Re: Early Model Rocket Timeline

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Joe Pfeiffer

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Sep 19, 2005, 6:21:03 PM9/19/05
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Good work!

I noticed a few typos (especially "B." Harry Stine), and there are a
few holes that could be filled:

What is or was the ARS?

When Stine lost control of MMI, what happened to the other founders?
And when he moved to New Canaan with only a minority interest in the
company, presumably you mean MMI and not that he wound up with a
minority interest in Estes?

Were any of the other pioneers involved when Estes was formed?
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shockwaveriderz

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For the past 3 years I have been collecting information about the early
history of model rocketry. I am a firm beleiver that this infomation should
not be lost to potential future generations of Model Rocketers. I feel by
placing it here in RMR along with several others online sources, it will
survive digitally into the future.

This current lsiting is incomplete. It is NOT meant to be the last word on
our history. As I gather more data I will add the new and additional
information. I hope all of you will enjoy this. If anybody has any
additional timeline points they know or think would be of interest on this
timeline, please email me offline.

Terry Dean
aka shockie B)


Historical Model Rocketry Timeline...Version 2 9/2005

5-6/52 G.Harry Stine graduates from Colorado College in Colorado,Springs,CO
with a B.A. In Physics

1953 Robert(Bob) Carlisle (NAVAL Reserve pilot) approaches his brother Orv
with the idea of a model rocket for use in his lectures on the history of
aviation presentation.

8/30/54 Orv H. Carlisle applies for Toy Rocket Patent #2,841,084

1955 G.Harry Stine goes to work at White Sands

5/6 1956 Lee(Leroy) Piester future owner of Centuri Enginnering graduates
from high school.

1/57 G.Harry Stine receives 1st letter from Orv.H. Carlisle after Carlise
read 2/57 G.Harry Stine article titled, "Conquest of Space",in Mechanix
Illustrated.

2/57 G.Harry Stine article appears in Mechanix Illustrated

2/57 G.Harry Stine Receives Orv Carlisle Rock-A-Chute package in the mail.

3-5/57 G.Harry Stine and Orv H. Carlisle INDEPENDENTLY develop electrical
ignition systems for Model Rockets. Also during this time frame, Orv H.
Carlise and G.Harry Stine jointly(?) develops first multi-staged model
rocket, called the Parabee.

SUMMER 1957 G.Hary Stine and Orv H. Carlisle meet for the first time.

SUMMER 1957 G.Harry Stine and Orv H. Carlisle get BOE approval for model
rockets motors as ICC Class C Toy Propellant Devices.

9/57 Dope Can notice about Model Rockets appears in AM magazine

10/57 Sputnik 1 is Launched

10/57 Mechanix Illustrated Article about 1st Model Rockets called
Rock-A-Chutes published; titled, " Shoot Your Own", by G.Harry Stine. The
article begins: " Amateur Rocketeers who have been waiting for a chance to
shoot their own rockets skyward may be just a step away from lighting the
fuse"

10/57 Model Missile,Inc is formed by G.Harry Stine,and Orv H. Carlise.

10/57 G.Harry Stine with the help of Orv H. Carlisle get Lawrence and
Herbert Brown (Father/Son) of Brown Manufacturing (Zenith Fireworks)to make
the Rock-a-chute Model rocket motors.

11/57 The Model Missile Assn was formed by G. Harry Stine
(predecessor to NAR) The Model Missile Association was incorporated on
November 5, 1957 with original signers Orville H. Carlisle, G. Harry
Stine,and Barbara K. Stine. [That's the date on the notarized articles.] The
filing date was November 7, 1957. The three signers were designated as the
founding trustees of the Association.

11/57 Sputnik 2 was launched

EARLY 1958 "Handling the Amateur Rocketry Problem" by the NFPA FOUNDER is
published

1/58 1st meeting of the MMA takes place in the Hammond Organ Studio on
ColoradoBlvd.; Denver, CO; 150 people attended and 100 people signed on as
charter members. Werner Von Braun was both an ARS member and a NAR member (#
18) ( As G.Harry Stine also was an ARS member)

1/58 "Skip" and Richard.D Keller, G.Harry Stine's Father and Brother-in-laws
invest in Model Missiles,Inc

2/58 First issue of Model Rocketeer published.

4/58 First MMI "Aerobee-Hi" Model Rocket Kit 001 becomes available

4/58 American Modeler magazine article about model rockets By G.Harry Stine,
titled, "The Do-It-Yourself Rocketters". The Cover states: Safety's the
Watchword with the Model Misile Association: The Do-It=Yourself Rocketeers."
Has some extensive anti-AR propaganda in article.

5/58 American Modeler magazine article by G.Harry Stine about MMI Model
Missiles Inc the worlds first Model Rocket company titled, "Manufacturing
Model MIssiles Sounds As Difficult As Turning Out Real "Birds"."

7/1/58 Orv H. Carlisle receives patent # 2,841.084 on "Toy Rocket"

7/58 Vernon Estes walks into MMI offices and announces he can make model
rocket motors "better and cheaper."

7/58 Vernon Estes starts work on creating "MABEL-1".

9/58 Positive review of Rock-A-Chutes in AM magazine by Cal Smith titled, "
Smith & Smith try Aerobee-HI"

10/58 MMA becomes NAR->On October 25, 1958 an amendment to the articles of
incorporation was filed with the state of Colorado to change the name of the
association to the National Association of Rocketry, define the Board of
Trustees as a body not to exceed thirteen members, and to define Junior,
Senior, and Honorary membership classes.

11/58 The ARS report/study is done based on the NFPA Report data from early
1958. The propaganda war against Amateur Rocketry begins in full force.

12/58 Another positive article about Model Rocketry by G.Harry Stine titled,
"Colorado's Little Canaveral".

1958 Reaction Motors,Inc merges with Thiokol Chemical

1/59 Vern Estes' "MABEL-1" spits out 1st Model Rocket Motor for MMI

1/59 Model Rocket article titled, " Jupiter-C" appears in Flying Models
magazine, authored by Eugene Thomas.

1/59 ARS passes the following Motion:
"The American Rocket Society reaffirms its strong stand in opposition to any
amateur experimentation whatsoever with rocket propellants or rocket
propellant materials of any kind."

Early 1959: the ARS report "Amateur Rocketry; A Delineation of the Problem ,
a Policy Statement and a Program for Action by the American Rocket Society"
is published.

2/59 G.Harry Stine, MMI and model rockets are discussed in Congressional
Record by James. G. Fulton , rep. from PA.

5/16/59 Ist NAR Model Rocket Competition held Hogback Range Green Mountain
Denver,CO

July 24, 1959 Vernon Estes applied for "Toy Model Rocket" patent #
3,125,955.

July 30, 1959 G.Harry Stine loses control of MMI at a board meeting to
Richard D. Keller.

8/59 issue of AM magazine publishes article entitled, "Rocket College for
Model Makers", an amateur rocket seminar series hosted by Capt. Bertrand R.
Brinley, held in NY and Washington,DC.

EARLY 1960 Estes Industries,Inc is formed and 1st Estes Industries catalog
is published

July 1960 G.Harry Stine moves to New Canaan, Connecticut in with only a
minority shareholders interest in the company.

8/60 NARAM-2 held in Colorado Springs,CO

1961 Centuri Enginneering starts up.

6/7 1961 Estes Industries moves from Denver,CO to Penrose,CO

shockwaveriderz

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Sep 19, 2005, 8:00:04 PM9/19/05
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Joe:

The American Rocket Society was formed in April 1931 as the American
Interplanetary Society by by David Lasser, G. Edward Pendray, Fletcher
Pratt, and nine others, for the "promotion of interest in and
experimentation toward interplanetary expeditions and travel.". The ARS
launched a series of small experimental rockets in the 1930's. This was the
"first" amateur rocket society in the USA. They changed their name to the
ARS in April 1934. Four members of the Society were Lovell Lawrence, Jr.,
John Shesta, James Hart Wyld and Hugh Franklin Pierce. These four were among
the core of the Society's Experimental Committee, and they went on. to found
the first commercial rocket engine company in the history of the United
States., Reaction Motors,Inc in 12/41. RMI merged with Thiokol in 1958 and
became known as the Reaction Mortors Division (RMD). Today Thiokol is known
as ATK http://www.atk.com/ .On February 1, 1963, the American Rocket
Society and the Institute of Aerospace Sciences merged to become the
American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA).
http://www.aiaa.org The IAS was formed in 1932 with Orville Wright as its
first honarary member. THe ARS was a contemporay to the German VfR Verein
fur Raumschiffahrt.

es, I meant that G.Harry Stine went to Conneticut with a minority interest
in MMI. I do not know the answers to your other questions. MMI was
"absorbed" to some degree ( ie they were bought out of excess and surplus
stock at bargain basement prices) by Early 1960 when Estes Industries was
formed by Vernon Estes.
as MMI folded in late 59/early 60. Why did MMI go out of business? I don't
know the answer to that..What was the reason for the Stine/Keller business
struggle? I don't know that.

shockie B)

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That is fascinating! Great post!

Randy
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Roy Green

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Sep 20, 2005, 12:35:29 AM9/20/05
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"shockwaveriderz" <shockwa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> es, I meant that G.Harry Stine went to Conneticut with a minority interest
> in MMI. I do not know the answers to your other questions. MMI was
> "absorbed" to some degree ( ie they were bought out of excess and
> surplus stock at bargain basement prices) by Early 1960 when Estes
> Industries was formed by Vernon Estes.
> as MMI folded in late 59/early 60. Why did MMI go out of business? I
> don't know the answer to that..What was the reason for the Stine/Keller
> business struggle? I don't know that.
>

Many of the first parts that Vern and Gleda sold in the first few years were
some of those excess MMI parts, particularly the
vinyl/rubber nose cone and what was eventually called the BT-40 tube. Some
of the other parts they sold were standard fireworks pieces, such as the
plastic fin units, which -- last time I checked a fireworks store in 1999 --
were still available.

While Gleda made the BT-30 parallel wound tubes herself, Vern said they
didn't make any of the BT-40 tubes, so that must've been a pretty big
inventory they bought from MMI for them to last nearly seven years, as they
were still listed in the '66 Estes catalog.

Roy
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shockwaveriderz wrote:

> Historical Model Rocketry Timeline...Version 2 9/2005

Wow! Good stuff, Terry! Thanks for sharing...

James
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Darren J Longhorn

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On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 17:27:04 GMT, "shockwaveriderz"
<shockwa...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>For the past 3 years I have been collecting information about the early
>history of model rocketry. I am a firm beleiver that this infomation should
>not be lost to potential future generations of Model Rocketers. I feel by
>placing it here in RMR along with several others online sources, it will
>survive digitally into the future.
>
>This current lsiting is incomplete. It is NOT meant to be the last word on
>our history. As I gather more data I will add the new and additional
>information. I hope all of you will enjoy this. If anybody has any
>additional timeline points they know or think would be of interest on this
>timeline, please email me offline.
>
>Terry Dean
>aka shockie B)
>
>
>Historical Model Rocketry Timeline...Version 2 9/2005

<snip>

Cool.

You should publish this on line somewhere.

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shockwaveriderz

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Sep 20, 2005, 6:28:26 PM9/20/05
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darren:
I will as soon as I get additional info on this time period 57-61... It
takes time to track down magazines and people from almost 50 years ago.

shockie B)

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Darren J Longhorn

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On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 22:28:26 GMT, "shockwaveriderz"
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>darren:
>I will as soon as I get additional info on this time period 57-61... It
>takes time to track down magazines and people from almost 50 years ago.

I'm sure!

Bruce Canino

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"shockwaveriderz" <shockwa...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1/57 G.Harry Stine receives 1st letter from Orv.H. Carlisle after Carlise
> read 2/57 G.Harry Stine article titled, "Conquest of Space",in Mechanix
> Illustrated.
>
> 2/57 G.Harry Stine article appears in Mechanix Illustrated
>

Is this right? He receives a letter from the article before it appears?


David Erbas-White

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Sep 23, 2005, 1:43:00 AM9/23/05
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Bruce Canino wrote:

As you well know, magazines appear on the newstands before their
'publication date'. The assumption one draws from this is that the 2/57
issue of Mechanix Illustrated carried the article, and that it was
released in 1/57 (or even 12/56, based on some of the magazines I've
seen). Thus, it would not be unusual for a reader to read and respond
to an article in the 'calendar month' prior to the publication date.

An alternative answer is that there was involvement of a time machine,
but...

David Erbas-White

Bob Kaplow

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Sep 23, 2005, 7:16:05 AM9/23/05
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Magazines regularly hit the stands or mailboxes a montth or more before
their cover date.

except for HPR :-)

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Vince

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"Bruce Canino" <cani...@voicenetnospam.com> wrote in message news:w9MYe.7222$iu5.4817@trndny04...

>
>> 1/57 G.Harry Stine receives 1st letter from Orv.H. Carlisle after Carlise
>> read 2/57 G.Harry Stine article titled, "Conquest of Space",in Mechanix
>> Illustrated.
>>
>> 2/57 G.Harry Stine article appears in Mechanix Illustrated
>>
>
> Is this right? He receives a letter from the article before it appears?

I'd be willing to bet "2/57" refers to the magazine issue date, and it was
probably mailed out a month before that.


david

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replying to shockwaveriderz, david wrote:
hello. Richard Keller is my grandfather. Would you like me to have him review
some of the timelines and report any changes if need be?

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shockwaveriderz

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replying to david, shockwaveriderz wrote:
In stead of "Skip" and Richard Keller , that should be Kauth
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