What's wrong with the OS LA series?
Mike Szewczyk
engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series."
Whenever you see an RTF or ARF model that comes with the radio, etc, the
Engine is usually an LA.
What's wrong with the LA? Is whatever is bad about it so bad that you'd
spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model?
One guy said it was "mushy" but I have no idea what that means. Is this
engine snobbery or a legitimate problem?
I can understand avoiding it (if there are problems with it) when buying
just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying
a model because it comes with one?
Douglas Kaip
From what I have gleaned from pretty much lurking this group for a while is
that the LA series are fine engines. It is a bushed engine ( instead of
bearings ). It is not an engine that you think of when the word "power"
pops into your head. It should have enough power to pull a trainer or other
"low" performance planes around the sky, but, don't expect 45 degree
climbouts. I suspect that since it is bushed it will wear out faster.
I think the prevailing thought is that if you get a "better" engine up front
you will save money in the long run because you can put it in your next
plane as you grow in the hobby. Engines typically outlast the airframes.
You can search the Google archives for it and get plenty of views one way or
the other.
Douglas Kaip
"Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M> wrote in message
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Frank Costa
The OS .15LA is a fine engine, actually one of the most powerful in it's
size, great bang for the buck.
The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate
too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's actually
quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and you
have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving a
full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood. Do yourself a favor, if you
HAVE to stick a .40, get the TT .42Gp or the Evolution .40NT or just about
anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46 Pro
and never look back.
Frank Costa
"Frank Costa" <fran...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
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A correction. The O.S. .65LA is by some accounts a strong running engine, so
I guess my comments apply basically to the .40. The .25 I haven't heard much
about. A friend had one and wasn't very impressed.
Mike Szewczyk
> too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's
actually
> quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and
you
> have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving a
> full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood. Do yourself a favor, if
you
> HAVE to stick a .40, get the TT .42Gp or the Evolution .40NT or just about
> anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46 Pro
> and never look back.
>
Well, that's sort of my point. It comes on the model. It's my first model.
Do I add $100
to the price of my first model to switch out the the LA motor that's on it?
Is it THAT bad?
Gregg Uhlendorf
Nothing that isn't wrong with any other engine. IOW, they're OK.
Frank Costa
trainers that come with the Evolution engine. The .40LA trainer WILL fly,
though, don't get me wrong, so you can go ahead and get that one and hold
off on any further engine purchases until you've made a decision on whether
the engine has enough power for your own personnel taste.
"Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M> wrote in message
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Skybomb
they all have been great engines, and after only four years of flying, only
the .15la is no longer used, because it got planted 6" in to the ground. not
the engines fault.
you have to understand that the "La" engines are O.S.'s low cost engines, to
help get people into flying, they are a good decent engine for the money.
this is only my opinion, and there for no one is held responsible for my
thoughts
thank you
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
<szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M>hcgi.com> wrote:
> ... What's wrong with the LA?
Low power (bushed bearing instead of ball bearings).
Japanese-philips screw heads instead of hex heads holding
the cylinder-head on.
Remote needle valve.
Plastic or nylon back plate? Don't overtighten if it is
a non-metallic part.
> Is whatever is bad about it so bad that you'd
>spend another $100+ to get another engine for the RTF model?
If you're determined to buy an RTF, either look for one that doesn't
have the LA--I'm pretty sure that there are TT RTF kits and
... the "Evolution" series. I'd bet that these don't cost $100
more than an LA-equipped RTF, but I don't know for sure.
>One guy said it was "mushy" but I have no idea what that means. Is this
>engine snobbery or a legitimate problem?
It's a way of saying "low-power".
>I can understand avoiding it (if there are problems with it) when buying
>just an engine, but is the engine so horrible that I have to pass on buying
>a model because it comes with one?
Nope. You can learn to fly with it. 95% of OS engines are easy to
start, quiet, durable, and reliable. Try the engine yourself and
see if you like it.
Marty
Gregg Uhlendorf
fran...@NOSPAMearthlink.net says...
<snip>>
> The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they vibrate
> too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's actually
> quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and you
> have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving a
> full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood.
I own a very used 40-LA on my ol' beater, an Avistar trainer(~5.5 lb.)
that has been used to fully train two pilots through plenty of 'jams',
and flown a lot since. Swinging an APC 10x6 on 10% nitro, it still has
plenty of power for the application. I even get several seconds of hang-
time on the vertical. It doesn't vibrate more than any other 2-stroke
I've owned. It starts and runs reliably. My only dislike is the well
known "LA Rattle" sound at low throttle. Though that's just a benign
annoyance for sure.
I recently flew it at a fun-fly where one task was a dead stick duration
contest, a 25 sec. full power climb out from takeoff to shutdown. I
estimate it climbed at a constant 35-40 deg., and after 25 sec. it was a
speck.
IMO, of course it's not the best engine. It's a low budget engine. But,
for the money, it certainly does the job.
Dr1Driver
The LA is a low-power engine for the size. It is bushed instead of
ball-bearing and has an air-bleed carburator. This carb may be difficult to
adjust at idle. The air bleed hole often doesn't let in enough air to properly
lean the mixture.
As someone else said, don't overtighten the screws in the plastic backplate.
It's a good .30-size engine in a .40-size package.
I have heard excellent reports about the Evolution engine and I know the TT Pro
series are excellent as well.
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Ted Campanelli
great (and sometimes not so great) words of knowledge:
20 years ago they were a decent engine. With the changing times and
improvements in technology they are weak engines. They are a bushed
bearing engine that uses 20 year old technology.
To get a better idea of what people mean when they say the engine is
weak, go to the Tower site http://www.towerhobbies.com/listings.html
and compare the horse power ratings on the OS 40 LA and the OS
40FX/AX, also compare the horse power of the OS 46LA and the OS 46
FX/AX, Thunder Tiger Pro 46, GMS 46, etc.
The numbers will tell you. While you are at it compare the price of an
OS 40LA to a Super Tiger 40 or an OS 46LA engine against the Thunder
Tiger Pro 46, Tower 46 (made by GMS, but not as good) and the GMS 46.
You will find that for a little difference in cost, you get A LOT MORE
POWER.
I ALWAYS tell people to buy everything separately. Yes, it costs a
little more up front, but you have something decent to work with and you
don't have to go out and buy another engine or different brand
transmitter or a "Buddy Box" (since no one at your site can "buddy box"
to your transmitter) or a computer radio 6 months down the road because
the "BASE" level radio can not do anything except the bare basics.
Dr1Driver
I hit the wrong button....here's the rest of my reply.
You don't have to spend another $100. Tower Hobbies lists the OS .46 AX as
$114.99 and the OS .40LA as $56.99. The AX series has more power and will last
through several sport model planes.
As others have suggested, look for different trainer packages that do not
include the LA. The LA will fly a 5-lb. trainer, but doesn't have much reserve
power to get out of trouble.
Here's a good example: An OS .40 LA won't spin a 10x4 prop as fast as my OS
.32 SX or my Webra Speed .32. Neither of these engines is a good choice for a
.40 trainer, either.
As I and others have mentioned before, take a look at the Evolution, TT Pro,
and the OS AX. I believe these engines will give you more flyability and
satisfaction for the money.
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
<szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M>hcgi.com> wrote:
>.... It comes on the model. It's my first model. ...
Have you already purchased the LA-equipped trainer?
If so, go fly it, have fun, and let us know what you think
afterward.
If not, you might shop for something with a slightly
stouter powerplant.
In our club, we fly from grass and have lots of wind
in the 8-15 mph range. Ball-bearing .40s have
proven far superior to the plain-bearing engines
for takeoff and training.
Marty
Mike Szewczyk
that's a good deal (consignment) but it has the LA engine. If that one is
gone when I actually have the money,
I'll shop for one sans-LA.
"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <mol...@canisius.edu> wrote in message
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Martin X. Moleski, SJ
<greggu-RE...@garlic.com> wrote:
> ... My only dislike is the well
>known "LA Rattle" sound at low throttle.
Previously known as the "FP Rattle." ;o)
It may be common to all bearing engines. I don't remember whether
my TT .25 GP rattles.
>I recently flew it at a fun-fly where one task was a dead stick duration
>contest, a 25 sec. full power climb out from takeoff to shutdown. I
>estimate it climbed at a constant 35-40 deg., and after 25 sec. it was a
>speck.
That reminds me of a virtue of the plain-bearing engines:
they weigh less than the ball-bearing engines by five or six ounces
and can take a lot of abuse.
Marty
Dan
marginal in power but taught me to fly. It's on a LT-25 now and makes
a great combination on the lighter airframe.
It's always been a sweetheart to run, with a good idle and one-flip
starts.
For a low-cost kit trainer, a LT-25 with the LA40 is hard to beat! I
wouldn't buy another one, but I've had great service from the one I
have.
Fubar of The HillPeople
reliable, user friendly engines. They are not powerhouses so while they are
excellent for trainers they are not the engine choice for anyone wanting
speed or acrobatics.
I learned to fly glow with an OS .46LA. My father flies his LT-40 around
with an OS .40LA. He flew his Scooter with an OS .10LA. All those engines
ran great right out of the box.
The thing about the LA series engines is that they dont have the power of a
ball bearing engine such as the FX series. They are not meant to.
Other than that, there is nothing wrong with them.
--
Dan
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The Natural Philosopher
> There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with LA engines. They are sturdy,
> reliable, user friendly engines. They are not powerhouses so while they are
> excellent for trainers they are not the engine choice for anyone wanting
> speed or acrobatics.
> I learned to fly glow with an OS .46LA. My father flies his LT-40 around
> with an OS .40LA. He flew his Scooter with an OS .10LA. All those engines
> ran great right out of the box.
> The thing about the LA series engines is that they dont have the power of a
> ball bearing engine such as the FX series. They are not meant to.
> Other than that, there is nothing wrong with them.
Precisely. You trade off ultimate top end power for the ease of tuning
that comes from a small carb orifice.
Its always easier to set up a low tune engine.
Arne
Venture 60 / .65 sized
Mid West Hots II, .40 sized
Butterfly, .25 sized
The Venture will do steep climb outs (almost vertical).... the Hots II the
same. And the Butterfly.... well, it is a Butterfly.
All engines have many trouble-free hours on them... they start easily and
run well....
I also have a Thunder Tiger .91 4-cycle that runs very strong. I mention
this because in my club there are 3 and the joke has become: "at least there
in one that runs good".
My brother has bought Tower engines and some others (super tiger I think)
and he is happy with them..... my thinking is most engines these days run
well....... except my .52 magnum which has never had any discernable
compression.... it is so bad the compression stroke is hardly
recognizable...
If I bought something that came with a proper sized OS LA it would be like
buying an old friend...
.
Arne, USA
.
.
"Dan" <d.b...@mchsi.com> wrote in message
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Greg Forestieri
It was the first engine I ever ran where the backplate unscrewed
itself and was hanging loose after a flight. One of the screws was
completely missing, the others very loose. To their credit OS
replaced the screws gratis.
A bit hard to start, but not too bad.
I find the remote needle (not specific to the LA) a chore to deal with
in tuning. I like angled needle valves better as a safety feature.
Greg
David Wolper
returned to the sport. It survived me re-learning with all that goes with
it. It is still going as is the trainer now it trains others and the engine
still produces everything necessary including limited aerobatics when.
If you want out and out power then the LA series is not what you want. If
you want reliability and very little fiddling around with the engine then it
is pretty good. That precisely why they are mostly used to train new
pilots. Yes they are basic but basic is good when you are learning. I'd
rather learn on an LA than an Irvine say. Too much messing around.
Like everything else it depends what you are going to do.
David.
"Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M> wrote in message
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Brian Hampton
Douglas Kaip wrote:
> I suspect that since it is bushed it will wear out faster.
Actually it's the other way round so long as the correct amount and type
of oil is used and this means 20-22% and preferably at least half being
castor. Do this and you'll probably never wear out the bush while
everyone else is continually putting in new bearings.
The "rattle" at low throttle is normal for all plain bushed engines
because there are no ball races to lock the crankshaft longitudinally.
This rattle goes away when prop thrust overcomes the tendency to move
backwards.
Douglas Kaip
"Brian Hampton" <spams...@aapt.net.au> wrote in message
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I would never have guessed that correctly.
Arne
figured something on the plane was loose and rattling.. (I have 4 OS LA
engines; not because they are the best, but because I've never had a single
problem with them, I just kept buying them).
.
Arne, USA
.
.
> >
AAA
"Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M> wrote in message
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> Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the
O.S.
> engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series."
>
> Whenever you see an RTF or ARF model that comes with the radio, etc,
the
> Engine is usually an LA.
It will last as long as your trainer (about 3-4 months)
An OS46FX can be used in another pane and is almost indestructible
KG4ZTU
I have two .40 LA engines and haven't had any trouble. Maybe just luck,
but with all the others I have seen with no problems, I would say they
are very good engines for the $$$.
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Bob Cowell
I don't know about anyone else, but this seems like a terribly pessimistic
estimate of both the engine life and the airframe life.
My first plane (aerostar 40) flew for the first time on October 13 1996
It still has an honored place in my lineup, and has been used HARD through it's
life.
At least five people have used it to train and solo, at least 5 others got at
least some training on it, and it has been used to give many more a taste of RC
flight.
all that, and it is still flying on the same 40fp engine it started with.
The LA series isn't all that different from the FP series, and we have used the
LA on several sport planes including the dazzler and Limbo Dancer.
To really see what these "junk" engines are capable of, slap them on a 4 pound
airframe, stick on a nice APC 11x5 prop and a MCP.
bob
Paul McIntosh
between the crank and the case. OS and others made several thickness thrust
washers early on (in the FP days) just for that. Usually, if they rattle at
idle, there is about enough clearance for an extra washer. Don't get it too
tight as the case expands more than the crank when hot.
--
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>
>
Paul McIntosh
Thunder Tiger Pro 46 or GMS 47. Both of those are head and shoulders above
the LA series. Most trainers come out VERY tail heavy so the couple extra
ounces of engine weight will also come in handy.
--
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"Mike Szewczyk hcgi.com>" <szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M> wrote in message
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> > The rest of them, and ESPECIALLY the .40, are very weak, and they
vibrate
> > too much. That .40 has about the power that a .25 should have, it's
> actually
> > quite sad. An O.S. .40LA on a 6 lb+. trainer is not much fun at all, and
> you
> > have very little, or no, power reserve to get out of a jam, like driving
a
> > full size truck with a 4-banger under the hood. Do yourself a favor, if
> you
> > HAVE to stick a .40, get the TT .42Gp or the Evolution .40NT or just
about
> > anyone else's .40, or better yet, skip the whole size and get a TT .46
Pro
> > and never look back.
> >
>
> Well, that's sort of my point. It comes on the model. It's my first
model.
Paul McIntosh
The LA series are not nearly as good as the FP engines were. The LA series
seems to be a step backwards for OS in their attempt to squeeze even more
money from modelers. I have seen many run side by side and the FP was
always a better performer. Shortly after the LA series were introduced,
many people were calling for OS to bring back the FP.
--
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"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> K <iguana...@hotmail.com> posted message
> ID<1u0ef0huhj4psl0qv...@4ax.com>on Fri, 16 Jul 2004
> 08:47:35 +1000
>
> >
> >Although I prefer O.S's predecessor the FP, for the training role or
> >one where its performance class is not restrictive the LA appears
> >quite OK. The ones that I've seen in operation seem to respond the
> >same as any other engine to dickheads. If it's a dickhead using it,
> >they'll have the usual dickhead incurred problems no matter which
> >brand or design they choose. The LA just becames the new and an easy
> >whipping boy because it's blue & prominent, it's ugly and it's
> >different (new). You used to hear the same shit about the FP, though
> >not to the same extent when it was the intro engine.
>
> You should be more careful with your name-calling. Paul McIntosh is
> very sensitive and easily bruised.
Pete Kerezman
<pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:
>As usual, Klondyke has nothing constructive to add.
Has he ever made an airplane-related post? Does he even fly R/C?
Curious Pete
Paul McIntosh
because I was on another continent working.
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"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message
> ID<40fd3994$0$4541$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader01.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul
> 2004 16:26:52 +0100
> >As usual, Klondyke has nothing constructive to add.
>
> Nonsense, Paul. I was looking out for your easily-damaged psyche.
> After all, you disappeared for more than a week the last time you got
> all butthurt over name-calling.
Paul McIntosh
C.O. is conversant in airplane subjects.
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Eb
standard ordinary bushing engines.
If all you need is a standard ordinary engine they work fine.
If you want a more powerful engine, upgrade to a ball bearings engine.
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:20:20 -0500, "Mike Szewczyk"
<szewczykm@<N0SP-a_M>hcgi.com> wrote:
>Almost everyone I speak to about getting my first plane qualifies the O.S.
>engine choice with, "Just make sure it's not the LA series."
>
>Whenever you see an RTF or ARF model that comes with the radio, etc, the
>Engine is usually an LA.
>
Paul McIntosh
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"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message
> ID<40fd9180$0$92653$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>on Tue, 20 Jul
> 2004 22:41:18 +0100
> >Another know-nothing response from a worthless poster.
>
> Do you deny that you whined about name-calling, while ironically
> indulging in name-calling yourself?
>
> > I disappeared
> >because I was on another continent working.
>
> Then I'm sure that you'll want to go back and address the issues that,
> up to now, look like you abandoned them. I'll re-post them for you if
> you wish.
Paul McIntosh
There are plenty of them that easily out-perform the LA series and cost less
as well. The Thunder Tiger GP series are a prime example.
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"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message
> ID<40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 17:37:02 +0100
> >Beat your dead horse all you like.
>
> That you whine about name-calling, yet lack the integrity to refrain
> from name-calling yourself is, indeed, proven beyond all doubt, but
> I'd hardly call it a 'dead horse'.
>
> "you use diversion and name calling."-Paul McIntosh
>
> "Gee, just like Shrub?"-Paul McIntosh
> "You have your head so up a hole that you can't see the world in front
> of you."-Paul McIntosh
> "...blind following of a group of crazy people."-Paul McIntosh
> "No, YOU are a waste of time."-Paul McIntosh
> "YOU linked to it you dipshit!"-Paul McIntosh
> "It was the link to the ACTUAL report, dipshit."-Paul McIntosh
> "You are a dope."-Paul McIntosh
> "For the dense among you"-Paul McIntosh
> "What the F**k is he saying"-Paul McIntosh
>
Pete Kerezman
<looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
<pure BS snipped>
HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C?
Texas Pete
Bruce Simpson
<pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:
>That is where the LA series differ from may other standard bushed engines.
>There are plenty of them that easily out-perform the LA series and cost less
>as well. The Thunder Tiger GP series are a prime example.
Perhaps it's that OS considers it important to retain a significant
performance difference between its budget engines and its more
expensive offerings.
If the LA was as good as the TT GP, chances are that it would eat into
sales of the OS ball-bearing series.
More often than not the marketing department rules the engineering
department and decisions are made more on the basis of the overall
bottom line than on any engineering-related basis.
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performers in their size range and are poor performers when price is
factored in.
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Pete Kerezman
<looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C?
>
>Why do you want to know? Writing a book?
Nah. Just exposing a windy fraud.
Texas Pete
Pete Kerezman
<pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:
>I predict a totally useless answer to this.....
>
Roger that. It happened.
Texas Pete
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"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message
> ID<40fee087$0$96034$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Wed, 21 Jul
> 2004 22:30:56 +0100
> >I predict a totally useless answer to this.....
>
> And you were appointed 'Moderator in Charge of Value' for the group
> when, exactly? In light of your lofty position, explain how so many
> of your worthless political posts got posted. Or, is this another
> example of your standards applying only to 'other people'?
> --
Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Pete Kerezman" <pete...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Pete Kerezman
<looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>Pete Kerezman <pete...@aol.com> posted message
>ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhod...@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004
>16:56:03 -0500
>If you ain't writing a book, you don't need to know. And Paul is
>already exposed as a fraud.
Paul has been exposed herein as a superlative engine man and much
more. What'd you ever do to advance the R/C airplane hobby? Just in
case I decide to write a book, eh, which I'm thoroughly capable of
doing.
I suggest you contribute or remain less than zero. I repeat: Do you
even fly R/C?
Texas Pete
Dan
to contribute to bandwidth pollution. I would suggest you drink your
cold beer and go off to bed like a nice boy!
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:33:23 GMT, Todd Klondike
<looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>pete...@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message
>ID<40fefd19...@news.intcomm.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:38:14 GMT
>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:45:27 GMT, Todd Klondike
>><looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>>
>>>Pete Kerezman <pete...@aol.com> posted message
>>>ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhod...@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004
>>>16:56:03 -0500
>>>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:07:28 GMT, Todd Klondike
>>>><looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you want to know? Writing a book?
>>>>
>>>> Nah. Just exposing a windy fraud.
>>>
>>>If you ain't writing a book, you don't need to know. And Paul is
>>>already exposed as a fraud.
>>
>> Paul has been exposed herein as a superlative engine man and much
>>more.
>
>'More' being a disingenuous LIEberal who thinks his standards should
>only apply to 'other people' and never to himself.
>
>>What'd you ever do to advance the R/C airplane hobby?
>
>I have not yet strangled LIEberal R/C'rs with their own intestines.
>I have caused quitguy and regtum to take vows of silence.
>I have exposed Paul as a butthurt LIEberal who cannot support any of
>his absurd claims with a single fact.
>And I've forced Neville to post only on-topic information instead of
>his usual drunken ravings.
>
>What the fuck have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'?
>
>>Just in
>>case I decide to write a book, eh, which I'm thoroughly capable of
>>doing.
>
>Then I suggest you kiss my ass and make it a love story.
>
>>
>> I suggest you contribute or remain less than zero. I repeat: Do you
>>even fly R/C?
>
>What possible difference could that make, TexAss Pete?
Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> Dan <d.b...@mchsi.com> posted message
> ID<bu2uf0l3aimuiijii...@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004
> 00:42:25 GMT
> >It appears to me that Paul gives good, cogent advice.
>
> What appears to you is irrelevant.
>
> >You only seem
> >to contribute to bandwidth pollution.
>
> What seems to you is irrelevant.
>
> What you can prove is relevant.
>
> As to bandwidth pollution, I submit the following:
>
> Message-ID: <40feed55$0$63368$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40fee087$0$96034$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40fec5ae$0$63388$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40fd91b5$0$92638$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40fd9180$0$92653$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40f22dd8$0$547$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40f22bf8$0$544$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <40f1bf2d$0$549$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
> Message-ID: <6GqHc.4455$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
> Message-ID: <6FqHc.4454$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
> Message-ID: <4DqHc.4453$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
>
> All by the same person. All off-topic. All 'bandwidth pollution'.
> There are more, but the point is made. Why is Paul held to a
> different standard than others? Why did you not tell Paul to 'go off
> to bed'?
> Does he have incriminating photos of you sucking his cawk?
>
> >I would suggest you drink your
> >cold beer and go off to bed like a nice boy!
>
> I would suggest that you keep your nose out of other people's
> business, and, before you attempt to attract more of my attention,
> learn that I am in no way a 'nice boy'.
The Natural Philosopher
> Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat!
>
Of course. You don't agre with yor politics, therefore you are a
dangerous un american LIEberal.
Cf. McCarthyism.
Pete Kerezman
<looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>What... have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'?
I have supported it by having a half-dozen or so kit reviews
published in R/C Report magazine and by helping dozens of newbies
learn to fly.
It's obvious that you, however, have nothing to offer other than
neurotic vitriol. If you weren't so obnoxious I could pity you, but
since that's not possible I'll just make you disappear instead.
Texas Pete
Herb Winston
Good on ya, it appears that Todd "Klondike"has had nothing to offer this
group at any time of his posting here, & his repeated messages only confirm
it.
Best regards,
--
Herb Winston AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL
He may look like an idiot,
and he may sound like an idiot,
but don't let him fool you.
He really is an idiot.
Mark Twain
Herb Winston
You haven't rid this group of anything. I am a Conservative, but not the
type that you appear to be: a petty jerk. Even if Paul is a Liberal, I
highly respect him for his knowledge of the R/C sport & after having dealt
with him for several years I consider him a man of high character & strong
values. He is what a friend should be..
--
Herb Winston AMA 50438
Bonita Springs, FL
Remove NO SPAM to reply
Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Herb Winston" <detec...@earthlink.net> posted message
> ID<cUPLc.9190$f4....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul
> 2004 14:09:12 GMT
> >Todd "Klondike":
> >
> >You haven't rid this group of anything.
>
> Why would you say something that is so easily proved false? Try and
> find the last political post in this group. Then, note the date of
> that post. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>
> >I am a Conservative, but not the
> >type that you appear to be: a petty jerk.
>
> Watch that name-calling. Paul does not approve.
>
> >Even if Paul is a Liberal, I
> >highly respect him for his knowledge of the R/C sport & after having
dealt
> >with him for several years I consider him a man of high character &
strong
> >values. He is what a friend should be..
>
> What possible difference does that make? I take issue with Paul's
> apparent belief that he should be held to different (and lower)
> standards than other people.
>
> --
>
> "you use diversion and name calling."-Paul McIntosh
>
> "twat!"-Paul McIntosh
Paul McIntosh
perfectly acceptable to talk about killing your pet and having sex with it
afterwards.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Herb Winston" <detec...@earthlink.net> posted message
> ID<cUPLc.9190$f4....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>on Thu, 22 Jul
> 2004 14:09:12 GMT
> >Todd "Klondike":
> >
> >You haven't rid this group of anything.
>
> Why would you say something that is so easily proved false? Try and
> find the last political post in this group. Then, note the date of
> that post. Go ahead, I'll wait.
>
> >I am a Conservative, but not the
> >type that you appear to be: a petty jerk.
>
> Watch that name-calling. Paul does not approve.
>
> >Even if Paul is a Liberal, I
> >highly respect him for his knowledge of the R/C sport & after having
dealt
> >with him for several years I consider him a man of high character &
strong
> >values. He is what a friend should be..
>
Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
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Arne
paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all
became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away...
.
Arne, USA
.
.
"K" <iguana...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:25:34 +0100, "Paul McIntosh"
> <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:
>
> >Blah, blah, blah
>
> Y'know, if you had just let him rant without perpetuating the
> stupidity I'd have thought there only one idiot instead of two.
>
> Now children - DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS CAR !!! ;)
Arne
.
Arne, USA
.
.
news:76osf05bk5b165vnj...@4ax.com...
> The LA's are standard ordinary bushing engines. They performs like
> standard ordinary bushing engines.
>
> If all you need is a standard ordinary engine they work fine.
>
> If you want a more powerful engine, upgrade to a ball bearings engine.
Paul McIntosh
on-topic posts here. How many do YOU have?
FWIW, I have even seen people going to the expense of machining new bushings
for the 65LA after the original wore out!
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Arne" <alices...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
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> "Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> posted message
> ID<40ffe904$0$96004$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>on Thu, 22 Jul
> 2004 17:19:31 +0100
> >Now, rid the board of yourself and your mission will be complete.
>
> Talking to yourself? That's a sure sign of mental strain. You should
> take another couple weeks off.
Dr1Driver
>paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all
>became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away...
Hi Arne, long time no hear.
Hey you guys, I got the cup and the tape measure...stand back, unzip, and let
it fly!
Dr.1 Driver
"There's a Hun in the sun!"
Pete Kerezman
<pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote:
>The only thing I don't approve of is people like you who think it is
>perfectly acceptable to talk <crap>
Paul - the unfortunate creature to whom you refer is nothing more
than a simple-minded rabble rouser, and I have rendered it invisible
to me. <poof> So nice. You ain't rabble, so don't be roused.
Texas Pete
Pete Kerezman
wrote:
>Ah, yes... A message from Tod, a message from Paul... Todd, Paul, todd,
>paul, todd, paul... the pete got into the fray... and of course, it all
>became personal and the os la discussion just dribbled away...
There's nothin' left to discuss anyway. It would appear that
concensus is that the LA engines are acceptable but there's superior
alternatives. And Toad thang has ceased to exist for me. Once it
ceases to exist for everyone it will disappear entirely.
Texas Pete
Paul McIntosh
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
"Pete Kerezman" <pete...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bill Fulmer
Note how he changed his screen name and bogus email addy to bypass Pete's
"poofmaker"...
Trolls thrive on the replies they get from their "fish"...
Ignore this twit and he'll disappear in a nonce....
"Paul McIntosh" <pa...@mcintoshcentral.com> wrote in message
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reg
> Gee, I must have really struck a nerve with this twat!
>
> --
> Paul McIntosh
The guy's as nutty as a fruit cake.... stark staring mad.
Just ignore him, if nobody responds to his mad ramblings then he
can't play the fool anymore.... although he is outstanding as an idiot.
Ignore him and he will probably just implode, he won't get any fun
talking to himself.
Reg
> http://www.rc-bearings.com
> "Todd Klondike" <looki...@cold.beer> wrote in message
> news:40ff0fef....@cold.beer...
>> Dan <d.b...@mchsi.com> posted message
>> ID<bu2uf0l3aimuiijii...@4ax.com>on Thu, 22 Jul 2004
>> 00:42:25 GMT
>> >It appears to me that Paul gives good, cogent advice.
>>
>> What appears to you is irrelevant.
>>
>> >You only seem
>> >to contribute to bandwidth pollution.
>>
>> What seems to you is irrelevant.
>>
>> What you can prove is relevant.
>>
>> As to bandwidth pollution, I submit the following:
>>
>> Message-ID: <40feed55$0$63368$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40fee087$0$96034$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40fec5ae$0$63388$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40fe9ba7$0$63399$ed2e...@ptn-nntp-reader04.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40fd91b5$0$92638$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40fd9180$0$92653$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40f22dd8$0$547$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40f22bf8$0$544$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <40f1bf2d$0$549$ed26...@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net>
>> Message-ID: <6GqHc.4455$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
>> Message-ID: <6FqHc.4454$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
>> Message-ID: <4DqHc.4453$Fc7.8...@stones.force9.net>
>>
>> All by the same person. All off-topic. All 'bandwidth pollution'.
>> There are more, but the point is made. Why is Paul held to a
>> different standard than others? Why did you not tell Paul to 'go off
>> to bed'?
>> Does he have incriminating photos of you sucking his cawk?
>>
>> >I would suggest you drink your
>> >cold beer and go off to bed like a nice boy!
>>
>> I would suggest that you keep your nose out of other people's
>> business, and, before you attempt to attract more of my attention,
>> learn that I am in no way a 'nice boy'.
>>
>> >
>> >On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:33:23 GMT, Todd Klondike
>> ><looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>> >
>> >>pete...@aol.com (Pete Kerezman) posted message
>> >>ID<40fefd19...@news.intcomm.net>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004 23:38:14 GMT
>> >>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 22:45:27 GMT, Todd Klondike
>> >>><looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>Pete Kerezman <pete...@aol.com> posted message
>> >>>>ID<hhptf0pp4brs5bhod...@4ax.com>on Wed, 21 Jul 2004
>> >>>>16:56:03 -0500
>> >>>>>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 21:07:28 GMT, Todd Klondike
>> >>>>><looki...@cold.beer> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> HAY TODD - Do you even fly R/C?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>Why do you want to know? Writing a book?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Nah. Just exposing a windy fraud.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If you ain't writing a book, you don't need to know. And Paul is
>> >>>>already exposed as a fraud.
>> >>>
>> >>> Paul has been exposed herein as a superlative engine man and much
>> >>>more.
>> >>
>> >>'More' being a disingenuous LIEberal who thinks his standards should
>> >>only apply to 'other people' and never to himself.
>> >>
>> >>>What'd you ever do to advance the R/C airplane hobby?
>> >>
>> >>I have not yet strangled LIEberal R/C'rs with their own intestines.
>> >>I have caused quitguy and regtum to take vows of silence.
>> >>I have exposed Paul as a butthurt LIEberal who cannot support any of
>> >>his absurd claims with a single fact.
>> >>And I've forced Neville to post only on-topic information instead of
>> >>his usual drunken ravings.
>> >>
>> >>What the fuck have you ever done to 'advance the R/C airplane hobby'?
>> >>
>> >>>Just in
>> >>>case I decide to write a book, eh, which I'm thoroughly capable of
>> >>>doing.
>> >>
>> >>Then I suggest you kiss my ass and make it a love story.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I suggest you contribute or remain less than zero. I repeat: Do you
>> >>>even fly R/C?
>> >>
>> >>What possible difference could that make, TexAss Pete?
>>
>> --
>>
>> "you use diversion and name calling."-Paul McIntosh
>>
Paul McIntosh
voice.
--
Paul McIntosh
http://www.rc-bearings.com
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Dr1Driver
>
Must be measuring in AOL chat room inches! :)