Gluing down ground foam...
curtis thetford
have a few questions:
1) I was trying to use the method where I use wet paint to secure the foam.
I put down a layer of fine earth color, followed by a layer medium earth, a
layer of fine burnt turf, then some medium turf (I didn't do complete
coverage on each layer of course. I also sprinkled a bit or coarse turf
around the area. I found that the paint just secured about 40% of the
material. Is that normal?
2) Several web sites referred to misting on a 50-50 mix of water and glue
(with a bit of soap) over the top. When I tried this with my $.99 sprayer
from Wal-Mart, I couldn't get the glue mix to come out in anything other
than a stream (no matter how I adjusted the nozzle). With water, I can get
a mix with no problem, although it comes out with enough force to move the
turf around so I had to point it up and let the mist "rain" on the table.
Does anyone have any tips on getting this to work? It would be a lot easier
than the eyedropper I wound up using.
Should I give up on the white glue and just go buy the spray adhesive from
woodland scenic?
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KTØT
I've found that cheap sprayers don't do the job. They clog or don't give a
fine spray. I have been using some sprayers I found at a surplus store and
they work fairly well -- experimentation is required.
I use white glue, water and alcohol (used to use soap but found the alcohol
works better) mixed. I don't recall the proportions but something like 5
parts glue, 20 parts water and 1 part alcohol might work.. I just eyeball
it. The Scenic Cement is nice but I don't think it is worth the $$ over
white glue.
BTW, nice website; we're into tropical fish and gardening too. The water
taken out when cleaning the tank is great for flowers.
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Bob Schwartz
Modeling Waseca, MN in the 50s
"curtis thetford" <cur...@thetford.nospam.org> wrote in message
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: Well, I've just glued my first patch of ground foam on my first layout and
:
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Pacific57
alcohol, and water. First wet the area with a sprayer with 50/50 water
and alcohol, then dribble on the glue mix until the white spots run
together. This takes a little finesse (but not alot). An area with too much
glue can get a bit more ground cover sprinkled on. Touch up here and
there. You can put a fan on it to speed up the drying BUT WAIT FOR
THE WHITE OF THE GLUE TO FADE FIRST or you can end up with
satin-finish scenery (this is bad).
Paint is ok for the base but it never worked too well for me as an
adhesive. Let it dry first (fan will help).
-John
Robert Heller
In a message on Sat, 23 Mar 2002 19:22:42 GMT, wrote :
"t> Well, I've just glued my first patch of ground foam on my first layout and
"t> have a few questions:
"t> 1) I was trying to use the method where I use wet paint to secure the foam.
"t> I put down a layer of fine earth color, followed by a layer medium earth, a
"t> layer of fine burnt turf, then some medium turf (I didn't do complete
"t> coverage on each layer of course. I also sprinkled a bit or coarse turf
"t> around the area. I found that the paint just secured about 40% of the
"t> material. Is that normal?
"t>
"t> 2) Several web sites referred to misting on a 50-50 mix of water and glue
"t> (with a bit of soap) over the top. When I tried this with my $.99 sprayer
"t> from Wal-Mart, I couldn't get the glue mix to come out in anything other
"t> than a stream (no matter how I adjusted the nozzle). With water, I can get
"t> a mix with no problem, although it comes out with enough force to move the
"t> turf around so I had to point it up and let the mist "rain" on the table.
"t> Does anyone have any tips on getting this to work? It would be a lot easier
"t> than the eyedropper I wound up using.
I use an empty Elmer's glue bottle. Mix a 50-50 Elmer's + water + a
drop of dish soap. Then I 'dribble' it onto the ground foam. Don't
worry about 'soaking' the foam -- this is normal. The glue seeps down
and dries *clear*. In some contexts I might put a few drops of scenic
pigment in with the glue+water mix.
Don't bother with a sprayer -- glue + sprayer == bad news... Only use
the sprayer with 'wet water' (plain water + a drop of dish soap). Spray
with wet water first -- this lowers surface tension and helps to
*temporarily* 'stick' the ground foam in place. I also have some very fine
foam in a (plastic) baby/body powder container -- I use this to 'spray'
the very fine ground foam on top of the glue soaked ground foam -- helps
to retain a bit a 'texture' after the soaking. I use 'large' chunks of
foam for bushes -- tear off a chunk, apply some 100% Elmer's glue and
stick it down. Dribble some 50-50 Elmer's + water + a drop of dish soap
and 'spray' the very fine ground foam on top.
"t>
"t> Should I give up on the white glue and just go buy the spray adhesive from
"t> woodland scenic?
NO! Elmer's glue is far cheaper! Elmer's glue bottles are *free*.
Another word: don't bother to buy the foam shakers either -- save your
empty spice bottles. They make great *free* shakers. Buy the foam in
the plastic baggies. You can prepare various 'mixes' of colors and
sizes of foam in separate little spice bottles. Different spices have
different sized 'holes': fine power spices (eg onion power, powered
ginger) will have small holes, coarser leafier spices (eg oragano,
basil) will have larger holes. Also that much less trash to haul away.
"t>
"t> --
"t>
"t>
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"t> Curtis Thetford
"t> www.thetford.org
"t>
"t>
"t>
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paint, but that is about the most it will handle. Just go with Johns
formula, it will work fine
Vince Barton
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Steve Magee
<cur...@thetford.nospam.org> wrote:
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>
>2) Several web sites referred to misting on a 50-50 mix of water and glue
>(with a bit of soap) over the top. When I tried this with my $.99 sprayer
>from Wal-Mart, I couldn't get the glue mix to come out in anything other
>than a stream (no matter how I adjusted the nozzle). With water, I can get
>a mix with no problem, although it comes out with enough force to move the
>turf around so I had to point it up and let the mist "rain" on the table.
>Does anyone have any tips on getting this to work? It would be a lot easier
>than the eyedropper I wound up using.
>
>Should I give up on the white glue and just go buy the spray adhesive from
>woodland scenic?
>
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>
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>Curtis Thetford
>www.thetford.org
>
Curtis
I have no prob with using cheapie spray bottles, I dilute the glue 1
part glue, 10 parts water with a few drops of detergent. It's only got
to hold very lightweight ground foam in place and not survive force 12
hurricanes - unless you build your layout outdoors on the E Florida
coast. (The 10:1 mix makes removing the foam for reuse a lot easier,
too!)
Try spraying the mist upwards as well, letting it settle on the foam
like fine rain. For stubborn stickings, like foliage clumps to
vertical surfaces, I use a spray craft adhesive I get from local
"Cheap" shops - about $2US a large spray can.
Steve
Newcastle Oz
Ctyclsscs
misting a light spray of water, as you said, from overhead...then eyedropping
on thinned white glue. If you put a few drops of detergent in the spray water
to make it flow better, the white glue will quickly spread throughout the
whole area that has been pre-wetted. Don't try spraying the glue mixture.
Some folks prefer matte medium instead of white glue, but either way, it's
basically the same procedure.
Jim
The Youngs
use it to hold down a base layer of foam. I bought some 'wrong mix'
(incorrect color- for the previous customer, not me!) at the store an
lay it down a little thick. I add ground foam until I get the effect I
am looking for and glue it down using the previously mentioned methods
as I add more layers of ground foam in essence slightly building up the
ground texture.
Foreget the cheapy sprayers. Use a decent one that can mist. I also use
a squeeze bottle that used to contain contact lense cleaning solution.
It holds more adhesive and can conveniently dispense a drop or drops at
a time in areas where more control is desired.
SandingValve
Trainman
Steve Magee <sjm...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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If you have your heart set on "spray adhesive", go to the drug store and buy
a can of "extra hold" hair spray. For scenery work it holds as well, and
about 1/4 the cost.
Don
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Ron Ditzler
> unmanly) which I applied in the morning in my bath robe after showering. At
> night I smoked my before-bed cigarette in this same robe. As I was lighting
> up one night and struck a match, the robe burst into flames. You may want to
> consider that in using hair spray as an adhesive on your layout.
Ron Ditzler
Steve Caple
> > When I had hair I kept it in neatly in place by using hair spray (how
> > unmanly) which I applied in the morning in my bath robe after showering. At
> > night I smoked my before-bed cigarette in this same robe. As I was lighting
> > up one night and struck a match, the robe burst into flames.
Gosh, I'm going to send a carton of cigarettes and lots of matches and Bics
to my local TV news departments ...
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Steve Caple <steve...@spamworldnet.att.spamnet> wrote in message
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Steve Caple
> Don't forget the bathrobe and hairspray too
Hairspray they've got - it's a job requirement, their brand is on their
resume, they probably took courses in it.
But bathrobe??
Dave VanderYacht
the bottle to dribble the glue mix on. But I use matte medium and use
a bottled water bottle with the little stopper top on. (Don't have
any contact lens solution dispensers around the house) This size
bottle is very handy, can mix a good batch and shake it up easily.
A FIRST STEP no one here has mentioned is to use windshield de-icer
spray. It's a mixture of water and alcohol, ready-to-go, and it does
a superior job of wetting the landscape material. Mist it on right
from the trigger spray bottle it comes in and let it settle in a bit.
Then drip on the glue mix.
DVY (Chief Engineer, Dawdle Vy RR)
On Sun, 24 Mar 2002 00:19:19 -0800, The Youngs <ely...@volcano.net>
wrote:
Edward A. Oates
their spray bottles. Get two spray bottles if you want to fill one with "wet
water" (drop or two of detergent, or 10% alcy and water) to spray first.
Remember: after you are done spraying the matte medium, spray clean water
through the sprayer until it is cleaned. Otherwise, it will clog.
Matte medium is certainly more expensive than glue or the other formulae
mentioned here, but it works.
Ed.
in article 3ca119bd...@netnews.worldnet.att.net, Dave VanderYacht at
dvande...@worldnet.att.net wrote on 3/26/02 5:12 PM:
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Ed Oates
DCC wiring information is at http://www.wiringfordcc.com
cat
VanderYacht) miaoued:
>A FIRST STEP no one here has mentioned is to use windshield de-icer
>spray. It's a mixture of water and alcohol, ready-to-go, and it does
>a superior job of wetting the landscape material.
Does the blue dye in it cause any problems when applied to non
green foam? I would hate to have my yellow grass turn green.
cat
Dave VanderYacht
also when I use blue windshield washer solvent to thin my Ceramcoat
acrylics for doing washes during weathering.
BTW, the stuff I first referred to (windshield de-icer spray) is sold
specifically as that, not as windshield washer solvent. It sold here
in Michigan in a ready-to-go trigger spray bottle. Haven't tried the
washer solvent as a spray-on wetting agent.
Dave