"Topics in Advanced Model Rocketry"
Mark Schweizer
Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
Thanks,
Mark
Jay Stoll
to 2 weeks...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262020963/qid%3D928800197/002-2036131-9475622
Mark Schweizer
Thanks Jay.
I have tried Amazon and they were unable to locate a copy. They did say
that they'll continue to look for it (and notify me if it comes in), but
it has been nearly a month now and no luck!
Tom Binford
>
> Thanks Jay.
>
> I have tried Amazon and they were unable to locate a copy. They did say
> that they'll continue to look for it (and notify me if it comes in), but
> it has been nearly a month now and no luck!
>
I've had a book on search since last August. I get an update every 2
months or so.
(Still haven't gotten a chance at the book.)
Tom
Robert Huggins
Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P. Bengen: Topics In
Advanced Model Rocketry ; Published by MIT Press, Cambridge, Mass., and
London England, 1973. 1st. ed. 631 pages. F/NF. The dust jacket has a 1"
closed tear. Covers everyting in model rocket performance. Errata slip laid
in. Very Scarce. Offered for sale by oklahoma book mine at
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> > Mark Schweizer wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
> > > Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> > > Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3).
It
> > > is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mark
Bob Kaplow
> Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
> Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
> is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
If there is something in particular you are looking for, let me know. I have
an original copy that came straight from MIT when it was first printed.
Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"
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>In article <375C532F...@ameritech.net>, Mark Schweizer <schw...@ameritech.net> writes:
>> Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
>> Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
>> Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
>> is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
>
>
>Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
>it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
>
When I was at NARAM 36 in Houston, Bill and C.D. were talking like it
was mere weeks -- or at most -- months away. Now nearly FIVE years
later. As Groucho once said, "I can't understand what's keeping that
coffee pot."
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Roy Green, Atlanta
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Michael Stedman
inter-library loan.
Michael Stedman
Mark Schweizer wrote in message <375C532F...@ameritech.net>...
>Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
>Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
>Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
>is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark
Mark B. Bundick
Green) wrote:
>kapl...@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow) wrote:
>>Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
>>it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
>>
>
>When I was at NARAM 36 in Houston, Bill and C.D. were talking like it
>was mere weeks -- or at most -- months away. Now nearly FIVE years
>later. As Groucho once said, "I can't understand what's keeping that
>coffee pot."
This effort is in the hands of a volunteer who's experienced a variety
of life changes and some changing projects within the NAR. (no it's
not Bill Spadafora, NARTS Chairman) I don't expect to have this
project done anytime soon, unless someone involved in the publication
of mathematics or scientific journals steps forward to take over where
we are right now. I'm sorry for the delay and frustration among NAR
members, but this is simply the way things work sometimes in small non
profits who are completely dependent on volunteers to sort out special
projects.
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Alan Jones
<schw...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
>Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
>Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
>is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
>
>Thanks,
>Mark
The Iowa State University Library (Parks) had a copy, but the last
time I looked it was gone. I suggest a wide library search and
interlibrary loan.
BTW, I have three copies. Does anyone know how much they sell for at
auction?
Alan Jones
Bob Bernatchez
>
>Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
>it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
I heard the same thing, although that was years ago. Glad I got mine
while the getting was good.
Bob
NAR 29996
Fred Shecter
'70s (where they dump books that are not selling or surplus). If I
hadn't been a starving student I would have bought them all. Of course
if I had money then, i would have bought a ton of Maxi V-2s!
-Fred Shecter NAR 20117
<;~)Conehead
Mark Schweizer <schw...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
> Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3).
It
> is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P. Bengen: Topics In
Advanced Model Rocketry ; Published by MIT Press,
Cambridge, Mass., and
London England, 1973. 1st. ed. 631 pages. F/NF. The dust
jacket has a 1" closed
tear. Covers everyting in model rocket performance.
Errata slip laid in. Very Scarce.
Offered for sale by oklahoma book mine at US$150.00
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Alan Jones wrote:
>
> On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 19:18:07 -0400, Mark Schweizer
> <schw...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
> >Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> >Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
> >is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Mark
>
> The Iowa State University Library (Parks) had a copy, but the last
> time I looked it was gone. I suggest a wide library search and
> interlibrary loan.
>
> BTW, I have three copies. Does anyone know how much they sell for at
> auction?
How big is it? Hardback or softcover? If it's not too big, someone
should
scan it into a .pdf file.
Paul
Jeff Vincent
<Paul....@autodesk.com> wrote:
>How big is it? Hardback or softcover? If it's not too big, someone
>should
>scan it into a .pdf file.
First of all, there are copyright considerations. Second, it *is*
big, probably 500 pages or so. For the uninitiated, it has three
large chapters on trajectory analysis, aerodynamic drag, and static
and dynamic stability (this chapter is similar to the NARTS report).
For a time I was assisting a bit with the proofreading of the new
edition. It is a *massive* project and was far from complete. And it
looks like it is on indefinite hold.
Jeff Vincent - jvin...@wizvax.net - www.wizvax.net/jvincent/nercb.html
NAR Northeast Regional Contest Board site - points and more...
Robert Galejs
document services.
http://libraries.mit.edu/docs/mitpress.html
photocopies of out of print books cost $59 + $0.25/page over 400.
MIT students and staff can get photocopies for $19 + $0.15/page over 400.
- Robert Galejs
Bob Kaplow
> How big is it? Hardback or softcover? If it's not too big, someone
> should
> scan it into a .pdf file.
It's hardcover, maybe 15x20cm, and at least 5cm thick. IIRC it's over 500
pages. It's pretty clearly printed from 3 hand typed thesis papers done by
the three authors. No desk top publishing back then...
Roger Smith
> Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
> is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
You can place an order for it through Amazon.com and they'll try to
find it through used book dealers:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0262020963/
When (if) they find the book, they'll e-mail you with the price.
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Robert Galejs
The web page says that they only give discounts to *current* faculty,
students and staff.
I just got some e-mail back from them. This book is 649 pages for a grand
total
of $121.25 non-MIT or $56.35 MIT.
I am an MIT staff member and could buy 1 or 2 books for people, but I don't
want to turn into a book store.
- Robert Galejs
Jerry Irvine
Kaplow) wrote:
> In article <375C532F...@ameritech.net>, Mark Schweizer
<schw...@ameritech.net> writes:
> > Does anyone know where to locate a copy of "Topics in Advanced Model
> > Rocketry" by Gordon K. Mandell, George J. Caporaso, and William P.
> > Bengan. It was published in 1973 by MIT Press (ISBN 0-262-02096-3). It
> > is now out of print and I have been unable to locate a copy.
>
>
> Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
> it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
My company offered to reprint it in something like 1993 but the authors
offered it to NAR who opted to retypset the entire thing, adding >5 years
to the reprint schedule. There are no copies to be found anywhere right
now.
Needless to say it's not done yet now or anytime soon.
>
> If there is something in particular you are looking for, let me know. I have
> an original copy that came straight from MIT when it was first printed.
>
> Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Ctrl-Alt-Del"
>
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JimCook
>Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic. I don't know
>it's current status. Any of the CMASS folks know?
Mark B. Bundick replied:
>This effort is in the hands of a volunteer who's experienced a variety
>of life changes and some changing projects within the NAR. ...
At the risk of sticking my own head in the noose, I am that volunteer.
Yes, Bunny is correct in saying that I've been going through a variety of life
changes (to put it mildly) and a few other NAR projects that took higher
priority. Thankfully, I am past the majority of them, though if the baby would
be born (due yesterday), it would be appreciated...
Progress is being made. The complete text and all formulae have now been
typeset. The first chapter is final, the second chapter is complete but for a
couple author-review cycles (more formulae renumbering), the third chapter is
awaiting figures and editing, and the fourth chapter still needs updating for
the 90's.
I do apologize for the time this project has taken, but life does sometimes
interrupt in a major way. Despite this, I do continue to believe the final
result will be a high quality product that is truely a second edition. I am
back in the saddle again, and this is my highest priority project.
Regards,
-Jim Cook
Mark Johnson
> At the risk of sticking my own head in the noose, I am that volunteer.
> Yes, Bunny is correct in saying that I've been going through a variety of life
> changes (to put it mildly) and a few other NAR projects that took higher
> priority. Thankfully, I am past the majority of them, though if the baby would
> be born (due yesterday), it would be appreciated...
You're a brave man, Jim. I salute you for falling near, if not
on, your sword.
:-)
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(316)636-8189 Wichita, KS 67226-1397
Alan Jones
>kapl...@eisner.decus.org (Bob Kaplow) wrote:
>
>>Last I heard, NARTS was working on reprinting this classic.
>Mark B. Bundick replied:
>
>>This effort is in the hands of a volunteer who's experienced a variety
>>of life changes and some changing projects within the NAR. ...
>At the risk of sticking my own head in the noose, I am that volunteer.
>Yes, Bunny is correct in saying that I've been going through a variety of life
>changes (to put it mildly) and a few other NAR projects that took higher
>priority. Thankfully, I am past the majority of them, though if the baby would
>be born (due yesterday), it would be appreciated...
I was wondering about those "life changes". That five year pregnancy
must be quite a story. ;) Congratulations!
>Progress is being made. The complete text and all formulae have now been
>typeset. The first chapter is final, the second chapter is complete but for a
>couple author-review cycles (more formulae renumbering), the third chapter is
>awaiting figures and editing, and the fourth chapter still needs updating for
>the 90's.
>
>I do apologize for the time this project has taken, but life does sometimes
>interrupt in a major way. Despite this, I do continue to believe the final
>result will be a high quality product that is truely a second edition. I am
>back in the saddle again, and this is my highest priority project.
>Regards, -Jim Cook
Thanks for the info. I was wondering if this was to be essentialy
just a reprint, a second edition, or a true sequel. Please keep us
informed.
Alan Jones
Jerry Irvine
(JimCook) wrote:
> I do apologize for the time this project has taken, but life does sometimes
> interrupt in a major way. Despite this, I do continue to believe the final
> result will be a high quality product that is truely a second edition. I am
> back in the saddle again, and this is my highest priority project.
>
> Regards,
> -Jim Cook
Once complete it will represent a major industry asset comparable to the
Handbook of Model Rocketry. It's worth the wait and everyone should add
it to their library.
Jerry
PeteAlway
>Once complete it will represent a major industry asset comparable to the
>Handbook of Model Rocketry. It's worth the wait and everyone should add
>it to their library.
I recall getting a good look at it when I was in grad school. It was full of
the kind of stuff that has a lot of the reason I have a masters degree from a
2nd-rate school rather than a PhD from a first-rate school. Much of it is
*not* for everyone.
That said, with so many PC's around, the numerical solutions to a lot of the
nasty math is just the thing for making really good simulation software.
I also remember that it wasn't all of the same flavor. I just remember the
parts that made me say "hey, that's the part of the mechanics class that I
didn't really understand." I recall there was ugly matrix calculus for
prediction rotation in 3 dimensions.
Anyway, this isn't a book that every rocketeer needs next to the Handbook of
Model Rocketry. But it *is* something that will benefit a lot more rocketeers
than those who have reason to own a copy. It's full of wholesale knowledge
that can be repackaged for retail to the average modeler.
Peter Alway
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Tim Van Milligan
> That said, with so many PC's around, the numerical solutions to a lot of the
> nasty math is just the thing for making really good simulation software.
That is where RockSim got its start! So if people want the benefits of
the book, but without the gooey math, they can just download the demo
version of RockSim of the Apogee Components web site.
Tim Van Milligan
Apogee Components, Inc.
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