It's worse than I thought, Mr. Ashcroft!
Marcus Leech
I hope that you've given my previous missive some serious consideration,
Mr. Ashcroft. The safety of the entire *free world* is at stake here.
Your department cannot afford to take pandering-to-the-liberals half-measures
here, I assure you!
Since my previous letter, I've come upon some other very serious issues that
you MUST ADDRESS immediately.
You and your band of freedom fighters may know that ALL of the high-explosives
on the market today are based on the nitration of various organic substances
using nitric acid. Perhaps the most famous of these is the mono-nitration
of ordinary glycerin, commonly known as "nitro-glycerin". Since the time
of "nitro-glycerin" there has have been hundreds of different organo-nitrate
explosives brought to the market: TNT, HMX, RDX, Semtex, etc, etc. The
would-be sandel-wearing terrorist need only find a book on the subject, and
a ready source of nitric acid, and he's off to the races, so to speak.
The naieve, knee-jerk, reaction would be to heavily-regulate the production,
distribution, and sale of nitric acid to protect all the god-fearing folks
on this planet from these heathens. That would be naieve, indeed!
AIR and WATER, Mr. Ashcroft, AIR and WATER is all these wild-eyed zealots need
to produce arbitary quantities of quality, untagged, high explosives. Using
a modern version of a process developed BY THE GERMANS in WWII!, these
sons-of-bitches can produce ammonia, followed by nitric acid. They can then
produce either high-quality, untagged, Ammonium Nitrate (remember McVeigh,
Mr. Ashcroft, remember McVeigh), or nitrate the living bejesus out of
ordinary organic substances too numerous to mention. Dixons book is
an unsettling and profound testament to the variety of ordinary,
innocent-sounding substances that can be bent to the will of the ungodly
through the sinister magic of nitration. I'm utterly-shocked, Mr. Ashcroft,
that you and your fine band of right-thinkers hasn't thought about this
disturbing threat.
I have thought very hard about what the solution is to this problem. Here's
what I've come up with.
I can't see any reasonable way to regulate the
air we breathe, but I think that control of water is possible. The average
human only needs about 5 litres of water a day to meet their basic needs.
That's not enough water to waste having showers, baths, etc, but some of
it can be used to maintain *basic* hygiene. After a while, the entire
nation will all stink roughly equally, so we won't notice. It's a small price
to pay for the freedom and democracy we've all come to love so much.
The government should act IMMEDIATELY to control the production, distribution,
and sale of water so that ordinary citizens have access to no more than
5 litres per day of water. Our waterways can be electric-fenced and
guarded to assure that no miscreant can carry off this subtle chemical
to their dastardly bomb factories. Obviously, industrial uses of water
abound. I can see no reason that the BATFE or some other enlightened agency
can't be involved in the licensing and *rigorous inspection and
enforcement* of industrial enterprises that use water. I see this ambititous,
yet fully achievable, project as providing full employment for every person
of employable age for at least the next 20 years. How about that for
an economic kick-in-the-pants?
I remain, sir, in your humble and vigilant service.
MONTMACH
Tell you what, Marcus: We'll give you Ashcroft for one case of Molson Golden.
Do we have a deal, eh?
Dave
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dave Griffith
NAR 14156
The R.A.T.T.-works
Monterey Machine Products
1504-A Industrial Park Street
Covina, CA 91722 U.S.A.
http://www.rattworks.com
Kurt Kesler
mont...@aol.com says...
Instead of a trade, how about we give him Ashcroft AND a case of Molson
for his trouble?
What about 2 cases?
3?
--
Kurt Kesler
Karl Martin Joseph Kowert
KMJK=1/2 German, makes me half right? Half wrong? Half a son-of-a-bitch?
:-)
BUT, 100% American IS what I am, no prefix or suffix.
Rocket on..........................
HDS
"Marcus Leech" <sa...@propulsionpolymers.com> wrote in message news:e1fbb9db.03061...@posting.google.com...
> Dear Mr. Ashcroft:
>
> I hope that you've given my previous missive some serious consideration,
> Mr. Ashcroft. The safety of the entire *free world* is at stake here.
> Your department cannot afford to take pandering-to-the-liberals half-measures
> here, I assure you!
My only fear on these letters is... Ashcroft probably has forward them to
the same people who came up with the Patriot Act, parts one and two...
And of course the SEA. Hundreds of just out of anti-Constitution Harvard
law school grads are busy working on these problems as we speak.
HDS
Jerry Irvine
sa...@propulsionpolymers.com (Marcus Leech) wrote:
Touche and
R O F L (again)
Jerry
--
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Opinion, the whole thing. <mail to:01ro...@gte.net>
Please bring common sense back to rocketry administration.
Produce then publish. http://www.usrockets.com
Jerry Irvine
mont...@aol.com (MONTMACH) wrote:
Fly Daves Hybrids. They work.
Marcus Leech
> I do take it you forwarded this to Mr. Ashcroft as well?
>
So far, no goons have showed up at my door. Satire as a form of
expressing political dissent is protected speech in both of
our countries, so we'll see.
I mean, if SNL can make fun of GW on national television, surely
this will stand the test...
Bob Kaplow
>>I remain, sir, in your humble and vigilant service.
>
> Tell you what, Marcus: We'll give you Ashcroft for one case of Molson Golden.
> Do we have a deal, eh?
Marcus:
Warning! You will be in grave danger unless you make the deal one bottle at
a time, in return for 1/24 of the AG at a time. That way, at worst, you're
only out one bottle if things fall through. And don't forget his brain
doesn't count.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD"
>>> To reply, remove the TRABoD! <<<
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KG8GC
are rid of him and all his croonies the better we will all be. I have no
respect for someone who is so anti-Constitution.
Just my two mils worth.
Karl Perry
Cincinnati, OH
Maybe I really should run for President in 2004. I could throw out ALL of the
top idiots in BATF&E and maybe we could really have the rules made based on
testing not on opinion.
Jerry Irvine
kg...@aol.com (KG8GC) wrote:
> I would not give anyone anything for Herr Ashcroft. Siegheil! The sooner we
> are rid of him and all his croonies the better we will all be. I have no
> respect for someone who is so anti-Constitution.
Point.
>
> Just my two mils worth.
>
> Karl Perry
> Cincinnati, OH
>
> Maybe I really should run for President in 2004. I could throw out ALL of the
> top idiots in BATF&E and maybe we could really have the rules made based on
> testing not on opinion.
Opinion, the whole thing :) :) :)
Bob Kaplow
> I would not give anyone anything for Herr Ashcroft. Siegheil! The sooner we
> are rid of him and all his croonies the better we will all be. I have no
> respect for someone who is so anti-Constitution.
Perhaps we should send him to Iraq or Afghanistan where he'd feel right at
home.
Mark Simpson
>
> You and your band of freedom fighters may know that ALL of the high-explosives
> on the market today are based on the nitration of various organic substances
> using nitric acid. Perhaps the most famous of these is the mono-nitration
> of ordinary glycerin, commonly known as "nitro-glycerin". Since the time
> of "nitro-glycerin" there has have been hundreds of different organo-nitrate
> explosives brought to the market: TNT, HMX, RDX, Semtex, etc, etc. The
> would-be sandel-wearing terrorist need only find a book on the subject, and
> a ready source of nitric acid, and he's off to the races, so to speak.
> The naieve, knee-jerk, reaction would be to heavily-regulate the production,
> distribution, and sale of nitric acid to protect all the god-fearing folks
> on this planet from these heathens. That would be naieve, indeed!
First off, nitroglycerin is a a tri-nitration of glycerin. All three
OH groups in glycerin are replaced with NO3's. It's explosive because
of the high degree of steric strain in the molecule and its high NO3/C
ratio.
Secondly, you can't produce NG using only nitric acid and glycerin.
The reaction needs something to remove the H2O formed during the
reaction. I won't go into any detail of how that is done, but it is
done using another commonly-available compound, so Marcus' analogy
still holds.
Oh, and while I'm being pedantic, it's spelled "naive". ;-)
Mark Simpson
NAR 71503 Level II
God Bless our victorious troops in the Middle East
Rick Dickinson
alleged to have written:
>sa...@propulsionpolymers.com (Marcus Leech) wrote in message news:<e1fbb9db.03061...@posting.google.com>...
>> on this planet from these heathens. That would be naieve, indeed!
>Oh, and while I'm being pedantic, it's spelled "naive". ;-)
No, it's spelled "naïve". An umlaut over a vowel is used to denote an
omitted following "e", so "naieve" is a perfectly legitimate
transliteration of the word.
- Rick "Dangling pedant" Dickinson
--
"Verbogeny is one of the pleasurettes of a creatific thinkerizer."
-- Peter da Silva
Marcus Leech
> sa...@propulsionpolymers.com (Marcus Leech) wrote in message news:<e1fbb9db.03061...@posting.google.com>...
> OH groups in glycerin are replaced with NO3's. It's explosive because
> of the high degree of steric strain in the molecule and its high NO3/C
> ratio.
> Secondly, you can't produce NG using only nitric acid and glycerin.
> The reaction needs something to remove the H2O formed during the
> reaction. I won't go into any detail of how that is done, but it is
> done using another commonly-available compound, so Marcus' analogy
> still holds.
> Oh, and while I'm being pedantic, it's spelled "naive". ;-)
>
Yup, you need H2SO4 to carry off the water. But that's easy enough to
make, or steal from a fresh car battery (and concentrate, I guess).
Leonard Fehskens
news:1vs1fvg67lc3j3ogc...@4ax.com:
>>Oh, and while I'm being pedantic, it's spelled "naive". ;-)
>
> No, it's spelled "naïve". An umlaut over a vowel is used to denote an
> omitted following "e", so "naieve" is a perfectly legitimate
> transliteration of the word.
It's not an umlaut (which is peculiar to German text), it's a dieresis,
and it's used to indicate that each of two adjacent vowels is pronounced
separately. Naieve is not a legitimate alternate spelling of naive.
len.
Mark Simpson
I believe that you can buy up to ~130+% H2SO4 commercially(Oleum).
Battery acid is typically 33% H2SO4 and not suitable without
concentrating like you stated....and don't forget the ice. >;-)
Mark Simpson
> Rick Dickinson <r...@notesguy.com> wrote in
> news:1vs1fvg67lc3j3ogc...@4ax.com:
>
> >>Oh, and while I'm being pedantic, it's spelled "naive". ;-)
> >
> > omitted following "e", so "naieve" is a perfectly legitimate
> > transliteration of the word.
>
> It's not an umlaut (which is peculiar to German text), it's a dieresis,
> and it's used to indicate that each of two adjacent vowels is pronounced
> separately. Naieve is not a legitimate alternate spelling of naive.
>
> len.
Thanks for watching my back there, Len. ;-)
Doug Sams
> It's not an umlaut (which is peculiar to German text), it's a dieresis,
> and it's used to indicate that each of two adjacent vowels is pronounced
> separately.
Len,
Is there a list somewhere (online) where the names of all these
characters and marks are listed? I know a few, but I'm sure there's
another name for "pound sign" as well as some of the others.
Doug
Why does saying "dieresis" make me wanna go pea?
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Marcus Leech
>
> I believe that you can buy up to ~130+% H2SO4 commercially(Oleum).
> Battery acid is typically 33% H2SO4 and not suitable without
> concentrating like you stated....and don't forget the ice. >;-)
>
buy H2SO4, or ice. Refrigerators would be removed from circulation,
just in case you're planning to use one to cool a nitration...
And there'd be a national program that removed all sulphate-bearing
minerals from the crustal united states, just in case. Epsom salts
would have to be removed from the shelves, etc, etc. What's the
process for converting random sulphates into H2SO4. My chemistry
is getting rusty.
David Weinshenker
It gets even worse... just think what you can do with oxygen... and
it's in the air all around us! We'll have to make it a crime to operate
a liquid air machine.
-dave w
John DeMar
> And there'd be a national program that removed all sulphate-bearing
> minerals from the crustal united states, just in case. Epsom salts
> would have to be removed from the shelves, etc, etc. What's the
> process for converting random sulphates into H2SO4. My chemistry
> is getting rusty.
Adds a whole new meaning to "fools gold" ;) Pyrite is one way to
get H2SO4. Somebody like Mark Simpson would have to fill in the process,
but I think you heat it up in air and pass it through a catalyst bed
then dilute it in water. Something like that.
-John DeMar
Mike Pearson <see .sig>
>
> Is there a list somewhere (online) where the names of all these
> characters and marks are listed? I know a few, but I'm sure there's
> another name for "pound sign" as well as some of the others.
In most of the rest of the world, the "pound sign" is the one for the
British Pound Sterling, and what we call the "pound sign" is called a
"hash mark".
If you're in the printing industry, # is commonly referred to as the
"octothorpe".
If you're a musician they're a 'sharp'.
Common computer use for the same symbol has been hex, gate, splat,
reticule, and a few others. The "!" was usually called the "bang".
(Is it true that the * is also the 'Nathan Hale', since he "had but one
asterisk"?) ;-)
There's a decent symbol pronunciation guide at
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rmutt/doc/pronunciation-guide.html that
shows a lot of the common terms used for many characters.
--
Mike KD7PVT
NAR #70953 - Sr/HPR Level-1 ~ SeaNAR - The Seattle NAR Section #568
NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net.
<Vegetables aren't food; vegetables are what the food eats!>
DaveL
>
> I believe that you can buy up to ~130+% H2SO4 commercially(Oleum).
Mark, you gotta explain that one to me. How can you have something that
is 130+% ? That's like saying you get 1.3 liters of H2SO4 for every 1
liter total solution.
Dave
David Weinshenker
It's pure H2SO4 with extra SO3 dissolved in it, IIRC...
-dave w
Jerry Irvine
nojunk@this_address.com (Mike Pearson <see .sig>) wrote:
> Doug Sams <doug_m...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there a list somewhere (online) where the names of all these
> > characters and marks are listed? I know a few, but I'm sure there's
> > another name for "pound sign" as well as some of the others.
>
> In most of the rest of the world, the "pound sign" is the one for the
> British Pound Sterling, and what we call the "pound sign" is called a
> "hash mark".
>
> If you're in the printing industry, # is commonly referred to as the
> "octothorpe".
Way too much informaton :)
>
> If you're a musician they're a 'sharp'.
>
> Common computer use for the same symbol has been hex, gate, splat,
> reticule, and a few others. The "!" was usually called the "bang".
>
> (Is it true that the * is also the 'Nathan Hale', since he "had but one
> asterisk"?) ;-)
>
> There's a decent symbol pronunciation guide at
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rmutt/doc/pronunciation-guide.html that
> shows a lot of the common terms used for many characters.
--
Marcus Leech
> Adds a whole new meaning to "fools gold" ;) Pyrite is one way to
> get H2SO4. Somebody like Mark Simpson would have to fill in the process,
> but I think you heat it up in air and pass it through a catalyst bed
> then dilute it in water. Something like that.
>
> -John DeMar
H2S gas. Burn the gas, and dissolve the result in water--that's
my recollection, anyway...
john k
Don't they teach chemistry any more in the US of A? We learned all
about nitration in high school chemistry in the UK. Even made guncotton
from cotton wool in Chem lab.