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After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival of Railway Modelling, Police Contacted

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Howrah Station Railwayana

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Apr 11, 2010, 2:51:15 PM4/11/10
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After being refused exhibition space (Racial / Religious
Discrimination) by the organisers Warners Group at The London Festival
of Railway Modelling, Police Contacted

from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com>
to iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk
date Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:34 AM

subject The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra
Palace on March 27 and 28 2010

mailed-by googlemail.com

Dear Mr MacRae

I refer to our phone conversation on Friday about exhibiting at The
London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March
27 and 28 2010. I want to exhibit a non-profit cause and your GBP
202.00 and vat tax approximately fees you quoted are too expensive and
thus the only route is if Warners Group Publications the organisers of
the show could consider a discount. You mentioned that other non-
profit groups that will be exhibiting are getting discounts. For
consideration and relevance, I mentioned to you that this project is
for automating a spiritual ceremony.

The spiritual ceremony is related to Prabhupada (His Divine Grace) and
founder of the Gaudiya Vaisnava movement who brings many thousands
from the West to this Devotional Yoga path and is the living spiritual
master initiating via the rail modelling system. This will be of
diecast and based on the Calcutta's Howrah Station. The exhibition
will allow the project to be told to others. I would be grateful if
your manager can include this project and provide space for this
project on the exhibition floor. I have done door-to-door flyers in
December 2009 at a town of Bushey in Hertfordshire for this project.
Gradually this project is starting, I hope you could allow this
project as this is very relevant for the rail modelling world.


Regards.....


from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com>
to johng @warnersgroup.co.uk,
davidb @warnersgroup.co.uk,
johne @warnersgroup.co.uk
cc iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk,
grettar @warnersgroup.co.uk,
maxines @warnersgroup.co.uk

date Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 10:15 PM

subject Complaint (Iain MacRae & Managers) about being refused from
exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in
Alexandra Palace on March 27 & 28 2010

mailed-by googlemail.com


FAO: J Greenwood, Publisher; D Brown, Managing Editor; J Emerson,
Editor; Warners Group Publications, The Maltings, West Street, Bourne,
Lincolnshire (GB)


Dear Mr Greenwood, Mr Brown & Mr Emerson

After having sent an email to Mr Iain MacRae (your employee) wishing
to exhibit at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in
Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 as a non-profit, I was
refused. The reason for being excluding by Mr MacRae when he had
contacted his managers on his email is: “We do not feel it has enough
to do with the genre we are basing the show on.” This was said after I
had said in an email requesting participation in: “.....I hope you
could allow this project as this is very relevant for the rail
modelling world.” I said this because it relates to telling others
about rail modelling (the “genre”) for a spiritual ceremony
automation. I was not requested by anyone in your company to answer
any relevancy questions.


Thus I cannot really see why if the presentation is related to rail
modelling why I am being excluded from exhibiting at the show. The
only difference is that my presentation on rail modelling is based on
Howrah Station Calcutta has a spiritual practical purpose. For that
reason alone, why should I be excluded for presenting about rail
modelling based on Howrah Station Calcutta? I cannot understand why I
am being stopped from my exhibiting at the show when I have bought
rail modelling magazines, have verbally and in writing contacted
others in the rail modelling field, have railway modelling literature
from the public library, written publicly about rail modelling
possibilities thus expanding it's field and have arranged websites,
for example actual rail one that will in some way facilitate Howrah
Station modelling: http://sites.google.com/site/32rail32.


I thus feel racially / religiously discriminated against and
victimised by Mr Iain MacRae and the specific managers he contacted,
who excluded my presentation. This I feel is illegal as it is
religious / racial discrimination and victimisation. I wish to meet at
the show with other railway modelling enthusiasts This attitude goes
against rail modelling principles that are about inclusion and which
you try and portray on your Collectors Gazette, Diecast Collector,
British Railway Modelling, Ramsay's British Model Trains Catalogue and
Model Railway Collector publications and also at rail modelling
events, The Festival of British Railway Modelling, The London Festival
of Railway Modelling and The National Festival of Railway Modelling.


Could you please allow my presentation at the The London Festival of
Railway Modelling 2010 in Alexandra Palace on March 27 and 28 2010 ?


Please respond within next 24 hours via email.


Regards.....


from Howrah Station Railwayana <railwayana @googlemail.com>
to John Greenwood <johng @warnersgroup.co.uk>
cc David Brown <DavidB @warnersgroup.co.uk>,
John Emerson <JohnE @warnersgroup.co.uk>,
Iain MacRae <iainm @warnersgroup.co.uk>,
Gretta Ryan <GrettaR @warnersgroup.co.uk>,
Maxine Shepherd <maxines @warnersgroup.co.uk>,
sallyd @warnersgroup.co.uk,
stephenw @warnersgroup.co.uk
date Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:54 PM

subject Re: Complaint (Iain MacRae & Managers) about being refused
from exhibiting at The London Festival of Railway Modelling 2010 in
Alexandra Palace on March 27 & 28 2010

mailed-by googlemail.com


I waited for a response and also phoned today only to be given
negativity from John Emerson and Sally Dodds. Thus I have contacted
the Police about racial / religious discrimination from Warners Group.

Regards.....


None

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Apr 11, 2010, 7:45:23 PM4/11/10
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On Apr 11, 2:51 pm, Howrah Station Railwayana

Sorry, perhaps they had enough bell ringers.

mike mueller

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Apr 12, 2010, 9:45:47 AM4/12/10
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I believe in religious freedoms and much as the next guy. Being of
German Jewish background, my father & his family went through the
Holocaust in the 1940's. He lost almost all his family to Hitler.
However, including a Model of a Railway station in a religious ceremony
doesn't make it a Railroad Themed Model. Pull you head out of your ASS
and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda
on those who have no desire to hear it.
Mike M

Twibil

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Apr 12, 2010, 3:32:26 PM4/12/10
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On Apr 12, 6:45 am, mike mueller <cabinetma...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Pull you head out of your ASS
> and stop wasting government money trying to push your religious agenda
> on those who have no desire to hear it.

Ah, but there are always going to be people who believe deep in their
hearts that *THEY* are being treated unfairly if they don't get
everything they want, all evidence to the contrary.

None

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Apr 12, 2010, 3:46:02 PM4/12/10
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Paranoia runs deep, into your heart it will creep. - Buffalo
Springfield

David Nebenzahl

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Apr 12, 2010, 4:14:58 PM4/12/10
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On 4/12/2010 6:45 AM mike mueller spake thus:

kinda reminds me of a former employer of mine.

First *real* (i.e., salaried) job I had was working for a Mormon who
owned a little computer-products company in Flagstaff. Guy was kind of a
genius who could write assembly-language code in his head. He was also a
total fucking idiot.

He went to a trade show (Comdex in Las Vegas, I think) and on the front
of the display table put stacks of the Book of Mormon.

Upon returning, he had to have it explained to him why this was not a
good idea.


--
The fashion in killing has an insouciant, flirty style this spring,
with the flaunting of well-defined muscle, wrapped in flags.

- Comment from an article on Antiwar.com (http://antiwar.com)

Twibil

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Apr 12, 2010, 8:36:38 PM4/12/10
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On Apr 12, 1:14 pm, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>
> First *real* (i.e., salaried) job I had was working for a Mormon who
> owned a little computer-products company in Flagstaff. Guy was kind of a
> genius who could write assembly-language code in his head. He was also a
> total fucking idiot.
>
> He went to a trade show (Comdex in Las Vegas, I think) and on the front
> of the display table put stacks of the Book of Mormon.
>
> Upon returning, he had to have it explained to him why this was not a
> good idea.

Not uncommon.

A guitar teacher who taught for a store I worked at once tried to
strong-arm her students into signing a petition to outlaw the showing
of the movie "The Last Temptation Of Christ" on the grounds that "It
isn't the truth". She really couldn't understand why it wasn't good
business for her to force her religious ideas on her students, or that
no matter how many petitions people signed there was no way to outlaw
a movie just because she and her church didn't like it. She just kept
repeating "BUT IT'S NOT THE *TRUTH*! over and over.

She stopped only when she was threatened with dismissal.

Some people...

Calvin Henry-Cotnam

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Apr 22, 2010, 9:01:07 PM4/22/10
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The post by Howrah Station Railwayana is a perfect example of how some
people fail to realize an important point:

The right to free speech does NOT include the right to have a stage
to exercise the right of free speech, nor does it include the right
to have an audience to hear when one exercises their right to free
speech.

The organizers of an event have the right to refuse an exhibitor that
is not in keeping with the purpose of the event, AND they have the right
to judge what is and what is not in keeping with that purpose.

--
Calvin Henry-Cotnam
"Unusual or extreme reactions to events caused by negligence
are imaginable, but not reasonably foreseeable"
- Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin, May 2008
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