molten sulfer
hocaboose
Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
John H Binley
I believe it's used in making fertilizer. We ship unit
tank-trains of molten sulphur from Alberta to Florida and Georgia for Simplot.
John
In article <#bjqPjZ29GA.207@upnetnews03>, "hocaboose"
TOM
sulfur is kept hot during shipment or does the word molten have a
different meaning associated with sulfur?
Remember, the three hardest words for a man to say:
"I don't know." :>))
<><><> TOM <><><>
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Hudson Leighton
> This is a really dumb question, but here goes: Does "Molten" mean the
> sulfur is kept hot during shipment or does the word molten have a
> different meaning associated with sulfur?
>
> Remember, the three hardest words for a man to say:
> "I don't know." :>))
>
> <><><> TOM <><><>
> -----------------
The sulfur is heated to a liquid form for loading into insulated tank cars,
then the partially liquid sulfur is reheated for unloading as liquid.
roger traviss
: I believe it's used in making fertilizer. We ship unit
: tank-trains of molten sulphur from Alberta to Florida and Georgia for Simplot.
However, once it crosses the international boundry, it goes becomes 'ph'
balanced and transforms itself in "Sulfer". :-)
Cheers,
Roger Traviss
From sunny Victoria, BC Canada
JerAlbin
TOM
Ya'll want them eggs over easy, or stick to the backsplash?
Every time I smell a catalytic converter (Don't you even THINK it) I get
hungry... Mmmm, eggs for breakfast... 'Course, my brother and I gathered
the eggs so fast they didn't have a chance to get "gassy."... About the
middle of Sept., we'd hide a couple away each day... Gotta be ready for
Halloween... I could get away with some of that because my birthday is
Oct. 31... BOO!!! ( HEY, I heard some hiss's out there too) I'll let it
go this time because it's your birthday... But next time... "Pow, To the
moon!"
<><><> TOM <><><>
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john a dalton
>This is a really dumb question, but here goes: Does "Molten" mean the
>sulfur is kept hot during shipment or does the word molten have a
>different meaning associated with sulfur?
>
>Remember, the three hardest words for a man to say:
>"I don't know." :>))
>
><><><> TOM <><><>
...Tom...we used to watch them loading the sulfur cars in Southeast
Texas, below Houston...what a messy job !!!...and the sulfur cars are
black with great splashes of yellow all around...what an industry to
model !!!...you could take black undec tank cars and splash'em up with
some medium yellow...have a little switcher drag'em around... :))
...man, i LOVE this hobby...
...big john... :))
Benjamin Barby
TOM wrote in message <35F2BE51...@funtv.com>...
>Remember, the three hardest words for a man to say:
>"I don't know." :>))
Hey, it's not that hard!
You don't know.
See, easy! :-)
Benji
I wasn't pickin' on him! He asked for it! :-)
Alan Gilchrist
was saying something about molten sulfer...
>While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked "Molten
>Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
Model Rocket Fuel....
Alan (remove ".NSPM" before replying via EMail)
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TOM
him... NA, na, na...Benji is a baby... Benji is a... Ouch, that hurts.
:<))
A friend of mine had a problem with mixing up letters and numbers, when
he was young... He said he got in trouble at school because he would
recite: "Old McDonald had a farm, 3-1-3-1-Q." Teacher called his folks,
thought he was being a brat. Now we know it's a real problem that, in
many cases, can be compensated for if not "cured."
His folks worked with him every evening to correct it. Today it costs
thousands for the experts to do the same thing. I'm not knocking the
experts because every case is different. And I have to admit, I have a
son who is a success now because of those experts. His mom and I felt
completely useless. Not a good feeling, especially when it's one of your
children.
<><><> TOM <><><>
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TOM
can find the prototype? I know, Andy H. probably has it on his site...
Hot dang, we're cookin' with Crisco now! :>))
<><><> TOM <><><>
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Alan Arthur
remelted when necessary. When it spills it cools quickly but is brittle
and can be broken up and shoveled back into the pit again.
TOM
<><><> TOM <><><>
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Benjamin Barby
the configuration?
Benji
Just wondering :-)
TOM wrote in message <35F34E3F...@funtv.com>...
Greg Kelley
cars are insulated too.
TOM <tom...@funtv.com> wrote in article <35F34E3F...@funtv.com>...
A.J.Kleipass
hocaboose wrote in message <#bjqPjZ29GA.207@upnetnews03>...
>While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked "Molten
>Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
>
>
The best and brightest have answered this question, and yet none came up
with the most obvious answer ...
You use a carload or 2 when you want to raise a BIG STINK over something.
:^Þ
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How long ago a flag fell will not matter so long as there are railfans and
modelers to pick it up again and hand it off to the next generation.
Peter Berghs
liquid in the cars will stay liquid for a very long time.
When market prices are low we pour sulfur in large thin man
made ponds to store it. The layers are kept about 3 to 4
inches in depth so that it will solidify before another
layer is poured. If thick layers are poured a hard outer
layer is formed but there is still liquid underneath. When
working on the block all workers have to wear chemical
resistant rubber boots with the pant cuffs tucked in and the
top of the boot taped tightly to the pant leg. This guards
against getting a boot full of sulfer if you break through
into a hot spot. At the gas plant I worked at the main
block was 1 X .25 mile in area and 40 to 60 feet in height.
Its been partially remelted since then and is now only half
as big though they continue to pour occasionally. About 99%
of the sulfer is shipped out as slated product in Sultran
gons.
JerAlbin
pipe is layed out in a serpentine pattern and welded together with butt
joints. Tube turns are used to make the 180 deg. turns.
Alan Gilchrist
something about Re: molten sulfer...
>You mean they use tank cars for rocket fuel? Wow, do you know where I
>can find the prototype? I know, Andy H. probably has it on his site...
>Hot dang, we're cookin' with Crisco now! :>))
Model rocket folks used to melt sulfer and mix some other item (zinc ?) with
it and pour it down inside the body of a model rocket, it would be ignited
with a hot wire.
This was before they came out with the commercial rocket engines that you
can buy in hobby shops.
Alan (remove ".NSPM" before replying via EMail)
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*****************Dang*Tribbles******************
John H Binley
And in another interesting transformation, the minute it crosses into
the US, it becomes a regulated (hazardous) commodity, with placards, emergency
phone numbers and all the rest of the bureaucratic nightmare. But not in
Canada.
Intersting.
John
In article <6suiq2$22m$2...@news.islandnet.com>, roge...@islandnet.com (roger
John H Binley
Let me guess, you either work at Rockyview, E. Crossfield, Caroline or
Pecten in Alberta....?
Now there's an industry to model; a plant where sulphur dioxide gases
from a petroleum complex are turned into sulphur and either shipped out
as bulk in unit trains (110 cars per) or in tanks as in the start of this
thread.
John
In article <35F379AD...@home.com>, Peter Berghs <pbe...@home.com>
wrote:
John H Binley
ARRGGHH!!
May you be sentenced in your next life to be a railroad car
checker and forced to walk the length of 3 unit trains, writing down all the
data markings, breathing deeply!.
After just one of those trains, I didn't want to even think about eggs
for a month!
John
In article <6svroj$272$1...@camel19.mindspring.com>, "A.J.Kleipass"
Peter Berghs
Sulfer Handling facility is modelable as it is located below
the main plant in a draw. The main plant and only a small
porrtion of the block is visible from the quiet side of the
loadout yard. Main items to model would be the holding
tanks, Slater building, Priller, Loadout bin , Liquid
loading racks, Conveyor, and Engine house. When I was there
we used two Alco Centuries for loading but the crews
prefered to use the CN locos as the cruise controls were
better. Before the Centuries an RS-3 nick-named "Snort" was
used + a 44-tonner.
Now if you really wanted to make traffic for your model
railroad add a petroleum coke loadout to the facility. Coke
cars would be loaded at a rate of 8-10 days until a complete
unit train of about 100 cars is achieved. The sulfer unit
train would arrive as a block and be loaded in units of 25
or more. When the facility is cranked up two or three unit
trains a week could be generated. Then throw in the odd
block of 25 or 30 liquid cars to mess up the schedule.
Peter Berghs
TOM
CAUTION: Beware of flatulence!
<><><> TOM <><><>
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john a dalton
>In Canada they mix it with molasses and consume it as a cure-all. :>))
>
>CAUTION: Beware of flatulence!
>
><><><> TOM <><><>
...all lenses have a little curve to them...
...forgive me...
TOM
Big John Dalton. :>))
<><><> TOM <><><>
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netnews.worldnet.att.net
> ARRGGHH!!
>
> May you be sentenced in your next life to be a railroad
car
> checker and forced to walk the length of 3 unit trains, writing down all
the
> data markings, breathing deeply!.
> After just one of those trains, I didn't want to even think about eggs
> for a month!
Try walking the length of a livestock train. Then you'll PRAY for sulfer.
Andrew Harmantas, breathng deeply the salt air of Newport News
Ed Letain
<owin...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>hocaboose wrote in message <#bjqPjZ29GA.207@upnetnews03>...
>>While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked "Molten
>>Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>
>The best and brightest have answered this question, and yet none came up
>with the most obvious answer ...
>
>You use a carload or 2 when you want to raise a BIG STINK over something.
>:^Þ
>
I used to be car checker in CN's Calder Yard (as it was called then)
in Edmonton. You could always tell when the train came in off the
Sangudo Sub from the plant at Kaybob loaded with molten sulphur. And
you hoped it would yard in the other guys territory !
bu...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu
> While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked "Molten
> Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
>
state that is shipped in. Seems to me that this process is or was used at
the mine site in Texas and was shipped by the former SF.
Hope this helps.
Jim Budde
KSF&P RR
AREdgar
Relative to RR industries here's some ideas from research during grad school
some years ago. Sulfur is a significant by-product of oil refining - I think I
remember 4-7% of crude by volume. It is either stockpiled in huge piles near
the refinery or shipped by heated railcar to end users - fertilizer and
chemical producers mostly. I was mostly interested in its properties for
building construction however. In Canada it was tested as a replacement for
concrete in precast blocks, sprayed-on surface sealant and poured-in-place
construction. For specific uses, it had properties that exceeded portland
cement-based concrete by almost every measure. It only smelled bad when
burning (it won't sustain combustion on it's own). At one time, some
commercial interests were investigating the idea of setting up ready-mix plants
with heated delivery trucks and/or attached to pre-casting facilities.
Bunches of ideas there especially for the freelancers.
-- ARE --
John H Binley
I know what you mean. As a checker, one of the few laughs I'd get was
watching the guys from the Car Department having to get in real close to
inspect the journals on a stock car to see if they needed more oil. Ever see
someone try to lean close from a distance? Talk about contortionists!
John
In article <022df836$d56f50c0$b492440c@oemcomputer>,
ClaimsBoss
:>))
>
>CAUTION: Beware of flatulence!
I always thought that was a fat wife!
Claimsboss:
Merrimack, Souhegan and Southern New Hampshire R.R.
mou...@gainv.mindspring.com
>On Mon, 7 Sep 1998 01:41:38 -0400, "A.J.Kleipass"
><owin...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>hocaboose wrote in message <#bjqPjZ29GA.207@upnetnews03>...
>>>While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked "Molten
>>>Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used for? Thanks in advance.
>>>
I don't know where in FL you were, but a large amount used to get
exported by sea from Tampa. And, yes it is a by-product of petroleum
refining (although it's left in some lubricant stocks to enhance
additive compatibility) Where it went fro the refinery (or the Tampa
docks) I don't know, but I remember that disposing (Management's term
was "marketing") of sulfur from the refineries posed a problem.
R.
toco...@avici.com
> While on a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars
> marked "Molten Sulfer". Anyone know what this product is used
> for? Thanks in advance.
About 90% of sulfur is consumed in the form of sulfuric acid.
61% of all sulfur is used to make agricultural chemicals (mostly
fertilizer). Other chemicals use about 10%, petroleum refining
consumes 7%, metal mining uses 5%, and other uses consume 17%.
(One use was kraft - brown - paper, but I don't know how much
acid is still used in the paper business.) The percentages I
gave are for 1994. U.S. consumption averaged 12.5 million tons
per year for 1990-1994. World reserves of concentrated sulfur
are 5 billion tons, while another 600 billion tons are found
in petroleum, coal and other deposits.
Tim O'Connor
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Pat Lawless
If you live in a cold climate, you should bet someone $100 that you
can cast a footprint in the snow with hot liquid. What you do is melt
some sulphur over a camp stove until it is completely molten (liquid).
Then sit the pot in the snow a few feet away from a nice, crisp boot
print, into which you've created a pouring channel from one end.
Continually stir the sulpur until you see crystals starting to form on
the top of the liquid. At this point, the sulphur is at the
temperature where it wants to solidify again. You then smoothly and
quickly pour the sulphur down the chute and onto the foot print. When
it comes into contact with the cold snow, it solidifies instantly in a
thin layer. It will then melt the footprint, but the sulphur will
have already recorded the detail.. Cool, eh? I learned this at the
Ontario Police College. I bet the locals thought we'd all gone mad,
hunched over in the snow with coleman stoves. I can just here some
old farmer going by, saying "They call that camping out?! For cripes
sake, they're 50 feet from the dormitory!"
Pat
On Tue, 08 Sep 1998 15:07:36 -0400, ro...@127.0.0.1 (Carl Gustafson)
wrote:
>In article <199809081727...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
>are...@aol.com (AREdgar) wrote:
>
>> >Anyone know what this product is used for?
>>
>> Relative to RR industries here's some ideas from research during grad school
>> some years ago. Sulfur is a significant by-product of oil refining - I
>think I
>> remember 4-7% of crude by volume.
>
>The amount of sulfur in petroleum depends on the source - some crudes are
>very high in sulfur, some quite low.
>
>Anyway, it is used in:
>
>Rubber production, to cross-link (vulcanization, if you will) the rubber
>to produce a more durable compound.
>
>Sulfuric acid/oleum/sulfur trioxide production. Used in the production of
>detergents, dye stuffs, phosphoric acid (fertilizer grade, at least),
>gypsum (if the gypsum isn't mined, I'm not up on that), pharmaceuticals,
>other chemicals both bulk and fine.
>
>Metal refining, I believe.
>
>In addition to being shipped molten in tank cars, it is also shipped on
>barges. It is a huge commodity.
>
>--
>
>Carl Gustafson, Honarary Okie
>
>Computer Vision Center for Vertebrate Brain Mapping, Drexel University
>
>Speaking for my self, since Drexel doesn't listen to me.
>(the domain is drexel in edu, the mail host is ece, the account is carl.gustafson)
>
TOM
paper clips.
Any guesses what the other 90 are used for?
Oh, no, he's slipped the "Surley bonds" again. :>)) Betcha don't know
what "Surley Bonds" comes from.
<><><> TOM <><><>
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Ed Letain
>Oh, no, he's slipped the "Surley bonds" again. :>)) Betcha don't know
>what "Surley Bonds" comes from.
>
Betcha I do know what "Surley Bonds" comes from.
It's "slipped the surley bonds of earth" and refers to a fighter
pilot. Specifically they are words from a poem (I think "High Flight"
is the title) written by a Canadian RCAF pilot serving with the RAF
during the 'Battle of Britain". He was KIA shortly afterwards.
TOM
Go to the head of the class!
Now this is even more trivial than Star Trek. :>))
I posted the poem elsewhere.
<><><> TOM <><><>
----------------
D Holliday
(say that three times, real fast).
D. <Big G>
TOM
Or were you looking for "That three times, real fast." :>))
<><><> TOM <><><>
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Fred Dabney
thread, but I've come to expect pee-poor service from this account.
Having grumped that, shouldn't that be "Surly" as in ill-tempered?
BTW- yes, it's from "High Flight". One of our station engineers had a print
of it in his office, and a local station had someone reading it for a sign
off.
Fred D.
Clay Dulaney
bu...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu wrote in message
<1998Sep...@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>...>> While onn a recent trip to Fla., I saw some modern tank cars marked
"Molten
>> Sulfer".
Elemental Sulfer has a low melting point, and therefor is easily handled as
a liquid (similar to asphalt that is melted with steam to load tanks). As
MR this month mentions, sulfer is used in the papermaking industry, as a
fertilizer addative, and in numerous other industrial processes.
Clay from the soon to be reborn Boondoggle 'N Offschedule RR