Freight Colors for Rio Grande
martin_goller
paint shemes for DRGW standard gauge freight cars?
I am especially interested in
Caboose
PS-hoppers
Boxcars
Coal hoppers as used on the Craig branch
Thanks a lot
Martin Goller
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Ed Dorroh
> Is there a reference book out there that shows the development of the
> paint shemes for DRGW standard gauge freight cars?
I would start with *Narrow Gauge Data Book* by Robert Sloan. I know you
said standard gauge, but I don't personally know if they had a different
color scheme between gauges (I would doubt it).
> I am especially interested in
>
> Caboose
quote *indian red with white lettering, handrails and steps to 1920.
Boxcar red after 1920, otherwise same as above.*
> PS-hoppers
> Boxcars
Quote *D&RG to 1920, all freight cars - Princess Mineral Borwn with white
lettering and black iron parts. D&RGW 1921 on Gondolas, boxcars and flats
- boxcar red, whicte lettering, stock cars - black with white lettering.*
> Coal hoppers as used on the Craig branch
No specific mention of the Craig branch
>
Hope this helps. Ed
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Dave Nelson
|> Is there a reference book out there that shows the development of the
|> paint shemes for DRGW standard gauge freight cars?
|> Coal hoppers as used on the Craig branch
I've seen a color photo or two dating from the early 50's that shows
D&RGW coal gondolas in black with white lettering. As the same
scheme is found today I'd guess it's right for the intervening years.
What era are you modelling?
Dave Nelson
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martin_goller
>In article <4g22a6$l...@bison.alfred.edu>, Martin Goller wrote:
>> Is there a reference book out there that shows the development of the
>> paint shemes for DRGW standard gauge freight cars?
>I would start with *Narrow Gauge Data Book* by Robert Sloan. I know you
>said standard gauge, but I don't personally know if they had a different
>color scheme between gauges (I would doubt it).
>> I am especially interested in
>>
>> Caboose
>quote *indian red with white lettering, handrails and steps to 1920.
>Boxcar red after 1920, otherwise same as above.*
>> PS-hoppers
>> Boxcars
>Quote *D&RG to 1920, all freight cars - Princess Mineral Borwn with white
>lettering and black iron parts. D&RGW 1921 on Gondolas, boxcars and flats
>- boxcar red, whicte lettering, stock cars - black with white lettering.*
>> Coal hoppers as used on the Craig branch
>No specific mention of the Craig branch
>>
>Hope this helps. Ed
<snip>
Thanks for the info.
As far as I know, the DRGW introduced a black paint scheme with the
steel cabooses. But I don't know when or if wood cabooses got that
scheme to. Later we had the gold schemes and the last (?) the orange
scheme. But again, this is only vague information from pictures.
With box cars: Box car red. How long? What types? The orange scheme?
The cookie box cars were mentioned in an earlier mail, and I got a lot
of information on the 40ft. box cars.
The Craig branch is of interest for me because it was the site of a
GREAT vacation in Colorado with LOTS of coal trains..... :-)
Thanks for any further infos,
Martin Goller
Goll...@bigvax.alfred.edu
Tim O'Connor
> With box cars: Box car red. How long? What types? The orange scheme?
> The cookie box cars were mentioned in an earlier mail, and I got a
> lot of information on the 40ft. box cars.
Many boxcars were painted in the yellow/silver "passenger" scheme in
the 1950's and 1960's. I believe only 50 foot and possibly 60 ft cars
received this scheme. Boxcar red lasted long enough so that some cars
received the giant Rio Grande lettering ... sorry I don't have a date
for the beginning of that practice. All I see nowadays are orange
boxcars, mostly insulated 50 ft and 60 ft cars with a very occasional
50 ft double door car (the "Woodpacker" scheme).
> The Craig branch is of interest for me because it was the site of a
> GREAT vacation in Colorado with LOTS of coal trains..... :-)
The branch was famous for stock trains too. There was an article in
Trains back in the mid-(late?) 70's, I think, that covered "the last
stockcar train on the Rio Grande". The trains were an annual event,
when huge numbers of sheep were moved before the onset of winter.
The article showed an impressively long train, made up entirely of
yellow and silver Union Pacific stockcars.
Tim "how do you model stockcar aroma?" O'Connor
Dave Nelson
>Martin Goller wrote:
>
>> The Craig branch is of interest for me because it was the site of a
>> GREAT vacation in Colorado with LOTS of coal trains..... :-)
>
>The branch was famous for stock trains too.
For the record, in 1956 the Craig branch originated 750k tons of lading,
of which 534k tons were coal, 114k other minerals, 39k tons of lumber, 27k
wheat, 14k tons of pulpwood, and 16k tons of livestock. Terminating ladings
totalled only 34k tons of all cargos. A rough idea of carloadings can be
made by dividing these figures by tons/car (for which 63, 66, 31, 54, 43,
and 9, respectively would reflect the ICC's own estimates of lading tons
per car for these commodities).
About half the coal tonnage terminated in Denver, the rest moving eastward.
All the wheat terminated in Denver.
I have similar data from the D&SL just prior to its merger into the Rio
Grande but it's not handy at the momment.
>
>Tim "how do you model stockcar aroma?" O'Connor
>
I gotta ask: The various qualities of the aroma or how to scale it's pungency
down to 1/87th?
And Tim, I assume you are asking about the S.P. "flavors" and not just
generic bull****. Right? 8-)
Dave Nelson
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Garth G. Groff
One of the photos I studied in MODEL RAILROADING's article
on the 12-panel boxcars was a car painted in the yellow/
orange/black stripe paint scheme circa 1958. The cutline
suggested (without citing any evidence) that it was probably
repainted to the original BCR/Flying Rio Grande scheme in
the 1960s.
~S
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"Not yet famous author"
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Dave Nelson
others wrote:
|> >quote *indian red
|> >Boxcar red after 1920,
|> >Princess Mineral Brown
Martin writes:
|> With box cars: Box car red. How long? What types?
This is always frustrating to me: what color brown is that really?
I would like to know 'cus I like to paint undec'd freight cars.
Ed Dorroh
Nelson ) wrote:
> In article <4ge3hp$l...@bison.alfred.edu>, Martin Goller writes:
>
> others wrote:
> |> >quote *indian red
> |> >Boxcar red after 1920,
> |> >Princess Mineral Brown
>
> Martin writes:
> |> With box cars: Box car red. How long? What types?
>
>
> This is always frustrating to me: what color brown is that really?
> I would like to know 'cus I like to paint undec'd freight cars.
According to Robert Sloan's book, *Priincess* Mineral Brown is 2 parts
Floquil Boxcar Red to 1 part Roof Brown. Indian Red is 1 part Floquil
Caboose Red to 1 part Boxcar Red. Tuscan Red is 2 parts Floquil Tuscan
Red to 1 Part Caboose Red.