Gene LeBell: Is he as good as everyone says?
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contemporary of his and said he was very tough. That was high praise
coming from my instructor. They had faced each other in the late sixties
in Japan as pro wrestlers and LeBell earned the respect of my instructor
for his toughness and skill of technique. My instructor had trained with
the top Japanese fighters and the great Karl Gotch so I tend to take him
at his word when he says someone is good.
For What it's
Worth,
FrankM
==========Sean, 2/27/96==========
I was just wondering if anyone has ever met Mr. LeBell and knows whether
he is as good as everyone says. I watched the fight between one of his
few black belts and Carlos Gracie Jr. in Battlecade and was disappointed
that Gene's student wasn't more agressive. He seemed to be doing his best
from going to the ground when he is supposed to be an expert on the ground
and shouldn't mind being there. This is not a flame against Gene LeBell,
I have watched his video tapes and he is impressive. I had read that Gene
LeBell trains on his ground work at the Machados dojo, and his stand up
throws and so forth at a couple of other places. Is there any Machado
students out there who have seen Gene LeBell in action and can vouch for
his skills. Would he be comparable to a Royce or Rickson if he were in
his prime?
Thanks in advance for the information.
suresh maximin
> would say he is at least as good as any Gracie, when he was in his prime.
> I think the challange was in Inside Karate or somthing. It was an article
> about Royce challangeing Benny the Jet and/or Gene Labelle. Benny said
ok! but
> no fight ever took place. Gene said he was too old to fight Royce, BUT ,
would
> happily fight Helio.
> l8r RAH
hey genius, helio is 82 years old. gene was presumably being sarcastic in
his response to royce.
Don Geddis
> suresh maximin (kri...@interport.net) wrote:
> > hey genius, helio is 82 years old. gene was presumably being sarcastic in
> > his response to royce.
In article <4hctk3$e...@hpax.cup.hp.com>, rte...@cup.hp.com writes:
> Judo Gene isn't much younger than Helio. I suspect Gene would be willing to
> still take on most anyone, near his age...
I think Gene LeBell is in his 60's, and Helio is in his 80's. Not only that,
but Helio is probably around 130 lbs. and LeBell is likely much more (180?).
Those aren't trivial physical differences.
-- Don
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If I come back as a horsefly, I think my favorite thing would be to land on
someone's lip. Even if they smash you, ick!, you're all over their lip!
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey
Don Geddis
In article <Dnswv...@news2.new-york.net>, wi...@bc.cybernex.net writes:
> I wanna know why Royce challenged a man well over twice his age...
He didn't. Gene LeBell just got confused, and you're continuing to spread
the confusion.
Royce won the initial UFCs. People were saying that the UFCs didn't have
quality opponents (except for Royce). Art Davie published a letter listing
a bunch of famous martial arts names (including LeBell), saying that if any
of them wanted to be in the UFC they were welcome. This was merely to make
it clear that he wasn't intentionally excluding quality opponents just so
Royce could win, which was a rumor at the time. Note that this letter had
nothing to do with Royce or the Gracies, except that Royce was a successful
UFC competitor. Specifically, it was not connected with the "Gracie
challenge".
Separately, Benny "The Jet" (famous kickboxer) claimed he could easily beat
Royce. This did turn into a formal challenge, which Benny declined to follow
up on. Gene LeBell is good friends with Benny, and wished to support him.
LeBell got confused between the real challenge with Benny, and Davie's UFC
letter listing LeBell's name. Gene "responded" to a challenge which had never
existed.
-- Don
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Don Geddis Ged...@CS.Stanford.EDU http://www.stanford.edu/~geddis/
I wish scientists would come up with a way to make dogs a lot bigger, but with
a smaller head. That way, they'd still be good as watchdogs, but they wouldn't
eat so much. -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey
msab...@clstac.is.csupomona.edu
On 5 Mar 1996, Jeff Boler wrote:
> Supposedly, Gene LeBell defeated Bruce Lee on the set of one of his
> movies, by using a Sankaku Jime, which is why Bruce showed Bolo Yueng
> getting out of that technique in Enter the Dragon. Also, he defeated
> Steven Segal on the set of one of his movies.
>
>
>
yeah right! i heard Lebell also defeated jacky chan on the set of one
of his movies. and Lebell defeated Jet Li on the set of one of his movies
Why don't you cut to bullshit and get the facts straight.
John Charles Kennedy
especially an actor, is tough. I mean be real, the fights in the, movies arn't
real! They are correographed. Its very believable that a good ground fighter
like LeBell would(or did) easily win in all of the above fights. I think its
just hard for some people to admit that their icons and styles aren't quite as
deadly as they had imagined.
Pedro Alberto Oliveira
>Supposedly, Gene LeBell defeated Bruce Lee on the set of one of his
>movies, by using a Sankaku Jime, which is why Bruce showed Bolo Yueng
>getting out of that technique in Enter the Dragon. Also, he defeated
>Steven Segal on the set of one of his movies.
>
be able to distinct that cinema and real fights aren't the same thing.
This Gene LeBell says he is the best. How old is he? I believe that if
he's so good, he'd better fight. Foreman is an oldman and still fights.
Why doesn't LeBell do the same?
Pedro Oliveira
Brad Webb
Because LeBell is approx 70 years old.
Brad.
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DrFrankn1
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> proves it.
???I didn't see a single stand-up striker triumph over a groundfighter.
Gary Goodridge has a mix of stand-up and grappling. Kuk Sool Wan is the
most balanced of all the Korean Arts. It is much easier to end up on the
ground than it is to stay on your feet all the time.
Desmond Chan
: ZAK...@prodigy.com (Jeff Boler) wrote:
: >Supposedly, Gene LeBell defeated Bruce Lee on the set of one of his
: >movies, by using a Sankaku Jime, which is why Bruce showed Bolo Yueng
: >getting out of that technique in Enter the Dragon. Also, he defeated
: >Steven Segal on the set of one of his movies.
: >
: Who is Bruce Lee? Who is Steven Segal? They're only actors.
I wouldn't jump to this conclusion.
: People should
: be able to distinct that cinema and real fights aren't the same thing.
Yes. So because you haven't seen them in real fight, you concluded that
they are no good?
: This Gene LeBell says he is the best. How old is he? I believe that if
: he's so good, he'd better fight. Foreman is an oldman and still fights.
: Why doesn't LeBell do the same?
I think people fight for different reasons. I don't think if you are good
you have to fight, even though there are those who are not got but they
still fight.
Regards,
D Chan
Don Malandra
portray in the movies is absolutly no reflection of what their REAL
world fighting skills are NOR can they be judged by their screen
acrobatics as real fighters. In other words, they have to demo their
real skills in the real world before any judgement.
Don M.
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In article <4hl1lt$r...@News.Dal.Ca>, dc...@is.dal.ca (Desmond Chan)
wrote:
>John Charles Kennedy (kennej5) wrote:
>: Why does everyone think Lee, Li, Chan, or any other stand up
fighter,
>: especially an actor, is tough.
>
>Not sure what you meant by tough. Mind definding it?
>
>: I mean be real, the fights in the, movies arn't
>: real!
>
>You must have forgot that they also train in martial arts for a very
long
>time. Not sure about Lee and Li, but Jacky Chan started his
training
>when he was still a kid. That said, wthout seeing them fighting in
real
>life, it's hard to say they are really good in fighting. But it's
also
>difficult to say they're not, don't you think so?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>D Chan
Sean
notice that
>>he really isn't the best ground fighter.
>
Are you nuts???? Who do you think is the best ground fighter in
the Gracie clan!
REW321
what I gather. I don't know if he's the real thing or not. I wouldn't
believe it until I saw it personally.
Don Pendergraft
> has done some stunt work for Hollywood. But he is the real McKoy.
> I'd like to catch one of his seminars on chokes. They say that he has
> the knack and he can also teach.
>
> Jack W.
He can teach? Hmmm. Who are some of his well known students that have been
anywhere close to as good as him? I cant think of any. You see, Gene is the
real deal and awesome, but he is one guy. Not a product of a system
(GJJ/BJJ).
Don P.