Robert Bussey Question...
Jeff Boler
LEESENSEI
However Mr. Bussey is no longer associated with the Bujinkan, and Mr. Nagato
would certainly not reffer kindly to Mr. Bussey. In fact, I am quite sure that
Nagato Sensei would love to get his hands on Robert Bussey.
Robert Bussey has been doing his own thing for many years. His system seems to
be mostly based on Tae Kwon Do, but from what I hear the TKD people don't
really claim him either.
Lee Drew
Birmingham Bujinkan Dojo
head rush
here to shoot for the Hawaii Five-0 remake series. And before I get the
question....no the series was not picked up by the networks so it may never
show.
LEESENSEI (lees...@aol.com) wrote:
: At one time, he trained under Nagato Sensei in the Bujinkan Dojo.
ptlc
no longer together.
Chris - pt...@ptd.net
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
>Does anybody have any idea who this guy trained under?
>
>
I am from Nebraska, and once upon a time Mr. Bussey was a TKD and
hapkido instructor in Fremont, Nebraska (a medium sized relatively
rural city). At some point during the initial onslaught of the Ninja
craze, he trained with "somebody", who I am not sure. I have seen
pics of him with Hatsumi and Hayes all smiley and arms 'round each
other, but pics are usually posed, right?
Anyway.
I have had the opportunity to watch the RBWI evolve from Robert
Bussey's Ninjutsu Academy (at which I almost became a student once
upon a time) into the early RBWI, and then into the violent, deluded,
fragmented psychos that the branch organizations have devolved into.
From what I saw from their training (after the RBWI was formed), the
instructors took great delight in beating on junior belts (beyond the
"training effect" of fighting someone of greater skill; I watched a
kid get his toes broken, and the instructor walked away without hardly
a concern for this adherent's well being. That instructor's name was
Robert Bussey...), and went to schools about town telling all the
instructors that they would willingly take on the senior student of
any school to prove their superiority. (Funny story: 2 of their
ninja black belts...at least that's what they said they were...came
into our school and tried their best against one of our junior guys.
They embarassed themselves. Not necessarily because of our guy's
skill, but moreso due to the lack of their own...)
They rapidly became a source of much humor, and the only students that
stayed were the rich kids from West Omaha who didn't know any better
(ala Cobra Kai in Karate Kid movies...). Eventually even they
couldn't swallow the kaka that was being hawked in the RBWI training
centers.
Eventually the RBWI UFC guy (I forget his name) broke away due to
certain ethical disputes with RB himself (I have only heard rumors,
and not wishing to slander anyone I will not post the unsubstantiated
stories, interesting though they be), and started his own
school...that looked EXACTLY like the RBWI classes. Whatever.
My dad was in charge of SWAT training for the Omaha PD, and he did a
background check of RB prior to a SWAT seminar (at which RB told the
cops to piss on rusty lock hinges to keep them from squeeking...),
which showed that RB had only spent about 2 weeks in Japan. This
means that either a) it only takes 2 weeks to master ninjutsu in
Japan, or b) Fremont, Nebraska is crawling with ninja masters with
whom to study. Those of you reading this that may be from Nebraska
know better...
Good to hear from other followups that his organization is dead. That
does wonders for the state of martial arts as a whole.
Jeff Boler
heard rumours about him having some religious conviction, and thus, he
closed his organization.
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
>What was the reasoning for the break down of his organization? I had
>heard rumours about him having some religious conviction, and thus, he
>closed his organization.
>
>
I don't want to get slammed for slander or libel, so I am not going to
post EXACTLY what I heard. Suffice it to say that there were
differences of opinion on multiple aspects of the style and business
between RB and his senior people (most of which have banded together
away from RB) which led, eventually, to the fragmentation of the
organization. Ultimately, the fragment schools are still teaching, at
least from what I can tell, the same stuff that RB was hawking via
RBWI. If you are looking for a good laugh get hold of his training
videos. He's funnier than the Gracies, and they are a giggle factory
(anybody that takes themselves SOOOOO seriously, please!). My
favorite was this pseudo-fighting posture where he kinda bounces in
place then poses at the end. Laughed until my eyes watered first time
I saw it.
Anyway...
Renshi N. Hourston
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com wrote:
>Good to hear from other followups that his organization is dead. That
>does wonders for the state of martial arts as a whole.
I did enjoy watching the RBWI videos, he certainly came across as being
adept at combat, anyways, as for his warriors - on the first UFC video it
shows one of his top Ninjitsu instructors getting a right slamming.
I wrote at one point asking about membership to RBWI and when the info
appeared it was very much a christian organisation which put me right off!
Neil Hourston
http://www.kempo.demon.co.uk
The Love G'd
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
I do not necessarily fault him in his thinking as to his approach to
techniques, and I will say that for those who have the inkling, their
training is as realistic as you can get without stomping somebody's
head for real.
But having taught as an adjunctive instructor in a school which drew
primarily from RBWI as its technical base, I can say that (at least in
that school) traditional training far surpasses their "scientific
street fighting" theories.
Bottom line, there is a reason that the traditional MAs have lasted
long enough to be called traditional...
LEESENSEI
>primarily from RBWI as its technical base, I can say that (at least in
>that school) traditional training far surpasses their "scientific
>street fighting" theories.
>
>Bottom line, there is a reason that the traditional MAs have lasted
>long enough to be called traditional...
Wow that was just such a good comment that I thought that it should be
repeated.
Take care,
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
One side note: Please don't interpret my comments to mean that I
don't appreciate the Ninpotaijutsu that exists. I am going to Japan
in January (military) and there is a dojo on the installation that I
may just have to visit.
While I don't do anything that resembles ninpo stuff, nor do I pretend
to understand much of what I have seen, and while I do not necessarily
agree with what little I have seen or almost understand, it has been
around for as long as it has for a reason.
Bruce was a neat guy, but he didn't come up with anything somebody
hadn't already thougt of (he just got the credit)...
ps6...@navix.net
Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV,
UFC Ultimate Ultimate
Scott Morris UFC II (1-1)
first fight he finished his opp in less than 30 sec, I was ringside in
his corner.
Matt Anderson UFC IX, Extreme Fighting
veteren
Jeremy Horn
UFC VIIX (beatup Frank Shamrock pretty good and will return in the next
UFC event in Brazil ) Extreme Challenge Light Heavyweight Champ (9-3-3)
took Dan Severn to a draw giving up a ton of weight to Severn.
Brian Dunn Extreme
Fighting (8-2-1)
Jesse Jones Extreme
Fighting (8-2)
Not bad for a small orgainization that never really trained to be in the ring. What has your orgainization done in NHB ?
RBWI is not dead only underground...
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com wrote:
On Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:28:25 +0100, "Renshi N. Hourston"
<info[ns]@kempo.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <35afd1d0...@usenet.flinthills.com> ,
>wol...@nospam.flinthills.com wrote:
>
>>Good to hear from other followups that his organization is dead. That
>>does wonders for the state of martial arts as a whole.
>
>I did enjoy watching the RBWI videos, he certainly came across as being
>adept at combat, anyways, as for his warriors - on the first UFC video it
>shows one of his top Ninjitsu instructors getting a right slamming.
>
>I wrote at one point asking about membership to RBWI and when the info
>appeared it was very much a christian organisation which put me right off!
>
>Neil Hourston
>http://www.kempo.demon.co.uk
I do not necessarily fault him in his thinking as to his approach to
techniques, and I will say that for those who have the inkling, their
training is as realistic as you can get without stomping somebody's
head for real.
But having taught as an adjunctive instructor in a school which drew
David A Ross
> quite a few NHB & UFC fighters:
Scott Morris: did you forget to mention that he was pounded into
submission in what was probably the bloodiest UFC match to date by Pat
Smith?
Matt Anderson and Jeremy Horn may have started out with your
organization but moved on to train Muay Thai and Brazilian Jujistu.
Don't know the last two people??
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
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>Everyone is entitled to there own opinion however RBWI has produced quite a few
>NHB & UFC fighters:
>
>Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV, UFC Ultimate Ultimate
>Scott Morris UFC II (1-1) first fight he finished his opp in less than 30
>sec, I was ringside in his corner.
>Matt Anderson UFC IX, Extreme Fighting veteren
>Jeremy Horn UFC VIIX (beatup Frank Shamrock pretty good and will return in
>the next UFC event in Brazil ) Extreme Challenge Light Heavyweight Champ
>(9-3-3) took Dan Severn to a draw giving up a ton of weight to Severn.
>Brian Dunn Extreme Fighting (8-2-1)
>Jesse Jones Extreme Fighting (8-2)
>
>
>Not bad for a small orgainization that never really trained to be in the ring.
>What has your orgainization done in NHB ?
>
>RBWI is not dead only underground...
>
Bear in mind I *never* stated that the RBWI folks were incompetent,
nor incapable. I did say that their organization lacked a certain
sense of compassion for its own. Even the Army Rangers care for their
own troopies, while on the other side of the coin they are willing to
do virtually anything to subdue their opponents (75% losses in combat
are considered acceptable).
These are only my opinions, and they are like certain sphincter
muscles in the human body; i.e. everybody has one. I saw something I
*really* didn't approve of, and saw similar things over and over
during visits to their classes. You don't brutalize your students,
you train them. Big difference in my way of thinking.
Jennum did a good job, but first time round he did have the advantage
of not having to fight during the first elimination round. The Pat
Smith debacle was egg on the face of RBWI everywhere (especially since
mustache man talked so much smack in the prefight interview :-) He
really got stomped, and by a TKD guy no less!!!)
Again, it was the organization that I didn't care for. Some of the
techniques lack thinking through (i.e. forward rolling up to your
waiting opponent in order to attack him...not too bright), but there
is no questioning their orientation in training. Much like boxing,
they get good at fighting by fighting. Makes a certain amount of
sense, huh?
xixix...@my-dejanews.com
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 22:17:23 -0500, ps6...@navix.net wrote:
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few
> >NHB & UFC fighters:
> >
> >Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV, UFC Ultimate Ultimate
> >Scott Morris UFC II (1-1) first fight he finished his opp in less than 30
> >sec, I was ringside in his corner.
> >Matt Anderson UFC IX, Extreme Fighting veteren
> >Jeremy Horn UFC VIIX (beatup Frank Shamrock pretty good and will return
in
> >the next UFC event in Brazil ) Extreme Challenge Light Heavyweight Champ
> >(9-3-3) took Dan Severn to a draw giving up a ton of weight to Severn.
> >Brian Dunn Extreme Fighting (8-2-1)
> >Jesse Jones Extreme Fighting (8-2)
> >
> >
> >Not bad for a small orgainization that never really trained to be in the
ring.
> >What has your orgainization done in NHB ?
> >
> >RBWI is not dead only underground...
> >
> nor incapable. I did say that their organization lacked a certain
> sense of compassion for its own. Even the Army Rangers care for their
> own troopies, while on the other side of the coin they are willing to
> do virtually anything to subdue their opponents (75% losses in combat
> are considered acceptable).
>
> These are only my opinions, and they are like certain sphincter
> muscles in the human body; i.e. everybody has one. I saw something I
> *really* didn't approve of, and saw similar things over and over
> during visits to their classes. You don't brutalize your students,
> you train them. Big difference in my way of thinking.
>
> Jennum did a good job, but first time round he did have the advantage
> of not having to fight during the first elimination round. The Pat
> Smith debacle was egg on the face of RBWI everywhere (especially since
> mustache man talked so much smack in the prefight interview :-) He
> really got stomped, and by a TKD guy no less!!!)
>
> Again, it was the organization that I didn't care for. Some of the
> techniques lack thinking through (i.e. forward rolling up to your
> waiting opponent in order to attack him...not too bright), but there
> is no questioning their orientation in training. Much like boxing,
> they get good at fighting by fighting. Makes a certain amount of
> sense, huh?
>
what is funny about RBWI is that they originally claimed to be a form of Ninpo
and given that their members clammer to be in NHB proves they know nothing
about the art..... and THAT is where Bussey has he ascending notoriety, and
given his fraud status there the whole basis of RBWI seems pretty dubious
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top of his lungs. Good show of Ninpo skills there. Was that part of the
how to take a beating program?
David A Ross wrote:
> > Everyone is entitled to there own opinion however RBWI has produced
> > quite a few NHB & UFC fighters:
>
Rob Zook
>
>
> Everyone is entitled to there own opinion however RBWI has produced
> quite a few NHB & UFC fighters:
>
> Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV, UFC Ultimate Ultimate
In UFC III Steve Jennum claimed he was trained "togakure ryu" ninjutsu?
That made me think he was involved
in Bujinkan. Has he said otherwise somewhere?
Rob Z.
ps6...@navix.net
Masaaki Hatsume in 1979. Steve Jennum aquired his black belt under Robert
Bussey in the late 80's before Bussey made the switch to RBWI and leaving
the Ninjutsu path. Jennum ran an "RBWI Branch" school for several years
until around 91-92, then he left with a few other RBWI Intructors and
formed their own school now called the Tai Jitsu Academy in Millard, NE.
Rob Zook wrote:
> ps6...@navix.net wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Everyone is entitled to there own opinion however RBWI has produced
> > quite a few NHB & UFC fighters:
> >
> > Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV, UFC Ultimate Ultimate
>
wol...@nospam.flinthills.com
wrote:
>ps6...@navix.net wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is entitled to there own opinion however RBWI has produced
>> quite a few NHB & UFC fighters:
>>
>> Steve Jennum UFC III Champ, UFC IV, UFC Ultimate Ultimate
>
>In UFC III Steve Jennum claimed he was trained "togakure ryu" ninjutsu?
>That made me think he was involved
>in Bujinkan. Has he said otherwise somewhere?
>
>
>Rob Z.
>
Bussey claimed that he taught Togakure ryu. He started teaching just
after the big Ninja craze broke out in the '80s. At that time he was
not necessarily accepted by Hayes' people, nor Hatsumi's for that
matter (Bussey's religious dedication to Christianity and his
subsequent rejection of the more esoteric teachings of Hatsumi and
Hayes led to their separation), but there wasn't yet created an
international ninja group. I believe (and I may be speaking out of
turn here, as I am not a ninja-guy) the Bujinkan didn't start until
several years after Bussey broke away, and several years before he
started his RBWI fiasco. He was still called a ninja-guy when he was
(and I always wondered who started this) nicknamed the "King of
Combat," and it was just a little after this that he started the RBWI
thing (he always had a penchant for weight lifting pants and clothing,
so he started RBWI so he could make it their official uniform...).
LEESENSEI
>there are many stories, but the claim that he is a Ninpo blackbelt is quite
>likely false no matter how much RBWI crap gets posted in my newsgroup....
>
>zeeb
>
>
Robert Bussey is not a representative of the Bujinkan Dojo and he was never a
Shidoshi or licensed teacher. He did train for a very short while in Japan
with Nagato sensei, who is a Bujinkan Dojo Shihan as well as a former Judo and
kickboxing champion in Japan.
Basicaly the story about Bussey's rank is this. While he was training in
Japan, he kept making comments about his skill and the skill and rank of others
that were training. He would make comments to the effect that he was better
than others, and should be ranked higher etc. Nagato Sensei grew tired of this
attitude and basically said, " you think that you are so good, well then I will
promote you to Yondan, and you can take the Godan test and we will see how good
you are. Of course Mr. Bussey was in no way ready for the Godan test, and he
quickly left Japan without ever taking the test.
Mr. Bussey may well be a good martial artist, but certainly not in Bujinkan
Dojo Budo Taijutsu. And I am quite sure that Mr. Nagato would dearly love to
have the chance to do a little one on one training with Mr. Bussey. I don't
think that Mr. Bussey will be returning to Japan any time soon.