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Seacat

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?

I have a problem with my feet hurting whenever I'm in a stance too long.
When I do Tai Chi, for instance, I can go about 10-15 minutes or so (various
moves, not just one stance) and then the arches and muscles of my feet start
to really hurt. I know it's the muscles, 'cuz I can walk and stretch them
out and they feel better, but then when I start again, pretty soon their
hurting again too.

Would something like Tiger Balm help this situation? It's starting to
seriously screw up my practice. Thanks.

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yogi1st

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Try the tiger balm as a last resort. Are you warming up/starting with chi
gung? This should help to remove blockage or cramping, maybe your feet are
hurting because their simply getting stronger while developing your stances.

Seacat wrote in message ...

R.Baker

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Seacat wrote:
>
> Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?
>
> I have a problem with my feet hurting whenever I'm in a stance too long.
> When I do Tai Chi, for instance, I can go about 10-15 minutes or so (various
> moves, not just one stance) and then the arches and muscles of my feet start
> to really hurt. I know it's the muscles, 'cuz I can walk and stretch them
> out and they feel better, but then when I start again, pretty soon their
> hurting again too.
>
> Would something like Tiger Balm help this situation? It's starting to
> seriously screw up my practice. Thanks.
>
> --
> Seacat
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> Homepage: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/s/e/seacat/
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> http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/s/e/seacat/muscle.htm
I had to stop taichi for the same exact reason. I am glad (&sad) that
I am not the only one with that problem. I have come to realize that
it is a circulation problem (with me anyway). Best wishes in figuring
it out!
Roy
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Joji

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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In addition to my regular martial arts classes I take Tai Chi. As part of
our warm up our instructor has us pound the bottoms of our feet lightly with
our fist (starting with the right foot) then we massage our feet and our
calves. This helps get our circulation going. For aching feet he also
suggests taking a broom handle (without the brush part) or a dowel about the
same thickness and placing it on the floor and rolling your feet back and
forth across it. I've done this and it really does help with aching feet.

Hope this helps.

Jackie

Cynthia Burrows

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Seacat wrote:

> Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?
>
> I have a problem with my feet hurting whenever I'm in a stance too long.
> When I do Tai Chi, for instance, I can go about 10-15 minutes or so (various
> moves, not just one stance) and then the arches and muscles of my feet start
> to really hurt. I know it's the muscles, 'cuz I can walk and stretch them
> out and they feel better, but then when I start again, pretty soon their
> hurting again too.
>
> Would something like Tiger Balm help this situation? It's starting to
> seriously screw up my practice. Thanks.
>
> --
> Seacat
> seacat-at-bellsouth-dot-net
> Homepage: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/s/e/seacat/
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> http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/s/e/seacat/muscle.htm

Hi:

If your arches are getting sore and you feel stretching helps your problem might
actually be in the calf muscles. There are 2 major muscles that come down from
the calf on ethier side under the arch forming a 'stirup'. To stretch them do
all the typical calf stretches as well as flexing your feet and toes backand at
the same time as turning your heel to the left and right to feel an arch
stretch. Massage your feet before and after class to keep the muscles loose.
When sitting try stretching your toes forward by placing your foot flat on the
ground and lifting your toes up then out as you bring them down.

Hope this helps.

Mimi


Mark S Goldberg

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Jun 28, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/28/99
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Seacat wrote:

> Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?
>
> I have a problem with my feet hurting whenever I'm in a stance too long.
> When I do Tai Chi, for instance, I can go about 10-15 minutes or so (various
> moves, not just one stance) and then the arches and muscles of my feet start
> to really hurt. I know it's the muscles, 'cuz I can walk and stretch them
> out and they feel better, but then when I start again, pretty soon their
> hurting again too.
>
> Would something like Tiger Balm help this situation? It's starting to
> seriously screw up my practice. Thanks.
>
> --
> Seacat
>

Make an appointment with someone in your area who is a specialist in the foot.
Someone who can take the time to evaluate your problem and then make the
approrpriate accommodations to allow for your activity. With all due respect to
the people who suggest solutions- they have no expertise or they wouldn't waste
time advising you about a problem of which they have no adequate data to
properly evaluate.

Mark Goldberg


Erik Harris

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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In article <3777...@grouper.exis.net>, "Joji" <hb...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>In addition to my regular martial arts classes I take Tai Chi. As part of

What does this mean? Do you study Taiji irregularly, or do you consider it an
irregular martial art?

Erik Harris esh7@c_rnell.edu
http://w3.to/erik ICQ: 2610172
Chinese Martial Arts Assoc @ Cornell: http://w3.to/CMAAC/

To avoid Spam-bots, my address at the top is INCORRECT.
Change the underscore to an "o".

headrush

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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Sounds like your arches need to get in condition. How long have you had
this problem? Are you just getting back or starting Tai Chi?

Tiger Balm will not solve the problem because your arches will just have
to recover and get stronger. Its like any other muscle except you use
them a lot for walking. A lot of stretching and massaging should help
in recovering from the soreness.

A favorite massaging technique of mine is to slide my foot across one of
the "feet" of my office chair. The chair foot is the part just above
the rollers. Do this slow and deliberate and work it in deep. I can do
this while I work on the computer at the same time. You can add more
pressure by using more body weight. This massaging helps more than the
stretching.

In the future, I would recommend adding one or two exercises to keep
your arches in-shape. Standing calf raises will help to stretch them
out as well as strengthen the arches.

Seacat (emailme:sea...@bellsouth.net) wrote:
: Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?

: I have a problem with my feet hurting whenever I'm in a stance too long.
: When I do Tai Chi, for instance, I can go about 10-15 minutes or so (various
: moves, not just one stance) and then the arches and muscles of my feet start
: to really hurt. I know it's the muscles, 'cuz I can walk and stretch them
: out and they feel better, but then when I start again, pretty soon their
: hurting again too.

: Would something like Tiger Balm help this situation? It's starting to
: seriously screw up my practice. Thanks.

: --
: Seacat
: seacat-at-bellsouth-dot-net

Seacat

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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Good idea. I'll try it. Thanks.

Seacat

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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yogi1st wrote in message <7l7vh6$2qhq$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>Try the tiger balm as a last resort. Are you warming up/starting with chi
>gung? This should help to remove blockage or cramping, maybe your feet
are
>hurting because their simply getting stronger while developing your
stances.

No, to be honest, I'm doing it off a tape (I know, but it's all I can do
right now). I can't get past the beginning warm ups and stances practice
before they start hurting too much. I have noticed, however, that I seem to
find myself gripping the floor with my toes a lot. Don't know why.

Seacat

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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Thanks for the response.

I believe I have abnormally high arches anyway. As a rule, my feet hurt
after standing for a few hours, even with special inserts. Doctors have
bascially responded with an "Oh well, so what" attitude, leaving me to try
to find a solution on my own.

I did Kung Fu many years ago, but this is my first attempt at Tai Chi. I'm
trying to get back into shape. I've been doing weight training and calf
raises about once every week or so. Maybe I should increase the frequency.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them.

Seacat

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Jun 29, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/29/99
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Ok, thanks. About how long should I try stretching them out? Been trying
several seconds, but should I go longer maybe? My legs seem to really want
to resist stretching.

Thanks.

yogi1st

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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How long are you doing your stances? reduce it by half and relax!
Here's a great exercise to help you relax and prepare for training. Close
your eye's and stand still with your hands at your sides, bend your knees a
little "not a lot" almost go limp. (i.e. feel like your limp in the legs,
hips, shoulders, arms and neck. Listen/feel what your body is doing.
"beginners wobble in this stance" To correct this (keep your eyes closed,
correct your footing till you find your center [i.e. your balance, and you
will quit wobbling] you will have found something most martial artist
forget about "their center". For now listen/feel your body and stand in
this position till your breathing becomes natural and relaxed, i.e. you
almost
want to go to sleep standing up). Everytime you get cramped, wiggle it out
and return to this stance(even for a couple of seconds, it will help) then
go
on training.

Seacat wrote in message ...
>yogi1st wrote in message <7l7vh6$2qhq$1...@newssvr01-int.news.prodigy.com>...
>>Try the tiger balm as a last resort. Are you warming up/starting with
chi
>>gung? This should help to remove blockage or cramping, maybe your feet
>are
>>hurting because their simply getting stronger while developing your
>stances.
>
>No, to be honest, I'm doing it off a tape (I know, but it's all I can do
>right now). I can't get past the beginning warm ups and stances practice
>before they start hurting too much. I have noticed, however, that I seem to
>find myself gripping the floor with my toes a lot. Don't know why.
>

MHeller

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Jun 30, 1999, 3:00:00 AM6/30/99
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You really should get yourself a teacher, your problem sounds like its linked
to improper technique. I would suggest that you do standing chi gung to
strengthen your lower body. To do this stand with your heels up against a wall
with your legs spread slightly wider than shoulder width. Bend your knees
until you sink to a level you can comfortably maintain. Relax your arms and
hold them curved out in front of you as if you had a huge belly and were
holding it. You should stand erect so that your heels, buttocks, and shoulder
blades are in contact with the wall. Assume this position and over time lower
your stance until you can stand in a deep stance for 15 minutes, then you have
a sufficiently strong lower body for correct practice. While you're standing
you can work on relaxing every muscle that's not absolutely needed to hold you
in your posture, you'll also notice that at the beginning you'll be constantly
breaking contact with the wall. This indicates that your strength is not
sufficient to hold your body in correct alignment.

This type of practice is neglected and almost totally unknown in this country
but forms the basis of teaching in China. Traditionally the beginning student
would only do this type of practice for the first year of their studies. Thus
at the end they were strong enough to do the forms without injury.

Again get yourself a good teacher. Trying to learn Tai Chi from a tape is like
trying to learn brain surgery from a tape. I think it's impossible.

MikeH


Seacat wrote:

> Thanks for the response.
>
> I believe I have abnormally high arches anyway. As a rule, my feet hurt
> after standing for a few hours, even with special inserts. Doctors have
> bascially responded with an "Oh well, so what" attitude, leaving me to try
> to find a solution on my own.
>
> I did Kung Fu many years ago, but this is my first attempt at Tai Chi. I'm
> trying to get back into shape. I've been doing weight training and calf
> raises about once every week or so. Maybe I should increase the frequency.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions. I'll try them.
>

GOU RONIN®

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"Seacat" <emailme:sea...@bellsouth.net> scribbled with their crayola:

>Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?

Just don't scratch your nuts after you apply it.

Trust me.


GOU RONIN® - The Unforgiven...
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headrush

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GOU RONIN® (kenpo_ro...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: "Seacat" <emailme:sea...@bellsouth.net> scribbled with their crayola:

: >Would Tiger Balm be good to use on sore feet?

: Just don't scratch your nuts after you apply it.

: Trust me.


Its not the nuts to worry about. Just don't put it on the peepee hole.

Trust me. Uhhh...actually I have never done it. Really....

autumn...@gmail.com

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