turpentine or buggygrip?
gonzal...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
This weekend I had noticed a fellow racer with offroad tires soaked in
turpentine and buggygrip(or associateds version). The tires soaked in
turpentine were a standard compound and were significantly softer than say a
silver or m2 tire. The tire sprayed with a tire softner just didn't feel as
soft or sticky as the tire in turpentine. The turpentine really stunk up his
van.:-)
So I am wondering if anyone has any comments on the advantages or disadvantages
tyres soaked in turpentine or sprayed with a tire softner.
Does either process provide better tracion or longevity?
I would appreciate any usefull comments or suggestions
jamie gonzalez
losi xx
Andrew P. Seaman
Turpentine does soften up your tires a lot. Just apply some on and in a
little bit, your tires will be softer. You can also try Xylene, or Xylol,
which is the same as Buggy Grip but is cheaper and you can get it at a
hardware store in larger quanities. That stuff works the same as Buggy Grip.
Try it out!
Andrew Seaman
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Jamie
I have found that using turpentine is only beneficial when using gold
or silver compounds(xtr or xtrm2 for proline). By using the turpentine
the tires rubber is broken down and made softer. This process usually
should be done for about 8 minutes on gold and xtr tires and two or three
minutes for silver or m2 tires. The problem with leaving the tires in the
turpentine for longer periods of time is that it causes the tires to grow
to unbelievable sizes. This is not the desired effect. Once the tire has
been 'turped' it is best to leave it in a zip lock bag when not in use for
the tire will tend to harden if left in the open air.
As for the new tire sprays on the market I have only used them to
condition the tires right before a race, usually a few minutes before I
run. I have yet to try soaking them in these products, but I feel that
the sprays will further the wear rate of the tires. In my experiences
with buggy grip and traction sprays the composition of the tire is
extremley altered but the effects do not last as long.
Another alternative that you may want to try is to use WD-40. You
heard it right! Spray the tires with this stuff and let them sit in a
zip-lock bag for one hour. Then take them out and wipe any excess spray.
The tire will definitely feel softer and a little stickier too. Try
these methods out and tell me what is your preferred method of finding
that traction we want so much!!!
Bob Zahn(ha...@iaw.on.ca)
Team Losi/D.I.K. Distribution
Fantom Motors, Tekin, Protoform
James Collins
gonzal...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu wrote:
>So I am wondering if anyone has any comments on the advantages or disadvantages
>tyres soaked in turpentine or sprayed with a tire softner.
>Does either process provide better tracion or longevity?
They both give better traction. They both decrease the lifetime of
your tires though. I don't know how long the turpentine affects the
tires during a race, but the buggy grip helps me out (IMHO) for about
3 or 4 laps, more or less, depending on how muddy the track is
(offroad XXT racing). If the track is really muddy, traction
compounds won't help much because your tires get packed with the
mud... However, that first few laps can be pretty important,
especially if you need the extra control to get around every one that
crashes in the first lap... :)
James
Barry Burke Jr
a...@pixlcafe.com (Andrew P. Seaman) wrote:
>
> Turpentine does soften up your tires a lot. Just apply some on and in a
>little bit, your tires will be softer. You can also try Xylene, or Xylol,
>which is the same as Buggy Grip but is cheaper and you can get it at a
Guys,
Be careful with chemicals like Xylene and Xylol. This stuff can kill
you, and you won't even know it's harming you.
Use gloves and a respirator, work OUTSIDE if possible!
Barry
Matt Verrochi
Barry Burke Jr <bar...@mail.snet.net> wrote:
>a...@pixlcafe.com (Andrew P. Seaman) wrote:
>>
>> Turpentine does soften up your tires a lot. Just apply some on and in a
>>little bit, your tires will be softer. You can also try Xylene, or Xylol,
>>which is the same as Buggy Grip but is cheaper and you can get it at a
>
>
>Guys,
>Be careful with chemicals like Xylene and Xylol. This stuff can kill
>you, and you won't even know it's harming you.
>
Barry's right! Xylene and Xylol are absolute poison and you should not
simply regard the warning that says "vapors can be harmfull". Vapors ARE
harmfull, very much so. My Dad has permanent nerve damage from exposure
to that stuff and was forced by doctors to retire when he was 54.
>Use gloves and a respirator, work OUTSIDE if possible!
I agree 100%. Don't use that stuff in the house!
Matt
Student
Barry Burke Jr wrote:
>
> a...@pixlcafe.com (Andrew P. Seaman) wrote:
> >
> > Turpentine does soften up your tires a lot. Just apply some on and in a
> >little bit, your tires will be softer. You can also try Xylene, or Xylol,
> >which is the same as Buggy Grip but is cheaper and you can get it at a
>
> Guys,
> Be careful with chemicals like Xylene and Xylol. This stuff can kill
> you, and you won't even know it's harming you.
>
>
Hi you guys.
I agree completely with Barry regarding the use of these chemicals. Furthermore I have the opinion that the
use of tyre additives in off road racing is unnecessary, it's dangerous we are using far too many chemicals on
our planet and we as R/C'ers don't need it. It smells like "hell" to use it it's unhealthy and I think that
the use of tyre additives should be benned in all classes On & Off Road racing as well. In Europe it's not
allowed to use tyre additives in off road racing at all. There was a mjor controversy at the 1995 European
Championships in Rauma Finland, there was a German driver who got disqualified at this event. I compeletely
support this decision and think that it should be banned also in the US as the US is heading the way R/C
racing is run all over. So let's get i banned as soon as possible.
Best regards Henrik Carstens <uvim...@dk-online.dk>
Matt Verrochi
Student <P-75sk...@dk-online.dk> wrote:
>
>I agree completely with Barry regarding the use of these chemicals. Furthermore I have the opinion that the
>use of tyre additives in off road racing is unnecessary, it's dangerous we are using far too many chemicals on
>our planet and we as R/C'ers don't need it. It smells like "hell" to use it it's unhealthy and I think that
>the use of tyre additives should be benned in all classes On & Off Road racing as well.
You make a good point. The costs far outweight the benefits. If it were
banned, it would be one less thing we'd have to spend our money on to be
competitive.
Matt
Dominic
In rec.models.rc.land,Matt Verrochi <MVer...@aol.com> penned:
>You make a good point. The costs far outweight the benefits. If it were
>banned, it would be one less thing we'd have to spend our money on to be
>competitive.
So very true. The costs(personal health problems for you and others around
for life) *do* outweigh the benefits(traction for a 4 minute race). Now
just what am I supposed to do with my brand new bottle of Buggy Grip?!
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Dominic Tuso
Vancouver, Washington, USA
Jason Low
Yeah I agree the stuff smells horrible and it is harmful and stuff... but
banning this substance would only make proline happier. The company will
just make tyres softer and softer, hence wear out quickier and we RCers
will have to buy them more often. Isn't this more expensive?
Jeffrey Scott
We're not talking about cost here. We're talking about our environment
and our children's environment. Besides if Pro-Line did that with their
line of tires well.... they aren't the only company who makes them. I
for one would believe that would be a very ill-fated marketing strategy
on their part.
my .02
Geoff
Matt Verrochi
Nobody I race with uses any traction compound off-road. I think we're so
sick and tired of the stench and cost (becasue we have to use it) for our
on-road cars, it's not even a consideration. I've never even
experimented with traction compound for off-road so I have no idea if it
even works.
I also (personal speculation here) don't imagine the tire companies
design their tires with compounds in mind, they work on tread type and
compound basis.
Personally, I think the largest factor in tires is the tread design, not
the softness of the rubber. Besides, most tires are fairly soft anyhow.
All IMHO
Matt
ndo...@seattleu.edu
Matt Verrochi wrote:
> Personally, I think the largest factor in tires is the tread design, not
> the softness of the rubber. Besides, most tires are fairly soft anyhow.
On this point, I must disagree. I have tried many different tread designs
and many different rubber compounds. IMO the most important factor in the
amount of traction I get is the softness of the rubber. For instance, I
have used Losi IFMAR pin rear tires in both gold and silver compounds.
The silver compound is softer than the gold. I get more traction with the
silver than with the gold. I have used Losi "Sprint" pattern tires in
both gold and silver compounds. Again, the silver, the softer compound,
has better traction. I have found the same to be true with front tires.
The softer, the more traction.
I have also tried many kinds of chemical compounds that soften rubber.
Any tire that has been treated is softer than a tire that has not been
treated. The treated and softer tire has more traction than the
untreated, not so soft tire.
Dominic
In rec.models.rc.land,ndo...@seattleu.edu penned:
>Matt Verrochi wrote:
>> Personally, I think the largest factor in tires is the tread design, not
>> the softness of the rubber. Besides, most tires are fairly soft anyhow.
>[snip]
>has better traction. I have found the same to be true with front tires.
>The softer, the more traction.
Nick, on your track in Tacoma a softer tires works because your track is
very, very hard pack and has nary a bit of fluff on the surface. Now if
you race on a track made of soft dirt, like you'd find over in Tri-Cities
on their outdoor track, you'll want to run a harder compound tire to give
you more traction by digging into the loose dirt easier. That's why
shovels are usually never made out of plastic. The hard metal has an easy
time diggin' in. I hope I didn't lose you with the analogy <G>.
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Dominic Tuso
Vancouver, Washington, USA
Plzb6ib9
Monkey see-monkey do. Last longer. Smell. Ozone. Well, I have just got
to add my 2 cents worth... Everybody i race with uses it so I must as
well....My tire don't just seem to last longer when I use it they do last
longer. They even get better as they get balder... If it stinks spray it
outside... Ozone, the batteries whe are using are by far more damaging to
Mother Earth than buggy grip...
It's the future, Adapt or come in last....