Pro Launch Remote Launcher ?
Bill Botook
consisted of greyish box which had a small antenna extending from the top
and a small remote resembling those used to remotely unlock your car doors.
It required an external 12v source. On the top were the words PRO LAUNCH.
Thats all I remember.
Are these still being produced ? Where can I get one ?
Thanks,
Bill
J...@trailertrashaerospace.com
control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
Joel. Corwith
"Bill Botook" <noemailforb...@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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Nope. Distance wasn't the greatest and the Feds didn't like the alternative
use. They weren't much happier with the extended range version either. You
can buy the remote components and make your own though.
Joel. phx
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> Thanks,
> Bill
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JDcluster
JD
"Bill Botook" <noemailforb...@anywhere.com> wrote in message
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> <J...@TrailerTrashAerospace.com> wrote in message
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> > Sorry 'bout that but the BATFE shut them down, can't be selling remote
> > control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
> >
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> Ahhhh.....i see. That sucks. And its stupid. OMG, they arent going to
> start regulating RC transmitters are they ?!?!
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Joel. Corwith
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> <J...@TrailerTrashAerospace.com> wrote in message
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> > control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
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> start regulating RC transmitters are they ?!?!
Nor are they going to prevent you from installing remote entry on your car.
Sorry, you're just too dangerous if you want to use it for rockets.
Joel. phx
Hope you don't have an un-registered garage door operator for heaven sakes.
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Phil Stein
(just kidding)
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wrote:
bit eimer
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> Sorry 'bout that but the BATFE shut them down, can't be selling remote
> control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
>
Is this serious? How can the BATFE shut them down? On what authority?
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Bob Kaplow
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>> Sorry 'bout that but the BATFE shut them down, can't be selling remote
>> control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
>
> Is this serious? How can the BATFE shut them down? On what authority?
EXACTLY what I was going to ask.
We really do need that constitutional ammendment that prohibits the
government from regulating prefectly legal activities, items, etc. jsut
because of a possible misuse. I'd suspect that the NRA would champion this
cause all the way, and we could ride on their coattails.
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Joel Corwith
I'm pretty sure it was them) was going to export software which included
encryption software. Strictly 'by the book', they purchased the software
from out of the country so they weren't 'exporting' it. The agency said
that was legal, but they would threaten vendors and customers with increased
IRS scrutiny if they chose that course of action.
How much hassle are you willing to put up with for a business which isn't
exactly a growth industry.
Joel. phx
"bit eimer" <bit_eimer....@cox.net> wrote in message
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XAVIEN
According to the designer of the PRO LAUNCH (Mike Luna) their were a
few reasons:
1. The ATF didn't like the distance, they couldn't "shut him down"
outright, but they could cause some issues for Mike in other ways. He
really didn't need that BS from them.
2. It took alot of work to wire up each system, unfortunately he
wasn't making any money out of it. So all the ATF troubles just added
to the reasons why he stopped making them, not enough money to buy
aspirin!
But he is working on some other cool stuff, so who knows what might
just pop up from him.
Best regards,
Steve
Steven Kosmerchock
* XAVIEN *
Phoenix, Az USA
www.xavien.com
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J...@trailertrashaerospace.com
nice guy too. And it's true that he wasn't making any money on his
launcher, he had pretty much discontinued production when the BATFE
leaned on him, so the joke was on them.
It's unfortunate that Mike IS such a nice guy, I'd have raised a
stink, screamed bloody murder, hired a lawyer etc.
Nothing I hate more than bullies, especially government agent law
enforcement types. I can't imagine anything so un-American, so
contrary to what we hold dear, so downright evil.
Every time crap like this comes up I always try to think around it,
ie, use APCP motors and HP rockets to shoot down airliners? Wouldn't
it be easier to use carbon fiber darts and compressed air? Regulate
that BITCHES!
Never ending nonsense....on our tax dollar.
Jim Rutkowski
Executive Chef - TrailerTrashAerospace
www.trailertrashaerospace.com
XAVIEN
I agree with you completely! I myself am not worried about HPR taking
anything down, we need to go to the real problems. We need to shut
down all of those finger nail clipper manufacturers who "are the devil
I say". Wait till someone uses one of those nasty little buggers to
cut a wing off of a 747 ;-)
Steve
Steven Kosmerchock
* XAVIEN *
Phoenix, Az USA
www.xavien.com
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Jerry Irvine
kapl...@encompasserve.org.TRABoD (Bob Kaplow) wrote:
> In article <cthlc.11066$k24.7828@fed1read01>, "bit eimer"
> <bit_eimer....@cox.net> writes:
> > <J...@TrailerTrashAerospace.com> wrote in message
> > news:a5ka90dje3tf1s0hk...@4ax.com...
> >> Sorry 'bout that but the BATFE shut them down, can't be selling remote
> >> control explosive detonators to the public....fer christ sakes...
> >
> > Is this serious? How can the BATFE shut them down? On what authority?
>
> EXACTLY what I was going to ask.
>
> We really do need that constitutional ammendment that prohibits the
> government from regulating prefectly legal activities, items, etc. jsut
> because of a possible misuse. I'd suspect that the NRA would champion this
> cause all the way, and we could ride on their coattails.
Lord knows NAR refuses.
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Arnold Roquerre
similar unit at:
http://afinow.com/SWT/RC%20Launcher/Launcher_tranmistter_receiver.htm
.
I really doubt that the FBI or BATF bothered to shut the guy down.
Economics probably was the culprit. The thought of the FBI or BATF
doing something so inane is truely too scary to conteplate.
Arnold
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Joel Corwith
"Arnold Roquerre" <arnold....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> You can find the list of components and instruction on how to build a
> similar unit at:
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> http://afinow.com/SWT/RC%20Launcher/Launcher_tranmistter_receiver.htm
> .
While that lists the company, I'm not sure if that was the initial unit or
the long range version. The keyless entry was perfect for those <100', but
I watched some interesting 'launch' positions as they tried with the high
power pads.
>
> I really doubt that the FBI or BATF bothered to shut the guy down.
> Economics probably was the culprit. The thought of the FBI or BATF
> doing something so inane is truely too scary to conteplate.
The fact that they were talking to him made me raise an eyebrow. I'll talk
to him more about it if he's at the launch on Saturday.
Joel. phx
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> Arnold
AZ Woody
And BTW, the "high power pad" version might have been under gov regs, even
before the ATF got involved... There's this other group, which get's little
mention on RMR called the "FCC", which controls RF emissions by strength,
frequency, etc.
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Paul Stevens
I just looked at the Linear Corp site www.linearcorp.com and the site listed
by Arnold, shows the old low power units they first used. Heard it had some
serious range issues as well. The unit I got from Mike has the mondo
Extended Range high power units. 12 Watts TX output! We line-of-site tested
ours and got 3+ miles!! According to the Linear site the cheaper Linear
units speced only to go 1500 ft. and you know that's on a good day with the
unit 4 feet in the air!. Not a N motor unit!
Mine's a monster and has never failed! Sorry to see he's not making them any
more. Based on the major construction on my unit and the stupid costs of the
parts, I don't know how he could afford to sell them for the price anyway!
"Fly, Baby, Fly"!
Paul
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Joel Corwith
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> Even for the "<100ft" there were times I saw him do the "keyfob dance"...
>
> And BTW, the "high power pad" version might have been under gov regs, even
> before the ATF got involved... There's this other group, which get's
little
> mention on RMR called the "FCC", which controls RF emissions by strength,
> frequency, etc.
The replacement unit was another off the shelf device, but I will ask about
that as well.
Joel. phx
Question is, will you be there?
Mike Luna
Man, there's a lot of stuff going on in this thread!
Here's the facts man!
I did receive a call from a unnamed agency inquiring if I was producing a
long range ignition device. I explained to them what use it was for and
that I was using off the shelf components and that was the end of the
conversation. I also informed them I had already stopped making the units
for resale. No direct insinuation of action was made at any point but the
conversation did make me feel a little bit above the radar for my liking. It
was a mute point as no more were being made or sold at this point.
These were incredibly well built and reliable systems but I was making very
little money on the systems and working 6 - 7 plus hours in my garage in the
middle of summer in AZ on each unit. This really helped me decide this was a
pain in the A** endevor and is why I stopped making the units except for
friends. The long range units I used in the ProLaunch 2 line were the Linear
Corp XR-4 and XT-4 tran and rec pair. The transmitter sent out a 10 - 12
watt signal and being a pulse coded signal in the 27 MHz range does not
require a FCC license.
The 0.5 watt Linear DXSR-1508 8 channel low power units were used in the
initial version of the ProLaunch which sold for $225.00. This transmitter
and receiver pair are too low power for reliable big away pad use but was
fine for close up stuff (400 or less ft). The unit must to be elevated to
cure ground plane interference.
That's the facts and nothing but the facts!
Thanks!
Mike Luna
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Joel Corwith
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> Hi all!
Oh thank heavens, now I don't have to talk to you ;)
Launching Saturday?
Joel. phx
> These were incredibly well built and reliable systems
And they look darn pretty too!
>
> That's the facts and nothing but the facts!
I sit corrected.
>
> Thanks!
> Mike Luna
Mike Luna
Nope got a honey do list to finish before a party Saturday night?
You launching anything?
Mike
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Joel Corwith
> Hi Joel!
>
> Nope got a honey do list to finish before a party Saturday night?
Not -THE LIST- !!!
>
> You launching anything?
I've got stuff in paint and several still ready from the scout launch.
Dahll gall wind. I collected 2 lbs of sand from INSIDE the tent!! The
scouts really got a kick out of the Little Johnny I had on display, I'll put
that up. If I have all the kids, I won't fly too much.
Joel. phx
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> Mike
Bill Botook
Certainly your products were and are still not illegal in any respect. I
would like to buy one of them. Do they exist in any form ? New or used ? Of
course I could use the transmitter I use to fly my giant-scale (15-50lb) RC
aircraft with, a Futaba 9C. Although it would be extremely reliable and
secure (PCM) it would also be cumbersome and just wouldnt be the "right tool
for the job". I would rather have one of your units. Please email me if
one becomes available. Thanks.
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Arnold Roquerre
long range. I think the price difference between the two is $10. I
haven't checked the site out for some time, but I know they had a long
range unit that could transmit miles and was still FCC Part 15
compliant.
It is so easy to make a remote control launch system that it would
really be a serious waste of federal and state money to control.
Airplane rc units, laser tag toys, a modified clap on clap off unit,
garage door openers, cell phones, old wireless home phones all can be
used. It really is a waste of time to attempt any control on remote
control devices. They are simply to ubiquitous to monitor.
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