HO Passenger Cars-IHC/Rivarossi
Tom Rehberg
Would someone who really knows please advise us anxious (currently
homeless!)passenger car freaks just exactly when we may hope to see
1930's and 1940's series IHC/Rivarossi cars again. I understand there
was a tooling/distribution dispute but surely one of these two suppliers
does intend to keep supplying???
Thanx from Anaheim
F. DABNEY
Tom Rehberg (#treh...@popd.ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Would someone who really knows please advise us anxious (currently
The Rivarossi are distributed by one company, but the IHC are Slovenian
clones from Mehano, not Rivarossi. AHM, the predecessor to IHC first had
the R/R cars but when AHM went under they were taken over by another
firm. Perhaps the clones are subject to a design license dispute?
Fred D.
Watching the action from BNSF MP 1112, El Paso sub
Adam Mitchell Eyring
> Would someone who really knows please advise us anxious (currently
> homeless!)passenger car freaks just exactly when we may hope to see
> 1930's and 1940's series IHC/Rivarossi cars again. I understand there
> was a tooling/distribution dispute but surely one of these two suppliers
> does intend to keep supplying???
>
Give a call to Antique Barn and Hobby Shop of Wilson, NC. Listed in
model railroading mags. They have shelves full of these cars, including
large packs for each roadname and containing eight different styles
of passenger cars.
Adam
Tom Rehberg
Thank you,Adam-I'll give them a try. Tom.
Andy Harman
fda...@nmsu.edu (F. DABNEY) wrote:
>The Rivarossi are distributed by one company, but the IHC are Slovenian
>clones from Mehano, not Rivarossi. AHM, the predecessor to IHC first had
>the R/R cars but when AHM went under they were taken over by another
>firm. Perhaps the clones are subject to a design license dispute?
Actually IHC and AHM are the same guy, at least the original AHM which
imported Rivarossi stuff during the 60's and 70's. I think there was
a spinoff called "AHM" in the late 70's that used the Yugoslavian
stuff.
Also (stop me if you've heard this one before) only one of Rivarossi's
"1930" series prototype cars was actually built during that decade.
Can you name it? :)
Andy
Andy Miller
In both the 1930 and the 1940 series, the duplex sleepers were built in
the thirties. The heavywieght was a rebuild from a 12-1 (I think). It
was an odball car and only 2 were ever made ("Eventide", and "Nocture").
The streamlined car is a 1938 Pullman product, a 12-5 (Brook series on the
PRR), not to be confused with the postwar (1940s) 12-4s (Creek series)
which ran on the Broadway Ltd.
Andy Miller
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John Cooley
Does anybody know the prototypes for the 1940 series? They look like Budd
cars, but the full-length letterboard isn't standard Budd. Any ideas?
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Tim O'Connor
fda...@nmsu.edu (F. DABNEY) wrote:
> Tom Rehberg (#treh...@popd.ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> : Would someone who really knows please advise us anxious (currently
> : homeless!)passenger car freaks just exactly when we may hope to see
> : 1930's and 1940's series IHC/Rivarossi cars again.
Quite a few of the heavyweight cars show "in stock" on the Walthers Web
site, under vendor IHC. A few lightweight cars show up under Rivarossi.
Plus, I see these for sale all the time at train shows and hobby shops.
Andy Miller
In article <50karr$q...@lastactionhero.rs.itd.umich.edu>, John Cooley
<bro...@umich.edu> wrote:
> Does anybody know the prototypes for the 1940 series? They look like Budd
> cars, but the full-length letterboard isn't standard Budd. Any ideas?
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The pattern is Budd. Budd evolved several patterns during it passenger
cars building days. This one was used on the PRR Congressional/Senator,
several UP sleepers, and all of the CP cars. There may have been others
Peter King
Bernie Paul, the guy who runs IHC, has also owned AHM, General Hobbies,
and some other predecessor company, the name of which escapes me. He even
did business as Rivarossi USA for a short while.
I have never been able to figure out who REALLY owns the passenger cars,
or if the Mehano produced cars are the real thing, or clones.
BTW, lack of availability doesn't mean that there's a problem. Many IHC
products are known to go dormant for long periods, sometimes before
they're even released! IHC has an extensive product line, and they could
never keep all of it in stock. (Of course, it would be nice if they
stocked what they advertised!)
Peter King in NY
Bob Plaehn
John Cooley wrote:
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> Does anybody know the prototypes for the 1940 series? They look like Budd
> cars, but the full-length letterboard isn't standard Budd. Any ideas?
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The cars ARE Budd prototypes and I do believe the coach, diner and 10/6
are NYC window layouts. I don't know about the obs. however.
F. DABNEY
Peter King (BGX...@prodigy.com) wrote:
: Bernie Paul, the guy who runs IHC, has also owned AHM, General Hobbies,
: did business as Rivarossi USA for a short while.
: I have never been able to figure out who REALLY owns the passenger cars,
: or if the Mehano produced cars are the real thing, or clones.
One of the guys in the club bought some dome cars in two tone grey UP
paint he handed me to put couplers on. The proved to be Mehano/IHC and
were very much Mehano clones. There were a number of touches such as
parts that didn't fit the same way, and a different, softer and thicker
plastic for the sides.
In most respects, if Kato has a European cousin, Rivarossi at its best is
it. On the other hand, R/R drives have always been too complicated yet
not very good. Mehano, at least for the US prototype equipment I have
seen is closer to Bachmann. Frequently fairly nice, often well thought
out but not nearly as well executed as, say Athearn.
Hold one of the IHC/Mehano passenger cars in one hand, an AHM/Rivarossi
in the other. Study them. It won't take long to be able to tell them
apart without looking for the maker's logo.
On the layout, they still look good.
Andy Harman
asmi...@mitre.org (Andy Miller) wrote:
>In both the 1930 and the 1940 series, the duplex sleepers were built in
>the thirties.
Actually Rivarossi has always refered to the heavyweights as "1920"
cars and the smoothsides as "1930" cars even though the bulk of them
are 40's and the UP baggage, diner, and dome are 50's.
>was an odball car and only 2 were ever made ("Eventide", and "Nocture").
There seems to be some dispute as to who owned and operated these
cars. Were they Pullman fleet? PRR? or Pullman in PRR service?
Very strange beasts. So many passenger car models had few real life
examples... Also the E&B Valley/Eastern Car Works "diner" is really an
NYC kitchen-lounge car that there were only four of, and they were
intended to be coupled to full-length, all-table dining cars. There
were also four kitchen-dorms in the same series, which are neat
looking cars... I kitbashed one from the E&B kit some years ago, and
also the full-length matching diner.
>The streamlined car is a 1938 Pullman product, a 12-5 (Brook series on the
>PRR), not to be confused with the postwar (1940s) 12-4s (Creek series)
>which ran on the Broadway Ltd.
This is of course the answer I was looking for although I was hoping
someone besides you would take a crack at it (spoiler you!)
Andy ;)
Andy Harman
Bob Plaehn <bpl...@discover-net.net> wrote:
>The cars ARE Budd prototypes and I do believe the coach, diner and 10/6
>are NYC window layouts. I don't know about the obs. however.
I'm not ruling it out... but I have yet to find a photo of ANY coach
that matches the Rivarossi. The NYC coaches I have seen have a pretty
distinctive set of paired windows for the restrooms... I have been
told that the coach is a southeastern prototype - SAL, ACL, FEC, or
RF&P... but my Budd Treasury book does not come up with a match
either. You are correct on the sleeper and diner (sleeper is also
correct for some others). The observation is a coach-obs that was
part of the Reading Crusader push-pull 5-car train. It had an
observation car at both ends, coaches, and a diner/lounge in the
middle. The tender of the streamlined Hudson(?) that was designed for
it had a strange shroud that partly overhung the round-end obs.
And of course, the letterboard fluting is incorrect for all the cars;
and of the originals only the obs and perhaps the coach carried full
skirting.
Andy
Andy Harman
John Cooley <bro...@umich.edu> wrote:
>Does anybody know the prototypes for the 1940 series? They look like Budd
>cars, but the full-length letterboard isn't standard Budd. Any ideas?
Rivarossi chose their window arrangement from four distinct
prototypes: the coach is, I believe, an RF&P window arrangement. The
sleeper is identical to NYC "Valley" series 10-6's and several others,
right down to placement of the hallway windows. The diner is an NYC
480-series I believe, and the Observation is from the Reading
Crusader. Of these four cars, I believe only the Crusader was built
with the full skirting that is on all of the Rivarossi models. And
the full, UP-style letterboard is just simply a mistake... all four of
these prototypes had upper fluting and standard letterboards. The
Rivarossi folks chose four mismatched prototypes and then matched them
up by giving them inappropriate letterboards and fluting.
Gorgeous, plausible cars... but no prototype!!
Andy
Tom Madden
Andy Harman (aha...@one.net) wrote:
: asmi...@mitre.org (Andy Miller) wrote:
: >was an odball car and only 2 were ever made ("Eventide", and "Nocture").
: There seems to be some dispute as to who owned and operated these
: cars. Were they Pullman fleet? PRR? or Pullman in PRR service?
: Very strange beasts.
Pullman's LIST OF STANDARD AND TOURIST CARS #35, November 15, 1950, lists
both Eventide and Nocturne as owned by the PRR. By that time much of the
Pullman fleet had been transferred to railroad ownership, but that's the
oldest (and best) data I can find.
Tom
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Andy Harman
tma...@netcom.com (Tom Madden) wrote:
>Pullman's LIST OF STANDARD AND TOURIST CARS #35, November 15, 1950, lists
>both Eventide and Nocturne as owned by the PRR. By that time much of the
>Pullman fleet had been transferred to railroad ownership, but that's the
>oldest (and best) data I can find.
Thanks. Certainly one of the strangest prototypes of the heavyweight
era, and certainly a strange choice to make a model of (when they
could have done any one of dozens of other Pullman plans that were
more common).
Andy