Judo: Sachernosky and Traditionalism
Charles Yeomans
Scott Taddiken <sat...@inmind.com> wrote:
>I'm pretty cheesed off. The latest Black Belt mag had a full page
>advertizement for the ISTJ, International Society of Traditional Judo,
>apparently founded by Sachernosky (who?).
>
Apparently this guy heads up some sort of "world sokeship
council", which appears to be a mutual certification
society. You've probably been too busy training to
notice that whenever a new Japanese title is discovered
by people in the states, there shortly follows a
rash of people who are now "soke", or "shihan",
or "dai-*", etc.
Charles Yeomans
assistant soke, Bob's traditional school of hai-karate
BBartell
Okinawan martial arts long before any of you were born. The ZEN KOKUSEI
SOKE BUDO/BUGEI RENMEI was the first non-asian Sokeship Commission founded
in the Western world. Rod Sacharnoski is the president of JUKO KAI
INTERNATIONAL and established ZKSBBR in 1970. This in the ONLY KNOWN NON
ASIAN foundership commission that has FULL asian recognition and
sponsorship in OKINAWA/JAPAN. There is no other commission known in the
western world. Sacharnoski is the ONLY KNOWN non asian SOKE/10 DAN in the
western world that has such recognition in writing from OKINAWA/JAPAN
Other Sokes with legitiment ranking under ZKSBBR as of 1994.
Randall Brown, soke shodai, AKUMI-RYU BUJUTSU REMMEI,USA
Joseph Droual, soke shodai, CHOWA-RYU REMMEI, USA
William Durbin, soke shodai, KIYOJUTE-RYU KEMPO BUJUTSU REMMEI, USA
Norman Garrison, soke shodai, KAESHI-RYU YAWARA REMMEI, USA
Michael Hancock, soke shodai, SHINMEI SHORIN-RYU REMMEI, USA
Harold Mead, soke shodai, SEIYO-NO SHORIN-RYU REMMEI, USA
Clair McCall, soke nidai, OIKIRU-RYU TAIJUTSU REMMEI,USA
Michael Park, soke shodai, SEIKAI KO-BUJUTSU KYOKAI, USA
George Parulski jr , soke shodai, SEIBUKAN USA
Daniel Pate, soke nidai, OIKIRU-RYU AIKIJUTSU REMMEI, USA
Brian Walsh, soke shodai, KODAI-TYU BUJUTSU REMMEI, ENGLAND
Bill Zahopoulos, soke shodai, OKINAWA TE-TAI REMMEI, GREECE
only a few more have been added in 1995.
BARTELL
JUKO KAI INTERNATIONAL
Neil Ohlenkamp
>
>Rod Sacharnoski was granted a sokeship to teach traditoinal Japanese and
>Okinawan martial arts long before any of you were born. The ZEN KOKUSEI
>SOKE BUDO/BUGEI RENMEI was the first non-asian Sokeship Commission
founded
>in the Western world. Rod Sacharnoski is the president of JUKO KAI
>INTERNATIONAL and established ZKSBBR in 1970. This in the ONLY KNOWN
NON
>ASIAN foundership commission that has FULL asian recognition and
>sponsorship in OKINAWA/JAPAN. There is no other commission known in the
>western world. Sacharnoski is the ONLY KNOWN non asian SOKE/10 DAN in
the
>western world that has such recognition in writing from OKINAWA/JAPAN
I'm sorry but I don't get what this means. Who in Japan granted such
recognition? What is a "non-asian foundership commission with full
recognition in Japan" and why is that significant? What is a sokeship in
"martial arts"? Could you be a bit more specific? Just asking.
--
Neil Ohlenkamp
http://www.rain.org/~ssa/judo.htm
Scott Taddiken
: Rod Sacharnoski was granted a sokeship to teach traditoinal Japanese and
: Okinawan martial arts long before any of you were born.
Fine. I'm more relaxed now. But facts are facts, and what he is
espousing as traditional judo is decidedly not traditional, in the sense
that it is a pretty thorough break from Kano's judo.
This is fine with me. I just hope that noone is actually duped by it.
I hope that those who *want* to go to a judo-kai school find one nearby;
and I hope that those who *want* to practice judo as it was devised by
Kano find a judo club.
KENSHO
names are recognizable. Please inform us of the rest of the info. Thanks?
Regards,
Jim
BBartell
Yoshin Ryu Bujutsu, Juko Kai Traditional Judo, 2nd Generation Soke of
Oikiru-Budo/ Bujutsu.
It is not the point of having created an art, it is done all the time by
our great Western culture. The fact that is trying to be portrayed is the
art a recognized art by real martial artists and real martail art unions,
or by sport players and movie stars. Or is it another person putting
together a bunch of techniques from movies and magazines. It is done all
the time.
Sacharnoski holds 10th Dan rankings in many arts. These rankings are far
from self promotion. Sacharnoki's inheritence of Dai Yoshin Ryu Bujutsu
is from his trianing with the Chijiro Yokota. Dai Yoshin Ryu Bujutsu is a
great samuri art consisting of many branched arts, Aikijutsu, Jujutsu,
Bo-jutsu, Jo-jutsu, Naginata-jutsu, Iai-jutsu and many more together.
Bartell
BBartell
All Seidokan Motobu-ryu Martial Arts Remmei (Okinawa, Japan)
All Japan Seibukan Martial Arts and Ways (Kyoto, Japan)
Shian Toma Soke 10th Dan/ President All Seidokan Motobu-ryu Martial Arts
Remmei, Shorin Ryu, Motobu Ryu, Toide, Goju Ryu, Kobudo, and many more
Fusie Kise Soke/10th Dan President of the all Okinawan Shorin Ryu
Kenshinkan Karate and Kobudo Remmei Okinawa/ Japan
Sacharnoski is also 14th generation of Dai Yoshin Ryu Bujutsu a famous
samuri art of Japan inherited directly from the recently deceased Chijiro
Koei Yokota, 13th generation soke.
Bartell
Juko Kai International
Dakin Burdick
advertise themselves as 7th & 5th dan respectively in
Hakutsuru Shorin-ryu Karate Jutsu division of Juko-Kai International
under Dr. Rod Sacharnoski. They are teaching in Bloomington,
Indiana, now, and I wanted to find out more about them. How long
have they been training? etc. Thanks!
Dakin
Brad Webb
This is interesting ... I just found a Juko Kai school in Dallas
(I'm sure it's probably been here several years), with several
gentleman teaching, I'll have to go look up the names but the training
history was what caught my eye...
Chief Instr. 20yrs exp=8th dan in one art, 10th dan in another, etc.
Senior Instr. 12yrs exp=7th dan in one art, dan ranks in several others
Instr. 20yrs exp=6th dan in one art, dan ranks in others.
I'm skeptical. But then maybe I was just raised in a different tradition.
Brad.
--
Brad Webb, reply to:erw...@rwasic33.aud.alcatel.com (mine bounces)
Japan Shotokan Dallas,TX. Nortel, Inc. (214)684-1737
(214) 231-4922 Me represent NT? I think not.
Seek perfection of character. Don't make them laugh so hard.
Dakin Burdick
BBartell <bbar...@aol.com> wrote:
>In member of Juko Kai Internatinal has the proper training in all arts
>they claim to teach.
Gosh! None of them ever lie? That's amazing. Somehow Juko Kai Intl.
has found the power to eliminate all bad people from the world. We
all should join JKI so that there will be no more bad people who
lie, cheat and steal. Hear the Good News People!
By the way, I just wanted to know if the Bartsch's had that
rank with JKI and how long they had been practicing. I wasn't
attacking RS or JKI.
>If you are interested in taking a class with these particular instructors
>you will not be dissappointed.
much snipped.
I just asked a question, I didn't want a ton of marketing tossed on
me. I'm happy teaching kid's karate, the tkd club, and six classes
at the university. I just wanted to know about their background
because they are now my martial arts neighbours.
Dakin
Scott Taddiken
: If you are interested in taking a class with these particular instructors
: you will not be dissappointed. Remeber this is not a sport martial art
: Karate Jutsu is definetly combat oriented. If you are interested in real
: martial arts then take advantage and with them you will be able to travel
: around the US and see other real martial artist not movie stars and
: Olympic champians REAL TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS of Okinawa and Japan
I can't let this go by.
Traditional judo supports competition. This is evident from reading
virtually anything Kano ever wrote, and from looking at the early history
of judo.
It would be better for the Judo-Kai folk to call themselves Karate Jutsu
Kai, or some such. They have no right to call themselves more
traditional in the judo sense than we judoka.
Brad Webb
|> In article <44hpuo$7...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
|> BBartell <bbar...@aol.com> wrote:
|> >In member of Juko Kai Internatinal has the proper training in all arts
|> >they claim to teach.
|>
Snipped Dakin's annoyed response...
|>
|> Dakin
I think he was talking to me....