Kenpo lineage and current high rank list
The Traveller
top rank people in Kenpo in the US. Is there a place in the net
where I can find a list of kenpo black belts (4th dan and above)? Also,
how many holders of 6th dan and above are there in the US?
Thanks
The Traveller
Mark Urbin <ecl...@ultranet.com> wrote:
>dra...@aol.com (DRAYGIN) wrote:
>>> Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of
>>>>others. Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>>>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
>>Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
>>I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
>>Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
>
> Ok, let's get this stright. Parker gave Cerio a 9th dan ranking, but not in Kenpo.
>Just what did he give the the rank for? Nick Cerio was the Northeast coordinator
>or some such title for the IKKA for a while. If GM Parker didn't give him a 9th dan
>in American Kenpo Karate, just what did he give him ranking in and what qualified
>him to do it?
>
>
Has anyone heard of a 7th dan Robert Lee? And what rank is Jeff Speakman?
Thanks
-F.
Dave Sheehy
: Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of others.
: Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
: an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
Planas did NOT get his 8th dan from Parker. A group of senior black belts
on the West Coast awarded Planas his 8th dan. Although Parker offered the
promotion to 8th dan on several occasions Planas turned them all down.
Dave Sheehy
Mark Urbin
>Hi. I was wondering that now that Ed Parker passed away who are the
>top rank people in Kenpo in the US. Is there a place in the net
>where I can find a list of kenpo black belts (4th dan and above)? Also,
>how many holders of 6th dan and above are there in the US?
Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of others.
Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
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Ummm...... well there are many of them. From many different styles.
You best bet would be to limit your search down to just one style first.
I.e. the Parker school or the Tracy school or the Cerio school.
The next tip is this: contact the hombu of whichever school you are
looking for. I believe that most of them are listed in the Kenpo/Kempo
FAQ.
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DRAYGIN
others.
>Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
-BOB
Mark Urbin
Ok, let's get this stright. Parker gave Cerio a 9th dan ranking, but not in Kenpo.
Just what did he give the the rank for? Nick Cerio was the Northeast coordinator
or some such title for the IKKA for a while. If GM Parker didn't give him a 9th dan
in American Kenpo Karate, just what did he give him ranking in and what qualified
him to do it?
ra...@lehigh.edu
es:
>chu...@goya.its.rpi.edu (The Traveller) wrote:
>>Hi. I was wondering that now that Ed Parker passed away who are the
>>top rank people in Kenpo in the US. Is there a place in the net
>>where I can find a list of kenpo black belts (4th dan and above)? Also,
>>how many holders of 6th dan and above are there in the US?
>
>Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
>
>
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Paul Micciche
>dra...@aol.com (DRAYGIN) wrote:
>>> Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of
>>>>others. Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>>>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
>>Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
>>I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
>>Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
>
> Ok, let's get this stright. Parker gave Cerio a 9th dan ranking, but not in Kenpo.
>Just what did he give the the rank for? Nick Cerio was the Northeast coordinator
>or some such title for the IKKA for a while. If GM Parker didn't give him a 9th dan
>in American Kenpo Karate, just what did he give him ranking in and what qualified
>him to do it?
>
>
Let me correct this. Master Parker promoted Professor Nick Cerio to 9th Degree
Black Belt in American Kenpo Karate. I saw his certificate.
Sensei Paul Micciche
*******
FistlawUKS
basically
politics and how much you've done, or can do for the system. ($$$)"
I couldn't agree with you more.
Joseph Abello
United Kenpo Systems/Worldwide Kenpo Karate Association
Mark Urbin
>In article <3l5d45$p...@caesar.ultra.net>, ecl...@ultranet.com (Mark Urbin) writ
>es:
>> Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of others.
>>Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
Ok...don't be a tease. Don't say he wasn't promoted by Parker without saying
who *did* promote him.
Damien Martin
was correct. He was promoted to 7th by Parker then to 8th by the WKKA
after Parker was deceased. The same goes for Joe Palanzo. Thats as far
as I know of. But that does not diminish their accomplishments or rank.
They truly deserve what they have earned.
ra...@lehigh.edu
writes:
>Mark Urbin (ecl...@ultranet.com) wrote:
>: Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of others.
>: Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
>: an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
>
>on the West Coast awarded Planas his 8th dan. Although Parker offered the
>promotion to 8th dan on several occasions Planas turned them all down.
>
>Dave Sheehy
>
>
(that of course doesn't mean anything). All of the top ranked Kenpo people:
Palanzo, Planas, Trejo, Tatum, Sullivan, ..... are great (there are many, many
more). I think they were all promoted to 7th dan by Parker. I certainly don't
question the rank of 8th dan of Palanzo, Planas, Trejo and Sullivan and the 9th
of Tatum. If people acknowledge the rank then they are that rank.
Lakedaimon
Kenpo stylists in the New England area." "Prominent KENPO Leaders .......
were appointed to conduct the affairs of this newly formed organization."
Basically what happened was Parker was contacted by the Cogliandro's in MA
so they could join the IKKA due to some problems with other Kenpo people
in the area. Parker saw a golden opportunity to cash in and maybe get a
foothold in the east and signed them up. To make things official he also
signed up Nick Cerio, Nancy Cerio, Leo Williams, and Kalaii Griffin. I
believe another Kenpoist in the area, Villiari (sic) was considered a
threat as he started opening schools all over. So Parker did some
obligatory promotions in "American Kenpo Karate" and waited for the above
to start signing up IKKA members. The problem is a IKKA membership does
not a "Parker Black Belt" make.
Lake
Dave Sheehy
: Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
: Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
Ok, here's a point for discussion. When I say someone is a Parker nth dan then
I mean that that person was promoted by Parker himself. By that definition
anyone promoted after Parker's death is an IKKA (or whatever organization) nth
dan. Is that the same way you all use the term and is there anybody who would
disagree with using the term that way in the future?
Dave Sheehy
QUARK
>From: laked...@aol.com (Lakedaimon)
>Subject: Re: Kenpo lineage and current high rank li
>Date: 28 Mar 1995 21:15:12 -0500
>Lake
Parker did some "obligatory promotions"? This is an understatement. I
believe Elvis was a high ranked black belt in Parker's school and if one looks
at pictures of his "stance", it's downright difficult to keep from bursting
out laughing. So much for Parker "belt ranks"...
Lakedaimon
bunch of them got together afterwards and promoted each other. OK in my
book, Joes certainly an 8th if any of the others are. If anybody should of
been head of the IKKA, it's him.
On Parker promotions of others not of his system of Kenpo, basically
politics and how much you've done, or can do for the system. ($$$)
Lake
Mike
>From: ecl...@ultranet.com (Mark Urbin)
>Subject: Re: Kenpo lineage and current high rank list
>Date: Mon, 27 Mar 95 13:17:42 GMT
>dra...@aol.com (DRAYGIN) wrote:
Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of
others. Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarded
an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
I think Mr Valez is ranked 8th or 9th.. Does anybody know who the highest
woman ranked in the IKKA?
Brian Rush
>
>Has anyone heard of a 7th dan Robert Lee? And what rank is Jeff Speakman?
>
Last I saw, Speakman was 4th dan. He sometimes taught at Bryan Hawkins's
school in West L.A. Both he and Hawkins were 4th dan when I got there
in early 93. Hawkins was promoted to 5th dan in 93 or 94. I haven't been
there for almost a year, so Speakman is at most 5th, but probably still 4th.
I do not know if either of them got their black belt promotions from Parker
himself, but they both refered to trainging directly under him at some time.
I *think* they got at least their 1st dan from Parker himself (proably along
with a committee of other black belts).
- Brian
Brian Rush
>
>Parker did some "obligatory promotions"? This is an understatement. I
>believe Elvis was a high ranked black belt in Parker's school and if one looks
>at pictures of his "stance", it's downright difficult to keep from bursting
>out laughing. So much for Parker "belt ranks"...
Elvis may very well have been a special case. I don't think it's fair to
doubt other Parker promotions because of Elvis.
The shakey story that I heard 4th-hand is: Parker spent a lot of
1-on-1 time with Elvis, that Elvis liked MAs a lot and picked up Kenpo
at least quicker than the average person (he was, by the way, pretty
athletic until he got old and fat). Elvis did earn several belts for real,
maybe including up to brown if not even black. The higher-than-1st-dan
ranks were most definitely symbolic/obligatory/whatever. If his stance
looked *that* bad, then I wouldn't think he could have earned even
1st dan, but maybe that was a bad picture.
- Brian
ra...@lehigh.edu
writes:
>>>> Top ranked in what? You got the IKKA, WKKA, UKS, and a host of
>>>>>others. Nick Cerio was awarded 9th Dan by Parker, Richard Planas was awarde
d
>>>>an 8th dan by Parker. Elvis was also an IKKA 8th dan, but he's dead...
>>>Richard Planas, Joe Palanzo and Frank Trejo are the only Parker Kenpo 8ths
>>>I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
>>>Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
>>
n Kenpo.
>>Just what did he give the the rank for? Nick Cerio was the Northeast coordin
ator
>>or some such title for the IKKA for a while. If GM Parker didn't give him a
9th dan
>>in American Kenpo Karate, just what did he give him ranking in and what qualif
ied
>>him to do it?
>>
>>
>
>
>
>-F.
>
>
>
>
Speakman was just promoted to 5th dan. Don't ask me by whom.
ra...@lehigh.edu
too.far (QUARK) writes:
>In article <3lafrg$f...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> laked...@aol.com (Lakedaimon) w
rites:
>>From: laked...@aol.com (Lakedaimon)
>>Subject: Re: Kenpo lineage and current high rank li
>>Date: 28 Mar 1995 21:15:12 -0500
>
>>"On March 5, 1983, the IKKA formed a new organization to encompass all
>>Kenpo stylists in the New England area." "Prominent KENPO Leaders .......
>>were appointed to conduct the affairs of this newly formed organization."
>
>>Basically what happened was Parker was contacted by the Cogliandro's in MA
>>so they could join the IKKA due to some problems with other Kenpo people
>>in the area. Parker saw a golden opportunity to cash in and maybe get a
>>foothold in the east and signed them up. To make things official he also
>>signed up Nick Cerio, Nancy Cerio, Leo Williams, and Kalaii Griffin. I
>>believe another Kenpoist in the area, Villiari (sic) was considered a
>>threat as he started opening schools all over. So Parker did some
>>obligatory promotions in "American Kenpo Karate" and waited for the above
>>to start signing up IKKA members. The problem is a IKKA membership does
>>not a "Parker Black Belt" make.
>
>>Lake
>
>believe Elvis was a high ranked black belt in Parker's school and if one looks
>at pictures of his "stance", it's downright difficult to keep from bursting
>out laughing. So much for Parker "belt ranks"...
>
seen a picture of him in a kenpo neutral bow.
Lakedaimon
>>believe Elvis was a high ranked black belt in Parker's school and if one
looks
>>at pictures of his "stance", it's downright difficult to keep from
bursting
>>out laughing. So much for Parker "belt ranks"...
I remember at the time how disturbing it was to watch all those
_outsiders_ join the IKKA, have Mr Parker do a seminar for them, and then
wind up being kicked up a rank, especially since the majority of them
didn't have a clue regarding Parker's System. Afterwards then having to
listen to these newly ranked "experts" provide their insights inot the art
.... PLEASE.
So I asked Mr Parker one day about it saying it seems more advantageous to
be from another Kenpo System then part of yours. He replied that _he_
knew who his people were and that the IKKA was a business, just as his
schools were, to provide for him and his family. Obligatory kicks was just
part of doing business to provide the incentive for the newbies to
organize their schools under the IKKA and/or, to give them the rank they
needed in their area to be respected. Believe it or not, many people still
equate rank with skill. <g>
Always remember, Mr Parker was very proud of the fact he started the first
commercial Karate school in America. Luckily for us he also had the System
to go with it!
DRAYGIN
>Date: 27 Mar 1995 15:13:56 -0500Huk Planas was not promoted to 8th dan by
>Parker.
Unless you were there, manny people who were said Mr. Parker did promote
Mr. Planas to 8th.
DRAYGIN
dan
>(that of course doesn't mean anything). All of the top ranked Kenpo
people:
>Palanzo, Planas, Trejo, Tatum, Sullivan, ..... are great (there are many,
many
>more). I think they were all promoted to 7th dan by Parker. I certainly
don't
>question the rank of 8th dan of Palanzo, Planas, Trejo and Sullivan and
the 9th
>of Tatum. If people acknowledge the rank then they are that rank.
I agree with you in all but the case of Larry Tatum. Mr. Tatum was
promoted to 5th or 6th by Parler as far as I know. Do you just add a
stripe a year after that?
-Bob
Lakedaimon
was posed that way for the picture only.
<g>
Actually, Mr Parker always maintained that Elvis was very skilled in Kenpo
and a quick read of his book, Elvis and I,or something like that,
basically provides the same impression.
Besides, leave Elvis alone, there's enough other self/friend promoted
Kenpo BB's out there to question about their high ranks and where they
came from.
The best one I've seen of late is in BLACK BELT Mag AD where one of the
Head guys said that his most recent promotion was in accordance with the
by-laws of the association, in which NO MEMBER is exempt! Cool, create
your own association, write the by-laws and say, gee, anyone who's cool
enough to do this must be a nth degree. Well, heck, the by-laws say I
should now be a higher dan. Hmmm, I'll ask my buddy over here who will
also be raised a rank or two what he thinks? Seems to me that if the
by-laws say you should be super nth degree you better accept the
promotion, as NO MEMBER is exempt! PLEASE. Who do these guys think
they're fooling????
As Mr Parker was frequent to say "The belt might show it, but it doesn't
mean they know it".
Michael Mullis
8ths
>I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
>Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
>
Also do not forget others above 4th Dan.
In the East IKKA, you also have Brian Heins, 5th dan (and my instructor),
Jim Fredericks.
And also do not forget Jeff Speakman, who is now 5th dan, and Skip
Hancock (4th Dan), Ernie George (6th dan), and Mike (I think that's his
first name) Valez from Arizona (7th dan). Most of these guys are West
IKKA except for Speakman who is UKS.
Mike Mullis
Joppatowne, MD.
XAK...@prodigy.com
FistlawUKS
degree black belt in Kenpo.
FistlawUKS
the same time. That's at least what my fellow classmates have told me.
Lakedaimon
>I know of and I know of no 9ths. Nick serio was given a 9th but not for
>Kenpo. This comes from the best sources available about Mr. Cerio.
Mr Cerio actually studied with Professor Chow for a time and his school is
called
Nick Cerio's Kenpo Karate Studio, so to say his rank is not in Kenpo is a
little hard to believe. He was also regional director of the New England
IKKA as appointed by Mr Parker and listed as a 9th degree. Best check
your sources ...
Lab User
name of:
SHOKENKAI KENPO KARATE
The headquarter is supposed to be somewhere in MA. Is it affiliated to anyone of
the major Kenpo Organization? Can anybody tell me about its history, high ranking
people, and anything else about the style.
Thank You
Dave Sheehy
: I think Mr Valez is ranked 8th or 9th.. Does anybody know who the highest
: woman ranked in the IKKA?
I would guess that it's either Diane Tanaka and/or Barbara Hale.
Dave Sheehy
Dave Sheehy
: >Lehigh.EDU wrote,
I missed the actual promotional ceremony but my sensei was involved with
the movement to award Huk his 8th dan. There would have been no need for that
if Parker had promoted him.
Dave Sheehy
Dave Sheehy
: ... and Mike (I think that's his
: IKKA except for Speakman who is UKS.
I believe you're thinking of Gilbert Velez.
Dave Sheehy
DRAYGIN
>Speakman was just promoted to 5th dan. Don't ask me by whom.
Frank Trejo and a group of other high ranking black belts promoted him.
DRAYGIN
>I think Mr Valez is ranked 8th or 9th.. Does anybody know who the
highest
>woman ranked in the IKKA?
I belive Dorene Callihandro, excuse the spelling please, is the highest
ranked woman in the IKKA.
DRAYGIN
>Mr Cerio actually studied with Professor Chow for a time and his school
is
>called
>Nick Cerio's Kenpo Karate Studio, so to say his rank is not in Kenpo is a
>little hard to believe. He was also regional director of the New England
>IKKA as appointed by Mr Parker and listed as a 9th degree. Best check
>your sources ...
Sorry I though Mr. Parkers son was a good enough source. Yours was?
Lakedaimon
No disrespect intended ...
I was there with Mr Parker and assisted him (target) for several seminars
during that period when the NE IKKA was being formed. Mr Cerio was top
guy as appointed by Mr Parker to head it up. I still have the original
paperwork with the designations listing both Cerio and his wife as
officers of the NE IKKA.
That's cool to hear Ed Jr is taking an interest in his father's system.
Back in the 60-80's he was seldom ever a presence in the system. Mr
Parker used to comment that his son's interest was not strong in Kenpo and
he more into the arts. (Drawing, design, etc.)
ryan
And Parker's son, does anyone know his rank?
ra...@lehigh.edu
writes:
>Don't forget about Steve Fox, 5th Dan under Parker.
>
>And Parker's son, does anyone know his rank?
>
Mark Urbin
>>> Sorry I though Mr. Parkers son was a good enough source. Yours was?
>No disrespect intended ...
>I was there with Mr Parker and assisted him (target) for several seminars
>during that period when the NE IKKA was being formed. Mr Cerio was top
>guy as appointed by Mr Parker to head it up. I still have the original
>paperwork with the designations listing both Cerio and his wife as
>officers of the NE IKKA.
is highly ranked in the IKKA. He has the paperwork and other sources,
like Lakedaimon back it up.
One of the orginal questions had to do with Mr. Cerio's style. How much
of it is Parker's American Kenpo? If someone wanted to learn Parker style
American Kenpo, would that person be better off going to an Parker trained
(not just IKKA ranked) 2nd dan than he would going to a Nick Cerio Kenpo
Karate studio?
Lakedaimon says he was there, at the time. Can he provide insight into
the 'style' of Kenpo practiced by the NE IKKA as opposed to the Kenpo
practiced by the West Coast IKKA?
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much
//of it is Parker's American Kenpo? If someone wanted to learn Parker
style
//American Kenpo, would that person be better off going to an Parker
trained
//(not just IKKA ranked) 2nd dan than he would going to a Nick Cerio Kenpo
//Karate studio?
// Lakedaimon says he was there, at the time. Can he provide insight
into
//the 'style' of Kenpo practiced by the NE IKKA as opposed to the Kenpo
//practiced by the West Coast IKKA?
Thank you Mark ...
At Parker seminars you really never got the chance to see too much of what
the locals were doing in the form of technique as everyone was basically
doing foot manuvers. But I do have an issue of "Oriental Fighting Arts"
from April 1975 with a bio and system background on Mr Cerio.
According to the article, Mr Cerio began training under Prof Chow in 1965
and mentions the standard "Kenpo is a combination of ..." mumbo jumbo. It
said Mr Cerio made many trips to study with Chow who finally awarded him a
5th degree Black in KENPO. Mr Cerio then went on to learn HakkoRyu to
"expand his knowledge". Mr Cerio then went on to study with G.F.Chen who
taught him Sim Lum. Mr Cerio explians that his Kenpo System is a 80% hands
and the standard a block is regarded as a strike.
IMHO, from what the little I saw of Mr Cerio and his students, and the
demonstrated techniques in the magazine, the system appears to be somewhat
like the early Parker techniques which can be found in Parker's first
book, Kenpo Karate, 1960. It's definitely Kenpo as it includes the checks
we've all comee to love and the close in strikes associated with Kenpo.
I'm also very sure that Mr Cerio's system has continued to evolve since
1975 when the article was published, and mid-eighties when I was at the
seminars.
As for comparing the systems of the WC IKKA and the NE IKKA, let's
remember that the IKKA is association of a related system, and the
differences between Kenpo Schools basically fall into two catagories,
Parker's System, and the others. From what I saw in NE, there was very
little Parker Kenpo at the time. Some of the members were doing the
transition thing to Parker's System, but most were there to be associated
with Parker. I'm sure in the last 10+ years some of them are now Parker
Kenpo, while the rest are a variation of Mr Cerios.
Hope this was of interest and I would most certainly default to one of Mr
Cerio's students, or another member of the NE IKKA who may wish to add
their recollectiions.
Cheesedog7
Fredrich P. Maney
> SHOKENKAI KENPO KARATE
> Thank You
Never heard of it, but this does bring up a very important point.
There are many different styles of Kempo/Kenpo with their own unique
lineages and high ranking people. It seems kind of arrogant (ignorant?)
to talk about them in the sense that they are all the same or that
only one of them is important (in this case I am referring to the apparent
believe that the only Kenpo and Kenpoka are affiliated with Ed Parker and
the IKKA). Oh well, this is probably falling on deaf ears (eyes?) anyway.
fpsm
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