Pioneer Zepher Model Info
OnTrackHby
My understanding of this train is that it was originally called the Pioneer
Zepher and later renamed the Denver Zepher, so it may go by either name. There
were several Zepher's, but it is this early variation he is looking for.
In looking through the Brown Book, I see that there are two Zepher models
listed; the Twin Cities Zepher and the Nebraska Zepher, both made by Oriental
in 1989. It is his belief that Nickle Plate Products also made a model, the
Pioneer Zepher. He seems to think that this model sold for around $200 - $250.
First, is anyone aware of this Nickle Plate Model, or anyother model of the
Pioneer/Denver Zepher. And, does anyone have one they are looking to sell.
And of course, if so, how much?
Thanks in advance for your time and information.
Bill Hirt
>
> A friend of mine is interested in locating a model of the original CB&Q Zepher.
> My understanding of this train is that it was originally called the Pioneer
> Zepher and later renamed the Denver Zepher, so it may go by either name. There
> were several Zepher's, but it is this early variation he is looking for.
>
The Pioneer Zephyr was unique among the CB&Q shovelnoses because the cab
window arrangement is/was different than subsequent shovelnose units.
While the Pioneer Zephyr was used for a time as the advance Denver
Zephyr, the Denver Zephyr was a totally different train set. Shoreham
has announced they will be importing the shovelnose EA/EB units which
pulled the Twin Zephyrs and Denver Zephyrs.
> First, is anyone aware of this Nickle Plate Model, or anyother model of the
> Pioneer/Denver Zepher. And, does anyone have one they are looking to sell.
> And of course, if so, how much?
>
The Nickel Plate model has some problems. The letterboards aren't the
correct size (Champ made a decal set to compensate for this) along with
the overall appearance not being quite right. I was looking through some
old RMC's and all these things were mentioned in the review they did. I
believe Challenger did a run of the Pioneer Zephyr a couple of years
ago, and while Challenger is rather pricey, you can bet the model is
first rate and accurate. It all depends on what your friend is looking
for and his finances.
- Bill
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
>The Pioneer Zephyr was unique among the CB&Q shovelnoses because the cab
>window arrangement is/was different than subsequent shovelnose units.
[rest of great summary snipped]
In N scale, there is the Fine N-Scale/ProtoTrains kit, of which the second run
has recently been shipped to dealers. Retail price is still $195.
Best regards,
Randy
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Cliff BPa
Randy Gordon-Gilmore <gord...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6sg70n$4...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>...
> In article <35E495...@ibm.net>, wh...@ibm.net said...
>
> >The Pioneer Zephyr was unique among the CB&Q shovelnoses because the cab
> >window arrangement is/was different than subsequent shovelnose units.
>
> More Zepher
Pardon if already posted
RMC in classifieds advertizes 1/4 scale Zepher plans
BEST PIONEER ZEPHER DATA in MRR OCT 1959 includes HO templates for forming
nose and roof parts obviously can be scalled up or down
good hunting
St Elmo
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
said...
>RMC in classifieds advertizes 1/4 scale Zepher plans
....drawn by Marshall Thayer, who has done a lot of excellent plans over the
years. His two-part article on the PZ appeared in Feb and Mar 1971.
>BEST PIONEER ZEPHER DATA in MRR OCT 1959 includes HO templates for forming
No! No! Don't use this article as a reference! The bodies were made from an
aluminum extrusion intended for later lightweight cars, that had letterboards
and were much too tall and wide. The whole appearance of the train is wrong.
A good kitbashing article on the PZ in HO appeared in the Feb and March 1982
Model Railroader. It kept the petite appearance of this innovative train, but
requires a lot of cutting and piecing together of body parts.
James D Thompson
> And for crying out loud, it's spelled z-e-p-h-y-r. :-)
You mean I've gotta take off the "Pyunear Xeffir" lettering? Aw crud.
Dayveid Tawmpsuhn :)
Warren Kellogg
I'm still amazed someone hasn't done the PZ in HO recently, what with the
recent restoration of the prototype and all......
w
Cliff BPa
Matthew Frahm <mfr...@visi.Kom> wrote in article
<2oqH1.2212$ey4.7...@ptah.visi.com>...
> Randy Gordon-Gilmore <gord...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > In article <01bdd5da$3a2482a0$350830d1@oemcomputer>,
bp5...@nassaulibrary.org
> > said...
>
> >>RMC in classifieds advertizes 1/4 scale Zepher plans
>
> > ....drawn by Marshall Thayer, who has done a lot of excellent plans
over the
> > years. His two-part article on the PZ appeared in Feb and Mar 1971.
>
> >>BEST PIONEER ZEPHER DATA in MRR OCT 1959 includes HO templates for
forming
>
> > No! No! Don't use this article as a reference! The bodies were made
from an
> > aluminum extrusion intended for later lightweight cars, that had
letterboards
> > and were much too tall and wide. The whole appearance of the train is
wrong.
>
> > A good kitbashing article on the PZ in HO appeared in the Feb and March
1982
> > Model Railroader. It kept the petite appearance of this innovative
train, but
> > requires a lot of cutting and piecing together of body parts.
>
StElmo says
thanks for theinfo i will scuttle my 1959 data file and replace with the
MRR Articles Thanks again for the usefull info>
>
Randy Gordon-Gilmore
said...
>StElmo says
>thanks for theinfo i will scuttle my 1959 data file and replace with the
>MRR Articles Thanks again for the usefull info>
Cliff, I hope it didn't sound like I was jumping on you for your comment...
If you (or anyone else, for that matter) would like a printout of my own PZ
layout drawing (I can print it out to any scale), which includes a flat pattern
of the nose and tail window layouts, send me an email. I'll send it for the
cost of the supplies (if it's O or G, I'll have to pen plot it) and mailing.
Jeff Scherb
http://www.accurail.com/cgi-bin/tmcgi.exe?opt=S&cmdtext=zephyr
jeff
Matthew Frahm wrote:
> Randy Gordon-Gilmore <gord...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> > In article <01bdd5da$3a2482a0$350830d1@oemcomputer>, bp5...@nassaulibrary.org
> > said...
>
> >>RMC in classifieds advertizes 1/4 scale Zepher plans
>
> > ....drawn by Marshall Thayer, who has done a lot of excellent plans over the
> > years. His two-part article on the PZ appeared in Feb and Mar 1971.
>
> >>BEST PIONEER ZEPHER DATA in MRR OCT 1959 includes HO templates for forming
>
> > No! No! Don't use this article as a reference! The bodies were made from an
> > aluminum extrusion intended for later lightweight cars, that had letterboards
> > and were much too tall and wide. The whole appearance of the train is wrong.
>
> > A good kitbashing article on the PZ in HO appeared in the Feb and March 1982
> > Model Railroader. It kept the petite appearance of this innovative train, but
> > requires a lot of cutting and piecing together of body parts.
>
> And for crying out loud, it's spelled z-e-p-h-y-r. :-)
>
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