time to time, but I don't understand the story behind it.
And it goes like this:
Jerry owes Darrell $xx for services rendered (advertising). Bill wants
to take Jerry up on his offer, and buy a USR rocket, and do a product
review. Darrell says; "Hey Jerry, why don't you send me the rocket,
which is worth $xx, and I'll send it to Bill. That way, I'll accept the
rocket as payment for past services (advertising) Bill gets a rocket,
and you get an honest product roview."
And we haven't heard from Jerry since.
My guess? Jerry is out buying some LOC BT's, Smokin Rockets nose cones,
PML CPR systems, RocketMan chutes, and Skunkworks fins to compile enough
parts to send to Darrell and call them a USR kit. It gets a rave
review, Jerry gets orders for 50 more of same, then he ships all those
carpet rolls, paneling fins and paper chutes he's got in his basement to
another round of unsuspecting customers.
Steve "the seer" Bloom
bob fortune
Default (as opposed to Debloom) wrote:
> And it goes like this:
>
> Jerry owes Darrell $xx for services rendered (advertising). Bill wants
> to take Jerry up on his offer, and buy a USR rocket, and do a product
> review. Darrell says; "Hey Jerry, why don't you send me the rocket,
> which is worth $xx, and I'll send it to Bill. That way, I'll accept the
> rocket as payment for past services (advertising) Bill gets a rocket,
> and you get an honest product roview."
>
> And we haven't heard from Jerry since.
>
> My guess? Jerry is out buying some LOC BT's, Smokin Rockets nose cones,
> PML CPR systems, RocketMan chutes, and Skunkworks fins to compile enough
> parts to send to Darrell and call them a USR kit. It gets a rave
> review, Jerry gets orders for 50 more of same, then he ships all those
> carpet rolls, paneling fins and paper chutes he's got in his basement to
> another round of unsuspecting customers.
>
> Steve "the seer" Bloom
Hokay,
I think I get it. Evidently Jerry is dragging his feet because he
doesn't feel Darrell's bill was justified or he somehow got ripped off.
If he sends it to Darrell he's acknowledging the fact that Darrell was
actually owed money and was right all along - or that he (Jerry) was
wrong. And rather than do that he chooses to experience the pain and
suffering of a public lambaste.
Yeesh, so much for the saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity."
I wonder if "Retreat!" or "Cut your losses" or "You get more flies with
honey than vinegar" is in the Jerry Irvine lexicon?
Is he really buying fins from youse guys?
Bob
Default
bob fortune wrote:
> Yeesh, so much for the saying "there's no such thing as bad publicity."
> I wonder if "Retreat!" or "Cut your losses" or "You get more flies with
> honey than vinegar" is in the Jerry Irvine lexicon?
>
> Is he really buying fins from youse guys?
>
> Bob
Well, Bob, Since I'm no longer co-owner of the AB Skunkworks you'll
have to talk to Jerry. I lost my stock in the company when Jerry sued
us and won the case. Seems as though he invented skunks and we were
using the name without his expressed approval. <grin> (not actually
the truth but real funny to some)
No, not really. But if he was going to "compile" a bunch of parts and
call it a USR kit to try and impress everyone, he'd benefit from using
some of Tom Allen's fins. Tom has made some composite fins that are as
stiff as slate and smooth as glass.
DeBloom
daz...@grin.net
> do a damned search on deja and get caught up with the story
Only one problem... deja search only goes back to May '99 these days.
From what I've seen so far, the "decline of US Rockets from actual
supplier to flaky vaporware" occurred well before that, so saying
"go do a search on deja" is not a useful alternative to posting an
answer to someone's question.
(Deja is not what it used to be - evidently the web interface/archive
for usenet is now considered just a burdensome sideline to this whole
"product rating" operation. One notes that its slogan has changed from
"share what you know, learn what you don't" to "before you buy".)
-dave w
Darrell D. Mobley
>
> "Darrell D. Mobley" <ddmo...@uhostme.com> wrote:
> >
> >This reminds me -- Bill Davenport, did you ever get your 6" Upscale "I
> >ripped off a trademarked name" Big Bertha?
>
> Nope I sure didn't. Will let you know if it ever
> comes...
Should I hold my breath?
Robert Briody
David Weinshenker wrote:
>
> Foxeye wrote:
> > U S Rockets...
> > a vapor ware company
>
> Was it always a "vapor ware company"?
> Or was it actively shipping products at one time?
> (I've seen references to an 18mm G motor which was
> reportedly in actual use from 1986-1992: what kind
> of igniter do you use for vaporware propellants?)
>
> -dave w
Hi Dave,
I'm sorry ... I can't help myself ...
To fire vaporware propellants, use VaporStar, VaporMan, or Vaporlite igniters.
They'll vaporize any thoughts or misgivings you had about the vaporware
propellants.
Cheers,
Robert Briody
TRA #4945 L2
Foxeye
light the same...........vaporware motors and rockets.......only using
the $20.00 bill is more satisfying as you can actually feel it and
see it, when it goes up in smoke........have yet to see any of the
motors light off or the rockets go, that vapor....its so amazing. Only
thing I seen that was faster....and that was Jerry cashing a check he
receives from unsuspecting vapor ware buyers.
Regards
On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:05:42 -0700, Robert Briody
<rtbr...@mod-tek.com> wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-
>x<>-David Weinshenker wrote:
>x<>->
>x<>-> Foxeye wrote:
>x<>-> > U S Rockets...
>x<>-> > a vapor ware company
>x<>->
>x<>-> Was it always a "vapor ware company"?
>x<>-> Or was it actively shipping products at one time?
>x<>-> (I've seen references to an 18mm G motor which was
>x<>-> reportedly in actual use from 1986-1992: what kind
>x<>-> of igniter do you use for vaporware propellants?)
>x<>->
>x<>-> -dave w
>x<>-
>x<>-Hi Dave,
>x<>-
>x<>-I'm sorry ... I can't help myself ...
>x<>-
>x<>-To fire vaporware propellants, use VaporStar, VaporMan, or Vaporlite igniters.
>x<>-They'll vaporize any thoughts or misgivings you had about the vaporware
>x<>-propellants.
>x<>-
>x<>-
>x<>-Cheers,
>x<>-
>x<>-Robert Briody
>x<>-TRA #4945 L2
David Weinshenker
> Only thing I seen that was faster....and that was
> Jerry cashing a check he receives from unsuspecting
> vapor ware buyers.
You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
functioning supplier delivering actual product?
Woody4828
David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote:
> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>
> -dave w
I don't know and could give a sh!t about the history o' Jerry, but he
was onsite at LDRS at Hartsel in 97 and was selling motors, I seem to
remember only 1 failure. I think he was demoing them prior to them
being certified, this is probably wrong and I'm sure he'll correct me
if so, Just posted to tell you at one time he did have an actual
product to sell and was selling it.
--
Woody
From the land of no "real" beer (UT).
Beer is God's gift to man.
Neil Tarasoff
What the hell does it matter what it might have been in the past.
It is DUNG today. Move on to something else!!!!
Stop wasting time beating a very dead horse.
Neil (my 2ï½¢) Tarasoff
Jerry Irvine
bige...@aol.com (BigEmo131) wrote:
I am not going to respond to all the rubbish posted to this thread, almost
100% of it is rubbish.
Anybody who wants to purchase USR products can do so on bill on delivery
which is BETTER than COD or credit card. It is invoice. You do not even
need to disclose your payment particulars till you have received the goods
in good condition.
The folks who post drivel here either have not ordered, or have ordered
and misstated what they received because it was their sole purpose to
disparage USR from the start. I cite foxeye an a perfect example of that.
The vast majority of people who have ordered from USR from rmr are HAPPY.
Plenty of people received AIR-5 Boosted Dart reports and ordered other
books. Many people received a BFF kit caled Fire and Forget, over a
hundred IIRC.
There may be examples of imperfection but none of them are less than 8
years old and verifiable, and in the rare instance there is a pending
transaction in the past 30-60 days it either is with notice of the buyer
or with a refund of any monies paid in advance refunded while they wait.
If there EVER are any legitimate exceptions to that, PLEASE email me at
01ro...@gte.net, or if you INSIST on dealing with the new owners use
in...@usrockets.com.
I hope to be employed by USR for many years to come no matter who owns
it. Great company, good products.
I invite people to see for themselves risk- free or at minimum shut up.
Jerry
--
Jerry Irvine, Box 1242, Claremont, California USA
Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01ro...@gte.net>
Jerry Irvine
<FirstName....@boeing.com> wrote:
> bob fortune wrote:
>
> > Being a pretty regular reader of RMR I've seen this phantom rocket come
> > up from time to time, but I don't understand the story behind it.
>
>
> And it goes like this:
>
> Jerry owes Darrell $xx for services rendered (advertising). Bill wants
> to take Jerry up on his offer, and buy a USR rocket, and do a product
> review. Darrell says; "Hey Jerry, why don't you send me the rocket,
> which is worth $xx, and I'll send it to Bill. That way, I'll accept the
> rocket as payment for past services (advertising) Bill gets a rocket,
> and you get an honest product roview."
>
> And we haven't heard from Jerry since.
That's not true. I posted it will be sent when the nose cone is done.
It's not done yet. However I STILL wonder why Darrell (or his agent) will
still not accept any in-stock products and insist ONLY on custom made to
order items. With stated long delays.
Probably to keep up the noise level.
It's working.
>
> My guess? Jerry is out buying some LOC BT's, Smokin Rockets nose cones,
> PML CPR systems, RocketMan chutes, and Skunkworks fins to compile enough
> parts to send to Darrell and call them a USR kit. It gets a rave
> review, Jerry gets orders for 50 more of same, then he ships all those
> carpet rolls, paneling fins and paper chutes he's got in his basement to
> another round of unsuspecting customers.
>
> Steve "the seer" Bloom
--
Jerry Irvine
> Foxeye wrote:
> > Only thing I seen that was faster....and that was
> > Jerry cashing a check he receives from unsuspecting
> > vapor ware buyers.
>
> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>
Yes. I want to hear the answer to that question too.
> -dave w
>
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Jerry Irvine
> Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
>
> Dear Jerry,
> I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
> a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
> it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
> your company actually making deliveries?
>
> Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
> Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
> INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
If true, email in...@usrockets.com and state if it is a prepaid order or
not. If prepaid it will be immediately refunded.
The company changed hands on about that date so your order may have been
lost in the transfer.
Open letter, eh? Why?
Jerry
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Kevin Trojanowski
>
> That's not true. I posted it will be sent when the nose cone is done.
> It's not done yet. However I STILL wonder why Darrell (or his agent) will
> still not accept any in-stock products and insist ONLY on custom made to
> order items. With stated long delays.
Gee, maybe because that's not the kit they WANT? If I had a voucher
good for some amount of dollars I could use at a vendor, you can bet I'd
use it on what I WANTED, not necessarily what they had in stock at that
point in time.
Ever thought about arranging to ship everything but the nosecone, and
providing a date on which the nosecone would ship?
-Kevin
Foxeye
canned reply , that is when you do reply, when questioned on status of
orders..I presume this innocent purchaser, is going to have to wait
for someone to refund the money for him, like Debbie had
to.........Jerry, You are so full of hot air and bull$hit,. its a
wonder you don;t go floating off into the outer reaches of space..Once
a scum bag always a scum bag, especially with all the times you have
had and opportunites presented for you to redeem, yea, redeem your
character, morales, and integrity in this newsgroup. Your just a
pathetic liar, and con artist, that is really to lazy to help himself,
and just ploys on others to support you, with taking the money and
sending no goods.
Send the man his money, without his having to prove this and that,
unlesss it will keep you from paying your dumpster rental home place
you call a business, we sure would not like to see you go homeless.
Lets see how long it takes good old Jerry Irvine to send this refund
and how many hoops he is going to have to jump through to get
it.......go on Jerry, make me a liar, I dare you dude! Make a big liar
out of me in front of all these rmr folks, go on!
My 2 cents worth!
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:12:39 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
wrote:
>x<>-In article <8t1lsv$3hh$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, gz7...@my-deja.com wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
>x<>->
>x<>-> Dear Jerry,
>x<>-> I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
>x<>-> a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
>x<>-> it or answer my email regarding the rocket. Is
>x<>-> your company actually making deliveries?
>x<>->
>x<>-> Yet another unsatisified customer of U.S Rockets.
>x<>-> Oh and if you are wondering about the order:
>x<>-> INVOICE 08-Jul-00 08:05 PM Order Number: 517
>x<>-
>x<>-If true, email in...@usrockets.com and state if it is a prepaid order or
>x<>-not. If prepaid it will be immediately refunded.
>x<>-
>x<>-The company changed hands on about that date so your order may have been
>x<>-lost in the transfer.
>x<>-
>x<>-Open letter, eh? Why?
>x<>-
>x<>-Jerry
>x<>-
>x<>->
>x<>->
>x<>-> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>x<>-> Before you buy.
Foxeye
since I knew about it 3+ years or so........
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:11:10 GMT, Woody4828 <wood...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
>x<>-In article <39F8FE59...@grin.net>,
>x<>- David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote:
>x<>-> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
>x<>-> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
>x<>-> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>x<>->
>x<>-> -dave w
>x<>-
>x<>-I don't know and could give a sh!t about the history o' Jerry, but he
>x<>-was onsite at LDRS at Hartsel in 97 and was selling motors, I seem to
>x<>-remember only 1 failure. I think he was demoing them prior to them
>x<>-being certified, this is probably wrong and I'm sure he'll correct me
>x<>-if so, Just posted to tell you at one time he did have an actual
>x<>-product to sell and was selling it.
Foxeye
man some slack..you know darn well its true, cease with the damned
stall tactics dude!
ummmmmmmmmmmmm.......rubbing magic 8 ball, waiting for answer........
Yep I knew it, I asked my magic 8 ball if jerry irvine's computer or
ISP is going to suffer a catastophe, and the 8 ball gave me a "This is
probable" that hold true to his past also! That will be good for
another 3 or 4 weeks of stalling on his retribution.
Foxeye
along the highways and in the dumpsters to pay for a nose cone
yet.......and the local carpet store just has not thrown any tube's
away for awhile.
And since he lives in California, where strict building codes are
enforced, its hard to find cheap assed paneling in construction site
dumpsters anymore......
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:51:23 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
wrote:
>x<>-In article <39F70698...@boeing.com>, Default
>x<>-<FirstName....@boeing.com> wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> bob fortune wrote:
>x<>->
>x<>-> > Being a pretty regular reader of RMR I've seen this phantom rocket come
>x<>-> > up from time to time, but I don't understand the story behind it.
>x<>->
>x<>->
>x<>-> And it goes like this:
>x<>->
>x<>-> Jerry owes Darrell $xx for services rendered (advertising). Bill wants
>x<>-> to take Jerry up on his offer, and buy a USR rocket, and do a product
>x<>-> review. Darrell says; "Hey Jerry, why don't you send me the rocket,
>x<>-> which is worth $xx, and I'll send it to Bill. That way, I'll accept the
>x<>-> rocket as payment for past services (advertising) Bill gets a rocket,
>x<>-> and you get an honest product roview."
>x<>->
>x<>-> And we haven't heard from Jerry since.
>x<>-
>x<>-That's not true. I posted it will be sent when the nose cone is done.
>x<>-It's not done yet. However I STILL wonder why Darrell (or his agent) will
>x<>-still not accept any in-stock products and insist ONLY on custom made to
>x<>-order items. With stated long delays.
>x<>-
>x<>-Probably to keep up the noise level.
>x<>-
>x<>-It's working.
>x<>-
>x<>->
>x<>-> My guess? Jerry is out buying some LOC BT's, Smokin Rockets nose cones,
>x<>-> PML CPR systems, RocketMan chutes, and Skunkworks fins to compile enough
>x<>-> parts to send to Darrell and call them a USR kit. It gets a rave
>x<>-> review, Jerry gets orders for 50 more of same, then he ships all those
>x<>-> carpet rolls, paneling fins and paper chutes he's got in his basement to
>x<>-> another round of unsuspecting customers.
>x<>->
>x<>-> Steve "the seer" Bloom
Foxeye
have been a used car salesman dude!
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:46:19 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
wrote:
>x<>-In article <20001023221033...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
>x<>-bige...@aol.com (BigEmo131) wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> I personally have never ordered anything from Jerry myself so I am no
>x<>-tgoing to
>x<>-> make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh newsgroup. I am just
>x<>-> wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or COD! What could
>x<>-> possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it, credit card- you have
>x<>-> proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR website I thought they
>x<>-> were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as long as they
>x<>-> exist... Also, why not order from Performance Hobbies who carries USR
>x<>-rockets?
>x<>-> I have heard they are reliable dealers and have a huge selection.
>x<>->
>x<>-> Alex Immerman
>x<>->
>x<>-> Alex Immerman
>x<>-
>x<>-I am not going to respond to all the rubbish posted to this thread, almost
>x<>-100% of it is rubbish.
>x<>-
>x<>-Anybody who wants to purchase USR products can do so on bill on delivery
>x<>-which is BETTER than COD or credit card. It is invoice. You do not even
>x<>-need to disclose your payment particulars till you have received the goods
>x<>-in good condition.
>x<>-
>x<>-The folks who post drivel here either have not ordered, or have ordered
>x<>-and misstated what they received because it was their sole purpose to
>x<>-disparage USR from the start. I cite foxeye an a perfect example of that.
>x<>-
>x<>-The vast majority of people who have ordered from USR from rmr are HAPPY.
>x<>-Plenty of people received AIR-5 Boosted Dart reports and ordered other
>x<>-books. Many people received a BFF kit caled Fire and Forget, over a
>x<>-hundred IIRC.
>x<>-
>x<>-There may be examples of imperfection but none of them are less than 8
>x<>-years old and verifiable, and in the rare instance there is a pending
>x<>-transaction in the past 30-60 days it either is with notice of the buyer
>x<>-or with a refund of any monies paid in advance refunded while they wait.
>x<>-
>x<>-If there EVER are any legitimate exceptions to that, PLEASE email me at
>x<>-01ro...@gte.net, or if you INSIST on dealing with the new owners use
>x<>-in...@usrockets.com.
>x<>-
>x<>-I hope to be employed by USR for many years to come no matter who owns
>x<>-it. Great company, good products.
>x<>-
>x<>-I invite people to see for themselves risk- free or at minimum shut up.
>x<>-
>x<>-Jerry
Darrell D. Mobley
> I hope to be employed by USR for many years to come no matter who owns
> it.
Yeah, like you are actually going to fire yourself.
> I invite people to see for themselves risk- free or at minimum shut up.
Jerry, I'd like to see that 6" Upscale 'I ripped off a trademarked name'
Big Bertha. Either you deliver it or shut up! Or better yet, how about
those two $100 USR kits that you never delivered to John Bolene and
Craig Robertson that were won in the 100k contest in 1998, or the 12"
Dia., 15 Ft., 98mm USR "Big Rocket" Kit that Lawrence Tulissi never got
from the 100k contest. A list of winners AND the contributing companies
can still be found at
http://www.rocketryonline.com/contest.html
LOOK at this list of participating vendors, and realize that ONLY ONE
COMPANY ripped the participants off -- US Rockets:
TEN "Miss Rocket Boosters" Posters -- Discount Rocketry
Harry Murrey, Eric Speckman, Kent Spillman, Sylvain Gagnon, Ron
Hennies,
Jim Greene, Joey Costa, Greg Elder, Joseph Lull, Bob Whitefield
TEN $10 Gift Certificates -- Rocket Science
Dennis McNally, Ed Goss, Greg Muri, Tom Tremain, Jay Rickerts,
Scott
McCrate, Matt Bugera, Robert Waldo, Chris McKernan, Dave Hannu
TWENTY FIVE $10 Gift Certificates -- Zeppelin Hobbies
Art Treiman, Bob Witt, Don Lindich, Jeff Zahir, Christina
Suykens, Minal Shah,
Brent W. York, David Hunt, David Boyd, Mike Forman, Rodney J.
Duffin,
Joseph Isca, Denis Lemay, Simon Jacob, Michael E. Gegenheimer,
Jr., Micheal
A. Reed, Christopher N. Furphy, Dave Brock, Bob Kunz, Marc
Marzano,
John Buckley, Scot Adams, Clancy Dixon, Guy Rex Rutledge, Brad
Carey
THREE $15 Gift Certificates -- The Hobby Connection
Tony Harrell, Peter S Khor, Allen Upward
THREE $15 Gift Certificates -- LOC/Precision
Russell Penner, Bruce Nolting, Larry Murphy
TWO Registered Copies of AltCalc Software -- The Rokkit Scientists
Steve Beare, John Anderson
TEN Model Rocket Kits -- Stellar Dimensions
Don Wittenauer, Gerry Freed, Mike Malocha, Jerry Hodges, Howard
Saulles,
Srini Datari, Doug Alber, Frank De Brouwer, Harold Davis, Tim
O'Mahony
Slider Pad Junior -- Holverson Designs
Jim Berg
TWO $20 Heatshield Gift Certificates -- Pratt Hobbies
Jeff Blinn, Norlyn Click
Registered Copy of RocketCAD Design Software -- Programmin' By Pete
Gary Dwyer
2.6" V2 Rocket Kit -- Atlantic Rockets
Conan Evans
$25 Gift Certificate -- Countdown Hobbies
Richie M. Schut
$25 Gift Certificate -- Firefox Enterprises, Inc.
Brian Whitney
TEN "Rugged Rockets" Kits -- Impulse Aerospace
Nikki Johnson, George Daicoff, Roger Quayle, Gary Wandrie,
Jorge Pinto,
Ronnie Harris, Leonard J Haze, Alan Galbraith, Eric Weder, Ken
Goodwin
Bell X-1 Rocket Kit -- Atlantic Rockets
Des Bromilow
$35 Gift Certificate -- Magnum Hobbies
Dale Emery
$35 Gift Certificate -- Trailing Edge Technologies
Doug Fleming
38mm DuPont Zytel Molded Fin Canisters -- Acme Engineering
Gregory M Hoover
54mm DuPont Zytel Molded Fin Canisters -- Acme Engineering
Mark Anthony
54mm Quick Change Motor Retainer -- Aero Pack International
Edmund J. Hamel
Registered Copy of Alticalc, CPcalc & ThrustCV -- Roberson Software
Jason Morrow
Rocketry Two Video Set -- Odyssey Productions
William B. Murrill, Jr.
"Illustrated Dictionary of Pyrotechnics" -- Journal of Pyrotechnics,
Inc.
Wes Bradley
1 Year First Class Subscription to HPR Magazine -- High Power Rocketry
Magazine
Riku Aalto
Four Event Timer -- Programmin' By Pete
Richard DeMartini
3" AMRAAM3 Rocket Kit -- Public Missiles, Ltd.
Mark Eisinger
2.6" Nike Smoke Kit -- ScotGlas Manufacturing
Scott Webber
TWO Rocket kits of $100 retail value -- U.S. Rockets
John Bolene, Craig Robertson
6 Ft. Dia. Orange Cross Parachute -- Paratech Parachutes
Mike Weaver
ALTACC Altimeter/Accelerometer -- Delta V Rocketry
Mark McMahill
Quad-Pod Launcher System -- Impulse Aerospace
Kevin M. Morris
12" Dia., 15 Ft., 98mm USR "Big Rocket" Kit -- Rocketry Online
Lawrence Tulissi
Darrell D. Mobley
> That's not true. I posted it will be sent when the nose cone is done.
> It's not done yet. However I STILL wonder why Darrell (or his agent) will
> still not accept any in-stock products and insist ONLY on custom made to
> order items. With stated long delays.
How many 'vaporware rockets' do I have to order to spend $665?
> Probably to keep up the noise level.
Works for you...
Darrell D. Mobley
> Gee, maybe because that's not the kit they WANT? If I had a voucher
> good for some amount of dollars I could use at a vendor, you can bet I'd
> use it on what I WANTED, not necessarily what they had in stock at that
> point in time.
>
> Ever thought about arranging to ship everything but the nosecone, and
> providing a date on which the nosecone would ship?
Let's see, that was 1998, this is oh... two years later? I estimate
that the nose cone might be done...oh, NEVER?!?
daz...@grin.net
> Was is one thing, today and non-existant is another. Hasn't been
> since I knew about it 3+ years or so........
Well, I picked up that much already...
I guess I'm wondering "what happened" and "when"...
Perhaps it's of no present practical relevance; it remains a matter
of historical curiosity to me. Excuse me if I'm offending people by
asking...
-dave w
Kevin Trojanowski
>
> Kevin Trojanowski wrote:
>
> > Gee, maybe because that's not the kit they WANT? If I had a voucher
> > good for some amount of dollars I could use at a vendor, you can bet I'd
> > use it on what I WANTED, not necessarily what they had in stock at that
> > point in time.
> >
> > Ever thought about arranging to ship everything but the nosecone, and
> > providing a date on which the nosecone would ship?
>
> Let's see, that was 1998, this is oh... two years later? I estimate
> that the nose cone might be done...oh, NEVER?!?
TWO YEARS since it was ordered? Yeesh! Okay, that's beyond
unreasonable, that's at the point of "never gonna be delivered".
-Kevin
William E. Maness
some replacement prizes to make up for the US Rockets no-shows. If
Irvine owes anyone on that particular gig, it's me. Of course, I don't
intend to spend any horsepower trying to collect.
- Bill Maness
Cochran Ted
<ddmo...@uhostme.com> wrote:
>Let's see, that was 1998, this is oh... two years later? I estimate
>that the nose cone might be done...oh, NEVER?!?
Must be that rare 30 month epoxy they're using.
NOT!
--tc
My opinions only.
grassy
according to www.networksoulitions.com?
Jerry Irvine <01ro...@gte.net> wrote in message
news:01rocket-270...@1cust126.tnt1.rancho-cucamonga.ca.da.uu.net..
.
chi...@my-deja.com
post somewhere in my collection of Jerry Irvine trivia......he
defaulted on his obligation and you picked up the slack.........it was
right after we had a big confrontation with mr Irvine on a live forum,
as to the T shirts, and then he had supposedly offered prizes for a
deal that he renegged on.IIRC it was something on RocketryOnline.I
guess you just have to join the ranks of the many that are owed by this
scam artist.
Foxeye
In article <8tdelk$q8c$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
Default
>
> > Open letter to Jerry Irvine:
> >
> > Dear Jerry,
> > I have purchased and paid for one of your rockets
> > a few months ago, yet you seem unable to deliver
> > it or answer my email regarding the rocket.
Jerry Irvine wrote:
> Open letter, eh? Why?
>
> Jerry
Um, Jerry? Hello? He wrote the open letter in hopes of getting a
response. It says above, "unable to deliver it or answer my email". He
has resorted to an open letter after two months of patience and attempts
at contact.
Jeezus you can be a kaniver.
Steve
Foxeye
to darn ignorant to be offended, or he would not do the stupid $hit he
does by screwing with peoples $$$$$. Its just that to really get the
jist of Jerry Irvine and all the negativity, it would take many many
looooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggggggg posts, to even attempt
to cover it all......Its been like a soap.....always a new twist,
always a new ficticious player popping in and out, and only the theme
remains the same........moneys paid, goods not delivered.......
I wonder if Hollywoood might like to make a story on the life and
times of Jerry Irvine in RMR, or perhaps, Something along the lines
of The Simpsons, would be more to the truth.......Jerry sort of
reminds me of Homer..........S T U P I D! and don't have a clue, and
to ignorant to recognize the fact he is a looser at what he is
pursuing..
On Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:33:18 GMT, daz...@grin.net wrote:
>x<>-chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>x<>-> Was is one thing, today and non-existant is another. Hasn't been
>x<>-> since I knew about it 3+ years or so........
>x<>-
>x<>-Well, I picked up that much already...
>x<>-I guess I'm wondering "what happened" and "when"...
>x<>-
>x<>-Perhaps it's of no present practical relevance; it remains a matter
>x<>-of historical curiosity to me. Excuse me if I'm offending people by
>x<>-asking...
>x<>-
>x<>--dave w
>x<>-
>x<>-
>x<>-
>x<>-Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>x<>-Before you buy.
Foxeye
this nose cone, I just can't wait to see it when its done ;-) Ought to
be one of a kind....but most stuff if any is one of a kind with Irvine
isn't it.
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:18:41 -0400, "Darrell D. Mobley"
<ddmo...@uhostme.com> wrote:
>x<>-Kevin Trojanowski wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> Gee, maybe because that's not the kit they WANT? If I had a voucher
>x<>-> good for some amount of dollars I could use at a vendor, you can bet I'd
>x<>-> use it on what I WANTED, not necessarily what they had in stock at that
>x<>-> point in time.
>x<>->
>x<>-> Ever thought about arranging to ship everything but the nosecone, and
>x<>-> providing a date on which the nosecone would ship?
>x<>-
>x<>-Let's see, that was 1998, this is oh... two years later? I estimate
>x<>-that the nose cone might be done...oh, NEVER?!?
Steve Coleman
Heres your chance to redeem yourself! I just ordered a Stinger Two kit
from the USR site. SKU#1006 Order #593 on 28 oct 00 01:24 PM.
How long before i get a confirmation call? Will it be shipped COD? What
will be the time frame that I can reasonably expect delivery? Will the
kit be as advertised?
This order will be chronicled here on RMR. If all goes well, You da Man,
If not, well i guess we knew that already.
I really want the rocket. A two stage with the features you purport for
49.95 is a steal. If all is well, and as you claim, I'll post your
laureates, but don't anyone out there hold your breath.
Steve Coleman
ILLIGITIMI NON CARBORUNDUM !!!
http://community.webtv.net/keywest12/HomebrewedRocketry
Steve Coleman
VERY INTERESTING!! and when he started USRockets, Oh MY! Shipping
restricted access motors to a minor without a leup, via air freight,
using Franks' EX numbers? Do the math... no wonder he's called "Teflon
Jerry" . The dude is like a cockroach. ya just can't get rid of him!!!
Sorry to pick that scab again, but folks oughtta be reminded from time
to time.
Steve Coleman
TRA#6416 L-3
Steve Coleman
Did you ever wonder about the close resemblance between Frank Kosdons'
TRULY RELOADABLE MOTORS and Irvines TRULY RECYCLEABLE MOTOR lines? the
design similarities (and rip-offs) are TRULY AMAZING!! Remember, he
(Irvine) was in with kosdon ( at least until his TRUEly colors were
revealed) and then, miraculously, Irvine is gonna set the rocket world
on its collective ear with the introduction of his TRM system at
USRockets. I'd bet that the propellant formulae are TRULY SIMILAR as
well!!!
Steve Coleman
R. J. Talley
press kits. If someone was looking for a "Memento" of their Irvine
experience one of these might do the trick. Price negotiable. :)
--
R. J. Talley
NAR 69594
"To do is to be"...Descarts
"To be is to do"...Voltaire
"Do be, Do be, do"...Sinatra
<daz...@grin.net> wrote in message news:8t7kjb$36e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > do a damned search on deja and get caught up with the story
>
> Only one problem... deja search only goes back to May '99 these days.
>
> From what I've seen so far, the "decline of US Rockets from actual
> supplier to flaky vaporware" occurred well before that, so saying
> "go do a search on deja" is not a useful alternative to posting an
> answer to someone's question.
>
> (Deja is not what it used to be - evidently the web interface/archive
> for usenet is now considered just a burdensome sideline to this whole
> "product rating" operation. One notes that its slogan has changed from
> "share what you know, learn what you don't" to "before you buy".)
>
> -dave w
Hank Ball
Sacramento before I ever heard of Jerry Irvine.
Hank Ball
David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote in message
news:39F8FE59...@grin.net...
> Foxeye wrote:
> > Only thing I seen that was faster....and that was
> > Jerry cashing a check he receives from unsuspecting
> > vapor ware buyers.
>
> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>
Woody4828
worked well and I have never had the urge to test whether USR would
deliver as promised, My only reason to post was to respond that he
(Irvine) at one time had motors to deliver, no judgements or
speculation on my part, merely an observation.
--
Woody4828-trying to work and play well with others.
From the land of no "real" beer (UT).
Beer is God's gift to man.
Jerry Irvine
chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Was is one thing, today and non-existant is another. Hasn't been
> since I knew about it 3+ years or so........
>
So all those DELIVERED tech reports and BFF kits were figments of hundreds
of people's imaginations. Hmmm.
Foxeye is now a PROVEN liar.
>
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:11:10 GMT, Woody4828 <wood...@my-deja.com>
> wrote:
>
> >x<>-In article <39F8FE59...@grin.net>,
> >x<>- David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote:
> >x<>-> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
> >x<>-> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
> >x<>-> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
> >x<>->
> >x<>-> -dave w
> >x<>-
> >x<>-I don't know and could give a sh!t about the history o' Jerry, but he
> >x<>-was onsite at LDRS at Hartsel in 97 and was selling motors, I seem to
> >x<>-remember only 1 failure. I think he was demoing them prior to them
> >x<>-being certified, this is probably wrong and I'm sure he'll correct me
> >x<>-if so, Just posted to tell you at one time he did have an actual
> >x<>-product to sell and was selling it.
--
Jerry Irvine
<hballn...@cncnet.com> wrote:
> Hey David, they were real; I bought a 4" Stub rocket from R/C Country in
> Sacramento before I ever heard of Jerry Irvine.
>
> Hank Ball
>
The minority of people willing to chime in with actual experiences is
interesting so they are bot subjected to harassment for weeks.
But this post alone proves Foxeye's post that USR does not exist is another LIE.
One of many.
Makes the soap opera continue and gives him something to do with his
pathetic life.
Jerry
Space is the place.
> David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote in message
> news:39F8FE59...@grin.net...
> > Foxeye wrote:
> > > Only thing I seen that was faster....and that was
> > > Jerry cashing a check he receives from unsuspecting
> > > vapor ware buyers.
> >
> > You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
> > an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
> > functioning supplier delivering actual product?
> >
> > -dave w
> >
> >
> > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> > http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
> > -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----
--
Foxeye
the kits that people have paid for dumbass....BIG difference
Jerry........You used the free tech reports as a bait for folks to
send you jmoney for rockets that you never delivered, just like the T
shirts..........As for the definition of LIAR...look in the
dictionary, your picture is nect to the meaning!
You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you in the ass!
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:05:19 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
wrote:
>x<>-In article <pv3kvssq9klb13mmr...@4ax.com>,
>x<>-chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> Was is one thing, today and non-existant is another. Hasn't been
>x<>-> since I knew about it 3+ years or so........
>x<>->
>x<>-
>x<>-So all those DELIVERED tech reports and BFF kits were figments of hundreds
>x<>-of people's imaginations. Hmmm.
>x<>-
>x<>-Foxeye is now a PROVEN liar.
>x<>-
>x<>->
>x<>-> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:11:10 GMT, Woody4828 <wood...@my-deja.com>
>x<>-> wrote:
>x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-In article <39F8FE59...@grin.net>,
>x<>-> >x<>- David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote:
>x<>-> >x<>-> You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
>x<>-> >x<>-> an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
>x<>-> >x<>-> functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>x<>-> >x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-> -dave w
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-I don't know and could give a sh!t about the history o' Jerry, but he
>x<>-> >x<>-was onsite at LDRS at Hartsel in 97 and was selling motors, I seem to
>x<>-> >x<>-remember only 1 failure. I think he was demoing them prior to them
>x<>-> >x<>-being certified, this is probably wrong and I'm sure he'll correct me
>x<>-> >x<>-if so, Just posted to tell you at one time he did have an actual
>x<>-> >x<>-product to sell and was selling it.
Foxeye
have more enemies and pissed off folks at you than you have that are
willing to say they like you.... Pathetic scum bag that you
are........
Just foxeye
On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 20:13:01 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
wrote:
>x<>-In article <Pz7L5.511$rF4....@newshog.newsread.com>, "Hank Ball"
>x<>-<hballn...@cncnet.com> wrote:
>x<>-
>x<>-> Hey David, they were real; I bought a 4" Stub rocket from R/C Country in
>x<>-> Sacramento before I ever heard of Jerry Irvine.
>x<>->
>x<>-> Hank Ball
>x<>->
>x<>-
>x<>-The minority of people willing to chime in with actual experiences is
>x<>-interesting so they are bot subjected to harassment for weeks.
>x<>-
>x<>-But this post alone proves Foxeye's post that USR does not exist is another LIE.
>x<>-
>x<>-One of many.
>x<>-
>x<>-Makes the soap opera continue and gives him something to do with his
>x<>-pathetic life.
>x<>-
>x<>-Jerry
>x<>-
>x<>-Space is the place.
>x<>-
>x<>-> David Weinshenker <daz...@grin.net> wrote in message
>x<>-> news:39F8FE59...@grin.net...
>x<>-> > Foxeye wrote:
>x<>-> > > Only thing I seen that was faster....and that was
>x<>-> > > Jerry cashing a check he receives from unsuspecting
>x<>-> > > vapor ware buyers.
>x<>-> >
>x<>-> > You still haven't answered my actual question: Was US Rockets
>x<>-> > an empty scam from the beginning, or was it once actually a
>x<>-> > functioning supplier delivering actual product?
>x<>-> >
>x<>-> > -dave w
>x<>-> >
>x<>-> >
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Hank Ball
with Jerry, but lay off me or I'll just write you off as just another
asshole.
If you read my post you would see that I bought this rocket from R/C
Country, a hobby shop in Sacramento. I had never even heard of Jerry Irvine
at the time and had no reason to not buy the rocket as it was right there in
front of me in a Hobby Shop that I respect and have done business with in
the past. Even you should be able to understand that R/C Country is not
affiliated with Jerry Irvine, nor am I. If you read my post as supporting
Jerry, you are mistaken.
Hank Ball
Foxeye <chi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1e4kvsob465us8h6u...@4ax.com...
Darrell D. Mobley
> So all those DELIVERED tech reports and BFF kits were figments of hundreds
> of people's imaginations. Hmmm.
Jerry, why do you choose to ignore the posts about the 6" Big Bertha kit
you promised? Or the two winners of the ROL 100k contest?
> Foxeye is now a PROVEN liar.
Takes one to know one, and you should be able to spot them from Pluto.
Richard Pitzeruse
I can't say I blame you for being ticked at Jerry, but geez! What would
you be like if someone ripped you off for something worth more than a
t-shirt?? I would hate to know.
I thought I should mention that kids do come into rmr alot, and I don't
think your rants and raves are always exactly appropriately worded. The
one below is pretty mild compared to others we have all seen.
-Rich (just another person sick and tired of watching this dead horse
getting beaten)
Foxeye wrote:
>
> Tech reports for free, was it, thats a far cry from actually producing
> the kits that people have paid for dumb***....BIG difference
> Jerry........You used the free tech reports as a bait for folks to
> send you jmoney for rockets that you never delivered, just like the T
> shirts..........As for the definition of LIAR...look in the
> dictionary, your picture is nect to the meaning!
>
> You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you in the ***!
>
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
Richard Pitzeruse x-3711
Photographer
Photo & Imaging Center mailto:rmpi...@mailbox.syr.edu
Syracuse University http://rmpitzer.syr.edu
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Hank Ball
chi...@hotmail.com wrote:
> Tech reports for free, was it, thats a far cry from actually producing
> the kits that people have paid for dumbass....BIG difference
> Jerry........You used the free tech reports as a bait for folks to
> send you jmoney for rockets that you never delivered, just like the T
> shirts..........As for the definition of LIAR...look in the
> dictionary, your picture is nect to the meaning!
>
> You wouldn't know the truth if it jumped up and bit you in the ass!
>Hey Foxeye, you sound like someone who has been duped by Jerry
Irvine. If you have, you have my condolences; you must not have known
anything about him prior to sending in your money.
Next time, you might think about buying from a Hobby shop where the
product is right there in front of you and you can see what you are
getting.
Hank Ball
GCGassaway
Irvine. If you have, you have my condolences; you must not have known
anything about him prior to sending in your money.<<<<
Whoa boy, is that ever not the case. Foxeye was one of Jerry's biggest
supporters. One of the "give Jerry a chance" types. And then the "inevitable"
happened, in that case the T-shirt mess.
Foxeye was so PO-ed at being not only screwed by the $ but I assume more so
being DUPED into supporting Jerry all along that he has become Irvine's biggest
online enemy.
Spo, yes, Foxeye was warned but he didn't listen. Now HE is the one doing the
warnings, lest others be duped the same. He might go at it a bit overboard at
times, but that's in part because he got duped so badly and because Irvine is
such a slippery eel. Heck you almost need a translation book to interpret
"Irvinespeak" from many of Jerry's messages.
- George Gassaway
Hank Ball
cucamonga.ca.da.uu.net>,
01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> In article <Pz7L5.511$rF4....@newshog.newsread.com>, "Hank Ball"
> <hballn...@cncnet.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey David, they were real; I bought a 4" Stub rocket from R/C
Country in
> > Sacramento before I ever heard of Jerry Irvine.
> >
> > Hank Ball
> >
>
> The minority of people willing to chime in with actual experiences is
> interesting so they are bot subjected to harassment for weeks.
>
> But this post alone proves Foxeye's post that USR does not exist is
another LIE.
>
> One of many.
>
> Makes the soap opera continue and gives him something to do with his
> pathetic life.
>
> Jerry
>Hey Jerry, just because I bought a U.S. Rockets rocket from R/C
Country over a year ago doesn't mean that you aren't ripping people
off. Had I known your reputation when I purchased the rocket, I doubt
that I would have bought it. As it is, I am able to divorce myself
from the thought that you ever touched the rocket in kit form and can
still enjoy flying it from time to time.
My mention of having bought a kit was only a courtesy to David
Weinshenker, whose question had yet to be answered.
Fred Shecter
-Shread Vector NRA #1 Paramount Leader
Foxeye <chi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gu730tgu00g18rklf...@4ax.com...
> The slam was not intended or really directed at you, it was at
> Jerry..as his main source of income is suckers that buy into his ploy
> of having a real rocket company....I appologize for offending you, but
> like I said it was aimed directly at Jerry between his 2 beady eyes!
> Regards
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:41:32 GMT, "Hank Ball"
> <hballn...@cncnet.com> wrote:
>
> >x<>-Hey Foxeye, I don't appreciate being called a sucker. You may have a
beef
> >x<>-with Jerry, but lay off me or I'll just write you off as just another
> >x<>-asshole.
> >x<>-
> >x<>-If you read my post you would see that I bought this rocket from R/C
> >x<>-Country, a hobby shop in Sacramento. I had never even heard of Jerry
Irvine
> >x<>-at the time and had no reason to not buy the rocket as it was right
there in
> >x<>-front of me in a Hobby Shop that I respect and have done business
with in
> >x<>-the past. Even you should be able to understand that R/C Country is
not
> >x<>-affiliated with Jerry Irvine, nor am I. If you read my post as
supporting
> >x<>-Jerry, you are mistaken.
> >x<>-
> >x<>-Hank Ball
> >x<>-
> >x<>-Foxeye <chi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >x<>-news:1e4kvsob465us8h6u...@4ax.com...
> >x<>-> Darn, you mean you found another sucker to by USR again....you
should
> >x<>-> have been a used car salesman dude!
> >x<>->
> >x<>->
> >x<>-> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:46:19 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
> >x<>-> wrote:
> >x<>->
> >x<>-> >x<>-In article <20001023221033...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
> >x<>-> >x<>-bige...@aol.com (BigEmo131) wrote:
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-> I personally have never ordered anything from Jerry myself
so I am
> >x<>-no
> >x<>-> >x<>-tgoing to
> >x<>-> >x<>-> make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh
newsgroup.
> >x<>-I am just
> >x<>-> >x<>-> wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or
COD!
> >x<>-What could
> >x<>-> >x<>-> possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it,
credit
> >x<>-card- you have
> >x<>-> >x<>-> proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR
website I
> >x<>-thought they
> >x<>-> >x<>-> were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as
long as
> >x<>-they
> >x<>-> >x<>-> exist... Also, why not order from Performance Hobbies who
carries
> >x<>-USR
> >x<>-> >x<>-rockets?
> >x<>-> >x<>-> I have heard they are reliable dealers and have a huge
selection.
> >x<>-> >x<>->
> >x<>-> >x<>-> Alex Immerman
> >x<>-> >x<>->
> >x<>-> >x<>-> Alex Immerman
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-I am not going to respond to all the rubbish posted to this
thread,
> >x<>-almost
> >x<>-> >x<>-100% of it is rubbish.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-Anybody who wants to purchase USR products can do so on bill
on
> >x<>-delivery
> >x<>-> >x<>-which is BETTER than COD or credit card. It is invoice. You
do not
> >x<>-even
> >x<>-> >x<>-need to disclose your payment particulars till you have
received the
> >x<>-goods
> >x<>-> >x<>-in good condition.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-The folks who post drivel here either have not ordered, or
have
> >x<>-ordered
> >x<>-> >x<>-and misstated what they received because it was their sole
purpose to
> >x<>-> >x<>-disparage USR from the start. I cite foxeye an a perfect
example of
> >x<>-that.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-The vast majority of people who have ordered from USR from rmr
are
> >x<>-HAPPY.
> >x<>-> >x<>-Plenty of people received AIR-5 Boosted Dart reports and
ordered
> >x<>-other
> >x<>-> >x<>-books. Many people received a BFF kit caled Fire and Forget,
over a
> >x<>-> >x<>-hundred IIRC.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-There may be examples of imperfection but none of them are
less than
> >x<>-8
> >x<>-> >x<>-years old and verifiable, and in the rare instance there is a
pending
> >x<>-> >x<>-transaction in the past 30-60 days it either is with notice of
the
> >x<>-buyer
> >x<>-> >x<>-or with a refund of any monies paid in advance refunded while
they
> >x<>-wait.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-If there EVER are any legitimate exceptions to that, PLEASE
email me
> >x<>-at
> >x<>-> >x<>-01ro...@gte.net, or if you INSIST on dealing with the new
owners use
> >x<>-> >x<>-in...@usrockets.com.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-I hope to be employed by USR for many years to come no matter
who
> >x<>-owns
> >x<>-> >x<>-it. Great company, good products.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-I invite people to see for themselves risk- free or at minimum
shut
> >x<>-up.
> >x<>-> >x<>-
> >x<>-> >x<>-Jerry
> >x<>->
> >x<>-
>
Foxeye
Jerry..as his main source of income is suckers that buy into his ploy
of having a real rocket company....I appologize for offending you, but
like I said it was aimed directly at Jerry between his 2 beady eyes!
Regards
On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 02:41:32 GMT, "Hank Ball"
<hballn...@cncnet.com> wrote:
>x<>-Hey Foxeye, I don't appreciate being called a sucker. You may have a beef
>x<>-with Jerry, but lay off me or I'll just write you off as just another
>x<>-asshole.
>x<>-
>x<>-If you read my post you would see that I bought this rocket from R/C
>x<>-Country, a hobby shop in Sacramento. I had never even heard of Jerry Irvine
>x<>-at the time and had no reason to not buy the rocket as it was right there in
>x<>-front of me in a Hobby Shop that I respect and have done business with in
>x<>-the past. Even you should be able to understand that R/C Country is not
>x<>-affiliated with Jerry Irvine, nor am I. If you read my post as supporting
>x<>-Jerry, you are mistaken.
>x<>-
>x<>-Hank Ball
>x<>-
>x<>-Foxeye <chi...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>x<>-news:1e4kvsob465us8h6u...@4ax.com...
>x<>-> Darn, you mean you found another sucker to by USR again....you should
>x<>-> have been a used car salesman dude!
>x<>->
>x<>->
>x<>-> On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:46:19 GMT, 01ro...@gte.net (Jerry Irvine)
>x<>-> wrote:
>x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-In article <20001023221033...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
>x<>-> >x<>-bige...@aol.com (BigEmo131) wrote:
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-> I personally have never ordered anything from Jerry myself so I am
>x<>-no
>x<>-> >x<>-tgoing to
>x<>-> >x<>-> make any judgements based on things I have heard in teh newsgroup.
>x<>-I am just
>x<>-> >x<>-> wondering- why send cash or check? Order by CREDIT CARD or COD!
>x<>-What could
>x<>-> >x<>-> possibly happen then? COD- you get it then pay for it, credit
>x<>-card- you have
>x<>-> >x<>-> proof of your purchase. The first time I saw the USR website I
>x<>-thought they
>x<>-> >x<>-> were some cool kits- and they have potential to be nice as long as
>x<>-they
>x<>-> >x<>-> exist... Also, why not order from Performance Hobbies who carries
>x<>-USR
>x<>-> >x<>-rockets?
>x<>-> >x<>-> I have heard they are reliable dealers and have a huge selection.
>x<>-> >x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-> Alex Immerman
>x<>-> >x<>->
>x<>-> >x<>-> Alex Immerman
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-I am not going to respond to all the rubbish posted to this thread,
>x<>-almost
>x<>-> >x<>-100% of it is rubbish.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-Anybody who wants to purchase USR products can do so on bill on
>x<>-delivery
>x<>-> >x<>-which is BETTER than COD or credit card. It is invoice. You do not
>x<>-even
>x<>-> >x<>-need to disclose your payment particulars till you have received the
>x<>-goods
>x<>-> >x<>-in good condition.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-The folks who post drivel here either have not ordered, or have
>x<>-ordered
>x<>-> >x<>-and misstated what they received because it was their sole purpose to
>x<>-> >x<>-disparage USR from the start. I cite foxeye an a perfect example of
>x<>-that.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-The vast majority of people who have ordered from USR from rmr are
>x<>-HAPPY.
>x<>-> >x<>-Plenty of people received AIR-5 Boosted Dart reports and ordered
>x<>-other
>x<>-> >x<>-books. Many people received a BFF kit caled Fire and Forget, over a
>x<>-> >x<>-hundred IIRC.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-There may be examples of imperfection but none of them are less than
>x<>-8
>x<>-> >x<>-years old and verifiable, and in the rare instance there is a pending
>x<>-> >x<>-transaction in the past 30-60 days it either is with notice of the
>x<>-buyer
>x<>-> >x<>-or with a refund of any monies paid in advance refunded while they
>x<>-wait.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-If there EVER are any legitimate exceptions to that, PLEASE email me
>x<>-at
>x<>-> >x<>-01ro...@gte.net, or if you INSIST on dealing with the new owners use
>x<>-> >x<>-in...@usrockets.com.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-I hope to be employed by USR for many years to come no matter who
>x<>-owns
>x<>-> >x<>-it. Great company, good products.
>x<>-> >x<>-
>x<>-> >x<>-I invite people to see for themselves risk- free or at minimum shut
Mark Simpson
"William E. Maness" wrote:
> Hey, I remember this. Impulse Aerospace, now Rocket Vision, ponied up
> some replacement prizes to make up for the US Rockets no-shows. If
> Irvine owes anyone on that particular gig, it's me. Of course, I don't
> intend to spend any horsepower trying to collect.
I remembered that. It was a classy thing to do by a class individual. My
hat was off to you then and still is today.
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
Jim Z in VT
Foxeye wrote:
> The slam was not intended or really directed at you, it was at
Foxey slamming Jerry?! Now there's an unusual turn of events ;-)