Furlow's latest in MR.
Roger T.
department but at least his railway has some operating potential.
However, he's not a patch on the latest Furlow creation.
What the heck is it supposed to be?
There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live diorama or
display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the plan at
all.
Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
fantasy.
Malcolm really should have a job with Disney.
--
Cheers
Roger T.
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/
Home of the Great Eastern Railway
Hudson Leighton
"Roger T." <roge...@highspeedplus.com> wrote:
> Some of us tend to think George Sello's over does things in the scenery
> department but at least his railway has some operating potential.
>
> However, he's not a patch on the latest Furlow creation.
>
> What the heck is it supposed to be?
>
> There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live diorama or
> display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the plan at
> all.
>
> Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> fantasy.
>
> Malcolm really should have a job with Disney.
>
> --
> Cheers
> Roger T.
A friend said it reminded him of the set in the Popeye movie.
And I belive that Mr. Furlow did work for Disney at one time
-Hudson
Ernie Fisch
<roge...@highspeedplus.com> wrote: 2000
>
> What the heck is it supposed to be?
>
> There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live diorama or
> display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the plan at
> all.
>
> Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> fantasy.
Yeah, but it seems to be what MR wants.
Did you notice the other featured layout? Nice city modelling but no
operation except for the endless loop.
--
ernie fisch
Roger T.
"Ernie Fisch"
> > What the heck is it supposed to be?
> >
> > There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> > various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live
diorama or
> > display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the
plan at
> > all.
> >
> > Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> > fantasy.
>
> Yeah, but it seems to be what MR wants.
>
> Did you notice the other featured layout? Nice city modelling but no
> operation except for the endless loop.
Yes. Another pretty picture and excellent modelling but zero in the way of
operating potential
Must be very boring once the scenery is finished.
--
Cheers
Roger T.
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/
Home of the Great Eastern Railway.
Randy Pepprock
> "Ernie Fisch"
>
> > > What the heck is it supposed to be?
> > >
> > > There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> > > various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live
> diorama or
> > > display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the
> plan at
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> > > fantasy.
> >
> > Yeah, but it seems to be what MR wants.
> >
> > Did you notice the other featured layout? Nice city modelling but no
> > operation except for the endless loop.
>
> Yes. Another pretty picture and excellent modelling but zero in the way of
> operating potential
>
> Must be very boring once the scenery is finished.
I hear this all the time, "You need to have a realistic trackplan or
else you'll get bored with just watching your trains run through the
scenery when it's all finished". It's only boring IF you like to
operate your trains in a realistic fashion. I could not give a hoot
whether I can operate my trains in a realistic manner. I like to build
scenes and scenery (structures included), turn it on and let the
trains roll slowly through it for hours. That's what I like. For years
I always "felt guilty" that I wasn't "playing with my trains" in the
proper, accepted way. That I "would be missing something" if I didn't
plan for operations down the road. You know what? I never, ever did
get into operating my trains in any sort of realistic fashion. Never
did, and I don't plan to any time soon. It's my hobby & I can enjoy it
in my own way without someone insinuating that I'm doing it "wrong".
By the way, I really like Malcolms latest effort, even if it's not
something I would want to do myself.
Randy Pepprock
Downtown Deco
Roger T.
"Randy Pepprock"
> I hear this all the time, "You need to have a realistic trackplan or
> else you'll get bored with just watching your trains run through the
> scenery when it's all finished". It's only boring IF you like to
> operate your trains in a realistic fashion. I could not give a hoot
> whether I can operate my trains in a realistic manner. I like to build
> scenes and scenery (structures included), turn it on and let the
> trains roll slowly through it for hours. That's what I like.
Hey, each to his own.
Yep, I find the Furlow plan too boring, as is the other feature article in
the Sept MR, and Furlow's scenery, as usual, over the top. Both articles
feature great model work BTW, so don't misunderstand, just not my kettle of
fish in track design and, in Furlow's case, scenic design. Waaaaay to
Disney.
Right now, I'm unhappy with my GER and plan to rip it all out and start over
again and my GER is considered to be an operations oriented railway and is,
to all intents and purposes, fully sceniced. However, it has design and
construction flaws that are difficult if not impossible to correct. It was
built with steepish grades designed for two powered diesels and 16 cars, now
a single kettle can't pull a 16 car train out of the main staging yard. So,
time to start over again.
I was going to design a track plan based on Allendale in Ontario that
featured yard limits only operation. However, I was so impressed with the
Housatonic RR plan in the May 2003 MR (pp 88/89) that I'm reconsidering
those plans and may base the new GER on the MR track plan, with
modifications for steam of and my givens and druthers of course. The 12 x
16 foot design is just perfect for my space and although similar to the
existing GER, it's a much better design than my own.
So, each to his one.
Andy Harman
<roge...@highspeedplus.com> wrote:
>Malcolm really should have a job with Disney.
My thoughts on looking through the article was it looked like the
backdrop of a Betty Boop cartoon. On in particular, "I Heard" (With
Don Redman and his orchestra) set in a mining camp. Great cartoon
BTW, like all of the B&W bop Bettys.
Malcolm... like Sellios, is a virtuoso artist, but that doesn't mean
everybody likes the tunes they are playing. I can't play like Kenny G
on the soprano sax, nor do I have his money... but I don't buy Kenny G
CDs nor do I aspire to sound like him when I pick up the horn. It
takes tremendous skills to produce what these fantasy modelers do,
even if it's wacky. If I had those skills, no telling what I'd do (at
least after I finished modeling the missing 3 miles of Duck Creek
Road). But since I don't have the desire to model Betty Boop - just
watch the videos once in a while - I will hone my skills in the
direction of prototype modeling in the 1970s, big city flatland
junctions, industrial grit, and black and blue diesels.
Andy
-----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.duckcreek.org - Pre-Interstate Urban Archaeology
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Steve Magee
<roge...@highspeedplus.com> wrote:
>
>Must be very boring once the scenery is finished.
The scenery on any layout is never finished. :)
Steve
Newcastle Oz
Pacific95
> in a realistic manner.
>Randy Pepprock
>Downtown Deco
Randy! You da MAN!!! I've been saying this for years!
(and, yes, I do sometimes read books without pictures
with word baloons in them).
-John
Railfan
>
> A friend said it reminded him of the set in the Popeye movie.
>
> And I belive that Mr. Furlow did work for Disney at one time
I believe it was John Olson who (still) works for Disney. John had
several small funky layouts in MR many years ago.
One thing about Malcolm's latest layout that hasn't been pointed out is
that he also had an article on it in a recent issue of the "Narrow Gauge
& Shortline Gazette". I always thought it was a no-no to submit the
same material to more than one magazine. In MR's article acceptance
form they require authors to sign before getting paid it states that
similar material must not be submitted elsewhere.
Bob Boudreau
Canada
Frank Eva
of
> operating potential
>
> Must be very boring once the scenery is finished.
I've heard that Furlow never did an actual "operating" layout. I personally
think he was only interested in producing artwork that he could write about
in the magazines, and of course, it wowed everyone. So, he became very much
sought after, but from a model railroad standpoint, I'd like to see one of
his layouts in actual operation, to find out for myself if they were ever
created with operation in mind.
Frank Eva
> I hear this all the time, "You need to have a realistic trackplan or
> else you'll get bored with just watching your trains run through the
> scenery when it's all finished". It's only boring IF you like to
> operate your trains in a realistic fashion. I could not give a hoot
> whether I can operate my trains in a realistic manner. I like to build
> scenes and scenery (structures included), turn it on and let the
> trains roll slowly through it for hours. That's what I like.
But that's still "operating"! I don't think Furlow's layouts were ever tied
into any kind of operation. They seem to be nothing more than dioramas that
have locomotives running back and forth to get them into position for the
next fantastic photo.
C.L.Zeni
>
> Some of us tend to think George Sello's over does things in the scenery
> department but at least his railway has some operating potential.
>
> However, he's not a patch on the latest Furlow creation.
>
> What the heck is it supposed to be?
>
> There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live diorama or
> display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the plan at
> all.
>
> Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> fantasy.
>
> Malcolm really should have a job with Disney.
It's ghastly...'Pirates Of The Caribbean' meets a spaghetti bowl
trackplan on LSD. That's a 'layout' for People Magazine, not MR...
CZ
NC
Frank Eva
> One thing about Malcolm's latest layout that hasn't been pointed out is
> that he also had an article on it in a recent issue of the "Narrow Gauge
> & Shortline Gazette". I always thought it was a no-no to submit the
> same material to more than one magazine. In MR's article acceptance
> form they require authors to sign before getting paid it states that
> similar material must not be submitted elsewhere.
Perhaps the Gazette has no similar restrictions. It seems to me that if they
are able to get a Furlow article published well before it appears in a
magazine like MR, that would be good for their image. After all, they were
"the first", and MR looks like an also-ran.
MacIndoe
> I hear this all the time, "You need to have a realistic trackplan or
> else you'll get bored with just watching your trains run through the
> scenery when it's all finished". It's only boring IF you like to
> operate your trains in a realistic fashion. I could not give a hoot
> whether I can operate my trains in a realistic manner. I like to build
> scenes and scenery (structures included), turn it on and let the
> trains roll slowly through it for hours. That's what I like. For years
> I always "felt guilty" that I wasn't "playing with my trains" in the
> proper, accepted way. That I "would be missing something" if I didn't
> plan for operations down the road. You know what? I never, ever did
> get into operating my trains in any sort of realistic fashion. Never
> did, and I don't plan to any time soon. It's my hobby & I can enjoy it
> in my own way without someone insinuating that I'm doing it "wrong".
> By the way, I really like Malcolms latest effort, even if it's not
> something I would want to do myself.
>
> Randy Pepprock
> Downtown Deco
Exactally! I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of track of
any real railroad has trains just passing through. Passing through lots
of non-railroad property, with all kinds of non-railroad stuff. In
other words, if you stand at a randomly-selected point along a
railroad's track you would most likely only see trains passing through
with no operations. People who like operations conciously choose to
focus on point A and/or point B, but all of the track in between is the
bulk of what constitutes the "railroad".
And another thing. Even if we could succeed in catagorizing everyone's
layout as a "model railroad", "railroad model", "diorama" or something
else, what's the point? What would you do with that information? Does
being a "model railroader" define your entire life? Oh, maybe it does.
Nevermind....
MacIndoe
Christian
Depends on how you want to parse words. His Children's Hospital LGB layout
is constantly in motion. OK, operating diorama.
His last project layout in Model Railroader (15 years ago?) was an urban
diesel layout built in several issues. Including an entire article devoted
to track. And an issue/article devoted to operation in the more common
sense. He /can/ do conventional stuff. He /chooses/ to satisfy his /own/
hopes/dreams/desires.
CTucker
NY
Fro...@thepond.com
Quite right. You have to keep the dust and spider webs cleaned up every week.
What I want to know is where do the spiders find enough food to not only survive, but
propagate?
................F>
Jmagarac
>trackplan on LSD. That's a 'layout' for People Magazine, not MR...
>
>CZ
>NC
Agreed! But it is art! And art is very subjective. I think I'll go look at
my Escher prints for a while............ Hey! Now there's a model railorading
challenge!.......First I build some Escher benchwork.... I can have the trains
running downhill in either direction!...
Art Fahie
will probably be never "operated"... I've felt -guilty- enough to
employ not one, but three Digitrax Chief systems, set-up car-cards,
and even have an operating computer system with Ship-It installed in
my layout room... figuring the time would come when the "crowning"
achievement of the layout would be "full-operation"... no can do, my
friend. One of the reasons this hobby may be on the downside is that
with the population shift many "Americans" don't much give a damned
about the history of this country... model railroading is... by &
large... an historical hobby. (regardless of what region/country you
choose to model) Some of us prefer the actual rolling stock & motive
power, others (me included) embrace the re-creation of an old Frank
Capra set, or a childhood memory. (note: my M&PC is themed around
spending summers at my Grandmother's house in Brooklyn, NY). While
I'm uncomfortable with the Furlow (and to lesser extent) the Sellios
approach... we all have our own "psyche" to deal with... and THAT is
what keep the hobby creative. Like Tiny Tim said... and God bless
everyone... no kiddin' on this!
Art Fahie
downto...@montana.com (Randy Pepprock) wrote in message news:<de9449a0.03080...@posting.google.cm>...
Fro...@thepond.com
>It's ghastly...'Pirates Of The Caribbean' meets a spaghetti bowl
>trackplan on LSD. That's a 'layout' for People Magazine, not MR...
>
>CZ
>NC
LOL! I saw that movie. Enjoyed it thoroughly.
I would not want anything like that on any model railway that I built.
I liked Jack's scenery just fine when I operated on the Monon. And the scenery over
at the Horseshoe curve on uno who's (Ed?) layout is superb. Just right, don't you
think?
It looks like Pencilvaneya.
********************************************************************************
"So, you don't believe in ghost stories, eh missy?
Well, you'd better start believin' in 'em,
'cause you're IN one !"..................................F>
Wolf Kirchmeir
=>I don't think Furlow's layouts were ever tied
=>into any kind of operation. They seem to be nothing more than dioramas that
=>have locomotives running back and forth to get them into position for the
=>next fantastic photo.
Yeah, OK, so????????????????????????
--
Wolf Kirchmeir, Blind River, Ontario, Canada
=========================================================
Never try to teach a pig to dance. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
=========================================================
<just one w and plain ca for correct address>
John Dennis
> Exactally! I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of track of
> any real railroad has trains just passing through. Passing through lots
> of non-railroad property, with all kinds of non-railroad stuff. In
> other words, if you stand at a randomly-selected point along a
> railroad's track you would most likely only see trains passing through
> with no operations. People who like operations conciously choose to
> focus on point A and/or point B, but all of the track in between is the
> bulk of what constitutes the "railroad".
Very true. But if you stand at a random point along a railroad track
you won't see the same train going past, in the same direction, every
few minutes as you do in a round-and-round layout.
John Dennis
Lungshot1
>you won't see the same train going past, in the same direction, every
>few minutes as you do in a round-and-round layout.
I recently saw a train running on the trackage that runs along route 17 near
Deposit, NY. This is the first train I had ever seen run on this trackage. It
finally added believability to my own home HO layout as trains haven't been run
in years.
ED
E Litella
> First I build some Escher benchwork.... I can have the trains
> running downhill in either direction!...
When I went to Escher Elementary it was uphill both ways.
Jim Stewart
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No, you dont...
Jim Stewart
Trainman
My trackplan is nothing more than a loop too! However, I did add a
crossover at one end, so that it CAN be operated as an "out and back" with
way freight switching on the way. I can run trains if I want to just watch
them go around, and I can run a way freight in a relatively realistic manner
if I want.
It may not be right for you, but it works for me. THAT in a nutshell, is
what the hobby's about.
Don
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Snowy
"MacIndoe" <macindoe-at-mindspring-dot-com> wrote in message
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>
> > I hear this all the time, "You need to have a realistic trackplan or
> > else you'll get bored with just watching your trains run through the
> > scenery when it's all finished". It's only boring IF you like to
> > operate your trains in a realistic fashion. I could not give a hoot
> > whether I can operate my trains in a realistic manner. I like to build
> > scenes and scenery (structures included), turn it on and let the
> > trains roll slowly through it for hours. That's what I like. For years
> > I always "felt guilty" that I wasn't "playing with my trains" in the
> > proper, accepted way. That I "would be missing something" if I didn't
> > plan for operations down the road. You know what? I never, ever did
> > get into operating my trains in any sort of realistic fashion. Never
> > did, and I don't plan to any time soon. It's my hobby & I can enjoy it
> > in my own way without someone insinuating that I'm doing it "wrong".
> > Randy Pepprock
> > Downtown Deco
>
I agree, I'm desiging a largish HO scale layout & I dont really have
operationality in mind too much. I love big scenery and having several HO
scale miles of single track main line to play with I just wanna get a train
going & watch it cavort through the vegetation, although I did want a
feeling of going somewhere so I have put a 'drive-thru' staging yard on one
end,I dont really care for having a timetable or way bills or whatever, if I
feel like putting a certain car at a random industy spur then so be it.
Thats just my opinion, but I would give my golf club set to have scenery
like George Sellio's layout but thats when pigs will fly. I'm happy with 2-3
ft deep scenes and an easy walk around trackplan just to chill out, when its
finished of course...
Anyway happy model railroading, whatever it means to you all.
Snowy
Way Down In NZ (New Zealand)
Jim Stewart
"Snowy" <nospam@myaddress> wrote in message news:3f36...@clear.net.nz...
I only have a tiny room. (10 by 10). I plan for HO.
I like GG1's, K4's and other Pennsy stuff.
My view of scenery is where there are acres of manufacturing plants
(Northern NJ,
Pittsburg, Sydney or Melbourne.) Not the spread out mainlines of most of
America.
My railroad will have a station and facilities for making up trains. Lots of
them.
Short ones 2-4 cars big ones 6-8 cars. for purposes. It will have trainloads
of coal,
steel, ore, produce, and cattle passing through being serviced, and
confusing the dispatcher
who must route them through. It will have a local servicing the industries
and setting out
east or west bound pickups and drop offs.
The design problem will be to keep as much straight road as possible,
meaning 18 to 22
inch hidden curves. Rolling hills, mostly terraced with brick, stone,
rapwork, cuts and fills
with lots of cinders.... Oh yes, a generating station and catanary for the
GG1s....
It will be operatible by one person.
Prototype, design criteria, operations, scenery. It is a model railroad.
It is also a different view of things from the average modeler out side of
the "corridor"
Even chicago has long spaces between sidings.
Jim Stewart
Fro...@thepond.com
What I actually meant to say was not "where" but rather "how"
How do they find enough food to survive?
...................F>
Jim Stewart
<Fro...@thepond.com> wrote in message
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I don't think I even want to know that, thank you. Do you know how and what
a spider eats? Think Alien.
Jim Stewart
Larry Blanchard
says...
> What I want to know is where do the spiders find enough food to not only survive, but
> propagate?
>
>
Seems the Feds wanted to sterilize a facility that had been used to
produce biological toxins. They sealed the building (tented it?) and
pumped it full of something that would destroy all life. They opened it
back up in a couple of weeks (presumably after pumping out the poison)
and found it full of, you guessed it, spider webs!
The way I've seen some spiders laugh at the Raid, I almost believe it!
--
Where ARE those Iraqi WMDs?
Hzakas
>going & watch it cavort through the vegetation
"Cavort through the vegetation"?! Is that anything like tiptoeing through the
tulips?
Dieter Zakas
Ken Day
was HOn3 and was called the San Juan Central. As best I recall it was
a 6 installment project. It was completed and had some operation
potential. As a matter of fact one installment was titled "Operation
on the San Juan Central". Certainly not a large main line operation
but bear in mind most of his work is logging and small mining lines.
I have been aqquainted with Malcolm since 1978. His Denver and Rio
Chama western dioramas inspired me to start modeling in narrow gauge.
When he started into professional photography he did many dioramas
that seemed to be built just for photographing.
Malcolm did work for Disney at one time designing sets as did John
Olsen , another HOn3 modeler and kit mfr.that someone mentioned
earlier in this thread. As far as I know he is still with Disney.
Malcolm is a very busy and talented man. He is a musician...guitar ,
piano and sax , I think he sang country music for a short while. He is
and has been a professional artist for about 15 years.
I'm glad to see him back into model railroading. I really enjoy and
admire his work. I really don't think there is any facet of this hobby
that I don't enjoy and appreciate although scenery, structures
and super detailing are my favorite things to do.
I have some Z , quite a lot of N and some Nn3. I Also HO but my
primary interest is HOn3.
When I seen the Bachmann On30 Shay that was released a short while
back I had to have one. Well , now I have more On30 motive
power and rolling stock and I'm working on a small diorama which will
eventually be a part of a small On30 layout.
Boy, you can sure put the detail in O scale.
Ken Day
On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 12:44:44 GMT, "Frank Eva" <fran...@wi.rr.com>
wrote:
Bruce Favinger
The "San Juan Central" was made into a book just as Olsen's "A Model
Railroad with Personality. Both are very good projects that everyone can get
good ideas from. I like the San Juan Central and it's track plan is
excellent for modeling shoreline or narrow gauge mountain railroads in small
space. The San Juan Central yard on the extended shelf seems arranged to fit
rather than provide much operation but if one could extend the yard and make
it more functional and add staging at the interchange there would be some
very good potential for operation without using to much more space. Bruce
Ken Day <kd1...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Stephen Foster
Texas.
It looked wonderful (HOn3) but he could not run trains over it because of
his weathering process of a shoe box full of dirt. Put the car in and shake
handily! Trouble was all that dirt fell onto the rails making electrical
VERY unreliable!
At that time he had a G ga passenger car on a module plank that made it into
MR photos.
It was much like the current issue photos... interesting to see however.
The current bearded face of Mr Furlow in the MR article seems to indicate he
actually likes to live in this world of make believe.
I will say the new photos lightened my day!
--
Stephen
"If it ain't steam, it's a powered boxcar."
"A private car is not an acquired taste. One takes to it immediately."
http://www.inforworks.com/trains.htm
All Points North Model RR Club (Houston TX)
http://www.allpointsnorthmrrc.org
"Hudson Leighton" <hud...@skypoint.com> wrote in message
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> In article <7219610fd47a5c44...@grapevine.islandnet.com>,
> "Roger T." <roge...@highspeedplus.com> wrote:
>
> > Some of us tend to think George Sello's over does things in the scenery
> > department but at least his railway has some operating potential.
> >
> > However, he's not a patch on the latest Furlow creation.
> >
> > What the heck is it supposed to be?
> >
> > There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
> > various tunnels with no "plan to them. Now this really is a live
diorama or
> > display "layout" as there's absolutely no operating potential in the
plan at
> > all.
> >
> > Once again, fantastic modelling, with the emphasis on "fantastic", as in
> > fantasy.
> >
> > Malcolm really should have a job with Disney.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Roger T.
>
> A friend said it reminded him of the set in the Popeye movie.
>
> And I belive that Mr. Furlow did work for Disney at one time
>
> -Hudson
>
> --
> http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl
Stephen Foster
Stephen Foster
Stephen Foster
Stephen Foster
Stephen Foster
Frank Eva
> =>I don't think Furlow's layouts were ever tied
> =>into any kind of operation. They seem to be nothing more than dioramas
that
> =>have locomotives running back and forth to get them into position for
the
> =>next fantastic photo.
>
> Yeah, OK, so????????????????????????
Read the thread - I shouldn't have to repeat myself.
Stephen Foster
Stephen Foster
Mike Tennent
>There's no "track plan" just a bunch of lines that run and duck through
>various tunnels with no "plan to them.
Really? The track plan in the article shows a couple of
industrial-type sidings, a passing siding, and a staging area.
Unwrap it and it looks like a lot of other small operating layouts.
Mike Tennent
"IronPenguin"
Stephen Foster
my computer is saying it wasnt sent AND still leaves it in the outbox. Mail
works fine but this problem is in news groups only.
now I know it DID go thru.
sorry
--
Stephen
"If it ain't steam, it's a powered boxcar."
"A private car is not an acquired taste. One takes to it immediately."
http://www.inforworks.com/trains.htm
All Points North Model RR Club (Houston TX)
http://www.allpointsnorthmrrc.org
"Stephen Foster" <Waba...@copper.net> wrote in message
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Snowy
"Hzakas" <hza...@aol.com> wrote in message
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It very well may be... I did mean just plain running through the scenery,
but I know that you knew that, I was just checking ;)
Steve Moore
Track Ahead many years ago. Impressed by the vertical scenery, and the
ability to take it apart and put it back together again in a few
minutes too.
The ego was a little too big for my taste. That really turned me off.
But I don't have to like the guy to admire his work. He has lost me on
this one, though. When I opened the article in MR thought to myself,
"..what is this supposed to be?". "What a monstrosity!" Then I saw the
creators name, which explained a lot. What were the people at MR
thinking?
Steve Moore
Salt Lake City
Charles Bix
> What were the people at MR
> thinking?
Magazine sales.
CBix
Jon Miller
Ah, but those are headed down for MR not up! :)
PEACHCREEK
Ernie Fisch
wrote: 2000
> MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model railroading.
I think they already made it.
--
ernie fisch
Roger T.
"PEACHCREEK"
> MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model
railroading.
Well on its way?
Given the skimpy written coverage on most articles, the amount of wasted
white space on most pages, and the dependence on (Very nice) photos, I'd say
it's already there.
--
Cheers
Roger T.
http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/
Home of the Great Eastern Railway
Trainman
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I was thinking more along the lines of "USA Today".
Don
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>MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model railroading.
Becoming?
...................F>
Pulp Fiction, GA
David F.
>
> my computer is saying it wasnt sent AND still leaves it in the outbox. Mail
> works fine but this problem is in news groups only.
>
> now I know it DID go thru.
>
> sorry
>
> --
> Stephen
Yes, it did, it did, it did, it did, it did!
Could you have picked up that nasty little Worm Virus
going round this week?
David.
Ken Day
photography. I think his being an impressionistic painter
influenced this work more than any of his other efforts.
I'm curious as to why you think his bearded face
seems to indicate he likes to live in a world make believe?
Ken Day
Railfan
>
> I'm curious as to why you think his bearded face
> seems to indicate he likes to live in a world make believe?
>
Yes, me too! Don't we all live in a world where we make believe out
models are real or appear real?
Bearded Bob Boudreau
Canada
Wolf Kirchmeir
=>
=>Ernie Fisch <ernf...@cox.net> wrote in message
=>news:NNGqmIRtbIm0-pn2-VRk0HEmTOyG4@localhost...
=>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:45:27 UTC, peach...@aol.com (PEACHCREEK)
=>> wrote: 2000
=>>
=>> > MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model
=>railroading.
=>>
=>> I think they already made it.
=>>
=>> --
=>> ernie fisch
=>>
=>
=>I was thinking more along the lines of "USA Today".
=>
=>Don
=>
=>
=>--
=>don.de...@prodigy.net
Egads, but we're a superior lot around here, what?
--
Wolf Kirchmeir, Blind River, Ontario, Canada
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cros...@charter.net
<wwol...@sympatico.can> wrote:
>On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:03:49 GMT, Trainman wrote:
>
>=>
>=>Ernie Fisch <ernf...@cox.net> wrote in message
>=>news:NNGqmIRtbIm0-pn2-VRk0HEmTOyG4@localhost...
>=>> On Tue, 12 Aug 2003 19:45:27 UTC, peach...@aol.com (PEACHCREEK)
>=>> wrote: 2000
>=>>
>=>> > MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model
>=>railroading.
>=>>
>=>> I think they already made it.
>=>
>=>I was thinking more along the lines of "USA Today".
>
>Egads, but we're a superior lot around here, what?
Just the Amer^h^h^h^hUnited Statesicans...
<VBG>
Jeff Sc.
Snooty, Ga.
Don't bother to reply via email...I've been JoeJobbed.
JCunington
>
When my MR subscription runs out, I'm thinking of asking my mother-in-law to
get me Railmodel Journal or North Western Lines instead of re-upping me. That
"Freight Cars of the Fifties" series was so a propos to my modeling. (Or was
that in MRRing? RMJ sounds right). (The subscription was my birthday present
last year.)
MR's good, but I see an over-reliance on photos. It's nice they have the press
capability for those nice photos, but I rely on text, not some Tom, Dick & Jane
picture book. Is that a "superior" attitude? They USED TO make a magazine like
that. Well, as long as Happy Hobby has the big stacks of back issues, I'll keep
buying them, albeit issues of 20-50 years ago.
Jay
CNS&M
Wireheads of the world, unite!
Gregory Procter
Railfan wrote:
I'm starting to get real worried:- I'm bearded, make my living as an
impressionist artist and build the occassional model railway for
exhibition. I really like the bit of World I'm living in!!!
Greg.P.
Andy Harman
>MR is well on its way to becoming the "People Magazine" of model railroading.
In a way it always has been. Compared to even RMC, MR's cover stories
have always been more "who" than "what". Mainline Modeler has had
more covers with boats than with people :-)
MR also has had one and only one issue that had a person as the
primary cover subject - not standing next to his layout, but seated in
almost a portrait pose - the John Allen memorial issue - April, 1973 I
believe.
The change in MR is that they seem to be trying to use the "celebrity"
factor to sell magazines moreso than their work. Beldar has been on
the job for almost a year now, and we are starting to see more of his
influence. As usual though the magazine is still a mix of the good,
the bad, and the indifferent. I always enjoy articles by Andy
Sperandeo and Jeff Wilson which I hope will continue, and I also like
to read Tony the K's column - his writing is entertaining and reveals
the grinding gears of thought as well as the constantly shifting goals
and methods of his NKP western lines project.
I actually believe the magazine still has a lot going for it, perhaps
more than Beldar can destroy singlehandedly.
Andy
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Keith Norgrove
Harman) wrote:
>
>I actually believe the magazine still has a lot going for it, perhaps
>more than Beldar can destroy singlehandedly.
>
For those of us a bit slow on the uptake could you explain the
derivation of 'Beldar' please.
Keith
Make friends in the hobby.
Keith
Visit <http://www.grovenor.dsl.pipex.com/>
Garratt photos for the big steam lovers.
Paul Newhouse
r...@dsl.pipex.com (Keith Norgrove) writes:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:06 GMT, thefan...@notmail.com (Andy
> Harman) wrote:
>
>>
>>I actually believe the magazine still has a lot going for it, perhaps
>>more than Beldar can destroy singlehandedly.
>>
> For those of us a bit slow on the uptake could you explain the
> derivation of 'Beldar' please.
Beldar of ConeHead fame!? Killed the giant beast with an improvised
golf club & ball. Then saved earth (his adopted home) by faking
capabilities that earth didn't have.
Or maybe it's a different Beldar??
Paul
--
Working the Rockie Road of the G&PX
Andy Harman
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:06 GMT, thefan...@notmail.com (Andy
> Harman) wrote:
> >
> For those of us a bit slow on the uptake could you explain the
> derivation of 'Beldar' please.
http://www.imdb.com/Title?0106598
Compare to: any recent issue of MR, editorial page.
Andy
Keith Norgrove
wrote:
Understood,
Keith
Make friends in the hobby.
Mark Mathu
> Yes. Another pretty picture and excellent modelling but zero in the way of
> operating potential
>
> Must be very boring once the scenery is finished.
Hey, each to his own.
Frank A. Rosenbaum
--
From the computer of
Frank A. Rosenbaum
"Jmagarac" <jmag...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >It's ghastly...'Pirates Of The Caribbean' meets a spaghetti bowl
> >trackplan on LSD. That's a 'layout' for People Magazine, not MR...
> >
> >CZ
> >NC
>
> Agreed! But it is art! And art is very subjective. I think I'll go look
at
> my Escher prints for a while............ Hey! Now there's a model
railorading
> challenge!.......First I build some Escher benchwork.... I can have the
trains
> running downhill in either direction!...
HEY!!!!
That's my normal benchwork!
Karl Bond
> >It's ghastly...'Pirates Of The Caribbean' meets a spaghetti bowl
> >trackplan on LSD. That's a 'layout' for People Magazine, not MR...
> >
> >CZ
> >NC
>
> Agreed! But it is art! And art is very subjective. I think I'll go look at
> my Escher prints for a while............ Hey! Now there's a model railorading
> challenge!.......First I build some Escher benchwork.... I can have the trains
> running downhill in either direction!...
Yes, it is art. More of a characature than anything else, but still
art. Kinda reminds me of what a beach-side artist did to my image
once. Wife still cherishes the artwork, I still don't find it funny!
Edward Kahn
> On 14 Aug 2003 10:49:01 -0700, win...@hhcustom.com (Andy Harman)
> wrote:
>
> >r...@dsl.pipex.com (Keith Norgrove) wrote in message news:<qeqmjv4ri8sldbor3...@4ax.com>...
> >> On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 02:47:06 GMT, thefan...@notmail.com (Andy
> >> Harman) wrote:
> >> >
> >> For those of us a bit slow on the uptake could you explain the
> >> derivation of 'Beldar' please.
> >
> >http://www.imdb.com/Title?0106598
> >
> >Compare to: any recent issue of MR, editorial page.
> >
> Understood,
> Keith
> Make friends in the hobby.
Have to put my 2 cents into the discussion about the Furlow layout.
While I appreciate his great ability in modeling, I think the layout
should have never been printed in MR. Everyone can have their own
opinion as to what they want to model, but in no way, shape or form is
his layout informative to me about model railroading. It looks like
some form of comedy or set design for the theater. MR should stick
the topic and the reasons we buy their magazine.
Ed