Harassment at Steve's Hobby
LynnM952
response.
<<<Subject: inappropriate behavior by Toledo hobby shop owner...
From: horsesh...@aol.com (HorseshoeCurve)
Date: 6/29/03 12:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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...makes girlfriend cry.
On Friday, I made a 60 mile trip to Sylvania, Ohio in order to get some model
railroad supplies. The staff made totally off-color remarks regarding my
girlfriend's age with a wink and smirk (she is in college), and then approached
her with the statement, "You look like a pumper girl. You might like these
Athearn fire trucks..." (another wink). Both of us found this behavior
incredibly bizarre, offensive, and harassing.
A few minutes after the last comment, I asked both the sales people, "Who is
Steve?" You guessed it...the guy with the smart mouth pipes up, "That's me." I
inquired, "What's going on with the suggestive comments to my girlfriend?" He
replied, sheepishly, "I don't know what you're talking about- I thought we were
playing a little game." I let him know that I'd originally planned on spending
several hundred dollars there, but definitely would not be doing so from this
point forward.
After leaving, my girlfriend asked me, "What was that all about? Who the f**k
does he think he is to be saying that stuff, especially with you right there
with me??!" She burst into tears. Thank you, Steve, for making her cry, and
having me waste a 120-mile round trip drive for nothing.
This is not the first time this type of behavior has been exhibited at that
hobby shop. Several inappropriate comments have been made over the last few
years by the (male) sales staff about my female friends. I totally understand
that the model railroad hobby is 99% male, but these comments quickly force the
few women right out of there.
Totally unacceptable. >>
My advice to you would be to get an attorney, and file a civil action against
the store and the store management as a seperate defendant. you can also file a
hate crime/sexual harassment and assault complaint with the local police
department. At the very least, you will force this moron to have to spend a ton
of money defending himself . At the most, you might end up owning his business
in a settlement. what happened to your girlfriend is not only legitimate
grounds to seek a remedy in the civil courts, it is also prosecutable criminal
behavior. Someone needs to sue this man into bankruptcy. This is one case
where using the court system as a fiscal club to bankrupt someone through legal
costs, is justified. It will cost you very little to file the suit, and nothing
to file the criminal charges.
CBT2000
Give me a break.
Don Cardiff
Model Railroad Design
Kaneville, IL
Steven Lynch
damages have the parties really suffered? Geez, more of the courts time
taken up with another frivolous suit.
Don't spend any more money there, tell others and move on.
Steve Lynch
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Roger T.
"Steven Lynch" <sly...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Yup, that's the solution for boorish behavior.... another law suit. What
> damages have the parties really suffered? Geez, more of the courts time
> taken up with another frivolous suit.
That's the "American" way. :-)
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Rob
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MrRathburne
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Charles Bix
> grounds to seek a remedy in the civil courts, it is also prosecutable criminal
> behavior. Someone needs to sue this man into bankruptcy. This is one case
> where using the court system as a fiscal club to bankrupt someone through legal
> costs, is justified. It will cost you very little to file the suit, and nothing
> to file the criminal charges.
Rodney King was right "Can't we all just get along?"
Seriously though "Just get over it" seems more appropriate. Forget
about it and take your business elsewhere. Enjoy the 4th - see a
fireworks show.
These are the kinds of conversations that make the Taliban hate us :-)
CBix
Corelane
Do the manly thing and challenge him to a duel at sundown, out by the OK
Corral.
Jim Stanton
> This would be a tough lawsuit to pursue.
This would be a stupid lawsuit to pursue and it would not and will not
ever go further than here on this newsgroup.
Jim Stanton
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>My advice to you would be to get an attorney, and file a civil action against
>the store and the store management as a seperate defendant. you can also file a
>hate crime/sexual harassment and assault complaint with the local police
>department.
You're not a lawyer, are you? Nobody was harassed, they were
insulted. And that ain't against the law...
Jeff Sc.
Annoyed, Ga.
Froggy
>This would be a tough lawsuit to pursue.
If not downright impossible.
Why are we going on so about this incident?
I read the original posting and thought it sounded like something out of "Legally
Blonde", or a Monty Python skit.
I asked my self if I even believed it.
Then I wondered, even if it were true, why anyone would post it here.
It's not that I don't care.
It's.............well.............
it's not my problem if the one guy is a troll
and the other is a crybaby.
....................F>
PC is a disease.
Mark Mathu
> My advice to you would be to get an attorney, ...
Stupid advice.
Froggy
Stupid thread.
Stupid ME for reading it...........F>
I am going back out to the workshop where I am painting a NEW HAVEN boxcar.
Pre-McGinnis, of course.
.................F>
Bo Holmqvist
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'Captain' Kirk DeHaan
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>Why didn't you ask him to apologize?
Or have him step out back of the store.
>
>
>BR
>Bo Holmqvist
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>To contact me: Reply to this - correct the adress using this info:
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Kirk
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"'Captain' Kirk DeHaan" <captkirk...@sandpoint.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 10:24:21 +0200, "Bo Holmqvist"
> <llo...@soundimage.dk> wrote:
>
> >Why didn't you ask him to apologize?
>
> Or have him step out back of the store.
And that would prove what?
Who was stronger? Not necessarially right.
Steve Watson
JCunington
>
It's cheaper than sending Alonzo and Guido to break his legs. <G>
Because there are laws against that sort of behavior. And the way the laws are
structured in this country, you can sue anybody for anything in tort law.
Remember: It's the lawyers who wrote the laws. One of their major interests in
tort legislation is keeping lawyers like themselves employed.
You also need to realize that America graduated HUGE numbers of law students in
the 80s. We have WAYYYYY too many. Can we send a few your way?
Jay
Modeling the North Shore & North Western
C&NW/CNS&M in 1940-1955
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Thanks for your understanding.
JCunington
>
I agree. Not enough witnesses, double-entendres. No real economic loss. Hurt
feelings to be sure. Not clear-cut enough for a jury in my mind.
Spread the word and avoid the place like the plague.
JCunington
>
>> My advice to you would be to get an attorney, ...
>Mathu wrote:
>Stupid advice.
Not from the lawyer's point of view. Billable hours...
Rob
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Hzakas
>the store and the store management as a seperate defendant. you can also
>file a
>hate crime/sexual harassment and assault complaint with the local police
>department. At the very least, you will force this moron to have to spend
>a ton
>of money defending himself . At the most, you might end up owning his business
>in a settlement. what happened to your girlfriend is not only legitimate
>grounds to seek a remedy in the civil courts, it is also prosecutable criminal
>behavior. Someone needs to sue this man into bankruptcy. This is one case
>where using the court system as a fiscal club to bankrupt someone through
>legal
>costs, is justified. It will cost you very little to file the suit, and
>nothing
>to file the criminal charges.
I'm generally with LynnM on this one, as stated by the phrase, "it is also
prosecutable criminal behavior" (meaning the harassment part). However, I
disagree with the sentiment that "Someone needs to sue this man into
bankruptcy," which sounds like one is pursuing a vendetta. However, I DO agree
with the civil component of a legal action.
Dieter Zakas
Respect, NJ
Sean S
>I'm generally with LynnM on this one, as stated by the phrase, "it is also
>prosecutable criminal behavior" (meaning the harassment part).
Last I checked, simply offending someone with boorish behavior hasn't yet been
deemed a violation of their civil rights. Folks really need to read up on how
harassment is defined legally in Ohio before encouraging someone to file what
appears to be a weak lawsuit. Some states require there to be repeated
behavior for a crime to have been committed. It might be more wise to leave
opinions on whether crimes were committed up to folks licensed to practice law
in the state of Ohio, and not to Internet legal novices.
Quite frankly, I think the idea of suing over an incident such as this is just
plain idiotic. I'd simply take my business elsewhere. If I were to consider
legal action over someone else exersising their constitutional right to be a
moron, I'd have to question my own intelligence, and if I should get a grip by
growing a thicker skin...
DBoyd001
Ohio. Am I missing something?
Dave
o n e @none.com o u t e n d
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Other than they aren't online?
Actual location is 5834 Monroe in Sylvania.
MrRathburne
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Jim Stanton
> > Someone needs to sue this man into bankruptcy.
>
>
> Do the manly thing and challenge him to a duel at sundown, out by the OK
> Corral.
LOL
JCS
Charles Bix
> Someone needs to sue this man into bankruptcy.
Or even worse make him read the entire "Toronto Convention - Update
from the organisers" thread.
...no wait, being sued into bankruptcy might be more humane.
CBix
John Obert
Dupage Illinios show.He also runs the largest show in northwest Ohio at
Christmas time.
I have known him for 15 plus year and he is even cruder than what you say.
You would hate to hear him referring to his employees and other dealers
before shows.
I never bought much but stop totally about 10 years after he refer to a lady
working for him a lazy bitch because she was slow putting up his display.
Interestingly I know because I have helped dealers on the road at times that
some of his employees buy from the competitors because they get better
prices
I regret he said something that hurt your lady friends feeling.
However you said you have been there before and he has acted in a similar
manner.
Why did you think he would change?
STEAM GENE
Duels are fought at dawn.
Gunfights are fought at high noon.
Drinks are downed at sunset.
Ma Louisiana grandmama would be proud of me making these gentlemanly
corrections.
"Dawn, suh. Pistols for two. Coffee for one."
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