Buying Frenzy fad?
Jerry Irvine
Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see how powerful
rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have to be a low enough price
point to assure fairly widespread adoption. It should be from a non-Estes
supplier to assure it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
like the month of September only, for example. By doing this for 12
products per year it would simultaniously help out the industry and make
an interesting test. Imagine the useful information that could be
obtained about a product and its company with so many diverse experiences
and uses.
Okay. I said it. Comments?
Jerry
"No I am NOT saying it should be a USR product."
--
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Box 1242, Claremont, CA 91711 USA
Opinion, the whole thing.
PaulDiming
In article <jjirvine-280...@host84.cyberg8t.com>,
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) writes:
>
>Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see how
powerful
>rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have to be a low enough price
>point to assure fairly widespread adoption. It should be from a
non-Estes
>supplier to assure it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
>like the month of September only, for example. By doing this for 12
>products per year it would simultaniously help out the industry and make
>an interesting test. Imagine the useful information that could be
>obtained about a product and its company with so many diverse experiences
>and uses.
>
>
Interesting idea Jerry. There is a side benefit. If the 12 are really
the start of a list of "RMR Recommended" products with some kind of review
for each one, the list could be quite a boon for BARs and folks coming in
to the hobby.
But I wonder. How would a group of folks on RMR decide on a product to
buy? How would the discussion work? Start a thread with a proposal.
Comment. Then vote after a given time frame? Sorry I don't have any
answers, but I am interested. Price is my only concern since I am lucky
to be able to buy a couple of model rockets a weekend.
Paul.
Fly Baby Fly!
Jerry Irvine
In article <505c97$2...@cnn.isc-br.com>, "Mark W. Howe"
<mh...@mail.spk.olivetti.com> wrote:
> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
> >how powerful rmr actually is.
> One a
> month seems a bit much, 3 or 4 a year I think would be better.
> I usually wait for SALES before purchasing...maybe we could
> entice a manufacturer to offer a discount for our "testing"...
My theory is that the people volunteering to purchase would rotate and
change anyway so one a month would reduce the time to wait till the next
time to see if it something you actually want to participate in.
Manufacturer discount is a good idea as would be distributor cooperation.
Good coments.
Jerry
Mark W. Howe
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
>to be a low enough price point to assure fairly widespread
>adoption. It should be from a non-Estes supplier to assure
>it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
>like the month of September only, for example. By doing this
>for 12 products per year it would simultaniously help out the
>industry and make an interesting test. Imagine the useful
>information that could be obtained about a product and its
>company with so many diverse experiences and uses.
>
>
>Jerry
>
>"No I am NOT saying it should be a USR product."
I think it is an excellant idea and would be willing to
participate. I agree it should be inexpensive and non-Estes
(let's give the other guys a chance). I don't care what
model is chosen, but I would suggest it use a 24mm motor so
that "low" and "mid" power flights are possible. One a
month seems a bit much, 3 or 4 a year I think would be better.
I usually wait for SALES before purchasing...maybe we could
entice a manufacturer to offer a discount for our "testing"...
--
Regards,
M.Howe
"Eschew Obfuscation"
Wolfram v.Kiparski
In article <jjirvine-280...@host84.cyberg8t.com>,
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see how powerful
> rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have to be a low enough price
> point to assure fairly widespread adoption. It should be from a non-Estes
> supplier to assure it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
> like the month of September only, for example. By doing this for 12
> products per year it would simultaniously help out the industry and make
> an interesting test. Imagine the useful information that could be
> obtained about a product and its company with so many diverse experiences
> and uses.
I like it. I suggest generalizing things a bit. Rather than a specific
product, let's "raid" a particular manufacturer or supplier. That way
anyone can buy what they feel like. I rarely buy kits, and probably
wouldn't buy anything high power. Voting on what to buy (or endorce) has
a potential to become such a drag as to make it not much fun anymore.
I think participation would be greater if we all agreed on "Company X" and
then each bought a little something.
It would be important to state:
"I am buying your product because Jerry told me to."
:-)
No, that wouldn't work.
How about,
"You are the rec.models.rockets rocket company of the month."
> "No I am NOT saying it should be a USR product."
Judging from the last USR product review that was posted here, I doubt
anyone would.
Wolf
The Silent Observer
Mark W. Howe wrote:
>
> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
> >how powerful rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have
> >to be a low enough price point to assure fairly widespread
> >adoption. It should be from a non-Estes supplier to assure
> >it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
> >like the month of September only, for example. By doing this
> >for 12 products per year it would simultaniously help out the
> >industry and make an interesting test. Imagine the useful
> >information that could be obtained about a product and its
> >company with so many diverse experiences and uses.
> >
> >
> >Jerry
> >
>
> participate. I agree it should be inexpensive and non-Estes
> (let's give the other guys a chance). I don't care what
> model is chosen, but I would suggest it use a 24mm motor so
> that "low" and "mid" power flights are possible. One a
> month seems a bit much, 3 or 4 a year I think would be better.
> I usually wait for SALES before purchasing...maybe we could
> entice a manufacturer to offer a discount for our "testing"...
Seems to me a Deltie Thunder would fit your criteria -- it's under $20,
reputed to fly very well, has a 24mm mount (and can be flown on a C with
an adapter), and filling a couple hundred orders for them would probably
make Rob Edmonds's entire week... B)
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Thomas Lee Grice
As for the mechanics of such a thing, how about an r.m.r. newsgroup
coupon. Print off as many as you want and take them to the store.
The manufacturer would have to grease the way with the retailer.
Make the coupon good for one month and for one model.
Perhaps make it good only for mail order.
What am I missing?
tlg
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JackW
>> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
>> >how powerful rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have
>> >to be a low enough price point to assure fairly widespread
>> >adoption. It should be from a non-Estes supplier to assure
>> >it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
>> >like the month of September only, for example. By doing this
>> >for 12 products per year it would simultaniously help out the
>> >industry and make an interesting test. Imagine the useful
>> >information that could be obtained about a product and its
>> >company with so many diverse experiences and uses.
>> >
>> >Okay. I said it. Comments?
>> >
>> >Jerry
>> >
Shall we vote on a manufacturer?
Jack Wiker
Mark W. Howe
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to
>> >see how powerful rmr actually is.
>> One a month seems a bit much, 3 or 4 a year I think would
>> be better.
>My theory is that the people volunteering to purchase would
>rotate and change anyway so one a month would reduce the
>time to wait till the next time to see if it something you
>actually want to participate in.
I misunderstood the original post. In order to see how
"powerful" the rmr is, I was expecting ALL of us
to go out a buy a "specific" kit from a "specific"
manufacturer. But...I'm willing to bend to the democratic
process ;-)
Russ
Mark W. Howe <mh...@mail.spk.olivetti.com> wrote in article
<505c97$2...@cnn.isc-br.com>...
> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
> >how powerful rmr actually is. To be noticable it would have
> >to be a low enough price point to assure fairly widespread
> >adoption. It should be from a non-Estes supplier to assure
> >it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
> >like the month of September only, for example. By doing this
> >for 12 products per year it would simultaniously help out the
> >industry and make an interesting test. Imagine the useful
> >information that could be obtained about a product and its
> >company with so many diverse experiences and uses.
> >
> >Okay. I said it. Comments?
> >
> >Jerry
> >
> >"No I am NOT saying it should be a USR product."
OK! since you did not bring want to bring up your company as a possibility
I will
.maybe we could
> entice a manufacturer to offer a discount for our "testing"...
Would you be will to provide motors at a discount for this
test?????????????
Russ
Detroit
Jerry Irvine
In article <3226B4...@ix.netcom.com>, The Silent Observer
<sil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Seems to me a Deltie Thunder would fit your criteria -- it's under $20,
First tangible suggestion logged. Some emailed comments surrounded
frequency of declaring a product as perhaps being a limiting factor,
implying we are mostly poor people. Whether or not this is the case there
seems to be quite a bit of support for the notion I presented and some
disagreement as to rules, and no bandwidth as to proposed products. What
say we all suggest a few realistic products in the $5 to $20 price point
and see how many votes they get, then pick one and BOOM. Freak out its
supplier.
Jerry
"This is a test. This is only a test. This is a test of the emergency
broadcast system."
Wolfram v.Kiparski
In article <3226B4...@ix.netcom.com>, The Silent Observer
<sil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Seems to me a Deltie Thunder would fit your criteria -- it's under $20,
I'll go with that. Deltie Thunder for me.
Wolf
Jerry Irvine
In article <01bb96ae$50c0a920$7381aec7@SPRY090177>, "Russ "
<RDeC...@Sprynet.com> wrote:
> Mark W. Howe <mh...@mail.spk.olivetti.com> wrote in article
> <505c97$2...@cnn.isc-br.com>...
> > jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> > >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
> > >how powerful rmr actually is.
> > >"No I am NOT saying it should be a USR product."
>
> OK! since you did not bring want to bring up your company as a possibility
> I will. maybe we could
> > entice a manufacturer to offer a discount for our "testing"...
> Would you be will to provide motors at a discount for this
> test?????????????
Sure. I for one would be glad to be a strong suporter of my own idea.
However I am a believer in a level playing field, so how about we make the
first test another product.
Jerry
barz
That's one of those little triangle glider deals huh??
That sounds good to me too!
The Silent Observer
Well, no -- this is a >big< triangle glider deal, with 24mm motor mount,
intended for D and E motors...but aerodynamically, it's essentially
identical to the small Deltie.
Jerry Irvine
In article <5071ff$4...@acmez.gatech.edu>, tg...@prism.gatech.edu (Thomas
Lee Grice) wrote:
> As for the mechanics of such a thing, how about an r.m.r. newsgroup
> coupon. Print off as many as you want and take them to the store.
> The manufacturer would have to grease the way with the retailer.
> Make the coupon good for one month and for one model.
>
> Perhaps make it good only for mail order.
>
> What am I missing?
I think this is an outstanding idea. If the thing migrates to an entire
manufacturer's line then the coupon could be for say 10% off (something
marginal) just so the coupon actually makes it back to the manufacturer.
All manufacturers I have ever seen of all sizes honor and disrtibute 10%
off coupons as much as possible.
It is also internet postable.
>
> tlg
>
> --
> Tom Grice Don't ask me, I'm only visiting this planet.
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Just Jerry
Jerry Irvine
In article <wolf-29089...@wolf.netheaven.com>, wo...@NetHeaven.com
(Wolfram v.Kiparski) wrote:
> In article <jjirvine-280...@host84.cyberg8t.com>,
> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> > Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see how powerful
> > rmr actually is.
> I like it. I suggest generalizing things a bit. Rather than a specific
> product, let's "raid" a particular manufacturer or supplier. That way
> anyone can buy what they feel like.
Not a bad suggestion. I do not think it is as important to define
products as to define the action and see results from it which are both
noticeable and traceable to rmr. Defining a particular product would
simply make it alot more noticeable.
> It would be important to state:
> "I am buying your product because Jerry told me to."
> :-)
> No, that wouldn't work.
Till the anti-Irvine campaign by TRA/LTR of 1992 my opinion was probably
the most respected in the nation. That is why they felt they had to do
something apparantly.
I almost freaked till I saw the :). Okay I take credit for this [this
thread] idea as well (as I should) but 5 years from now the revisionists
will have taken credit for it and I will quietly smile.
> Judging from the last USR product review that was posted here, I doubt
> anyone would.
If you are talking about someone who received a damaged box and failed to
assist in the insurance claim so I took a large loss and they had no costs
[and wanted to keep $75 of parts to boot], then I think you have your
facts mixed a bit. If however you are talking about the Dream Machine
review, I am somewhat proud of it and look forward to releasing 1996-7
products with some interesting improvements worth owning at 1991 prices.
>
> Wolf
All accurate input is always encouraged.
Jerry
History repeats itself.
Help Me Spock
In article <jjirvine-010...@host39.cyberg8t.com>,
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> In article <wolf-29089...@wolf.netheaven.com>, wo...@NetHeaven.com
> (Wolfram v.Kiparski) wrote:
> > It would be important to state:
>
> > "I am buying your product because Jerry told me to."
> > :-)
> > No, that wouldn't work.
>
> I almost freaked till I saw the :).
Sorry to jank your chain a little. It was in jest...
:-)
> > Judging from the last USR product review that was posted here, I doubt
> > anyone would.
>
> If you are talking about someone who received a damaged box and failed to
> assist in the insurance claim so I took a large loss and they had no costs
> [and wanted to keep $75 of parts to boot], then I think you have your
> facts mixed a bit. If however you are talking about the Dream Machine
> review, I am somewhat proud of it and look forward to releasing 1996-7
> products with some interesting improvements worth owning at 1991 prices.
It was for a Sonic 3100 Phase 2. Someone complained, and all I read was a
minimal response from you. I could repost the product review, if you
want. Most of the complaint seemed to describe "damage" that could not
have occured by the USPS or even (gasp!) UPS.
Best wishes for a USR revival. September is here.
Wolf
barz
The Silent Observer wrote:
> Well, no -- this is a >big< triangle glider deal, with 24mm motor mount,
> intended for D and E motors...but aerodynamically, it's essentially
> identical to the small Deltie.
Even cooler! I am still in!
WB
Jerry Irvine
> Wolfram v.Kiparski wrote:
> >
> > In article <3226B4...@ix.netcom.com>, The Silent Observer
> > <sil...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Seems to me a Deltie Thunder would fit your criteria -- it's under $20,
> >
> > I'll go with that. Deltie Thunder for me.
> >
> > Wolf
>
> I'll do a Deltie Thunder too.
>
> Seth
Since I started this thread and there seems to be an unusual amount of
concensus, let's select the Edmonds Aerospace Deltie Thunder.
Instructions.
Use the FAQ! Look up the address.
Order a Deltie Thunder for $20 and make note of delivery time.
Build and fly it as recommended in the kit.
Write a report of your experiences building it and flying it.
Post your report to rmr under "Deltie Thunder Review"
Order your Deltie Thunder no later than 9-30-96.
Be sure to let then know you heard about them on "internet usenet
rec.models.rockets"
We can begin voting for the October pick of the month. My vote is for the
Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
Mabe a compilation of each product review can be published in Sport Rocketry.
Jerry Irvine
Monthly net buying frenzy originator.
"The internet needs content"
Wolfram v.Kiparski
In article <jjirvine-020...@host09.cyberg8t.com>,
jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> We can begin voting for the October pick of the month. My vote is for the
> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
>
That was my unstated first choice for September until I cast my vote for
the Deltie Thunder. This kit is inexpensive ($8.00 includes shipping).
I've heard that this is a high-quality kit.
I vote for SRW Nike Smoke for October.
Wolf
Jack Wiker
le...@hevanet.com wrote:
>
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Since I started this thread and there seems to be an unusual amount of
> > concensus, let's select the Edmonds Aerospace Deltie Thunder.
> >
> > Jerry Irvine
> >
> <slice>
>
> OK, are we confirmed? Edmonds Deltie Thunder? I'm ready to raid RobE!
>
> SethI'll buy one.....Mr Edwards, can you handle a large order? :)
The Silent Observer
That sounds like a plan to me, also -- in fact, I can probably pick mine
up in person at the October launch, since I frequently see Michael Park
there.
As a matter of fact, I was LCO when his wife flew her Estes Der V-3
yesterday... B)
The Silent Observer
le...@hevanet.com wrote:
>
> Jerry Irvine wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > Since I started this thread and there seems to be an unusual amount of
> > concensus, let's select the Edmonds Aerospace Deltie Thunder.
> >
> <chop>
> > Jerry Irvine
> >
> <slice>
>
> OK, are we confirmed? Edmonds Deltie Thunder? I'm ready to raid RobE!
>
> Seth
Should work for me -- I can probably even afford one by the end of the
month, and I've been planning to get some kind of glider from Edmonds
Aerospace for some time now...
The Silent Observer
Wolfram v.Kiparski wrote:
>
> What is the exact price for a Deltie Thunder, and how much is the shipping cost?
>
> Wolf
According to the Edmonds Aerospace on-line catalog, previously posted to
this group, it's $20 plus $4 s&h.
Wolfram v.Kiparski
Jeff Vincent
I'd vote for the Apogee micro motors, particularly the B2 and 1/4A
varieties. The B2's look like a cigarette (0.41" x 3.5") and are an
amazing package with a 3 second burn ($5.50 for a pair). The 1/4A's
are just a perfect match of small size to the low impulse, much
superior to even a 13mm 1/4A IMHO ($4.50 for three). They're good
enough that I've spent $75 on them this summer... ;)
Jeff Vincent mailto:jvin...@wizvax.net http://www.wizvax.net/jvincent/
Pick one or more: Model Rockets (competition-NERCB) / PCs (even Atari!) /
Papyrus ICR-ICR2-NCR / Who needs a life when you have multiple non-lives?
ywu
Could someone pls post the ph# to order the Deltie Thunder?
TIA
The Silent Observer
ywu wrote:
>
> Could someone pls post the ph# to order the Deltie Thunder?
>
> TIA
Edmonds Aerospace
13326 Preuit Pl
Herndon, VA 22070-4341
703-471-9313
Glen MacGillivray
ywu <y...@mich.com> wrote:
>Could someone pls post the ph# to order the Deltie Thunder?
>TIA
Here is catalog info and ordering info:
DELTIE THUNDER
*$20.00 + $4.00 shipping
A super new "big glider" for the mid-power movement. D12 motor lasts
the30-inch span upscaled Deltie through and arrow straight boost into
a slow, regal glide back into the field. Almost as easy to build as
the standard Deltie, you can start one in the morning, drive to the
field and fly by noon (I've done it!).
Edmonds Aerospace
13326 Preuit Pl
Herndon, VA 22070-4341
703-471-9313
Glen MacGillivray
gl...@nray.com
PaulDiming
>
>I'll do a Deltie Thunder too.
>
>
With all do respect to those who know what a Deltie Thunder is, my I ask
what is a Deltie Thunder? Is it a rocket or a boost-glider? What engines
does it fly on? Can I use it in small recovery areas? I'd like to join
y'all but I need to know more about the product.
Thanks,
Paul.
Fly Baby Fly!
Adrian Hurt
In article <50781p$q...@news-e2b.gnn.com> Ja...@gnn.com (JackW) writes:
>
>>> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>>> >Who wants to pick a product, all agree to buy one just to see
>>> >to be a low enough price point to assure fairly widespread
>>> >adoption. It should be from a non-Estes supplier to assure
>>> >it is noticed. And it should be for a specified time,
>>> >like the month of September only, for example. By doing this
>>> >for 12 products per year it would simultaniously help out the
>>> >industry and make an interesting test. Imagine the useful
>>> >information that could be obtained about a product and its
>>> >company with so many diverse experiences and uses.
>
If you truly want to see how powerful rmr is, I suggest Estes. That's
because no other manufacturer has models in the shops here in the UK
(as far as I know, anyway) and the situation may be the same in other
countries.
The other possibility for the UK is if someone volunteers to collect
email applications, then sends off a bulk order direct to a model
rocket company other than Estes. Something similar could be done in
other countries. Now that *would* show off the power of rmr. :-)
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Jerry Irvine
> Here is catalog info and ordering info:
> DELTIE THUNDER
> *$20.00 + $4.00 shipping
> A super new "big glider" for the mid-power movement. D12 motor lasts
> the30-inch span upscaled Deltie through and arrow straight boost into
> a slow, regal glide back into the field. Almost as easy to build as
> the standard Deltie, you can start one in the morning, drive to the
> field and fly by noon (I've done it!).
> Edmonds Aerospace
> 13326 Preuit Pl
> Herndon, VA 22070-4341
> 703-471-9313
Remember order by 9-30-96 and post a very complete article about your
results [here] in the following areas:
Acquisition
Pre-construction inspection
Construction
Finishing
Flying
Repairs
General comments
TIA
Jerry
The Silent Observer
Deltie Thunder is a biggish boost glider -- it has a 24mm mount, but I'd
be surprised if it wouldn't also fly decently on a C motor. Unless you
build in arrangements for a DT that you can set for a short flight,
you're likely to need a relatively large field to fly this; it'll boost
to at least a couple hundred feet, and (according to limited reports I've
seen) will glide for a minute or more from that altitude.
Jim Kerns
On 9/4/96 12:42PM, in message <322DB1...@hevanet.com>, le...@hevanet.com
wrote:
> The Deltie Thunder is a large boost glider, like a big Deltie. It is
> triangular in shape and takes D engines. Someone reported a duration of
> 22 sec,
Me.
> I don't know how far that would drift.
Mine flew in a straight line - probably about 500 yards (guess). I intend
to add some assymetry to make it circle so drift isn't a problem before the
next flight. (hmmm, it is about time to get out and fly again...)
If someone wants to see a copy of the review I wrote, it should be archived
on Sunsite and DejaNews. Or, I would be happy to email a copy.
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ji...@ili.net ! No warranty expressed or implied
RobEdmonds
He is a superb builder! I don't know how he gets his to go straight like
that!
RE
RobEdmonds
Let me just say right now that these buying frenzy things you guys are
doing is about the best thing you could possibly do for the small
manufacturers. I'm sure Michael Park would appreciate an October frenzy
as much as I am loving the September one. When you guys show up with our
models to sport fly at fields all over the country, you are doing exactly
what we don't have the resources to do, go out and demonstrate our
products for the "rocket crowd" in Hometowns, USA. And Germany, I already
got one order from Germany from this. This is really Internet as
community like we dreamed of.
RE
Douglas Caskey
In article <322F14...@princeton.com> Scott Johnson wrote:
>> It would be great if someone would set up a web page to post
>>the "Frenzy of the month" as well as suppliers etc. Since I
>>often miss postings to r.m.r. (I would if I could)
I missed something somewhere.... but I would be more than happy
to add such a feature to my (TWNY/NORROC) webpage(s). BTW... if
you're not already there on my "Cool Rocket Websites" - be it a
club, dealer, manufacturer, school, etc... give me a hollar and
I'll add you in. I've also started adding dealers with just email
adresses - so you don't have to have just a website.
Doug Caskey
Rock...@gnn.com
http://members.gnn.com/RocketWeb/RocketWeb.htm
PaulDiming
In article <322DCB...@ix.netcom.com>, The Silent Observer
<sil...@ix.netcom.com> writes:
>
>Deltie Thunder is a biggish boost glider -- it has a 24mm mount, but I'd
>be surprised if it wouldn't also fly decently on a C motor. Unless you
>build in arrangements for a DT that you can set for a short flight,
>you're likely to need a relatively large field to fly this; it'll boost
>to at least a couple hundred feet, and (according to limited reports I've
>seen) will glide for a minute or more from that altitude.
>
>
Thanks for the explanation! Mmmm I think it's worth a try. I've got a
TomCat, a Shuttle and a Condor. But I don't think you'd call these boost
gliders! It would be interesting if I can boost it safely on a C. Sounds
like kit would be fun.
Paul.
Fly Baby Fly!
Jerry Irvine
In article <50lcie$c...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, robed...@aol.com
(RobEdmonds) wrote:
Exactly.
Hey. The internet isn't totally useless!
Jerry Irvine
"You're welcome"
D K Wombough(HO6178)1467
It would be great if someone would set up a web page to post the
"Frenzy of the month" as well as suppliers etc. Since I often
miss postings to r.m.r. (I would if I could)
Dennis Wombough
womb...@lucent.com
Scott Johnson
I'll volunteer if nobody else does. However, I have to yet set up my
rocket page .... If nobody else does, I guess I'll have motivation to
actually set it up. Actually, I am quite excited by this idea. I'll do
it as long as I get help gathering the data! I also plan on making
these projects myself, so I should have most of the info already.
I/we could have the product info (maybe a picture), contact (&price),
and then I could put the coments section there as well, that way the
reviews will also be accessable to future builders. I could set it up
my month/rocket..etc.
FYI: I tried calling to order the Deltie THunder but got no answer. Is
it an evening-only number?
Jerry Irvine
In article <50n251$b...@nntpa.cb.lucent.com>, d...@daxdkw.tbu.att.com (D K
Wombough(HO6178)1467) wrote:
> It would be great if someone would set up a web page to post the
> "Frenzy of the month" as well as suppliers etc. Since I often
> miss postings to r.m.r. (I would if I could)
>
>
>
> Dennis Wombough
> womb...@lucent.com
Beginning in October 1996 I will be glad to at www.usrockets.com. Nothing
stopping everyone with a web page to also do it or link to it.
Keep voting for October 1996.
September 1996 is Deltie Thunder.
Jerry
RobEdmonds
>FYI: I tried calling to order the Deltie THunder but got no >answer. Is
it an evening-only number?
We had a power outage today, I got home and my machine was blinking all
over the place. Just leave a message when you can, or email if you don't
get me, tomorrow I'll be gone all night at the NARHAMS meeting and pizza
session.
RE
msjo...@ks.symbios.com
>FYI: I tried calling to order the Deltie THunder but got no answer. Is
>it an evening-only number?
Ayup. Rob Edmonds has a day job with some federal agency or other in the
Washington DC area.
Frank J. Burke
I believe he was talking about eh Nike Smoke when he quoted a price,
and didn't change his subject in his sentence. I also vote for the
Nike Smoke for October. Once I put the included nose weight in,
it flew like a champ, and has quite a few flights. I need to make another
so I can retire my current one. I'm pushing the limits of luck getting
it back as many times as I have.
Frank
In article <1996Sep6.175415.1@eisner>,
Bob Kaplow <robert...@hccompare.com> wrote:
>In article <wolf-02099...@wolf.netheaven.com>, wo...@NetHeaven.com (Wolfram v.Kiparski) writes:
>> In article <jjirvine-020...@host09.cyberg8t.com>,
>> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>>
>>> We can begin voting for the October pick of the month. My vote is for the
>>> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
>>>
>>
>> That was my unstated first choice for September until I cast my vote for
>> the Deltie Thunder. This kit is inexpensive ($8.00 includes shipping).
>> I've heard that this is a high-quality kit.
>
>I think you are quoting the Deltie price. The thunder is more.
>
>Aren't we supposed to be "negotiating" a discount prioce with these vendors?
Bob Kaplow
In article <wolf-02099...@wolf.netheaven.com>, wo...@NetHeaven.com (Wolfram v.Kiparski) writes:
> In article <jjirvine-020...@host09.cyberg8t.com>,
> jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
>
>> We can begin voting for the October pick of the month. My vote is for the
>> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
>>
>
> That was my unstated first choice for September until I cast my vote for
> the Deltie Thunder. This kit is inexpensive ($8.00 includes shipping).
> I've heard that this is a high-quality kit.
I think you are quoting the Deltie price. The thunder is more.
Aren't we supposed to be "negotiating" a discount prioce with these vendors?
> I vote for SRW Nike Smoke for October.
Let me nominate the Saturn Press "Retro Rocket" book as soon as it is
available. It's a must buy for serious rocket historians, which probably covers
most of us.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Abort, Retry, Fail?"
Jim McLaughlin
On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bob Kaplow wrote:
MUCH re PROPOSED OCTOBER BUYING FRENZY SNIPPED
> >
> >> We can begin voting for the October pick of the month. My vote is for the
> >> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
Amen. They are really nice. So, too, is the MIRV. Truth to tell, I am
more fond of the MIRV tahn the Smoke.
Then again I alraedy have a SMOKE.
SNIP
>
> Aren't we supposed to be "negotiating" a discount prioce with these vendors?
>
I kind f hope _NOT_ a price reduction with the smaller amnufacturers.
They are operating on shoestring margins out of love for the hobby. I
suggest taht we pay full freight. It'll encourage the smaller mfgrs. and
provide greater choice. If we pick an Estes or LOC or whatever product,
then we should ask for a price break, but with Rob, Michael and the folks
doing the new itsy bitsy Saturn V that frank Burke just reviewed, I think
not. That saturn V, even with all of the flaws disclosed in Frank Burke's
review is my candidadte for November buying frenzy, and the Alway book
right at Christmas, is my candidate for December.
>
Jim McLaughlin These opinions are mine, mine, mine!
And not anybody else's. So there.
Portland, OR bald...@teleport.com
The Silent Observer
Bob Kaplow wrote:
>
> In article <wolf-02099...@wolf.netheaven.com>, wo...@NetHeaven.com (Wolfram v.Kiparski) writes:
> > In article <jjirvine-020...@host09.cyberg8t.com>,
> > jjir...@cyberg8t.com (Jerry Irvine) wrote:
> >
> >> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
> >>
> >
> > the Deltie Thunder. This kit is inexpensive ($8.00 includes shipping).
> > I've heard that this is a high-quality kit.
>
> I think you are quoting the Deltie price. The thunder is more.
>
Actually, I think that was the SRW Nike Smoke price.
Jerry Irvine
In article <Pine.SUN.3.92.960906...@linda.teleport.com>,
Jim McLaughlin <bald...@teleport.com> wrote:
> I kind f hope _NOT_ a price reduction with the smaller amnufacturers.
> They are operating on shoestring margins out of love for the hobby. I
> suggest taht we pay full freight. It'll encourage the smaller mfgrs. and
> provide greater choice. If we pick an Estes or LOC or whatever product,
> then we should ask for a price break, but with Rob, Michael and the folks
> doing the new itsy bitsy Saturn V that frank Burke just reviewed, I think
> not. That saturn V, even with all of the flaws disclosed in Frank Burke's
> review is my candidadte for November buying frenzy, and the Alway book
> right at Christmas, is my candidate for December.
Please post a message with all the ordering information in a single
convenient place. I agree with your statement about voluntarily paying
full freight. Some manufacturers might voluntarily offer a discount
(grin) but others we can specify a known discount dealer for those faint
of cash.
Jerry
Buying Frenzy Fad originator
RobEdmonds
>Rob Edmonds has a day job with some federal agency or >other in the
Washington DC area.
Actually with this little company that does NASA and other contracts, but
same difference.
RE
RobEdmonds
>Aren't we supposed to be "negotiating" a discount prioce >with these
vendors?
You should have said something, I could have knocked a little off!
RE
RobEdmonds
That Smoke is a beautiful kit, delightful packaging and instructions. It
pleases both builders and other kitmakers.
RE
Rick Taylor
Jim McLaughlin wrote:
>
> On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Bob Kaplow wrote:
>
> MUCH re PROPOSED OCTOBER BUYING FRENZY SNIPPED
>
> > >
> > >> Seattle Rocket Works Nike Smoke. Nobody can have too many of those.
>
> They are operating on shoestring margins out of love for the hobby. I
> suggest taht we pay full freight. It'll encourage the smaller mfgrs. and
> provide greater choice. If we pick an Estes or LOC or whatever product,
> then we should ask for a price break, but with Rob, Michael and the folks
> doing the new itsy bitsy Saturn V that frank Burke just reviewed, I think
> not. That saturn V, even with all of the flaws disclosed in Frank Burke's
> review is my candidadte for November buying frenzy, and the Alway book
> right at Christmas, is my candidate for December.
>
> And not anybody else's. So there.
>
Nike Smoke, then Bitsy Saturn V sounds good to me for Oct, Nov., and
full price is appropriate for what we're trying to do with the small vendors.
Hahn7
I'm not personnaly interested in a glider this small but I'll probably buy
one just to show solidarity.
I think the buying frenzy fad is a GREAT concept! I think some further
refinement is needed.
There seems to be some confusion about ordering methods & information.
How about limiting the purchases to manufactures who provide online
ordering and accept credit card purchase so international members can join
the fad without hassel? Or, provide all the asked for info up front:
Company Name, address phone #, price, etc, as well as a product
discription so people will not hesitate to participate because they don't
know what their getting.
Also the idea of printing out and mailing a Internet coupon to the
manufacture has merit. Somebody could do the simple graphics and the
manufacturer may be impressed by the duplications he (she) receives.
By the way, Jerry's opinion is STILL held in high regard. I was not here
for the 1992 trashing and only know him by his intelligent & helpfull
posts on rmr. Can somebody help Jerry (who probably won't blow his own
horn) and please tell the rest of us what IS or was his company?
~ David Hahn TRA2919
Another Libertarian for Space (get me the hell off this planet!)
Scott Johnson
Hahn7 wrote:
>
> I'm not personnaly interested in a glider this small but I'll probably buy
> one just to show solidarity.
>
> I think the buying frenzy fad is a GREAT concept! I think some further
> refinement is needed.
>
> There seems to be some confusion about ordering methods & information.
> How about limiting the purchases to manufactures who provide online
> ordering and accept credit card purchase so international members can join
> the fad without hassel? Or, provide all the asked for info up front:
> Company Name, address phone #, price, etc, as well as a product
> discription so people will not hesitate to participate because they don't
> know what their getting.
I would volunteer to setup a "frenzy" page on my web site. If nobody
else wants to, then I'm game. I would actually quite enjoy it! There
we can post all the information, as well as reviews.
Speaking of reviews of the products, can we make a standard review form
(SRF) to posting the reviews will be easier? I think organising the
info will help in the long run. I haven't done any reviews before, so
if someone could whip something togeth, we can discuss it amungst the
RMR group and refine it.
>
> Also the idea of printing out and mailing a Internet coupon to the
> manufacture has merit. Somebody could do the simple graphics and the
> manufacturer may be impressed by the duplications he (she) receives.
>
Could put a DL'able copy on the Frenzy page!
> ~ David Hahn TRA2919
> Another Libertarian for Space (get me the hell off this planet!)
I volunteer to make a frenzy page if nobody has any objections. I think
Jerry said he could do it too. (pardon me if it was someone else...) But
people might think he could influence opinions towards his products.
(Very Doubtfull - i think he is a very honest person from what I've
read... but some people are very untrusting.) I am unbiased - I have no
ties to any company or products. Thats my only good reason for hosting
the page. (No Offense Jerry?)
Scott Johnson NAR 69190
sjoh...@princeton.com
s...@cellware.de
In message <51aga8$5...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> - ha...@aol.com (Hahn7) writes:
:>I think the buying frenzy fad is a GREAT concept!
:>
:>How about limiting the purchases to manufactures who provide online
:>ordering and accept credit card purchase so international members can join
:>the fad without hassel?
I think you can't expect every small dealer to have the equipment and
investments done for a credit card setup. Since this frenzy fad is limited
to relatively cheap goods, I'm fine with sending some bucks with my order.
The fees I have to pay for changing the money are cheap compared to the
customs I have to pay anyway when the goods arrive.
:> Or, provide all the asked for info up front:
:>Company Name, address phone #, price, etc, as well as a product
:>discription so people will not hesitate to participate because they don't
:>know what their getting.
This I'd appreciate!
Can someone tell me a bit more about the Nike Smoke that seems to be
elected for october?
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barz
Hahn7 wrote:
>
> I'm not personnaly interested in a glider this small but I'll probably buy
> one just to show solidarity.
I was under the assumption that this was a "small" glider also. But I
found out that it is indeed a fairly good sized model! I do believe this
one in discussion has a 24mm motor mount!
WB
The Silent Observer
s...@cellware.de wrote:
>
>
> This I'd appreciate!
> Can someone tell me a bit more about the Nike Smoke that seems to be
> elected for october?
>
I don't have the ordering information for the SRW Nike Smoke handy (I
have the catalog, I just don't see it right now), but:
The rocket is a scale model of the Nike Smoke which, with some care, can
be built quite accurate to scale. It's sized so that a 13mm motor fits
in the minimum diamter body tube; it has a turned balsa nose cone, balsa
fins, and some kind of appliques to simulate raised surface features on
the cone (at least on the one I've seen built by Michael Park, the
proprietor of SRW). The model can be built to any level from exquisite
display model to decent scale sport flyer, and could probably be built by
a 5th grader who'd built a Big Bertha or balsa-finned Alpha (though it
might not look much like Michael's in that case).
All the parts are in the tiny box, including thrust block, shock cord,
streamer, and enough cellulose wadding for a dozen or more flights. All
you have to add are glue, paint, and the skill to build it well.
Not a bad deal for around $8 including shipping...
=Chuck McKinney
In article <51aga8$5...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, ha...@aol.com (Hahn7)
wrote:
>By the way, Jerry's opinion is STILL held in high regard. I was not
here
I second that!
>for the 1992 trashing and only know him by his intelligent & helpfull
Same here. Jerry is very helpful, intelligent and knowledgable.
>posts on rmr. Can somebody help Jerry (who probably won't blow his own
>horn) and please tell the rest of us what IS or was his company?
USRockets
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