Newbie making a "Flair Puppeteer" hints ??
Alan Yates
I have only just subscribed to this group and I am also very new to
making R/C models.
Recently I have purchased the above mentioned kit, I was tempted by the
challenge of building a bi-plane and also the ".. easy to follow instructions"
.. thats a laugh !
If there is anyone out there who has made this kit I would appreciate any hints
and tips both for construction and later on flying.
Look forward to receiving many posts.
regards Alan Yates.
"all views are my own and not HP's !!"
Douglas R. Jones
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>> I have only just subscribed to this group and I am also very new to
>>making R/C models.
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>hints
>>and tips both for construction and later on flying.
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>>Look forward to receiving many posts.
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>Hint#2: If hint #1 not followed build it and hang it up and save it
> for the future..
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>Hint#3 : Build a trainer....
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>The Pupetteer is nice plane, but not for a beginner, either in building,
>setting it up correctly, or flying it. You appear to have been aflicted with
>what's usually called the B-17 syndrome :-)
If you have not soloed yet this EXCELLENT advice! I have a Pupeteer
and love it! I have been flying this plane for about 18 months now.
It is the most gentle forgiving plane I own. But it isn't for the
unproven rookie. It could be flown as a second plane but you need
to keep an experienced flyer near. Being a tail dragger it can be a bit touchy
on takeoff, unless flown from grass. It helps that this is a long fuse for a
WWI ship, but still isn't as easy as a trike.
The kit is not for a rank beginner. Flair will tell you this and does in the
documentation. If you have built a couple of planes you should be
able to do this kit. Take your time and build straight. The directions
are not at all like what you would find in a Goldberg type kit. They
expect that you have built a few models.
Email me and I will be happy to walk you through the construction and flying
of this plane. It is a real beaut in the air. Mine was bashed a bit
and I added the appropriate nose ribs, flying and landing wires and
pull-pull elevator and rudder. The ailerons have a servo for each set. I
extended the nose slightly and am using an ancient OS 61FS. She flys at
about 7.5 lbs which gives me a wing loading of 14 oz/sq ft. Built carefully
an OS48 Surpass or Saito 50 could be used. In fact they would probably
be perfect as they would give very scale flight......but not for a beginner!
Better to have a bit more power.
Doug
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BOB SPEAR USG
Hello Alan,
I was the importer/distributor of Flair Models for eight years
before Hobby Supply South started doing it. I built and flew
all of the Flair kits and know each one very well.
If you are a beginner, you did not pick a beginners kit. It is
true that the Flair kits built easy and fly great but they are
NOT beginners kits. Also, the metric measurement and "British"
terms may confuse you.
If you are going to build it, get a metric ruler before you begin.
It will help you identify the woods used in various places.
Study the plans, they are engineering drawings. The entire plane
can be built from them using the instructions only as a guide.
One thing I can say about Dudley Patterson, he makes a fine kit!
The Puppeteer has been reviewed by both RC Report and RC Modeler.
You can contact Gordon Banks at RC Report for the back issues, he
will know which one's they are. Also tell him I said hello!!
Any specific questions you have during the construction, please
email me sp...@zk3.dec.com [ I have a real job now! ].
Bob Spear
dri...@fast.net
Mark Farrow
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>Oh dear.... I think I'll go and slash my wrists immediately :-)
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>I guess I should've expected this... you ask for help and you get a
broadside !
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>Bad news, I am already past the Hint #1 stage, but I may heed Hint#2 !
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>OK I admit it I have been a little naive, but part of this hobby is the
building of
>the model and I am really enjoying building this plane.
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>So, O wise one, what would you recommend as a suitable trainer ?
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>Pardon me for being so ignorant, but what is the B17 syndrome ? ( I know
I am
>setting myself up for a flaming )
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Sticks and stones....but flames can never hurt ya.Right.
I've successfully trained people in short time to fly "a second airplane"
using the buddy box method. Heck I even had one person flying my old
FUN-ONE around on the 1st flight(low rates of course) Sure your plane is
not one of those "docile trainers",but it doesn't have too be either if
you have a good instructor who can help you cope with the hotter plane.
I have found that also once a person gets use to the "2nd" plane they
usually find the trainers more uncomfortable to fly due the the fact that
they don't respond as good as that 2nd plane. Also a more advanced plane
will handle windy days better which will get you flying more often while
the trainers are grounded. Also I've found that once a person gets their
wings on the basic trainer they usually get tired with its performance
and end up shortly with the more aerobatic 2nd plane anyway.
Really all this trainer-trainer stuff may be a little exagerated.
So the answer is if you get a trainer get an instructor. If you start
with a "2nd plane" get an instructor. My vote for a good 1st plane you
wont get bored with early.Goldberg Falcon III or similar semetrical top
winger.
Mark
Douglas R. Jones
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>In article <DCF0K...@bri.hp.com>, al...@hpcpbla.bri.com says...
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>>Oh dear.... I think I'll go and slash my wrists immediately :-)
>>
>>I guess I should've expected this... you ask for help and you get a
>broadside !
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Don't be so touchy....I know no one likes to be spoken to rudely. But I
don't think drinker meant anything nasty.
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>>Bad news, I am already past the Hint #1 stage, but I may heed Hint#2 !
>>
No problem. Mail me or Bob Spear and we will be MORE than happy to do
what we can to see you through the building of this plane. It isn't
hard...just different. If you are comfortable with metric/English
conversion you won't have any problems. Yes the directions are skimpy.
At least for someone building their first or second plane. No
problem. Either Bob or I can help. Email me and I'll be happy to send
my phone number and you can call me if you have questions! As for hint
#2 if you haven't soloed yet I think this would be wise.
>>OK I admit it I have been a little naive, but part of this hobby is the
>building of
>>the model and I am really enjoying building this plane.
I don't blame you! I think the BEST part of the hobby is the building.
And this model is a really nice one to build.
>>So, O wise one, what would you recommend as a suitable trainer ?
>>
>>Pardon me for being so ignorant, but what is the B17 syndrome ? ( I know
>I am
>>setting myself up for a flaming )
No flame. He meant that often newcomers to the R/C hobby want to start
out with aircraft that are either far too difficult to build (hence the
B-17 crack) or way to hard to fly (the P-51 syndrome). People interested
in seeing new folks come into the hobby and STAY try to discourage
newcomers from either situation. People who fall into either camp
generally end up so frustrated that they leave the hobby. This isn't
good for any of us.
>Sticks and stones....but flames can never hurt ya.Right.
Right. Around here you need a thick skin sometimes. I have seen a
lot of good people who were knowledgable about the hobby and willing to help
leave because of too many flames.
>I've successfully trained people in short time to fly "a second airplane"
>using the buddy box method. Heck I even had one person flying my old
>FUN-ONE around on the 1st flight(low rates of course) Sure your plane is
>not one of those "docile trainers",but it doesn't have too be either if
>you have a good instructor who can help you cope with the hotter plane.
> I have found that also once a person gets use to the "2nd" plane they
>usually find the trainers more uncomfortable to fly due the the fact that
>they don't respond as good as that 2nd plane. Also a more advanced plane
>will handle windy days better which will get you flying more often while
>the trainers are grounded. Also I've found that once a person gets their
>wings on the basic trainer they usually get tired with its performance
>and end up shortly with the more aerobatic 2nd plane anyway.
>Really all this trainer-trainer stuff may be a little exagerated.
> So the answer is if you get a trainer get an instructor. If you start
>with a "2nd plane" get an instructor. My vote for a good 1st plane you
>wont get bored with early.Goldberg Falcon III or similar semetrical top
>winger.
I cannot speak for the trainer (I learned on a FlightStar) but he is
correct! With an instructor you could learn to fly both planes. The
trainer now and the Pup when you are ready. There is no reason, other
than lack of good instructions, why the Puppeteer can't be a reasonable
second plane.
Email me or Bob we will help as much as we can!
Alan Yates
Oh dear.... I think I'll go and slash my wrists immediately :-)
I guess I should've expected this... you ask for help and you get a broadside !
Bad news, I am already past the Hint #1 stage, but I may heed Hint#2 !
OK I admit it I have been a little naive, but part of this hobby is the building of
the model and I am really enjoying building this plane.
So, O wise one, what would you recommend as a suitable trainer ?
Pardon me for being so ignorant, but what is the B17 syndrome ? ( I know I am
setting myself up for a flaming )
naive of Bristol [ but learning fast :-) ]
Art Reitsma
Ah, the B17 syndrome: Every newbie in every sport/hobby/career wants
to have a Ninja 1100/B-17/Peterbilt(insert Brit top-of-the-line
truck) for their first motorcycle/model/truck. However, wiser, more
experienced heads say get a 250 cc/Goldberg Eagle/old truck to learn
on, as it will be easier, and less expensive to start. And, heaven
forbid, but if you decide it's not for you, you haven't cost yourself
a fortune.
Have fun, and try the more complex models later---it gives you
something to look forward to.
Art