Happy Birthday, Charlie Manson!
wis...@yahoo.com
<dan...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>Today is the 75th birthday of Charles Manson, musician, artist, folk
>hero, and political prisoner currently being crucified in the
>California State Prison at Corcoran.
>
>St. Charlie was born to an unwed teenage mother, who once traded him
>for a pitcher of beer. Charlie eventually took the surname of his
>stepfather, though did not really have much of a relationship with him
>since his mother shipped him off to live with Uncle Jess in West
>Virginia.
>
>Unwilling to play the game, the System locked Charlie up for almost
>his entire youth, and prison was the only real home he had known when
>he was finally paroled in March of 1967.
>
>Charlie found himself drawn to San Francisco, where the legendary
>Summer of Love was about to begin. Charlie fit in quite well with the
>counterculture, and the love and happiness he exuded attracted many
>followers, and soon the Family was born.
>
>Some claim Charlie brainwashed everybody with acid, an accusation he
>rejects since everybody was already on acid when he arrived in San
>Francisco, and in fact some kid on the corner of Haight and Ashbury
>gave him a tab of acid.
>
>Charlie also rejects claims that he recruited members of the Family,
>arguing that he never picked up anyone that somebody else hadn't
>discarded.
>
>St. Charlie became a martyr when he was accused of masterminding the
>murders of some celebrities in the Los Angeles area in 1969. Denied
>of the right to represent himself at trial, Charlie was convicted of
>conspiracy and sentenced to death along with several members of the
>Family.
>
>Whether it was an incredible stroke of luck, fate, or divine
>intervention, Charlie avoided the gas chamber when the California and
>later the U.S. supreme courts overturned the death penalty, commuting
>all death sentences to life in prison.
>
>Since California had no life without parole at the time, Charlie is
>eligible for a parole hearing at least every five years, but will
>obviously never be released, since he is being crucified on the prison
>cross.
>
>The prison system treats Charlie like a rabid dog, throwing him in the
>Hole for the most minor infractions. They seem absolutely terrified of
>this fairly short old man, not because of any physical threat he
>poses, but because of what he represents. Charlie tells the truth,
>and they don't want to hear that, so they crucify him.
>
>But despite the persecution, Charlie's message is being heard, and he
>has fans all around the world. Charlie receives hundreds of letters a
>week from devoted followers - honorary Family members who are there
>with Charlie in spirit, even if we can't be with him in person.
>
>So I wish Charlie a happy birthday, even though he will celebrate in
>the Hole. I'm off to bake a cake in his honor, complete with an 'X'
>in red icing.
>
>= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>"It's just a pile of shit, so why not try to grow some flowers in it?"
>-- Charles Manson
>
Rabid Weasel Lawson
> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
If only it were true...
(IH)
hal
unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
unusual punishment. I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back
public executions for petty crimes. And it's people like you who are
the first to condemn the Muslims do doing exactly what you would do if
you were allowed.
>
>(IH)
The Mighty T.B.
>>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:49 -0700, wismel wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>>
>>If only it were true...
>
> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
> unusual punishment. I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back
> public executions for petty crimes. And it's people like you who are
> the first to condemn the Muslims do doing exactly what you would do if
> you were allowed.
Send your message to Sharon Tate.
Stanley Moore
"The Mighty T.B." <xoxo...@wtf.com> wrote in message
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AND her unborn child. Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
Greendistantstar
> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:10:14 -0600, Rabid Weasel Lawson
> <lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:49 -0700, wismel wrote:
>>
>>> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>> If only it were true...
>
> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
> unusual punishment.
AFAICT the lethal injection process attempts to do just that.
> I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back
> public executions for petty crimes. And it's people like you who are
> the first to condemn the Muslims do doing exactly what you would do if
> you were allowed.
Which Muslim countries have forbidden capital punishment, let alone 'cruel and unusual' punishments?
Being stoned to death for fucking someone else's spouse seems somewhat harsh, wouldn't you say?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Fraser Johnston
"Greendistantstar" <Greendis...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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Lucky there isn't that many stones in hals state.
Fraser
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Only in your mind are muslims and Manson related.
(IH)
hal
<lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 03:20:14 +0000, hal wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:10:14 -0600, Rabid Weasel Lawson
>> <lawson@NO30235SPAM+dayton.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:28:49 -0700, wismel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>>>
>>>If only it were true...
>>
>> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
>> unusual punishment. I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back
>> public executions for petty crimes. And it's people like you who are
>> the first to condemn the Muslims do doing exactly what you would do if
>> you were allowed.
>
>Only in your mind are muslims and Manson related.
you don't read so good do ya?
>
>(IH)
lab~rat >:-)
>On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:01:24 -0800 (PST), DÔøΩnk 1010011010
Charlie shouldn't be in jail. He should be in the nut house. In a
parallel universe he would have a talk show with Ted Nugent and Danny
Bonadouchbag.
That said, one of my collies are named after him, so there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lcD8h6wlO0
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
YumYumPandaburger
Jerry B. Altzman
> hal wrote:
>> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
>> unusual punishment.
> AFAICT the lethal injection process attempts to do just that.
It's not at all clear that lethal injection isn't cruel -- it's SUPPOSED
to be, but the body of scientific literature surrounding it is sparse,
and limited mostly to veterinary euthanasia. It's hard to find competent
doctors to administer everything, since killing "patients" is repugnant
to so many.
Alternatively, we could lock them in a brick box with a 24/7 video
camera trained upon them, feed them 1200 cal/dy of bland food, let them
walk around for 1 hour by themselves at a time of day of someone else's
choosing...we can certainly do that for less than the cost of the
mountains of automatic appeals and lawyers and time spent.
> Being stoned to death for fucking someone else's spouse seems somewhat
> harsh, wouldn't you say?
Depends: if it wuz *my* old lady youse wuz bangin', stoning you wouldn't
be NEARLY painful enough. Unless your feet could scream, you'd go that
way into the wood chipper. By inches.
If it were Hal's wife, that'd be punishment enough!
> GDS
//jbaltz
--
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thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Greendistantstar
> on 11/12/2009 10:30 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>> hal wrote:
>>> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
>>> unusual punishment.
>> AFAICT the lethal injection process attempts to do just that.
>
> It's not at all clear that lethal injection isn't cruel
If it's done correctly, it shouldn't be painful, if that's what you mean by cruel.
>-- it's SUPPOSED to be,
It IS?
>but the body of scientific literature surrounding it is sparse,
> and limited mostly to veterinary euthanasia.
I thought the effects etc of each of the three administered drugs was well known?
>It's hard to find competent
> doctors to administer everything, since killing "patients" is repugnant
> to so many.
Of course, quite understandable. The problem that then arises is using non-medicos to do it, and
that's where complications seem to arise.
> Alternatively, we could lock them in a brick box with a 24/7 video
> camera trained upon them, feed them 1200 cal/dy of bland food, let them
> walk around for 1 hour by themselves at a time of day of someone else's
> choosing...we can certainly do that for less than the cost of the
> mountains of automatic appeals and lawyers and time spent.
Both seem unacceptable. Why can't you smart scientist-types make a real frikkin' Phantom Zone thing?
>> Being stoned to death for fucking someone else's spouse seems somewhat
>> harsh, wouldn't you say?
>
> Depends: if it wuz *my* old lady youse wuz bangin', stoning you wouldn't
> be NEARLY painful enough. Unless your feet could scream, you'd go that
> way into the wood chipper. By inches.
I'm thinking that lethal injection is way better than Sharia law with its grotesque and barbaric
punishments.
> If it were Hal's wife, that'd be punishment enough!
Now *that's* cruel!
GDS
"Let's roll!"
I can't believe it's not a Badger!
Be nice. I'm sure hal's "wife" is perfectly nice for a teen runaway.
Nd if hal ever accidentally leaves the keys to the shackles where she
can reach them we may one day find out.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk
(mobile)
I can't believe it's not a Badger!
wrote:
> Why can't you smart scientist-types make a real frikkin' Phantom Zone thing?
Because Penal Collonies turninto Australia?
;)
Shuurai
> >> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>
> >If only it were true...
>
> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
> unusual punishment.
Unfortunately for... well, everyone... there are people like you who
see more wrong with what Kirk said than with a white supremacist idiot
defending Charles Manson.
> I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back public executions for petty crimes.
Of course, you're the same guy who has said that he'd like to see
people who disagree with him politically lined up against a wall and
shot... in all seriousness, are you trying to win some kind of
Guinness world record for being a hypocrite, or are you just too
fucking stupid to keep track of your own arguments?
> And it's people like you who are the first to condemn the Muslims do doing exactly what you would do if
> you were allowed.
Right... because everyone here is just waiting for the day when they
can fly skyscrapers into buildings, or strap bombs onto their children
and send them into crowds, or stone women to death for daring to show
their face in public, or any of the other fucked up shit that Muslims
around the world are doing, and which assholes like you defend.
Jerry B. Altzman
> Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>> on 11/12/2009 10:30 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>>> hal wrote:
>>>> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
>>>> unusual punishment.
>>> AFAICT the lethal injection process attempts to do just that.
>> It's not at all clear that lethal injection isn't cruel
> If it's done correctly, it shouldn't be painful, if that's what you mean
> by cruel.
>> -- it's SUPPOSED to be,
> It IS?
I meant, it's SUPPOSED to be *NOT* cruel.
>> but the body of scientific literature surrounding it is sparse, and
>> limited mostly to veterinary euthanasia.
> I thought the effects etc of each of the three administered drugs was
> well known?
On animals.
>> It's hard to find competent doctors to administer everything, since
>> killing "patients" is repugnant to so many.
> Of course, quite understandable. The problem that then arises is using
> non-medicos to do it, and that's where complications seem to arise.
Yes, with "I can't find a #%!% vein" to "I stuck it in his !%$!"
to...whatever. That is a major contributor to this.
>> Alternatively, we could lock them in a brick box with a 24/7 video
>> camera trained upon them, feed them 1200 cal/dy of bland food, let
>> them walk around for 1 hour by themselves at a time of day of someone
>> else's choosing...we can certainly do that for less than the cost of
>> the mountains of automatic appeals and lawyers and time spent.
> Both seem unacceptable. Why can't you smart scientist-types make a real
> frikkin' Phantom Zone thing?
We're busy trying to build Obama-powered solar panels.
>>> Being stoned to death for fucking someone else's spouse seems
>>> somewhat harsh, wouldn't you say?
>> Depends: if it wuz *my* old lady youse wuz bangin', stoning you
>> wouldn't be NEARLY painful enough. Unless your feet could scream,
>> you'd go that way into the wood chipper. By inches.
> I'm thinking that lethal injection is way better than Sharia law with
> its grotesque and barbaric punishments.
<voice persona="Emily Litella">Never mind</voice>.
>> If it were Hal's wife, that'd be punishment enough!
> Now *that's* cruel!
Could be worse. Could be Wannabe's mum.
hal
<shuu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>>
>> >If only it were true...
>>
>> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids cruel and
>> unusual punishment. =A0
>
>Unfortunately for... well, everyone... there are people like you who
>see more wrong with what Kirk said than with a white supremacist idiot
>defending Charles Manson.
>
>> I'm sure if you had your way you'ld bring back public executions for pett=
>y crimes. =A0
>
>Of course, you're the same guy who has said that he'd like to see
>people who disagree with him politically lined up against a wall and
>shot...
actually, you said that exactly right, although completely by
accident. "politically lined up and shot." Get it?
> in all seriousness, are you trying to win some kind of
>Guinness world record for being a hypocrite, or are you just too
>fucking stupid to keep track of your own arguments?
I don't care how heinous the crime, wishing crucifixion on someone
is sick. Truly sick. Some people are more civilized than that.
There is no justification for torturing someone to death.
>
>> And it's people like you who are the first to condemn the Muslims do doin=
>g exactly what you would do if
>> you were allowed. =A0
>
>Right... because everyone here is just waiting for the day when they
>can fly skyscrapers into buildings, or strap bombs onto their children
>and send them into crowds, or stone women to death for daring to show
>their face in public, or any of the other fucked up shit that Muslims
>around the world are doing, and which assholes like you defend.
Our military is occupying their countries, stealing their resources,
and murdering their women and children. You'ld do the same thing if
it wasn't for the fact that you were born by accident into a
progressive secular society.
Shuurai
> >Of course, you're the same guy who has said that he'd like to see
> >people who disagree with him politically lined up against a wall and
> >shot...
>
> actually, you said that exactly right, although completely by
> accident. "politically lined up and shot." Get it?
You didn't say politically lined up and shot, you said lined up and
shot.
> > in all seriousness, are you trying to win some kind of
> >Guinness world record for being a hypocrite, or are you just too
> >fucking stupid to keep track of your own arguments?
>
> I don't care how heinous the crime, wishing crucifixion on someone
> is sick. Truly sick. Some people are more civilized than that.
> There is no justification for torturing someone to death.
But there is justification for lining people who don't agree with your
political views up against a wall and shooting them? Or putting their
heads on pikes? Or deliberately starving them to death? These are
all things that YOU have claimed you wanted to see done to people
merely for disagreeing with you.
> >Right... because everyone here is just waiting for the day when they
> >can fly skyscrapers into buildings, or strap bombs onto their children
> >and send them into crowds, or stone women to death for daring to show
> >their face in public, or any of the other fucked up shit that Muslims
> >around the world are doing, and which assholes like you defend.
>
> Our military is occupying their countries, stealing their resources,
> and murdering their women and children.
They were doing all of that shit before a single American boot ever
hit the ground. They do that shit to their own people on a regular
basis. You can't blame everything on America no matter how much you'd
like to.
> You'ld do the same thing if it wasn't for the fact that you were born by accident into a
> progressive secular society.
Not even remotely. Maybe YOU would and you're just projecting?
hal
<shuu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >Of course, you're the same guy who has said that he'd like to see
>> >people who disagree with him politically lined up against a wall and
>> >shot...
>>
>> actually, you said that exactly right, although completely by
>> accident. =A0"politically lined up and shot." =A0Get it? =A0
>
>You didn't say politically lined up and shot, you said lined up and
>shot.
It's hyperbole, moron. It's a figure of speech for effect. It's not
meant to be taken literally.
>
>> > in all seriousness, are you trying to win some kind of
>> >Guinness world record for being a hypocrite, or are you just too
>> >fucking stupid to keep track of your own arguments?
>>
>> I don't =A0care =A0how heinous the crime, wishing crucifixion on someone
>> is sick. =A0Truly sick. =A0Some people are more civilized than that.
>> There is no justification for torturing someone to death.
>
>But there is justification for lining people who don't agree with your
>political views up against a wall and shooting them? Or putting their
>heads on pikes? Or deliberately starving them to death? These are
>all things that YOU have claimed you wanted to see done to people
>merely for disagreeing with you.
when did I want to starve someone to death?
>> >Right... because everyone here is just waiting for the day when they
>> >can fly skyscrapers into buildings, or strap bombs onto their children
>> >and send them into crowds, or stone women to death for daring to show
>> >their face in public, or any of the other fucked up shit that Muslims
>> >around the world are doing, and which assholes like you defend.
>>
>> Our military is occupying their countries, stealing their resources,
>> and murdering their women and children. =A0
>
>They were doing all of that shit before a single American boot ever
>hit the ground. They do that shit to their own people on a regular
>basis. You can't blame everything on America no matter how much you'd
>like to.
Westerners have been attempting the occupation of middle eastern
Muslim lands for hundreds of years. They see us as the enemy, the
invader, the destroyer of their culture.
>
>> You'ld do the same thing if it wasn't for the fact that you were born by =
>accident into a
>> progressive secular society. =A0
>
>Not even remotely. Maybe YOU would and you're just projecting?
It's the Christian authoritarians that have always been the first to
put people to the sword for fun and profit.
I can't believe it's not a Badger!
> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009 10:13:24 -0800 (PST), Shuurai
>
>
> >> >Of course, you're the same guy who has said that he'd like to see
> >> >people who disagree with him politically lined up against a wall and
> >> >shot...
>
> >> actually, you said that exactly right, although completely by
> >> accident. =A0"politically lined up and shot." =A0Get it? =A0
>
> >You didn't say politically lined up and shot, you said lined up and
> >shot.
>
> It's hyperbole, moron. It's a figure of speech for effect. It's not
> meant to be taken literally.
usenet1
So, let's be clear: *YOU* can use "hyperbole" but everything *I* say
must be taken literally?
Got it.
Hypocrite.
Nero was a Christian?
(IH)
Shuurai
> >You didn't say politically lined up and shot, you said lined up and
> >shot.
>
> It's hyperbole, moron. It's a figure of speech for effect. It's not
> meant to be taken literally.
You assumed that Kirk was speaking literally; why should it not be
assumed that you were speaking literally?
> >They were doing all of that shit before a single American boot ever
> >hit the ground. They do that shit to their own people on a regular
> >basis. You can't blame everything on America no matter how much you'd
> >like to.
>
> Westerners have been attempting the occupation of middle eastern
> Muslim lands for hundreds of years. They see us as the enemy, the
> invader, the destroyer of their culture.
Ah, so the reason that Muslims are killing OTHER MUSLIMS is the fault
of Westerners? When they're stoning women to death for the "crime" of
being raped, or sending their kids into mosques with bombs strapped to
them because they believe in a slightly different version of Islam,
that is the fault of Westerners?
> >> You'ld do the same thing if it wasn't for the fact that you were born by accident into a
> >> progressive secular society.
>
> >Not even remotely. Maybe YOU would and you're just projecting?
>
> It's the Christian authoritarians that have always been the first to
> put people to the sword for fun and profit.
Except for all of the times when it hasn't been.
Shuurai
> > >You didn't say politically lined up and shot, you said lined up and
> > >shot.
>
> > It's hyperbole, moron. It's a figure of speech for effect. It's not
> > meant to be taken literally.
>
> must be taken literally?
What? You were expecting there to be only ONE standard?
> Got it.
>
> Hypocrite.
The word is almost inadequate at this point... I suggest we start
calling him a Halpocrite.
trav...@aol.com
> meant to be taken literally.
You are such a fuckin dumbass.
> when did I want to starve someone to death?
You want to be a food baron.
> Westerners have been attempting the occupation of middle eastern
> Muslim lands for hundreds of years. They see us as the enemy, the
> invader, the destroyer of their culture.
THEY are the invader.
How the fuck you think the Alhambra got built, jackass? Muslims
occupied and invaded europe's lands until the 1800s. The Spaniards
only finally drove the criminal invaders out in 1492. They were at
the gates of Vienna even later than that.
Learn your fucking history. The MUSLIMS are the invaders and always
were! They come from a religion which preaches invasion and conquest
and slaughter and rape as a religious obligation.
> It's the Christian authoritarians that have always been the first to
> put people to the sword for fun and profit.
Absolute bullshit. Christians were pacifists put to the sword by
romans and muslims alike. Only once Christians militarized under
State Christianity was there any pushback. The Crusades were merely a
subsequent invasion against others who had ALREADY invaded. Judea was
Roman territory via INVASION after having been Persian territory and
Babylonian territory and a whole host of other imperial territory by
the same means! Invasion. It only became the "Holy Land" in the
first place via invasion by the Nation of Israel and the establishment
of temples and a capital.
Trav
Rabid Weasel Lawson
>> Hypocrite.
>
> The word is almost inadequate at this point...
Almost?
> I suggest we start
> calling him a Halpocrite.
I second the motion.
Sam the Bam
>
> >> Charles Manson ... currently being crucified
>
> >If only it were true...
>
> unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids
> cruel and unusual punishment. I'm sure if you had your
> way you'ld bring back
> public executions for petty crimes.
This message was brought to us by someone who
supports execution by the Obamacare Gestapo, of
any american who resists paying the Obamacare
mandate... because they care about your health...
that's true compassion, they're care so much, they're
willing to kill you for your own good...
Sam
Sam the Bam
> > St. Charlie was born to an unwed teenage mother, who once
> > traded him for a pitcher of beer.
That's certainly unusual... which side got the best of the deal?
Sam
Demon Buddha
>> Today is the 75th birthday of Charles Manson, musician, artist, folk
>> hero, and political prisoner currently being crucified in the
>> California State Prison at Corcoran.
What the hell is this crap? Some kind of joke?
Kris Baker
news:Gv2dnTXk08-Y2GLX...@giganews.com...
When trolls collide?
Kris
Shuurai
> > unfortunately for people like you our Constitution forbids
> > cruel and unusual punishment. I'm sure if you had your
> > way you'ld bring back
> > public executions for petty crimes.
>
> This message was brought to us by someone who
> supports execution by the Obamacare Gestapo, of
> any american who resists paying the Obamacare
> mandate... because they care about your health...
> that's true compassion, they're care so much, they're
> willing to kill you for your own good...
Hal's idiocy aside, people need to seriously look at this thing. You
are going to be MANDATED to buy something whether you need it or not.
And it's not just basic health coverage. In order to even qualify,
the coverage you buy will have to include options that are currently
limited to premium plans.
It has been estimated by the industry and by the CBO that insurance
premiums will INCREASE by around 95% over five years - which is MUCH,
MUCH FASTER than they're increasing now. It has been estimated by the
CBO that the public option, at least as it's spelled out in the House
bill, will cost MORE than the average private plan.
The author of the article has chosen to purchase hospitalization
coverage, and pay for routine medical care out of pocket. He will be
denied the ability to do that under ObamaCare. He will be forced to
upgrade to a full plan - at nearly double the cost - or he can pay a
fine (amounting to close to what he pays now) and NOT get that
coverage.
Or he can go to jail.
The stated goals for reform are to lower the cost curve, extend
coverage to more people, and reduce the risk of financial ruin for
people who suffer catastrophic health problems. This bill
accomplishes NONE of that.
Fraser Johnston
Was reading in another group about death penalty best being administered by
taking away oxygen. You give the perp a mix of nitrogen argon to breathe and
they don't gasp for air they just get giddy until they go to sleep then die.
Alternatively you could stick them in a hyperbaric chamber and give them oxygen
toxicity which stops their heart. I didn't realise until I started diving that
pure 02 at depths under 5m is toxic. There is a few stories out there of
technical divers switching to the wrong gas mix at depth and dying.
Fraser
Stanley Moore
"Fraser Johnston" <ftr...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
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If you are talking about oxygen deprivation as an execution method, why not
use the old classic and tie a millstone around their neck and drop them
offshre a few miles. Give you death penalty and burial at sea in one fell
swoop. The only problem I can see is the shortage of millstones that would
ensue as modern mills use steel I think.Take care
--
Stanley L. Moore
"The belief in a supernatural
source of evil is not necessary;
men alone are quite capable
of every wickedness."
Joseph Conrad
Shuurai
> If you are talking about oxygen deprivation as an execution method, why not
> use the old classic and tie a millstone around their neck and drop them
> offshre a few miles. Give you death penalty and burial at sea in one fell
> swoop. The only problem I can see is the shortage of millstones that would
> ensue as modern mills use steel I think.Take care
The point was to try and eliminate pain from the process... drowning
is supposedly quite painful.
ha4h...@kent.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me
> "Fraser Johnston" <ftr...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
> news:7meqs8F...@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "Greendistantstar" <Greendis...@iinet.net.au> wrote in message
>> news:fsKdnS-Mu8AqGWDX...@westnet.com.au...
>>> Jerry B. Altzman wrote:
>>>> on 11/12/2009 10:30 PM Greendistantstar said the following:
>>>>> hal wrote:
>>>
>> Was reading in another group about death penalty best being administered
>> by taking away oxygen. You give the perp a mix of nitrogen argon to
>> breathe and they don't gasp for air they just get giddy until they go to
>> sleep then die. Alternatively you could stick them in a hyperbaric chamber
>> and give them oxygen toxicity which stops their heart. I didn't realise
>> until I started diving that pure 02 at depths under 5m is toxic. There is
>> a few stories out there of technical divers switching to the wrong gas mix
>> at depth and dying.
>
> If you are talking about oxygen deprivation as an execution method, why not
> use the old classic and tie a millstone around their neck and drop them
> offshre a few miles. Give you death penalty and burial at sea in one fell
> swoop. The only problem I can see is the shortage of millstones that would
> ensue as modern mills use steel I think.Take care
You gotta be careful with so-called "sure-fire" methods too. Just like
with hanging, interia and gravity have to be taken into account: there
is the story of the carrier USS Saratoga in WW2, hit by kamikaze attack
off Iwo Jima, burying hundreds of dead by putting 5" projectiles into
the canvas bags with the bodies.
When the bags hit the water the projectiles went right through the
canvas and the bags popped back to the surface, so the ship sailed
leaving a trail of bodies floating on the ocean....
Fraser Johnston
"Shuurai" <shuu...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I've had a near drowning experience and I can tell you it is highly unpleasant.
Not as bad as burning but still pretty damn awful.
Fraser
Stanley Moore
I don't give a rats ass whether the criminal or terrorist exoeriences some
short period of unpleasnatness. Take care
Greendistantstar
And from now on, when it's Wannabe's mom, the plank is securely fastened, eh?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Rabid Weasel Lawson
Which is why Water Boarding is considered by many to be torture.
Fraser Johnston
No that was a crush injury from a heavy fall. Luckily the entire Miami
Dolphins offense line were in there for me to land on.
Fraser
Dan Winsor
>
> I've had a near drowning experience and I can tell you it is highly unpleasant.
> Not as bad as burning but still pretty damn awful.
You were married at one point - how bad could drowning be?
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Dan Winsor
Soy un poco loco en el coco.
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My wife had one too, and she told me never to do it to her again...
Seriously though, she and a friend nearly drowned when they were in
middle school, and she said it was the worst thing she's ever
experienced.
Fraser Johnston
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On Nov 17, 8:37 pm, "Fraser Johnston" <ftr...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
> I've had a near drowning experience and I can tell you it is highly
> unpleasant.
> Not as bad as burning but still pretty damn awful.
You were married at one point - how bad could drowning be?
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It's all relative. Marriage makes you want to breathe the cool sweet water
into your lungs.
Fraser
Jerry B. Altzman
> into your lungs.
Does anyone else find this parallel discussion of Charlie Manson and
marriage-versus-drowning to be simultaneously unsettling and amusing? (I
know about Dan, who finds it arousing.)
> Fraser
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thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
Fraser Johnston
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> on 11/19/2009 10:34 PM Fraser Johnston said the following:
>> "Dan Winsor" <dan.w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> You were married at one point - how bad could drowning be?
>> It's all relative. Marriage makes you want to breathe the cool sweet water
>> into your lungs.
>
> Does anyone else find this parallel discussion of Charlie Manson and
> marriage-versus-drowning to be simultaneously unsettling and amusing? (I know
> about Dan, who finds it arousing.)
Beats the shit out of talking about Obama and healthcare.
Fraesr