Goju
GojuMaster
I am a Goju practitioner. Is anyone out there interested in talking
about Goju or its parent art White Crane Kung Fu?
moo...@pipeline.com
In article <3234A4...@tingley.net>, GojuMaster writes:
>I am a Goju practitioner. Is anyone out there interested in talking
>about Goju or its parent art White Crane Kung Fu?
>
moo...@usa.pipline.com
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Damon Stone
In <3234A4...@tingley.net> 's post, GojuMaster says...
>
>I am a Goju practitioner. Is anyone out there interested in talking
>about Goju or its parent art White Crane Kung Fu?
Sure talk away I'm listening.
Who is your instructor what lineage is s/he from. How long have you studied.
GojuMaster
My instructor is Tony Madamba in Orlando FL. He is directly under Morio
Higaonna of the IOGKF. I have been training for 10+ years. What about
you? What branch of Goju do you come from? What are your
favorite kata/training methods/etc.? Also, do you have any interest in
White Crane?
Thomas Snell
Beatle (fa...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au) writes:
> I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
> Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
> discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
> we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
>
> Faye
I think that the Goju people are out there but we just don't participate
in the useless discussions that take place here. I know that I have
better things to do with my time than to consider if a duck could throw
and elephant. Yes that was really discussed here and people gave it
serious thought.
I have noticed that most of the Goju people are coming forward and saying
that there is no talk here but no one is starting anything...so here goes.
The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese Goju
(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
they thought of each.
Ok there is a start. Go to it peoples.
--
Thomas Snell | YOUR WORD
ch...@freenet.carleton.ca | IS
bu...@freenet.uchsc.edu | YOUR BOND
Alan Salmi
In article <51dl13$g...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
> The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese Goju
> (Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
> influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
> they thought of each.
>
I noticed in chicago that there only appears to be one place to learn
goju, the local ymca. I'm wondering if you can give me a brief idea of
the style, some of the differences from other forms of japanese karate,
what kata are like, etc. It may well help with getting the discussion
going here on goju.
from: Alan Salmi, Chicago, IL morp...@tezcat.com
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G. Michael Paine
In article <51bc9c$f...@aggedor.rmit.EDU.AU>, fa...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au
(Beatle) wrote:
> I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
> Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
> discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
> we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
>
> Faye
Faye,
Yes, I agrree. I look in on this group now and then and there is little
or nothing on true Goju.
A shame but if you are connected with someone who studied in Okinawa you
will know that the Okinawa styles spend little time in self-advertisement.
Being of an older tradition they prefer to practice their art rather than
talk about it.
Regards,
Michael
--
Michael Paine
g...@lamg.com
Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens.
Julie
Thomas Snell wrote:
>
> Beatle (fa...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au) writes:
> > I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
> > Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
> > discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
> > we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
Yep, lots of Goju folks wander in and out of here. About a year ago I posted that I
would like to talk to some Gojo stylists and asked if there were any, could they contact
me. Over 500 people sent me mail!!!!!
I have honestly been away from this group for quite some time so will refrain from any
speculation as to why the lack of discussion until I catch up.
Julie
Dark Shadow
ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
[SNIP]
>The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese Goju
>(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
>influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
>they thought of each.
>Ok there is a start. Go to it peoples
HI... It is nice to see a few other people on here that are studying Goju as
well.. I am studyting Canadian Goju Ry myself. I am just kind of starting out
myself and I am glad to see that there are others that are at least studying in
Goju, even if it isn't the same style I am taking.
Jamie
The offical Undernet IRC #phonesex homepage at
http://www.mnsi.net/~baillie/phone.htm
Lots of great links to various places.. stop by and check it
out!
Dylan Frederickson
>
> I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
> Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
> discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
> we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
>
>
>--
>--
Hi there,
I too train in goju-ryu. I'm up for some goju discussion. True,
between work and training, I don't get around to posting much.
See ya,
Dylan
Thomas Snell
Dark Shadow (dark...@phish.nether.net) writes:
>
> HI... It is nice to see a few other people on here that are studying Goju as
> well.. I am studyting Canadian Goju Ry myself. I am just kind of starting out
> myself and I am glad to see that there are others that are at least studying in
> Goju, even if it isn't the same style I am taking.
>
> Jamie
Much of the Canada Goju is of the Yamaguchi influence. Meaning that most
of the Canada Goju clubs perform the Taikyoku katas from the Goju kai
system. This systems takes influences from Yamaguchi (of course) Peter
Urban in New York and Bob Dalgleish. Of course a major player in Japanese
Goju in Ontario is Don Warrener. Warrener was franchised across the
province but for various reasons which should be discussed here has since
gotten drastically smaller.
A good Goju club is hard to find but they are out there. I think that
many of the people here are right. A lot of Goju people read this group
but choose not to respond the garbage that is here. If you are diligent
though you can find some articles that are very interesting and not loaded
with BS.
On a side note...I am trying to track the lineage of Goju in Canada and a
proper history of Goju in Canada. Much of the information that is
available is apocryphal or wildly inacurrate.
By lineage I don't mean my lineage traced back. I am looking for who
brought it to Canada. Who had the first dojo...who were is students etc...
I know that O'Sensei Richard Kim has done a lot for Goju in western Canada
but he does not get to the Eastern end too often.
Dylan Frederickson
In article <51j1em$4...@backup.mnsi.net>, dark...@phish.nether.net
says...
>
>ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>>The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese
Goju
>>(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
>>influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and
what
>>they thought of each.
>
>>Ok there is a start. Go to it peoples
>
Goju as
>well.. I am studyting Canadian Goju Ry myself. I am just kind of
starting out
>myself and I am glad to see that there are others that are at least
studying in
>Goju, even if it isn't the same style I am taking.
>
> Jamie
>
>
>
I initially started in japanese goju for my first year or so,
but then we gradually changed to okinawan goju which I've been doing
for 3 yrs or so. Personally, I liked the change. It's good to see some
goju talk here.
Bye,
Dylan
>
Dylan Frederickson
>
>
>Beatle (fa...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au) writes:
>> I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
>> Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
>> discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
>> we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
>>
>> Faye
>
>in the useless discussions that take place here. I know that I have
>better things to do with my time than to consider if a duck could throw
>and elephant. Yes that was really discussed here and people gave it
>serious thought.
>
>I have noticed that most of the Goju people are coming forward and saying
>that there is no talk here but no one is starting anything...so here goes.
>
>(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
>influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
>they thought of each.
>
Hi there,
My club made that same change starting about 3.5 yrs ago. I did
the japanese style for my first 8-12 months at the club, then the change
started. Although my exposure to the japanese style was relatively limited,
I definitely think the change was for the better.
Anybody interested in discussing the differences between the two?
If anybody keeps this rolling I'll jump back in.
Could this be turning into a goju thread?....:) I hope so:)
Later all,
Dylan
GojuMaster
My old dojo made the transition from Japanese to Okinawan Goju partly
due to my training in Okinawan Goju. My fellow instructors agreed that
there was a depth to the Okinawan training that was noticable in both
kata and basics training. I enjoy the smaller, smoother techniques
stressed in the Okinawan style. The bunkai was also stressed more than
in the Japanese counterpart. These are, of course, only my opinion.
Bye the way, I currently train in Orlando, FL under Tony Madamba (a
long-time student of Morio Higaonna).
Please reply.
Russ L. Smith
Thomas Snell
Dylan Frederickson (dyl...@intergate.bc.ca) writes:
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> My club made that same change starting about 3.5 yrs ago. I did
> the japanese style for my first 8-12 months at the club, then the change
> started. Although my exposure to the japanese style was relatively limited,
> I definitely think the change was for the better.
>
> Anybody interested in discussing the differences between the two?
> If anybody keeps this rolling I'll jump back in.
>
I studied the Japanese Goju for four years. In fact I received my shodan
under that system. The club is now leading towards to Okinawan mainly due
to the lack of Japanese in the Ottawa area.
I have heard that the Japanese form of Goju is merely the first level and
that the Okinawan is the advanced level. (this came from a source that
studies Okinawan so it might be a little biased) I must say though that
this would hold some weight because Yamaguchi only studied with Miyagi for
only 3 months. Just long enough to learn the basics (very basics) of the
style.
Can anyone confirm or deny this and what is the source of your
information. As I said in a previous posting, I am trying to track the
history of Goju. This information may not provide solid evidence but
might let me draw a reasonable conclusion as to what has happened inthe
last 60 years.
cindy
In article <51ktuo$d...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>, dyl...@intergate.bc.ca (Dylan Frederickson) says:
>
>In article <51j1em$4...@backup.mnsi.net>, dark...@phish.nether.net
>says...
>>
>>ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>Goju
>>>(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
>>>influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and
>what
>>>they thought of each.
>>
>>
>>HI... It is nice to see a few other people on here that are studying
>Goju as
>>well.. I am studyting Canadian Goju Ry myself. I am just kind of
>starting out
>>myself and I am glad to see that there are others that are at least
>studying in
>>Goju, even if it isn't the same style I am taking.
>>
>> Jamie
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi there,
>
> I initially started in japanese goju for my first year or so,
>but then we gradually changed to okinawan goju which I've been doing
>for 3 yrs or so. Personally, I liked the change. It's good to see some
>goju talk here.
>
> Bye,
> Dylan
>
>>
>
I hve been studing Goju (okinawan) for one month and
am enjoying it !!
cindy
Dave
Hi I know that alot of the Goju people up here are on the net. Here's a
hello from Yellowknife in the NWT Canada. I think that we may have one of
the most northerly Goju Dojo in the world. I read Blackbelt and martial
Arts and alot of the other magazines but ya know it seems there is more
bitching about different styles and whos the best and complaining about
Gracie than enough. I would like to see more of the techniques shown and
more explanations. Alot of our infor mation comes from videos that a friend
has or that we buy. There is only so much time in class with our sensei to
gleen this information. I think that our system is excellent but I have
learned alot from other friends in different styles which I incorporate
into my own when I am sparring. however I am a very big believer in
tradition when it comes to my kata
rgds/to
Dylan Frederickson <dyl...@intergate.bc.ca> wrote in article
<51nuip$q...@carrera.intergate.bc.ca>...
> In article <51dl13$g...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
> says...
> >
> >
> >Beatle (fa...@otto.bf.rmit.edu.au) writes:
> >> I have resumed training recently and now I study under Shihan
> >> Max Fabris in Australia. I too have noticed a lack of Goju
> >> discussion here, perhaps there aren't many of us on the net,
> >> we're all too busy training in the dojo. :)
> >>
> >> Faye
> >
> >I think that the Goju people are out there but we just don't participate
> >in the useless discussions that take place here. I know that I have
> >better things to do with my time than to consider if a duck could throw
> >and elephant. Yes that was really discussed here and people gave it
> >serious thought.
> >
> >I have noticed that most of the Goju people are coming forward and
saying
> >that there is no talk here but no one is starting anything...so here
goes.
> >
> >The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese
Goju
> >(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
> >influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
> >they thought of each.
> >
> >Ok there is a start. Go to it peoples.
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Thomas Snell | YOUR WORD
> >ch...@freenet.carleton.ca | IS
> >bu...@freenet.uchsc.edu | YOUR BOND
>
>
> Hi there,
>
> My club made that same change starting about 3.5 yrs ago. I did
> the japanese style for my first 8-12 months at the club, then the change
> started. Although my exposure to the japanese style was relatively
limited,
> I definitely think the change was for the better.
>
> Anybody interested in discussing the differences between the two?
> If anybody keeps this rolling I'll jump back in.
>
sco...@grove.ufl.edu
I am currently a HachiKyu in the Okinawan Sho-Rei Shobu Kan Goju-Ryu
System. Although, I have not taken the Japanese style of Goju-Ryu, I
highly recommend the Okinawan style for its strong foundations in Kata,
Kata Bunkais, and Kisos. Although it is the only system I have studied,
it has given me a strong basis for solid striking and effective blocking
techniques, and at the higher levels, lends itself well to grappling.
I am also glad to see other students of Goju-Ryu, no matter which style
they are taking, considering we have the same original founder.
Scott
"Adage - Boned wisdom for weak teeth"
-Ambrose Bierce
On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, Dark Shadow wrote:
> ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
>
> [SNIP]
>
> >The club where I am training is starting to switch from the Japanese Goju
> >(Yamaguchi influence) to the Okinawan or Meibukan Goju (the Yagi
> >influence). I was wondering if anyone has studied both systems and what
> >they thought of each.
>
> >Ok there is a start. Go to it peoples
>
> HI... It is nice to see a few other people on here that are studying Goju as
> well.. I am studyting Canadian Goju Ry myself. I am just kind of starting out
> myself and I am glad to see that there are others that are at least studying in
> Goju, even if it isn't the same style I am taking.
>
> Jamie
>
>
>
>
Neil Levitsky
ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Thomas Snell) wrote:
<snip>
>I have heard that the Japanese form of Goju is merely the first level and
>that the Okinawan is the advanced level. (this came from a source that
>studies Okinawan so it might be a little biased) I must say though that
>this would hold some weight because Yamaguchi only studied with Miyagi for
>only 3 months. Just long enough to learn the basics (very basics) of the
>style.
>Can anyone confirm or deny this and what is the source of your
>information. As I said in a previous posting, I am trying to track the
>history of Goju. This information may not provide solid evidence but
>might let me draw a reasonable conclusion as to what has happened inthe
>last 60 years.
>--
>Thomas Snell | YOUR WORD
>ch...@freenet.carleton.ca | IS
>bu...@freenet.uchsc.edu | YOUR BOND
I have been studying japanese goju in Toronto (via canadian Martial
Arts Commission), for almost 1and a half years ( after doing tae kwon
do almost as long). So basically I consider myself a beginner
(although have my blue belt)
While our style is Japanese (I understand that my sensei's sensei
studied with Richard Kim and Peter Urban), we sometimes learn Okinawan
katas, specifically to allow us to see the differences, and to force
us to be aware of small details. For example, we learn Gekisai Itch
and Ni, and then also learn the okinawan Gekisai Dai Itch and Gekisai
Dai Ni.
I suspect that discussions of which is better, more effective or
deeper, Japanese or okinawan goju, will get us nowhere. All styles
have their advantages, and one's training is only as good as one's
sensei is. Much time is wasted on rec.martial-arts (IMHO) debating
the benefits of one art or one style over another.
Apparently, Sensei Miyagi taught each of his disciples different
things, according to their body type, etc. Also, I've heard it said
that the low stances of Okinawan karate suit those with shorter,
stockier builds.
Anyway, I love Goju ryu, and am very glad I ended up studying it.
Anyone out there a member of a CMAC dojo in Ontario (under head sensei
Wallace Platt) ? I train at the central Toronto dojo under sensei
Patrice Williams.
Neil Levitsky
N...@inforamp.net
Thomas Snell
(sco...@grove.ufl.edu) writes:
> I am currently a HachiKyu in the Okinawan Sho-Rei Shobu Kan Goju-Ryu
> System. Although, I have not taken the Japanese style of Goju-Ryu, I
> highly recommend the Okinawan style for its strong foundations in Kata,
> Kata Bunkais, and Kisos. Although it is the only system I have studied,
> it has given me a strong basis for solid striking and effective blocking
> techniques, and at the higher levels, lends itself well to grappling.
> I am also glad to see other students of Goju-Ryu, no matter which style
> they are taking, considering we have the same original founder.
>
> Scott
The Japanese Goju does tend to have a lot of focus on kata and basics.
However I don't feel that we spent enough time on bunkai. We have studied
some applications to which I have since modified to something..well a
little less drastic and a little more practicle.
Playing around with the bunkai is half the fun of learning kata. That is
where you really learn what karate is all about. More time needs to be
spent in class discussing and teaching/learning bunkai. Does anyone know
any good books or sources to find bunkai for Goju kata.
The main ones I am working on right now are Saifa, Seiunchin (of course),
and Shisochin (Shi Sho chi I have seen numerous spellings of this one).
--------
It is better to sweat in practice than to bleed in battle.
MRkapel
What kata feels most natural for your body type
Thomas Snell
MRkapel (mrk...@aol.com) writes:
> What kata feels most natural for your body type
For me, I have two kata that I really enjoy. The first and my favorite is
seiunchin. The flow and different paces throughout the kata make it a fun
but difficult kata to do.
In my opinion the one that I perform the best (at least how I feel about
my kata) is saifa. This is a fast fun to perform kata. I can always
perform saifa and get a good feeling as to power and focus.
Bill Northlich
I like sanseru. On it's face it is v. simple, but it has many subtile
things and many advanced versions of more basic movements introduced in
earlier katas.
Thomas Snell <ch...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article
<527qg4$e...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...
BJfist
Hi, I am a brown belt in Goju from the Arkansas area and 1st. dan in USTA
taekwondo and the USTF. and Goju has always been my preference,
I would love to find a Goju school in my area Lafayette, LA. if any info
please
let me know.
Thank you BJFIST.