BJJ author EXPOSED as a scammer and a fraud!
Krav Maga
a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
yourself!
See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
msg)
http://tinyurl.com/sdjr
http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
http://tinyurl.com/sdjt
You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!
El Queso
> People "in the know" have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as
> a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
> yourself!
>
> See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
> msg)
All I saw were allegations with no proof. I'm not claiming I know either
way, but you haven't proven anything. To properly debunk someone - you
must PROVE they are fraudulent (like Frank Dux has been), not just claim
it. What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him. Krav Maga is not helped
by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother? This seems like a
desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
the filtrum bullshit as if it were real. At least Simco's claims of
being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
street.
Queso
BillMahoney68
Aint simco that guy in NY?
How exactly does exposing him expose BJJ as a fraud?
Gi
PS seems like a good guy that knows his shit, but he aint bustamante.
mark goldberg
Your name is Krav maga... and you want to expose Bjj.
Hmmmmm.....
Actually, if the guy makes himself a wee bit bigger than he is, but his
books are solid, then take what you need and leave the rest...
Like most things.
Looking for godguys is always a losing proposition... I read the first
15 or so posts... then I yawned, and ate a mallomar.
Mark
Krav Maga
> Krav Maga wrote:
> > People "in the know" have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as
> > a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
> > yourself!
> >
> > See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
> > msg)
>
> All I saw were allegations with no proof. I'm not claiming I know either
> way, but you haven't proven anything. To properly debunk someone - you
> must PROVE they are fraudulent (like Frank Dux has been), not just claim
> it.
Only recently deleted from the NYMAG bio webpage for Gene 'Aranha'
Simco (http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/nyma/jiu-jitsu_instructors/genebio.shtml):
"Gene is a member of the Marcio Simas Competition team & a Florida
State Champion."
From the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: "fraud
- n. 1. A deception deliberately practiced in order to secure unfair
or unlawful gain. ... 3. ... b. One who assumes a false pose; ..."
You don't think that a person who placed THIRD out of ONLY THREE
competitors in the Florida State Championships - dead last, in other
words - and claims thereby that he is "a Florida State Champion" is
"assuming a false pose"? You don't think this was a deliberately
practiced deception? - that is, you believe Aranha when he says that
he DIDN'T KNOW that placing THIRD out of THREE contestants DID NOT
make him a Florida State Champion? You don't think that by so
claiming, he was trying to secure an unfair gain over the consumers of
his books? (What are you smoking?) Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
argue otherwise.
> What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
> shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
> with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him.
Probably right, if you are talking about a guy who has only practiced
streetfighting or reality arts and nothing else with "alive" training
like BJJ, Judo, or Muay Thai.
But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
fraud?
> Krav Maga is not helped
> by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
side or helps another?
> This seems like a
> desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
> actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
> find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
further and further from that environment.
> I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
> claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them. It is
presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
> Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
> the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break. Try
that and get your brains blown out by anyone who remotely understands
how to handle a firearm.
Also, you are commenting about Krav Maga because of my screen name.
But actually, I have made my own position on martial arts known on
rec.martial-arts a few weeks ago. To quote myself from October
15th(see http://tinyurl.com/sfou): "I'm not defending Krav Maga or any
other single art. If I am going to defend anything at this point, it
would be [Michael] Jen's reasonable approach of combining arts."
But all of this is another attempt at redirection on your part. Again
I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
> At least Simco's claims of
> being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
> street.
It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
the street as badass Aranha...
But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
Krav Maga
> >m: krav...@japan.com (K
>
> >
> >People "in the know" have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as
> >a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
> >yourself!
> >
> >See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
> >msg)
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjr
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjt
> >
> >You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!
> >
>
> Aint simco that guy in NY?
Yes. Simco's NYMAG BJJ school is in Poughkeepsie. See
http://www.genesimco.com and http://www.jiu-jitsu.net/
Simco is also the author of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Basics: Techniques
for Beginners from White to Blue Belt" and "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu: The
Master Text" 1st and 2nd edition.
> How exactly does exposing him expose BJJ as a fraud?
It doesn't does it? And why do you think it was an attempt to expose
BJJ as a fraud? How did you deduce its true purpose when it doesn't
say anywhere something like "... and that is why BJJ is a fraud"? It
exposes Simco as fraud. That's all. Nothing more or less.
> Gi
> PS seems like a good guy that knows his shit, but he aint bustamante.
I'd hope that Bustamante would do a bit better than this against a
white belt! (see video of how a "brown belt" fights a white belt:
http://tinyurl.com/sft4)
That he knows his shit also doesn't make him any less a fraud that has
been exposed.
Badger South
That video was not of the upper belt, I presume Simco trying to
sub the white belt. It was him dominating the white belt who
was testing. He was making the white belt work, but it's true,
what the white belt was doing was ridiculous, pushing straight
up, exposing his arm to a bar. I looked at all 4 vids.
True not a very good 'test', but it wasn't the upper belt
trying to sub him. In the 4th part he lets him go in a few
seconds.
What's your real beef against Simco?
-B
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Krav Maga
> Krav Maga wrote:
> > People "in the know" have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as
> > a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
> > yourself!
> >
> > See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
> > msg)
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjr
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
> > http://tinyurl.com/sdjt
> >
> > You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!
>
>
> Your name is Krav maga... and you want to expose Bjj.
Right. Wrong.
I don't want to expose BJJ. BJJ is awesome. It's great for a sport
fighting on a mat with a certain set of rules. *I PRACTICE BJJ* (read
that again!) (Someone ask me why my screen name is Krav Maga when I
practice BJJ among other things - I'd love to answer that one.) I was
going to hold back with talking about my experience with BJJ because
it is a distraction from my purpose, but just now I don't know why I
bother hiding this.
What I want to EXPOSE is the misplaced righteous attitude of *some*
BJJers that BJJ is THE ANSWER to the SELF DEFENSE question. I simply
hate the attitude of those that claim it as THE ANSWER.
> Hmmmmm.....
With my revelation, now you can say "Hmmmmm....."
> Actually, if the guy makes himself a wee bit bigger than he is, but his
> books are solid, then take what you need and leave the rest...
> Like most things.
Not my point. I have all three of his books. I have the Master Text
in both editions. If you don't believe me, name a page and I can
quote chapter and verse. They aren't perfect but are better than
anything else out there for BJJ. For submission grappling, the
Fighter's Notebook is definitely a bit more comprehensive.
Nonetheless, Aranha is a fraud. This puts a shadow over his teachings
in a similar way that finding out that Jesus was a fraud would put a
shadow over his teachings in the Scriptures. (not that I am claiming
Jesus as a fraud - I am only using that as an example) Loving your
neighbor might still be a good prescription, but it would never have
the same ring.
> Looking for godguys is always a losing proposition...
Also not the point.
> I read the first
> 15 or so posts... then I yawned, and ate a mallomar.
That you didn't read it doesn't make it any more or less true.
GreenDistantStar
"Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
> only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
> argue otherwise.
A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand. Even
if every word you've uttered about Simco is true, it says nothing about the
art.
Pitiful Krav Maga asses still get kicked when the rules disappear.....why
not apologise for that instead?
GDS
El Queso
Bullshit. If you had actually READ my post - I clearly stated that I
didn't know either way if he was a fraud or not, only that you hadn't
proven anything. You could just repeat the question over and over again,
but only a retard does that. You have still provided no way to
independantly verify your claims. I'm not saying you aren't right about
Simco, only that your arguement is unsupported by any evidence you
might've chosen to include such as links to the results of the state
championship you refer to. Again, I'm not saying it isn't so, only that
I give neither you, nor Simco the benefit of the doubt. I require cites,
not just your allegations. The quote you cite about the FL state
championship could be true or you could be lying. I believe you, in that
instance, about 65%, but until I've seen a page (not made by you) with
the results of Simco's matches - I don't make my mind up.
>
>
>>What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
>>shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
>>with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him.
>
>
> Probably right, if you are talking about a guy who has only practiced
> streetfighting or reality arts and nothing else with "alive" training
> like BJJ, Judo, or Muay Thai.
No, I mean any guy called Krav Maga.
>
> But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
> fraud?
Did you read my post? The point I made is that even if this guy is a
liar, it says nothing about BJJ, and if you're gonna talk about martial
arts frauds - there are tons of bigger ones to spend time on. Come on
now, don't deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in your header. Don't
pretend you aren't trying to make this reflect badly upon BJJ. It
doesn't - there are frauds in every art - but in BJJ, it is very easy to
quickly find out who is teaching crap and who is teaching a workable
system. Many, if not most, martial arts schools teach a pattycake style
of crap that it takes either a long time or a brief encounter to find
out thats it is bullshit.
>
>
>>Krav Maga is not helped
>>by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
>
>
> Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
> side or helps another?
Your imaginary sides battle in your head only. You pimp Krav Maga (or is
it modified KM now?), and Krav Maga is mostly chalkboard talk. You want
to badmouth BJJ but have difficulty doing so, so you find obscure lies
in an individual's bio. Are you saying Simco can't fight, or isn't fit
to teach BJJ? That would be a claim worth investigating. If you're just
saying that he got a 3rd place trophy and called himself a state
champ... it's sleazy, and a bit disingenuous, but hardly Frank Dux.
>
>
>>This seems like a
>>desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
>>actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
>>find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
>
>
> BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
> fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
> further and further from that environment.
Firearms are better than Krav Maga at non grappling/trapping range. BJJ
is better than Krav Maga in grappling/trapping range.
>
>
>> I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
>>claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
>
>
> I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them.
Gee, why would that be? You're transparent. You didn't just happen by
this Simco thing - it is part of your ongoing effort to build a case
against an art that you see as competition. Once the list of factoids is
big enough, maybe you can have a "BJJ is fraudulent" page.
It is
> presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
> exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
I imagine we'll be waiting quite a while for that.
>
> But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
> to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
It was just an assertion with little evidence to support it. Again, I'm
just saying you make a weak case and if the lie is real - it may or may
not reflect on Simco's actual ability. Jesus, how many times will you
ask the same question in one post? This isn't a speech - it is a
conversation.
>
>
>>Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
>>the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
>
>
> Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
> no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
> 146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
> Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break.
I don't have the book, so I couldn't say.
Try
> that and get your brains blown out by anyone who remotely understands
> how to handle a firearm.
If you try anything against a knowledgable gunfighter in his chosen
range - you'll die. I have seen hundreds of "gun from behind" techniques
and they almost all start from a flawed idea that the gun holder cannot
control his range through movement. Let's try this. I'll stand 5 feet
away pointing a gun at your back and you see what Krav Maga, BJJ, or any
other art can do.
>
> Also, you are commenting about Krav Maga because of my screen name.
> But actually, I have made my own position on martial arts known on
> rec.martial-arts a few weeks ago. To quote myself from October
> 15th(see http://tinyurl.com/sfou): "I'm not defending Krav Maga or any
> other single art. If I am going to defend anything at this point, it
> would be [Michael] Jen's reasonable approach of combining arts."
OK, so you just call yourself Krav Maga, but you're not a KM apaologist,
or a BJJ antagonist... sure...
>
> But all of this is another attempt at redirection on your part.
Not at all, I have addressed what you wrote and you have not offered any
more proof that I can actually check.
Again
> I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
> do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
Do you not see how stupid it is to reiterate a question that has been
asked and answered repeatedly?
>
>
>>At least Simco's claims of
>>being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
>>street.
>
>
> It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
> the street as badass Aranha...
>
> But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
> DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
You shout because you're desperate. You repeat because you cannot
create. you'tre a nitpicky seeker, collecting factoids about your
competition. If you find a new discrediting factoid about BJJ - you post
it like a tabloid headline. You dance in glee at the ability to expose a
BJJ fraud, but you're not currently interested in looking into Krav
Maga fraud or the fraud of other arts. You are one-sided against
something that is more-than-likely far superior to what you practice.
Don't worry though, I know your art is far too deadly to use for real
against anyone but terrorists or criminals - so I won't expect you to
prove anything in martial arts or elsewhere.
Queso
mark goldberg
> mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<2zQmb.5825$I7.15...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>>Your name is Krav maga... and you want to expose Bjj.
>
>
> Right. Wrong.
>
> I don't want to expose BJJ. BJJ is awesome.
> What I want to EXPOSE is the misplaced righteous attitude of *some*
> BJJers that BJJ is THE ANSWER to the SELF DEFENSE question. I simply
> hate the attitude of those that claim it as THE ANSWER.
>
So... it's not Simco??
>
>>Hmmmmm.....
>
>
> With my revelation, now you can say "Hmmmmm....."
Hmmmmm......
>
>
>>Actually, if the guy makes himself a wee bit bigger than he is, but his
>>books are solid, then take what you need and leave the rest...
>>Like most things.
>
>
> Not my point.
So... if it's not your point, and it's bjj you want to address... then ????
I have all three of his books. I have the Master Text
> in both editions. If you don't believe me, name a page and I can
> quote chapter and verse.
I believe you... why wouldn't I believe you?
They aren't perfect but are better than
> anything else out there for BJJ. For submission grappling, the
> Fighter's Notebook is definitely a bit more comprehensive.
>
> Nonetheless, Aranha is a fraud. This puts a shadow over his teachings
> in a similar way that finding out that Jesus was a fraud would put a
> shadow over his teachings in the Scriptures. (not that I am claiming
> Jesus as a fraud - I am only using that as an example) Loving your
> neighbor might still be a good prescription, but it would never have
> the same ring.
and neither of which has anything to do with you assertion that you
point was that bjj is lacking....
>
>
>>Looking for godguys is always a losing proposition...
>
>
> Also not the poin
Hey... you can't blame a guy for trying to smooth out the wrinkles.
How did I know you were'nt drip dry :^))
>
>
>>I read the first
>>15 or so posts... then I yawned, and ate a mallomar.
>
>
> That you didn't read it doesn't make it any more or less true.
But the mallomar was delicious
Mark
Krav Maga
My beef is that he is a FRAUDSTER. He has pumped himself up to be
some sort of total badass. When is actually not only a liar, but a
coward. I own all of his books. But now that I know he is a
FRAUDSTER and COWARD, I won't be getting any future books from him, I
assure you.
Krav Maga
> "Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
> news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
>
> Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
> > only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
> > argue otherwise.
>
> A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
> conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand.
No. I have El Queso pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist'.
You on the otherhand may not be.
> Even
> if every word you've uttered about Simco is true, it says nothing about the
> art.
True. But why would I try to say anything about such a great art as
BJJ? I love BJJ (on the mat with a certain set of rules). Except that
it is not the BE ALL AND END ALL STREET ART!
> Pitiful Krav Maga asses still get kicked when the rules disappear.....
Again, probably true when the Krav Maga ass hasn't cross-trained in
anything "alive" like BJJ, Judo, Boxing or Muay Thai. But now I am
repeating myself.
> why
> not apologise for that instead?
I wasn't apologizing for anything. I was accusing EL QUESO of
apologizing for Simco and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
or Krav Maga at all!
El Queso
> "GreenDistantStar" <GreenDis...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<gJXmb.166384$bo1.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
>
>>"Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
>>news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
>>
>>Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
>>
>>>only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
>>>argue otherwise.
>>
>>A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
>>conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand.
>
>
> No. I have El Queso pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist'.
But that is only because you're an idiot. I said I had a problem with
your offerings of proof and you call me a BJJ guy. Funny.
> You on the otherhand may not be.
>
>
>>Even
>>if every word you've uttered about Simco is true, it says nothing about the
>>art.
>
>
> True. But why would I try to say anything about such a great art as
> BJJ? I love BJJ (on the mat with a certain set of rules). Except that
> it is not the BE ALL AND END ALL STREET ART!
Strawman. Most people here don't claim that BJJ is the ultimate street art.
>
>
>>Pitiful Krav Maga asses still get kicked when the rules disappear.....
>
>
> Again, probably true when the Krav Maga ass hasn't cross-trained in
> anything "alive" like BJJ, Judo, Boxing or Muay Thai. But now I am
> repeating myself.
You seem to do that a lot.
>
>
>>why
>>not apologise for that instead?
>
>
> I wasn't apologizing for anything. I was accusing EL QUESO of
> apologizing for Simco
And you're full of shit because of it. I never apologized for his
actions - I was just never convinced either way and said so explicitly.
You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
> thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
> or Krav Maga at all!
Define "at all".
Queso
El Queso
Looks like you're the one who got pumped.
But now that I know he is a
> FRAUDSTER and COWARD, I won't be getting any future books from him, I
> assure you.
How do you know he is a coward. Why don't you email him directly instead
of talking behind his back... like a coward.
Queso
BillMahoney68
>
>My beef is that he is a FRAUDSTER. He has pumped himself up to be
>some sort of total badass.
I dont know him, but in his book he explains how he isnt a blackbelt and he
seems pretty humble,
Is he in life?
dont know, dont care.
Why do you care?
Who are you?
If you rip a man ononymously you will not get support.You will get attacks.
Clearly you are miffed at simco for personal reasons.You should explain this,
or let it go.
Gi
BillMahoney68
>From: krav...@japan.com (Krav M
>
>True. But why would I try to say anything about such a great art as
>BJJ? I love BJJ (on the mat with a certain set of rules). Except that
>it is not the BE ALL AND END ALL STREET ART!
WHO EVER SAID IT WAS?
Who are you preaching to?
Gi
Krav Maga
No. I assumed that you read the threads pointed to by my links with
some nominal reading comprehension before you asserted that NOTHING is
proven. Check the 49th message in the link http://tinyurl.com/sdjq
dated October 14, 2003, 01:07:38 PM from ARANHA HIMSELF.
> You could just repeat the question over and over again,
> but only a retard does that.
I repeat the question because you constantly are bring up arguments
irrelevant to my point.
> You have still provided no way to
> independantly verify your claims.
Courts of Law accept confessions of guilt, but it's not good enough
for El Queso, I guess.
> I'm not saying you aren't right about
> Simco, only that your arguement is unsupported by any evidence you
> might've chosen to include such as links to the results of the state
> championship you refer to. Again, I'm not saying it isn't so, only that
> I give neither you, nor Simco the benefit of the doubt. I require cites,
> not just your allegations. The quote you cite about the FL state
> championship could be true or you could be lying. I believe you, in that
> instance, about 65%, but until I've seen a page (not made by you) with
> the results of Simco's matches - I don't make my mind up.
Being the retard that I am, I will reiterate: Is the confession from
Aranha sufficient for you?
> >>What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
> >>shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
> >>with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him.
> >
> >
> > Probably right, if you are talking about a guy who has only practiced
> > streetfighting or reality arts and nothing else with "alive" training
> > like BJJ, Judo, or Muay Thai.
>
> No, I mean any guy called Krav Maga.
Funny. Because actually I do practice BJJ. But I'm not going to
argue this point because Simco most likely CAN wipe the "mat" with me
since I am not a brown belt yet in BJJ. I don't question that Simco
is legitimately a BJJ brown since Michael Jen is his instructor, and
Bolo is a straight shooter.
> > But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
> > fraud?
>
> Did you read my post? The point I made is that even if this guy is a
> liar, it says nothing about BJJ,
No. You didn't read my post. I
_DID_NOT_SAY_ANYTHING_ABOUT_BJJ_AS_AN_ART_. Read my original post
again with a bit more comprehension.
> and if you're gonna talk about martial
> arts frauds - there are tons of bigger ones to spend time on.
That's my choice isn't it?
> Come on
> now, don't deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in your header.
This is the part where your reading comprehension level comes in. I do
deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in my header, because I put "BJJ
author EXPOSED" in my header. And BJJ is only capitalized because BJJ
is an acronym, not out of a secret insidious plot. Now what you read
into it is your problem.
> Don't
> pretend you aren't trying to make this reflect badly upon BJJ.
You are wrong. I am trying to make this reflect badly on some
practitioners of BJJ. Such as possibly you (if you are a
practitioners that is).
> It
> doesn't - there are frauds in every art - but in BJJ, it is very easy to
> quickly find out who is teaching crap and who is teaching a workable
> system.
True, but irrelevant point since you were wrong about my aims.
> Many, if not most, martial arts schools teach a pattycake style
> of crap that it takes either a long time or a brief encounter to find
> out thats it is bullshit.
True, but again it's an irrelevant point.
> >>Krav Maga is not helped
> >>by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
> >
> >
> > Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
> > side or helps another?
>
> Your imaginary sides battle in your head only. You pimp Krav Maga (or is
> it modified KM now?), and Krav Maga is mostly chalkboard talk.
My pimping of Krav Maga is only imaginary and in your head. In this
posting, I never pimped Krav Maga. You read my name and "visions of
sugar plums" danced in your head. You are shadow boxing El Queso.
> You want
> to badmouth BJJ but have difficulty doing so, so you find obscure lies
> in an individual's bio.
I don't want to badmouth BJJ. I want to badmouth certain practioners
and find that I can't unless I have a concrete example.
> Are you saying Simco can't fight, or isn't fit
> to teach BJJ?
No. I am only saying he is a FRAUD.
Personally, I believe he is a brown belt level BJJer. Probably can't
fight (compared with other competition quality purple belt level
BJJers). (But how can we know as he will call the police if anyone
comes challenging him now?) And from the look of his books and the
performance of NYMAG's competition team in the local tournaments, he
probably is a good teacher.
> That would be a claim worth investigating.
It would be, but the first can't be tested. He did just participate
in a tournament match recently which he lost 5-0, but I am also not
saying that one fight would determine whether or not he can fight.
> If you're just
> saying that he got a 3rd place trophy and called himself a state
> champ... it's sleazy, and a bit disingenuous, but hardly Frank Dux.
You forgot to say, HE'S A FRAUD.
> >>This seems like a
> >>desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
> >>actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
> >>find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
> >
> >
> > BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
> > fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
> > further and further from that environment.
>
> Firearms are better than Krav Maga at non grappling/trapping range. BJJ
> is better than Krav Maga in grappling/trapping range.
Again, the claims against Krav Maga. Note I am not responding because
as I said earlier, I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF.
> >> I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
> >>claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
> >
> >
> > I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them.
>
> Gee, why would that be? You're transparent. You didn't just happen by
> this Simco thing - it is part of your ongoing effort to build a case
> against an art that you see as competition.
Nope. I don't feel like exposing them because my "imaginary" beef is
with big-headed BJJers right now.
> Once the list of factoids is
> big enough, maybe you can have a "BJJ is fraudulent" page.
Wrong again. But I might have a "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
> It is
> > presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
> > exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
>
>
> I imagine we'll be waiting quite a while for that.
Probably. Because I am presently more interested in BJJ than Krav
Maga. Personally that is.
> > But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
> > to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>
> It was just an assertion with little evidence to support it. Again, I'm
> just saying you make a weak case and if the lie is real - it may or may
> not reflect on Simco's actual ability.
I did not speak to his actual abilities or lack of them. I merely
said he is a FRAUD.
> Jesus, how many times will you
> ask the same question in one post? This isn't a speech - it is a
> conversation.
And you should try to address the points and not my rhetorical style.
> >>Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
> >>the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
> >
> >
> > Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
> > no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
> > 146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
> > Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break.
>
> I don't have the book, so I couldn't say.
Well, I do have the book. And so I say.
> > Try
> > that and get your brains blown out by anyone who remotely understands
> > how to handle a firearm.
>
> If you try anything against a knowledgable gunfighter in his chosen
> range - you'll die. I have seen hundreds of "gun from behind" techniques
> and they almost all start from a flawed idea that the gun holder cannot
> control his range through movement. Let's try this. I'll stand 5 feet
> away pointing a gun at your back and you see what Krav Maga, BJJ, or any
> other art can do.
I'm glad we can agree on something.
> > Also, you are commenting about Krav Maga because of my screen name.
> > But actually, I have made my own position on martial arts known on
> > rec.martial-arts a few weeks ago. To quote myself from October
> > 15th(see http://tinyurl.com/sfou): "I'm not defending Krav Maga or any
> > other single art. If I am going to defend anything at this point, it
> > would be [Michael] Jen's reasonable approach of combining arts."
>
> OK, so you just call yourself Krav Maga, but you're not a KM apaologist,
> or a BJJ antagonist... sure...
Yup. Sure. I am not a BJJ antagonist. I am a BJJer antagonist. As
for a Krav Maga apologist, well I find that this name suits me. That
doesn't mean I am a Krav Maga apologist though. I actually believe
there is more hokey stuff in Krav Maga than in BJJ. But that is not
my present interest.
> > But all of this is another attempt at redirection on your part.
>
> Not at all, I have addressed what you wrote and you have not offered any
> more proof that I can actually check.
Well, partly true. If you don't accept written confessions of the
perpetrator.
But my comments about misdirection were not regarding your reaction to
what I said in my original post. Misdirection refers to how you
reacted to what I DID NOT SAY.
> Again
> > I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
> > do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>
> Do you not see how stupid it is to reiterate a question that has been
> asked and answered repeatedly?
No more than your three time reiteration of this question about my
rhetorical style.
> >>At least Simco's claims of
> >>being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
> >>street.
> >
> >
> > It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
> > the street as badass Aranha...
> >
> > But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
> > DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
>
> You shout because you're desperate. You repeat because you cannot
> create. you'tre a nitpicky seeker, collecting factoids about your
> competition.
You have made this up whole cloth. You assume based on my screen name
without knowing why I chose it. You have whipped up an entire
imaginary enemy.
BJJ is not my competition. It is my avocation. BJJers are my
"competition".
> If you find a new discrediting factoid about BJJ - you post
> it like a tabloid headline.
Yes. If it relates to my real aim which is to show that BJJ is not
"holier than thou".
> You dance in glee at the ability to expose a
> BJJ fraud, but you're not currently interested in looking into Krav
> Maga fraud or the fraud of other arts.
Partly true. The part that is true is that I am not interested at the
present in "exposing" Krav Maga frauds, although I know there are many
there.
> You are one-sided against
> something that is more-than-likely far superior to what you practice.
Well. This is not mathematically possible since I practice BJJ, among
other things. "A > A" is not a syllogism.
> Don't worry though, I know your art is far too deadly to use for real
> against anyone but terrorists or criminals
Well, as "Clark Kent", I'll try part of it at the Copa Atlantica and
see if anyone dies. But *SPORT* BJJ rarely kills, so I expect that I
won't be arrested after Saturday.
> - so I won't expect you to
> prove anything in martial arts or elsewhere.
> Queso
That's good. Because I am not in a position to prove anything to you.
If I show who I am, I would likely get kicked out of my BJJ school for
my beliefs. For you see, even in my immediate environment, all are
like you. *THIS* is why I am "Krav Maga".
Krav Maga
syllogism." Well, it isn't a syllogism, but actually I meant "A > A"
is not a tautology. My apologies in advance to any nitpickers out
there.
MCMisquitoes
red power ranger
> Krav Maga wrote:
> > "GreenDistantStar" <GreenDis...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<gJXmb.166384$bo1.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> >
> >>"Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
> >>news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
> >>
> >>Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
> >>
> >>>only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
> >>>argue otherwise.
> >>
> >>A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
> >>conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand.
> >
> >
> > No. I have El Queso pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist'.
>
> But that is only because you're an idiot. I said I had a problem with
> your offerings of proof and you call me a BJJ guy. Funny.
No El Queso. Try to pretend you can read. I called you a "BJJ
apologist". A BJJ apologist may or may not be a "BJJ guy" if the
latter implies you practice BJJ. Note elsewhere that I even wondered
if you practice BJJ or not. I did never assumed it.
>
> > You on the otherhand may not be.
> >
> >
> >>Even
> >>if every word you've uttered about Simco is true, it says nothing about the
> >>art.
> >
> >
> > True. But why would I try to say anything about such a great art as
> > BJJ? I love BJJ (on the mat with a certain set of rules). Except that
> > it is not the BE ALL AND END ALL STREET ART!
>
> Strawman. Most people here don't claim that BJJ is the ultimate street art.
There you go with the misdirection thing. You made a true statement.
I acknowledged it to be true and explained why I would not have argued
otherwise with a certain qualification. You are now jumping at the
qualification. That is what I mean by misdirection.
I don't even believe that MOST people here even hold BJJ in high
regard, except for a vocal minority. But the qualifying remark, which
you jumped at, is obviously not addressing them either, is it?
> >>Pitiful Krav Maga asses still get kicked when the rules disappear.....
> >
> >
> > Again, probably true when the Krav Maga ass hasn't cross-trained in
> > anything "alive" like BJJ, Judo, Boxing or Muay Thai. But now I am
> > repeating myself.
>
> You seem to do that a lot.
There you go addressing points of rhetorical style. YOU seem to do
that a lot.
> >>why
> >>not apologise for that instead?
> >
> >
> > I wasn't apologizing for anything. I was accusing EL QUESO of
> > apologizing for Simco
>
> And you're full of shit because of it. I never apologized for his
> actions - I was just never convinced either way and said so explicitly.
> You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
I mean "apologizing" in the sense of making a defense for him.
Specifically, you disregarded his own admission of guilt in message
#49 of http://tinyurl.com/sdjq argued that there was no evidence of
fraud. You then tried to deflect the issue into an "art vs. art" vein.
You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
> and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
> > thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
> > or Krav Maga at all!
>
> Define "at all".
I'd be happy to. "At all" here means that in no way was I talking
about BJJ as an art itself or in the manner in which it is practiced,
nor about Krav Maga as an art or as it is practiced. "No way" here
means that any implications you read into my remarks which are to the
contrary of my stated aim of discrediting Simco only, are solely in
your own mind.
red power ranger
When I am saying that BJJ is not the be all and end all street art, am
I really preaching to the choir here? I think not.
red power ranger
Yes. I did get pumped. And now I was disappointed. So what does that
make me? I feel had. But I'm out there now doing my part to make sure
that others don't make the same mistake now that we know Simco is a
FRAUD.
> But now that I know he is a
> > FRAUDSTER and COWARD, I won't be getting any future books from him, I
> > assure you.
>
> How do you know he is a coward.
You got me there. Perhaps he is not a coward at all. Mayhaps I
misinterpreted his "Because of your threatening remarks, I will take
your presence as a threat and call the authorities in the event that
you choose to 'pay me a visit'." comment in response to a mat
challenge as an act of cowardice. You may interpret this as you like
and I will withdraw my comment that he is a coward.
> Why don't you email him directly instead
> of talking behind his back... like a coward.
And who says that I haven't done this and been ignored?
I am telling all who will hear, including Simco (feel free to welcome
him to this forum to hear this - his email address is
JiuJi...@aol.com), that he is a FRAUD and you can protest by NOT
BUYING HIS BOOKS!
red power ranger
> >From: krav...@japan.com (Krav Maga)
>
> >
> >My beef is that he is a FRAUDSTER. He has pumped himself up to be
> >some sort of total badass.
>
> I dont know him, but in his book he explains how he isnt a blackbelt and he
> seems pretty humble,
Would you interpret his writing on his previous bio, "Gene Simco -
Edson Carvalho Team Member, Florida State Champion, NYMAG TEAM COACH",
when he actually only placed third out of three competitors in that
Florida State Championship, as an act of humility?
> Is he in life?
> dont know, dont care.
> Why do you care?
I care because I thought something of him and it turns out he is a
FRAUD.
> Who are you?
I'd tell you but I would have to kill you. Or decide to quit BJJ for
good.
> If you rip a man ononymously you will not get support.You will get attacks.
I have not generated any new information on Simco. I very clearly said
in my first message, "Judge the evidence for yourself!" and posted
links to those who had information. I did not know any of this about
Simco before. After learning this, I am ripping him because of the
information others have provided.
> Clearly you are miffed at simco for personal reasons.You should explain this,
> or let it go.
The man is a BJJ FRAUDSTER. This makes me miffed. I spent good money
on his books (including the horribly expensive 2nd edition of his
Master Text). That makes me very miffed.
red power ranger
> Krav Maga wrote:
> > mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<2zQmb.5825$I7.15...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>
> >>Your name is Krav maga... and you want to expose Bjj.
> >
> >
> > Right. Wrong.
> >
> > I don't want to expose BJJ. BJJ is awesome.
> > What I want to EXPOSE is the misplaced righteous attitude of *some*
> > BJJers that BJJ is THE ANSWER to the SELF DEFENSE question. I simply
> > hate the attitude of those that claim it as THE ANSWER.
> >
>
> So... it's not Simco??
no.
> >
> >>Hmmmmm.....
> >
> >
> > With my revelation, now you can say "Hmmmmm....."
>
> Hmmmmm......
> >
> >
> >>Actually, if the guy makes himself a wee bit bigger than he is, but his
> >>books are solid, then take what you need and leave the rest...
> >>Like most things.
> >
> >
> > Not my point.
>
> So... if it's not your point, and it's bjj you want to address... then ????
It's not BJJ that I want to address. It's *some* BJJ practitioners
that I want to address. I want to expose the "holier than thou"
attitude that many BJJers have regarding this art. And I may rip a
few holes to do it.
> I have all three of his books. I have the Master Text
> > in both editions. If you don't believe me, name a page and I can
> > quote chapter and verse.
>
> I believe you... why wouldn't I believe you?
>
> They aren't perfect but are better than
> > anything else out there for BJJ. For submission grappling, the
> > Fighter's Notebook is definitely a bit more comprehensive.
> >
> > Nonetheless, Aranha is a fraud. This puts a shadow over his teachings
> > in a similar way that finding out that Jesus was a fraud would put a
> > shadow over his teachings in the Scriptures. (not that I am claiming
> > Jesus as a fraud - I am only using that as an example) Loving your
> > neighbor might still be a good prescription, but it would never have
> > the same ring.
>
> and neither of which has anything to do with you assertion that you
> point was that bjj is lacking....
It doesn't have anything to do with it. It addresses YOUR point about
taking what you can from Simco's books and throwing out the rest.
Also I never said "BJJ" itself as a sport is lacking anything.
Aristeia
"red power ranger" <redpowe...@japan.com> wrote in message
news:8d70c702.0310...@posting.google.com...
> I am telling all who will hear, including Simco (feel free to welcome
> him to this forum to hear this - his email address is
> JiuJi...@aol.com), that he is a FRAUD and you can protest by NOT
> BUYING HIS BOOKS!
Hey quick, someone tell Simco that some anonymous guy is calling him out on
the internet and he should... umm... well he could go round
to...ahh....maybe pay visit to ...hmmm. Never mind.
Aristeia
> It's not BJJ that I want to address. It's *some* BJJ practitioners
> that I want to address. I want to expose the "holier than thou"
> attitude that many BJJers have regarding this art. And I may rip a
> few holes to do it.
All right. So riddle me this ranger. Why come to RMA to do it? Can you
point to a single poster on here in the last, let's say 12 months, who has
indicated that BJJ, by itself and unaugmented is the ultimate in self
defence or fighting? If not, why are you howling at the moon?
GreenDistantStar
"red power ranger" <redpowe...@japan.com> wrote in
I spent good money
> on his books (including the horribly expensive 2nd edition of his
> Master Text). That makes me very miffed.
So if he won 1st place the moves would work better for you?
GDS
El Queso
> El Queso <the_chees...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3F9C839B...@yahoo.com>...
>
>>Krav Maga wrote:
>>
>>>"GreenDistantStar" <GreenDis...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<gJXmb.166384$bo1.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
>>>>
>>>>Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
>>>>>argue otherwise.
>>>>
>>>>A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
>>>>conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand.
>>>
>>>
>>>No. I have El Queso pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist'.
>>
>>But that is only because you're an idiot. I said I had a problem with
>>your offerings of proof and you call me a BJJ guy. Funny.
>
>
> No El Queso. Try to pretend you can read. I called you a "BJJ
> apologist". A BJJ apologist may or may not be a "BJJ guy" if the
> latter implies you practice BJJ. Note elsewhere that I even wondered
> if you practice BJJ or not. I did never assumed it.
Learn to comprehend words - I did not apologize at any point for BJJ.
For me to do so, I would have to first believe that what you'd said
reflected badly on BJJ - which I clearly stated it didn't.
All I did was say you provided no proof - which you didn't. You could've
claimed that the space shuttle flew for the first time on a Tuesday -
without a cite - you get no firm belief from me.
> Specifically, you disregarded his own admission of guilt in message
> #49 of http://tinyurl.com/sdjq argued that there was no evidence of
> fraud.
No - I said that you had alleged fraud, not proven it.
You then tried to deflect the issue into an "art vs. art" vein.
> You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
You seem to be desperate to make me defend Simco - I just said you
hadn't proven your case. I guess you're just too stupid to realize this,
even though I've said it repeatedly.
>
>
>>and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
>>
>>>thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
>>>or Krav Maga at all!
>>
>>Define "at all".
>
>
> I'd be happy to. "At all" here means that in no way was I talking
> about BJJ as an art itself or in the manner in which it is practiced,
> nor about Krav Maga as an art or as it is practiced. "No way" here
> means that any implications you read into my remarks which are to the
> contrary of my stated aim of discrediting Simco only, are solely in
> your own mind.
So when you said that you like to take the air out of people who think
BJJ was the be all end all - that was against Simco? Silly.
Queso
El Queso
No, you are clearly supporting your arguement against Simco, right?
Queso
El Queso
So instead of you posting a message with a link - I'M supposed to read
50 messages to get to your point? Post your proof, dummy. Cut n paste it
with a link - you know how to do that, don't you?
>
>
>>You could just repeat the question over and over again,
>>but only a retard does that.
>
>
> I repeat the question because you constantly are bring up arguments
> irrelevant to my point.
You repeated the question in the SAME POST. Long before I could possibly
read your post - you were repeating yourself.
>
>
>>You have still provided no way to
>>independantly verify your claims.
>
>
> Courts of Law accept confessions of guilt, but it's not good enough
> for El Queso, I guess.
So post it, stupid. Cut it, paste it, and put a link to it so people can
doublecheck it.
>
>
>>I'm not saying you aren't right about
>>Simco, only that your arguement is unsupported by any evidence you
>>might've chosen to include such as links to the results of the state
>>championship you refer to. Again, I'm not saying it isn't so, only that
>>I give neither you, nor Simco the benefit of the doubt. I require cites,
>>not just your allegations. The quote you cite about the FL state
>>championship could be true or you could be lying. I believe you, in that
>>instance, about 65%, but until I've seen a page (not made by you) with
>>the results of Simco's matches - I don't make my mind up.
>
>
> Being the retard that I am, I will reiterate: Is the confession from
> Aranha sufficient for you?
Why don't you post it so I don't have to wade through thousands of
useless posts?
>
>
>>>>What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
>>>>shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
>>>>with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him.
>>>
>>>
>>>Probably right, if you are talking about a guy who has only practiced
>>>streetfighting or reality arts and nothing else with "alive" training
>>>like BJJ, Judo, or Muay Thai.
>>
>>No, I mean any guy called Krav Maga.
>
>
> Funny. Because actually I do practice BJJ. But I'm not going to
> argue this point because Simco most likely CAN wipe the "mat" with me
> since I am not a brown belt yet in BJJ.
But he is a fraud and a coward, by your reckoning. What does that make you?
I don't question that Simco
> is legitimately a BJJ brown since Michael Jen is his instructor, and
> Bolo is a straight shooter.
>
>
>>>But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
>>>fraud?
>>
>>Did you read my post? The point I made is that even if this guy is a
>>liar, it says nothing about BJJ,
>
>
> No. You didn't read my post. I
> _DID_NOT_SAY_ANYTHING_ABOUT_BJJ_AS_AN_ART_. Read my original post
> again with a bit more comprehension.
Eat your own asshole with pickle relish.
>
>
>>and if you're gonna talk about martial
>>arts frauds - there are tons of bigger ones to spend time on.
>
>
> That's my choice isn't it?
Yes - your selective choice to only go after BJJ guys and say you aren't
going after BJJ. Liar.
>
>
>>Come on
>>now, don't deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in your header.
>
>
> This is the part where your reading comprehension level comes in. I do
> deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in my header, because I put "BJJ
> author EXPOSED" in my header. And BJJ is only capitalized because BJJ
> is an acronym, not out of a secret insidious plot. Now what you read
> into it is your problem.
I exposed an acronym? Tabloid presentation. Sensationalist and
overdramatic.
>
>
>>Don't
>>pretend you aren't trying to make this reflect badly upon BJJ.
>
>
> You are wrong. I am trying to make this reflect badly on some
> practitioners of BJJ. Such as possibly you (if you are a
> practitioners that is).
How this would reflect badly on anyone but Simco is a mystery to me.
Fascinating world you live in where a guy who lies makes a guy who'd
never even heard of him look bad.
>
>
>>It
>>doesn't - there are frauds in every art - but in BJJ, it is very easy to
>>quickly find out who is teaching crap and who is teaching a workable
>>system.
>
>
> True, but irrelevant point since you were wrong about my aims.
Actually - I just think you're lying. I simply don't believe you here.
>
>
>>Many, if not most, martial arts schools teach a pattycake style
>>of crap that it takes either a long time or a brief encounter to find
>>out thats it is bullshit.
>
>
> True, but again it's an irrelevant point.
>
>
>>>>Krav Maga is not helped
>>>>by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
>>>
>>>
>>>Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
>>>side or helps another?
>>
>>Your imaginary sides battle in your head only. You pimp Krav Maga (or is
>>it modified KM now?), and Krav Maga is mostly chalkboard talk.
>
>
> My pimping of Krav Maga is only imaginary and in your head. In this
> posting, I never pimped Krav Maga. You read my name and "visions of
> sugar plums" danced in your head. You are shadow boxing El Queso.
Your desperate jealousy of BJJ fighters is showing every time you dig so
hard and only find piddly shit like this.
>
>
>>You want
>>to badmouth BJJ but have difficulty doing so, so you find obscure lies
>>in an individual's bio.
>
>
> I don't want to badmouth BJJ. I want to badmouth certain practioners
> and find that I can't unless I have a concrete example.
And what a doozy it was. You extrapolated cowardice, fraud and all
manner of ill from the FL state champ story.
>
>
>>Are you saying Simco can't fight, or isn't fit
>>to teach BJJ?
>
>
> No. I am only saying he is a FRAUD.
So tell it to him personally, tough guy.
>
> Personally, I believe he is a brown belt level BJJer. Probably can't
> fight (compared with other competition quality purple belt level
> BJJers).
Easy to prove. Get to it.
(But how can we know as he will call the police if anyone
> comes challenging him now?)
Do you have proof of this?
And from the look of his books and the
> performance of NYMAG's competition team in the local tournaments, he
> probably is a good teacher.
>
>
>>That would be a claim worth investigating.
>
>
> It would be, but the first can't be tested. He did just participate
> in a tournament match recently which he lost 5-0, but I am also not
> saying that one fight would determine whether or not he can fight.
>
>
>>If you're just
>>saying that he got a 3rd place trophy and called himself a state
>>champ... it's sleazy, and a bit disingenuous, but hardly Frank Dux.
>
>
> You forgot to say, HE'S A FRAUD.
If one lie makes a man a fraud - then you too are a fraud. If you're
going to tell me you have never lied - I'll know it is pathalogical.
>
>
>>>>This seems like a
>>>>desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
>>>>actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
>>>>find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
>>>
>>>
>>>BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
>>>fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
>>>further and further from that environment.
>>
>>Firearms are better than Krav Maga at non grappling/trapping range. BJJ
>>is better than Krav Maga in grappling/trapping range.
>
>
> Again, the claims against Krav Maga. Note I am not responding because
> as I said earlier, I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF.
Ah, just mixed with other arts - but you ARE DEFENDING IT!! You just
admitted it.
>
>
>>>> I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
>>>>claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them.
>>
>>Gee, why would that be? You're transparent. You didn't just happen by
>>this Simco thing - it is part of your ongoing effort to build a case
>>against an art that you see as competition.
>
>
> Nope. I don't feel like exposing them because my "imaginary" beef is
> with big-headed BJJers right now.
So go fight them. Show them reality. It is hilarious how you jump back
and forth between "It's Simco!" and "It's the big-headed BJJers" as you
need to evade.
>
>
>>Once the list of factoids is
>>big enough, maybe you can have a "BJJ is fraudulent" page.
>
>
> Wrong again. But I might have a "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
You mean a Krav Maga page?
>
>
>> It is
>>
>>>presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
>>>exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
>>
>>
>>I imagine we'll be waiting quite a while for that.
>
>
> Probably.
Undoubtedly.
Because I am presently more interested in BJJ than Krav
> Maga. Personally that is.
I assuemed you meant personally when you used the word "I".
>
>
>>>But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
>>>to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>>
>>It was just an assertion with little evidence to support it. Again, I'm
>>just saying you make a weak case and if the lie is real - it may or may
>>not reflect on Simco's actual ability.
>
>
> I did not speak to his actual abilities or lack of them.
Not until this post. Now you have.
I merely
> said he is a FRAUD.
And a coward - don't forget that.
>
>
>>Jesus, how many times will you
>>ask the same question in one post? This isn't a speech - it is a
>>conversation.
>
>
> And you should try to address the points and not my rhetorical style.
The problem with your style is that it doesn't want an answer - it wants
to reiterate without hearing the answer to the question that is repeated.
>
>
>>>>Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
>>>>the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
>>>no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
>>>146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
>>>Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break.
>>
>>I don't have the book, so I couldn't say.
>
>
> Well, I do have the book. And so I say.
And that is as real as it is until I see the book, get it? Just like any
allegation you make.
You don't have that. You have a link to a webpage. You are a fraud. You
claimed to have a written confession, but you only had a link. Oh, you
dirty liar - how could you be so fraudulent? FRAUD!!!! FRAUDSTER!!!
>
> But my comments about misdirection were not regarding your reaction to
> what I said in my original post. Misdirection refers to how you
> reacted to what I DID NOT SAY.
I addressed what you DID say, so how is what followed misdirection?
>
>
>>Again
>>
>>>I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
>>>do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>>
>>Do you not see how stupid it is to reiterate a question that has been
>>asked and answered repeatedly?
>
>
> No more than your three time reiteration of this question about my
> rhetorical style.
Get it?
>
>
>>>>At least Simco's claims of
>>>>being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
>>>>street.
>>>
>>>
>>>It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
>>>the street as badass Aranha...
>>>
>>>But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
>>>DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
>>
>>You shout because you're desperate. You repeat because you cannot
>>create. you'tre a nitpicky seeker, collecting factoids about your
>>competition.
>
>
> You have made this up whole cloth. You assume based on my screen name
> without knowing why I chose it. You have whipped up an entire
> imaginary enemy.
No - I have seen 2 instances of you doing this now.
>
> BJJ is not my competition. It is my avocation. BJJers are my
> "competition".
No - you cannot compete with them, or you would.
>
>
>>If you find a new discrediting factoid about BJJ - you post
>>it like a tabloid headline.
>
>
> Yes. If it relates to my real aim which is to show that BJJ is not
> "holier than thou".
So again you admit that it isn't really about Simco, even though you
insisted it was. You are such a lying fraud.
>
>
>>You dance in glee at the ability to expose a
>> BJJ fraud, but you're not currently interested in looking into Krav
>>Maga fraud or the fraud of other arts.
>
>
> Partly true. The part that is true is that I am not interested at the
> present in "exposing" Krav Maga frauds, although I know there are many
> there.
But you need to protect us from the BJJ'ers, right?
>
>
>>You are one-sided against
>>something that is more-than-likely far superior to what you practice.
>
>
> Well. This is not mathematically possible since I practice BJJ, among
> other things. "A > A" is not a syllogism.
That is only assuming that you practice the real thing in a real way
against real opponents in all the things you mix. In my experience - I
have seen lots of style-mixing chalkboard talkers that liked to talk
about lots of great stuff, and do very little of it.
>
>
>>Don't worry though, I know your art is far too deadly to use for real
>>against anyone but terrorists or criminals
>
>
> Well, as "Clark Kent", I'll try part of it at the Copa Atlantica and
> see if anyone dies. But *SPORT* BJJ rarely kills, so I expect that I
> won't be arrested after Saturday.
How much has your art killed?
>
>
>>- so I won't expect you to
>>prove anything in martial arts or elsewhere.
>>Queso
>
>
> That's good. Because I am not in a position to prove anything to you.
Even when you have the ability to do so.
> If I show who I am, I would likely get kicked out of my BJJ school for
> my beliefs.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
For you see, even in my immediate environment, all are
> like you.
They require more than just your statement to believe something?
*THIS* is why I am "Krav Maga".
Dumbass - I'm not even a BJJ guy. You just assumed that since I didn't
take your word on Simco that I'm a BJJ'er - stupid.
Queso
mark goldberg
who was formerly kravmaga,
> mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<Mg_mb.1348$Cd6.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>>>
>>
>>So... it's not Simco??
>
>
> no.
Your still howling at the wind.
You don' seem to get that.
>>So... if it's not your point, and it's bjj you want to address... then ????
>
>
> It's not BJJ that I want to address. It's *some* BJJ practitioners
> that I want to address. I want to expose the "holier than thou"
> attitude that many BJJers have regarding this art. And I may rip a
> few holes to do it.
ok... but why not just come out and say that, make a point about some
practitioners- and assert.
All you've done is attack one guy to say he's not what he says he is...
to imply that that's what bjj does.
Now that's NOT attacking SOME practitioners- it's attacking the art by
saying if one guy is not totally honest, ergo the art is not honest,
rather than simply asserting what is it that is not accurate.
Your being a smear artist, rather than making for a thread that sifts
and winnows.
You attack the man... claiming it's not the man, it's other men, not the
art, BUT
It's really the art.
You just aren't honest enough to talk plainly.
>>But the mallomar was delicious
>>
Yes... it was
Mark
red power ranger
Of course not. This statement you indicate had nothing to do with my
thesis about Simco being a fraud. As I pointed out in another
message, Gi's question to me regarded BJJ itself and had nothing to
with my thesis since I was talking about Simco and not BJJ, so in
response I gave here an answer which has nothing to do with Simco
either. Instead it is a contingent justification of why I wouldn't
have said anything negative about BJJ itself. Is that clear now or
are you capable of understanding only simple arguments?
Bateer
> in a similar way that finding out that Jesus was a fraud would put a
> shadow over his teachings in the Scriptures.
i still don't see how he is a fraud. your proof is a bunch of posts on
an internet messageboard.
Simco holds legit belts from legit BJJ instructors. that "Bolo" guy
defending him in the threads is BJJ blackbelt Michael Jen. Simco is
also publicly endorsed by BJJ blackbelt Gustavo Machado and John
Hackleman, who trains Chuck Liddell for frig's sake. who am i gonna
believe, those guys with boatloads of cred or some anonymous internet
posters?
And whether or not Simco has won tournaments, his students definitely
have so he must be doing something right. i've got his instructional
material too and it's solid. there's nothing fraudulent about the
positions or techniques described in his books. hell, i used the far
armbar from knee on belly i learned from the Master Text just last
weekend.
of course you don't care about any of that. no, some unsubstantiated
allegations on an internet messageboard about the guy's website proves
he's a "fraud." a 20 second internet video of him kneeriding a student
proves he's a "fraud." pfff. this is web warrior crap.
if you feel that passionately about it, e-mail him personally. better
yet, go to his club and roll with him. i'm sure if you approached in a
non-confrontational manner he'd oblige. whatever the guy says in his
bio, if he can beat you, you have things to learn from him.
Bateer
> on his books (including the horribly expensive 2nd edition of his
> Master Text). That makes me very miffed.
are you questioning the stuff in his books? is there anything fake in
them? is there nothing you can learn from them?
Brian Cimins, the guy behind the Grappler's Quest tourneys, says
they're the best BJJ books on the market. but i guess he doesn't know
what he's talking about, huh?
you are confusing Simco's character and promotional methods with his
ability and instruction. the Gracies have used similar promotional
methods. Rickson says he's frigging 400-0. are you going to call him a
fraud? are you going to say you can't learn from him either?
i personally don't give a damn what Simco says to sell his stuff. i
don't care if he's a good husband or if he lied about the size of his
dick. all i care about is if his stuff works. all the evidence points
to the conclusion that it does.
red power ranger
> red power ranger wrote:
> > El Queso <the_chees...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3F9C839B...@yahoo.com>...
> >
> >>Krav Maga wrote:
> >>
> >>>"GreenDistantStar" <GreenDis...@bigpond.com> wrote in message news:<gJXmb.166384$bo1.1...@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>"Krav Maga" <krav...@japan.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:a9a4c223.03102...@posting.google.com...
> >>>>
> >>>>Aranha WAS exposed as a fraud. You
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>only show your colors as a unrepentant BJJ apologist if you try to
> >>>>>argue otherwise.
> >>>>
> >>>>A disinterested observer may come to the same conclusion, but you have them
> >>>>conveniently pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist' beforehand.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>No. I have El Queso pigeon-holed as an 'unrepentant BJJ apologist'.
> >>
> >>But that is only because you're an idiot. I said I had a problem with
> >>your offerings of proof and you call me a BJJ guy. Funny.
> >
> >
> > No El Queso. Try to pretend you can read. I called you a "BJJ
> > apologist". A BJJ apologist may or may not be a "BJJ guy" if the
> > latter implies you practice BJJ. Note elsewhere that I even wondered
> > if you practice BJJ or not. I did never assumed it.
>
> Learn to comprehend words - I did not apologize at any point for BJJ.
> For me to do so, I would have to first believe that what you'd said
> reflected badly on BJJ - which I clearly stated it didn't.
No my friend, it is you that should comprehend words. Check your
dictionary. The word "apologize" includes two primary senses. The
first is of the sense "to make excuse for or regretful acknowledgment
of a fault or offense". From your comment, it appears this is the only
sense you are familiar with. However the second sense is "to make a
defense or justification in speech or writing". Obviously such a
defense does not require any admission at all. You would not have to
say that you first believe that what I'd said reflected badly on BJJ
in order to make any defense. It is this latter sense of the word I
was referring to when I called you a "BJJ apologist".
Again your weakness in vocabulary shows. I did not mean "apologize"
in the sense that you are referring to.
> > I mean "apologizing" in the sense of making a defense for him.
>
> All I did was say you provided no proof - which you didn't. You could've
> claimed that the space shuttle flew for the first time on a Tuesday -
> without a cite - you get no firm belief from me.
That would be reasonable, if I didn't provide you with a link to a
confession of guilt. Would you like me to break it down for you so
you can see all of the threads of the argument?
> > Specifically, you disregarded his own admission of guilt in message
> > #49 of http://tinyurl.com/sdjq argued that there was no evidence of
> > fraud.
>
> No - I said that you had alleged fraud, not proven it.
In the thread I pointed you to (http://tinyurl.com/sdjq), Simco
himself says on October 14th at 1:07PM:
"State Champion
My web guys and students help a lot on the site. This is something
that was posted on my bio that I did not rely on to sell books.
Someone brought it to my attention that third place was not champion.
I agreed and requested that it be removed. My book sales have not
been affected by this."
This is as much a confession of guilt. Not only does he admit that
his bio said he was Florida State Champion, but also he admits that he
only placed third. In my book, this is a fraud.
> You then tried to deflect the issue into an "art vs. art" vein.
> > You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
>
> You seem to be desperate to make me defend Simco - I just said you
> hadn't proven your case. I guess you're just too stupid to realize this,
> even though I've said it repeatedly.
I did not say you are defending Simco. I said you are a "BJJ
apologist". Allow me to quote from your earlier message: El Queso:
"...What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him. Krav Maga is not helped
by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother? This seems like a
desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...". I'll bet
nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild claims and
ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them. Fer
Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to the
filtrum bullshit as if it were real. At least Simco's claims of being
in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
street."
Every sentence of this excerpt is either an attack on another art, or
a defense of BJJ or Simco.
Allow me to quote from my original post: Krav Maga: "Subject: BJJ
author EXPOSED as a scammer and a fraud! Body: People 'in the know'
have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as a scammer and a
fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for yourself! See the
following links for the evidence and discussion:
http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th msg)
http://tinyurl.com/sdjr http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
http://tinyurl.com/sdjt You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!"
Note that none of the statements and questions from the excerpt I
quoted from your message address my only statement in my short post
which is "People 'in the know' have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha"
Simco, as a scammer and a fraud".
> >>and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
> >>
> >>>thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
> >>>or Krav Maga at all!
> >>
> >>Define "at all".
> >
> >
> > I'd be happy to. "At all" here means that in no way was I talking
> > about BJJ as an art itself or in the manner in which it is practiced,
> > nor about Krav Maga as an art or as it is practiced. "No way" here
> > means that any implications you read into my remarks which are to the
> > contrary of my stated aim of discrediting Simco only, are solely in
> > your own mind.
>
>
> So when you said that you like to take the air out of people who think
> BJJ was the be all end all - that was against Simco? Silly.
No. You are referring to another statement that I made in response to
a question which did not relate to my thesis at all. If you suddenly
out of the blue say to me right now, "But red power ranger, you hate
children" which is in no way related to my original thesis about Simco
and then I respond with a "No. I don't hate children. I just hate
adults that act like children.", you would not be justified in
pointing out that "I just hate adults that act like children" shows
that I am not just talking about Simco when it was made in response to
your comment was not related to Simco either.
red power ranger
And if Jesus was proved to be honest, would it change your perceptions of the Bible?
red power ranger
> red power ranger wrote:
>
> who was formerly kravmaga,
>
>
> > mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<Mg_mb.1348$Cd6.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>
> >>>
> >>
> >>So... it's not Simco??
> >
> >
> > no.
>
>
> Your still howling at the wind.
> You don' seem to get that.
Snap out of it man. Medical doctors are trained to use inductive and
deductive reasoning. How is the comment "Your still howling at the
wind. You don' seem to get that." related to your question "So... it's
not Simco??" and my answer "no."?
> >>So... if it's not your point, and it's bjj you want to address... then ????
> >
> >
> > It's not BJJ that I want to address. It's *some* BJJ practitioners
> > that I want to address. I want to expose the "holier than thou"
> > attitude that many BJJers have regarding this art. And I may rip a
> > few holes to do it.
>
> ok... but why not just come out and say that, make a point about some
> practitioners- and assert.
Because this was not my thesis. My thesis was only "People 'in the
know' have exposed BJJ author, Gene 'Aranha' Simco, as a scammer and a
fraud."
I may have other opinions, and even reasons I have chosen to be miffed
at Simco's fraud which are unrelated to my thesis. However, I never
presented these as related to the thesis in any way. I tried to make
it clear that they represent my feelings.
> All you've done is attack one guy to say he's not what he says he is...
Yes.
> to imply that that's what bjj does.
No. Logic, please. When you see a shadow on the CT, do you
automatically assume it is a tumor? No. You probe, test and verify.
Then how can you connect these two statements?
> Now that's NOT attacking SOME practitioners- it's attacking the art by
> saying if one guy is not totally honest, ergo the art is not honest,
> rather than simply asserting what is it that is not accurate.
This on the other hand is logical. However, you spoiled it by
breaking the connective thread before. Attacking an art by attacking
practitioners is dishonest and inaccurate. A pity that is not what I
did.
> Your being a smear artist, rather than making for a thread that sifts
> and winnows.
I did not smear. I made a statement based on the evidence. (Note
that even in my original post, I said "evidence" not "proof".) Such
evidence gives me reason to believe and to say that he is a fraud
because we are not operating in a court of law.
Your statement would imply that if I called Lee Boyd Malvo and John
Mohammed murderers at this point based on my personal assessment of
the evidence, and I would to make this clear on a forum such as this
one, it would be acting as a "smear artist" because the cases haven't
been proved. Well you would be entitled to this opinion, but I think
it is misplaced.
> You attack the man... claiming it's not the man, it's other men, not the
> art,
Where did I say I wasn't attacking the man? That I hold negative
feeling towards certain "other men" in not in my thesis.
> BUT
> It's really the art.
Use your vast intellect and show me where I am attacking the art in
the few post I have made. Please cite specific sentences and
statements and not "general impressions".
> You just aren't honest enough to talk plainly.
You have just constructed what I referred to in another message as a
"vision of sugar plums". You have not shown logically how my original
thesis relates in a continuous fashion to an attack on the art.
Aristeia
"red power ranger" <redpowe...@japan.com> wrote in message
news:8d70c702.0310...@posting.google.com...
Terrible analogy. Simco's merit can be tested. You can roll with him. You
can roll with his students. You can check out his students records. You can
listen to what others with credibility have to say about the utility of his
material. In the case of Jesus you gotta wait until you die before you
verify.
red power ranger
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El Queso <the_chees...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3F9D113...@yahoo.com>...
See my other message where I posted it in response to you.
> >>You could just repeat the question over and over again,
> >>but only a retard does that.
> >
> >
> > I repeat the question because you constantly are bring up arguments
> > irrelevant to my point.
>
> You repeated the question in the SAME POST. Long before I could possibly
> read your post - you were repeating yourself.
Perhaps its because professionally, I have to address every point made
in a filing, this is my style. What is it to you? I addressed every
one of you points one by one with a remark that it was irrelevant. If
you think that was overkill, then so be it. Obviously you come from a
different background.
> >>You have still provided no way to
> >>independantly verify your claims.
> >
> >
> > Courts of Law accept confessions of guilt, but it's not good enough
> > for El Queso, I guess.
>
> So post it, stupid. Cut it, paste it, and put a link to it so people can
> doublecheck it.
See above.
> >>I'm not saying you aren't right about
> >>Simco, only that your arguement is unsupported by any evidence you
> >>might've chosen to include such as links to the results of the state
> >>championship you refer to. Again, I'm not saying it isn't so, only that
> >>I give neither you, nor Simco the benefit of the doubt. I require cites,
> >>not just your allegations. The quote you cite about the FL state
> >>championship could be true or you could be lying. I believe you, in that
> >>instance, about 65%, but until I've seen a page (not made by you) with
> >>the results of Simco's matches - I don't make my mind up.
> >
> >
> > Being the retard that I am, I will reiterate: Is the confession from
> > Aranha sufficient for you?
>
> Why don't you post it so I don't have to wade through thousands of
> useless posts?
See above.
> >>>>What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
> >>>>shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
> >>>>with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Probably right, if you are talking about a guy who has only practiced
> >>>streetfighting or reality arts and nothing else with "alive" training
> >>>like BJJ, Judo, or Muay Thai.
> >>
> >>No, I mean any guy called Krav Maga.
> >
> >
> > Funny. Because actually I do practice BJJ. But I'm not going to
> > argue this point because Simco most likely CAN wipe the "mat" with me
> > since I am not a brown belt yet in BJJ.
>
> But he is a fraud and a coward, by your reckoning. What does that make you?
It makes me someone who can't beat a fraud and a coward on a mat.
And? What was your point here? Are you about to make another
illogical association?
> I don't question that Simco
> > is legitimately a BJJ brown since Michael Jen is his instructor, and
> > Bolo is a straight shooter.
> >
> >
> >>>But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
> >>>fraud?
> >>
> >>Did you read my post? The point I made is that even if this guy is a
> >>liar, it says nothing about BJJ,
> >
> >
> > No. You didn't read my post. I
> > _DID_NOT_SAY_ANYTHING_ABOUT_BJJ_AS_AN_ART_. Read my original post
> > again with a bit more comprehension.
>
> Eat your own asshole with pickle relish.
Your comment is not logically related to my statement and shows that
you don't have a leg to stand on here.
But thanks. And you have a dick cookie on me!
> >>and if you're gonna talk about martial
> >>arts frauds - there are tons of bigger ones to spend time on.
> >
> >
> > That's my choice isn't it?
>
> Yes - your selective choice to only go after BJJ guys and say you aren't
> going after BJJ. Liar.
I "went after" one BJJ guy. I made a statement about my feeling about
"some" other BJJ guys. I never made any statement regarding the art.
You are being completely illogical.
> >>Come on
> >>now, don't deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in your header.
> >
> >
> > This is the part where your reading comprehension level comes in. I do
> > deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in my header, because I put "BJJ
> > author EXPOSED" in my header. And BJJ is only capitalized because BJJ
> > is an acronym, not out of a secret insidious plot. Now what you read
> > into it is your problem.
>
> I exposed an acronym? Tabloid presentation. Sensationalist and
> overdramatic.
No you are implying that "BJJ author EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ (author)
EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ ... EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ EXPOSED". I deny that
this is intentional.
I agree that it the entire headline is of a tabloid flavor and
sensationalistic/dramatic. This was completely intentional with my
capitalization of "EXPOSED". However, note that I did not capitalize
"scammer" and "fraud" in the 'headline'. And as I remarked, "BJJ" is
only capitalized since it is an acronym. Otherwise it would have
read: "bjj author EXPOSE as a scammer and a fraud!". And bjj is not
the proper capitalization of the acronym as you should have learned in
elementary school.
> >>Don't
> >>pretend you aren't trying to make this reflect badly upon BJJ.
> >
> >
> > You are wrong. I am trying to make this reflect badly on some
> > practitioners of BJJ. Such as possibly you (if you are a
> > practitioners that is).
>
> How this would reflect badly on anyone but Simco is a mystery to me.
> Fascinating world you live in where a guy who lies makes a guy who'd
> never even heard of him look bad.
My remark here was out of order and just a response to my perception
of your statement, "Don't pretend you aren't trying to make this
reflect badly upon BJJ". I did not mean to point the finger at you.
I was only showing that some practitioners (ok, ok, "A" practitioner)
is unethical.
I will admit freely that as I get evidence that other practitioners
have behaved in an unethical manner, I will present it. Currently,
UNRELATED TO MY THESIS, the only other thing I can present is that
Rickson has claimed a 400-0 record which is at least 399-1 if not
worse. (This difference of one point may be petty, but it is
significant if you think about it because it is some reflection on
Rickson that for marketing reasons, he refuses to admit he was EVER
defeated. I WILL SAY AGAIN: THIS COMMENT ABOUT RICKSON IS TOTALLY AN
ASIDE. I DO NOT MEAN FOR IT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO MY THESIS.)
> >>It
> >>doesn't - there are frauds in every art - but in BJJ, it is very easy to
> >>quickly find out who is teaching crap and who is teaching a workable
> >>system.
> >
> > True, but irrelevant point since you were wrong about my aims.
>
> Actually - I just think you're lying. I simply don't believe you here.
Irrelevant. You didn't preface your original comment with any
statement that you were making this comment because you think I am
lying. Therefore your comment itself was still unconnected to my
original thesis.
> >>Many, if not most, martial arts schools teach a pattycake style
> >>of crap that it takes either a long time or a brief encounter to find
> >>out thats it is bullshit.
> >
> >
> > True, but again it's an irrelevant point.
> >
> >
> >>>>Krav Maga is not helped
> >>>>by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
> >>>side or helps another?
> >>
> >>Your imaginary sides battle in your head only. You pimp Krav Maga (or is
> >>it modified KM now?), and Krav Maga is mostly chalkboard talk.
> >
> >
> > My pimping of Krav Maga is only imaginary and in your head. In this
> > posting, I never pimped Krav Maga. You read my name and "visions of
> > sugar plums" danced in your head. You are shadow boxing El Queso.
>
> Your desperate jealousy of BJJ fighters is showing every time you dig so
> hard and only find piddly shit like this.
Not logically shown by my remarks.
> >>You want
> >>to badmouth BJJ but have difficulty doing so, so you find obscure lies
> >>in an individual's bio.
> >
> >
> > I don't want to badmouth BJJ. I want to badmouth certain practioners
> > and find that I can't unless I have a concrete example.
>
> And what a doozy it was. You extrapolated cowardice, fraud and all
> manner of ill from the FL state champ story.
I said it is a fraud. I have defined fraud for you already as if you
could not do that yourself. II did not extrapolate cowardice from
that. I extrapolated cowardice from his unwillingness to meet Justin
Garcia, a new purple belt, on the mat and his claim that he would call
the police if Justin showed up uninvited at his academy. I did not
extrapolate "all manner of ills". This is an elaboration on your
part.
> >>Are you saying Simco can't fight, or isn't fit
> >>to teach BJJ?
> >
> >
> > No. I am only saying he is a FRAUD.
>
> So tell it to him personally, tough guy.
>
> >
> > Personally, I believe he is a brown belt level BJJer. Probably can't
> > fight (compared with other competition quality purple belt level
> > BJJers).
>
> Easy to prove. Get to it.
Sorry, I am not a competition quality purple belt level BJJer. That
would have to be Justin Garcia or someone like that. And Simco is not
presently accepting challenges (according to his message).
> (But how can we know as he will call the police if anyone
> > comes challenging him now?)
>
> Do you have proof of this?
Not if you don't accept a link to a webpage and you would rather see a
signed and notarized statement.
> And from the look of his books and the
> > performance of NYMAG's competition team in the local tournaments, he
> > probably is a good teacher.
> >
> >
> >>That would be a claim worth investigating.
> >
> >
> > It would be, but the first can't be tested. He did just participate
> > in a tournament match recently which he lost 5-0, but I am also not
> > saying that one fight would determine whether or not he can fight.
> >
> >
> >>If you're just
> >>saying that he got a 3rd place trophy and called himself a state
> >>champ... it's sleazy, and a bit disingenuous, but hardly Frank Dux.
> >
> >
> > You forgot to say, HE'S A FRAUD.
>
> If one lie makes a man a fraud - then you too are a fraud. If you're
> going to tell me you have never lied - I'll know it is pathalogical.
When you make a lie in order to gain, then you are committing a fraud.
> >>>>This seems like a
> >>>>desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
> >>>>actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
> >>>>find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
> >>>fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
> >>>further and further from that environment.
> >>
> >>Firearms are better than Krav Maga at non grappling/trapping range. BJJ
> >>is better than Krav Maga in grappling/trapping range.
> >
> >
> > Again, the claims against Krav Maga. Note I am not responding because
> > as I said earlier, I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF.
>
> Ah, just mixed with other arts - but you ARE DEFENDING IT!! You just
> admitted it.
No. I didn't say that either. I have not decided whether Krav Maga
combined with other arts is worth defending yet. I said that I would
not defend it standing alone. Be logical, please.
> >>>> I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
> >>>>claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them.
> >>
> >>Gee, why would that be? You're transparent. You didn't just happen by
> >>this Simco thing - it is part of your ongoing effort to build a case
> >>against an art that you see as competition.
> >
> >
> > Nope. I don't feel like exposing them because my "imaginary" beef is
> > with big-headed BJJers right now.
>
> So go fight them. Show them reality. It is hilarious how you jump back
> and forth between "It's Simco!" and "It's the big-headed BJJers" as you
> need to evade.
You are wrong. I am talking about Simco, but you keep trying to
redirect to other theses. When I answer these others, you try to tie
it to my original thesis. This is what is silly. Is a person only
supposed to hold a single idea and a single aim in his head at any
given time?
> >>Once the list of factoids is
> >>big enough, maybe you can have a "BJJ is fraudulent" page.
> >
> >
> > Wrong again. But I might have a "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
>
> You mean a Krav Maga page?
No. I said what I mean. A "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
> >> It is
> >>
> >>>presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
> >>>exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
> >>
> >>
> >>I imagine we'll be waiting quite a while for that.
> >
> >
> > Probably.
>
> Undoubtedly.
>
> Because I am presently more interested in BJJ than Krav
> > Maga. Personally that is.
>
> I assuemed you meant personally when you used the word "I".
>
> >
> >
> >>>But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
> >>>to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
> >>
> >>It was just an assertion with little evidence to support it. Again, I'm
> >>just saying you make a weak case and if the lie is real - it may or may
> >>not reflect on Simco's actual ability.
> >
> >
> > I did not speak to his actual abilities or lack of them.
>
> Not until this post. Now you have.
No. You confuse opinion with statements. I gave an opinion on his
ability or lack of them.
> I merely
> > said he is a FRAUD.
>
> And a coward - don't forget that.
Yes.
> >>Jesus, how many times will you
> >>ask the same question in one post? This isn't a speech - it is a
> >>conversation.
> >
> >
> > And you should try to address the points and not my rhetorical style.
>
> The problem with your style is that it doesn't want an answer - it wants
> to reiterate without hearing the answer to the question that is repeated.
This is not logically tied to my statement.
> >>>>Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
> >>>>the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
> >>>no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
> >>>146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
> >>>Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break.
> >>
> >>I don't have the book, so I couldn't say.
> >
> >
> > Well, I do have the book. And so I say.
>
> And that is as real as it is until I see the book, get it? Just like any
> allegation you make.
Have you travelled around the world? How do you know it is not flat?
I see. Not only confessions, but signed, witnessed and/or notarized
count.
> > But my comments about misdirection were not regarding your reaction to
> > what I said in my original post. Misdirection refers to how you
> > reacted to what I DID NOT SAY.
>
> I addressed what you DID say, so how is what followed misdirection?
No. See my other post in answer to you where I excerpted what you
said.
> >>Again
> >>
> >>>I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
> >>>do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
> >>
> >>Do you not see how stupid it is to reiterate a question that has been
> >>asked and answered repeatedly?
> >
> >
> > No more than your three time reiteration of this question about my
> > rhetorical style.
>
> Get it?
Rhetoric is not substance. It is style. Discussions about rhetorics
suggest a lack of willingness to talk about substance.
> >>>>At least Simco's claims of
> >>>>being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
> >>>>street.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
> >>>the street as badass Aranha...
> >>>
> >>>But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
> >>>DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
> >>
> >>You shout because you're desperate. You repeat because you cannot
> >>create. you'tre a nitpicky seeker, collecting factoids about your
> >>competition.
> >
> >
> > You have made this up whole cloth. You assume based on my screen name
> > without knowing why I chose it. You have whipped up an entire
> > imaginary enemy.
>
> No - I have seen 2 instances of you doing this now.
Instances of me "doing" what? My comment doesn't have me "doing" or
"not doing" anything. In fact in my 3 sentences, the only action verb
I use is "assume" with regard to you. Be more precise, please.
>
> >
> > BJJ is not my competition. It is my avocation. BJJers are my
> > "competition".
>
> No - you cannot compete with them, or you would.
I can compete with them. I sometimes will win and sometimes will
lose. Winning or losing doesn't effect the competion itself.
> >>If you find a new discrediting factoid about BJJ - you post
> >>it like a tabloid headline.
> >
> >
> > Yes. If it relates to my real aim which is to show that BJJ is not
> > "holier than thou".
>
> So again you admit that it isn't really about Simco, even though you
> insisted it was. You are such a lying fraud.
We are talking about another of my aims. It has nothing to do with my
thesis about Simco. What would you like to do when you grow up El
Queso? Where would you like to be in 30 years? Will your answers
necessarily relate to your argument? And if they do happen to relate,
would you expect that they relate directly or indirectly?
> >>You dance in glee at the ability to expose a
> >> BJJ fraud, but you're not currently interested in looking into Krav
> >>Maga fraud or the fraud of other arts.
> >
> >
> > Partly true. The part that is true is that I am not interested at the
> > present in "exposing" Krav Maga frauds, although I know there are many
> > there.
>
> But you need to protect us from the BJJ'ers, right?
I don't need to protect you from anything. I am not a Ralph Nader. I
assume you are a big boy now and can protect yourself. I will state
what I state and make a suggestion (such as not buying Simco's books).
> >>You are one-sided against
> >>something that is more-than-likely far superior to what you practice.
> >
> >
> > Well. This is not mathematically possible since I practice BJJ, among
> > other things. "A > A" is not a syllogism.
>
> That is only assuming that you practice the real thing in a real way
> against real opponents in all the things you mix. In my experience - I
> have seen lots of style-mixing chalkboard talkers that liked to talk
> about lots of great stuff, and do very little of it.
Nope. This only assumes that I practice BJJ in a real way against
real opponents. I do not plan on using anything against BJJers on a
mat.
> >>Don't worry though, I know your art is far too deadly to use for real
> >>against anyone but terrorists or criminals
> >
> >
> > Well, as "Clark Kent", I'll try part of it at the Copa Atlantica and
> > see if anyone dies. But *SPORT* BJJ rarely kills, so I expect that I
> > won't be arrested after Saturday.
>
> How much has your art killed?
I have no knowledge of BJJ killing anyone, in fact. I'd be interested
in any cite to the contrary.
> >>- so I won't expect you to
> >>prove anything in martial arts or elsewhere.
> >>Queso
> >
> >
> > That's good. Because I am not in a position to prove anything to you.
>
> Even when you have the ability to do so.
>
> > If I show who I am, I would likely get kicked out of my BJJ school for
> > my beliefs.
>
> BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
You doubt this? Many BJJers are completely close-minded. If I make
highly critical remarks like this about BJJ practitioner(s), then
first I will find my fellow students rolling HARDER with me on the
mat, and then I would find myself in unnecessary talks with my
instructor(s). Why is this surprising?
> For you see, even in my immediate environment, all are
> > like you.
>
> They require more than just your statement to believe something?
I have made a statement based on a presentation of evidence.
Obviously you would like to believe that Malvo and Mohammed might be
innocent, but I am content to believe (and state) otherwise.
> *THIS* is why I am "Krav Maga".
>
> Dumbass - I'm not even a BJJ guy. You just assumed that since I didn't
> take your word on Simco that I'm a BJJ'er - stupid.
I did not say you were a "BJJ guy". I said that you are a "BJJ
apologist". See the definition above.
Badger South
>WARNING! WARNING! I AM ABOUT TO 'RETRACT' ONE OF THE
>STATEMENTS/COMMENTS I MADE EARLIER, PROVING THAT I DON'T BELONG
>IN THIS FORUM!
Think: Groucho. Cigar.
-B
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El Queso
I have not done this, fraudster.
Obviously such a
> defense does not require any admission at all. You would not have to
> say that you first believe that what I'd said reflected badly on BJJ
> in order to make any defense. It is this latter sense of the word I
> was referring to when I called you a "BJJ apologist".
>
I see - you can't give me any examples of why I'm a BJJ apologist (to
you), but I'm expected to take your word for it again. Typical.
A link that has the factoid you want me to see buried in the middle of
HUNDREDS of posts. You don't say "I have proof, here" and hand someone a
tome. You open it to the page you want, and point to the proof.
Would you like me to break it down for you so
> you can see all of the threads of the argument?
No - just provide proof for your allegations when you make them.
>
>
>>>Specifically, you disregarded his own admission of guilt in message
>>>#49 of http://tinyurl.com/sdjq argued that there was no evidence of
>>>fraud.
>>
>>No - I said that you had alleged fraud, not proven it.
>
>
> In the thread I pointed you to (http://tinyurl.com/sdjq), Simco
> himself says on October 14th at 1:07PM:
> "State Champion
> My web guys and students help a lot on the site. This is something
> that was posted on my bio that I did not rely on to sell books.
> Someone brought it to my attention that third place was not champion.
> I agreed and requested that it be removed. My book sales have not
> been affected by this."
I see an admission of a mistake - but not an admission of guilt for a
lie. This is not a confession.
>
> This is as much a confession of guilt.
No - it is a statement that a mistake was made. it does not say WHO made
the mistake, does it?
Not only does he admit that
> his bio said he was Florida State Champion, but also he admits that he
> only placed third. In my book, this is a fraud.
He doesn't admit that HE wrote that though, does he? In my book - that
makes you a fraud.
>
>
>>You then tried to deflect the issue into an "art vs. art" vein.
>>
>>> You either cannot understand that or you can and you chose to lie.
>>
>>You seem to be desperate to make me defend Simco - I just said you
>>hadn't proven your case. I guess you're just too stupid to realize this,
>>even though I've said it repeatedly.
>
>
> I did not say you are defending Simco. I said you are a "BJJ
> apologist". Allow me to quote from your earlier message: El Queso:
> "...What is funny to me is that even if this Simco was totally full of
> shit (which he very well may be) he could undoubtedly wipe the floor
> with any Krav Maga guy you could throw at him. Krav Maga is not helped
> by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother? This seems like a
> desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
> actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
> find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...". I'll bet
> nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild claims and
> ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them. Fer
> Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to the
> filtrum bullshit as if it were real. At least Simco's claims of being
> in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
> street."
>
> Every sentence of this excerpt is either an attack on another art, or
> a defense of BJJ or Simco.
I could have just as easily put boxing or MMA in place of BJJ.
>
> Allow me to quote from my original post: Krav Maga: "Subject: BJJ
> author EXPOSED as a scammer and a fraud! Body: People 'in the know'
> have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as a scammer and a
> fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for yourself! See the
> following links for the evidence and discussion:
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th msg)
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjr http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjt You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!"
>
> Note that none of the statements and questions from the excerpt I
> quoted from your message address my only statement in my short post
> which is "People 'in the know' have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha"
> Simco, as a scammer and a fraud".
Note how in your original posts you said it was about Simco, then you
said it was about haughty BJJ'ers.
>
>
>>>>and trying to redirect it to a BJJ vs. Krav Maga
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>thing when I was only talking about Gene "Aranha" Simco, and not BJJ
>>>>>or Krav Maga at all!
>>>>
>>>>Define "at all".
>>>
>>>
>>>I'd be happy to. "At all" here means that in no way was I talking
>>>about BJJ as an art itself or in the manner in which it is practiced,
>>>nor about Krav Maga as an art or as it is practiced. "No way" here
>>>means that any implications you read into my remarks which are to the
>>>contrary of my stated aim of discrediting Simco only, are solely in
>>>your own mind.
>>
>>
>>So when you said that you like to take the air out of people who think
>>BJJ was the be all end all - that was against Simco? Silly.
>
>
> No. You are referring to another statement that I made in response to
> a question which did not relate to my thesis at all.
No, I'm pointing out how you change "what this is all about" as it
becomes convenient for you to do so.
Queso
El Queso
It is clear that the topic is whatever YOU want to talk about, and
anything else is labeled a misdirection.
Queso
Tomas Drgon
> People "in the know" have exposed BJJ author, Gene "Aranha" Simco, as
> a scammer and a fraud. Don't believe it? Judge the evidence for
> yourself!
>
> See the following links for the evidence and discussion:
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjq (the fraud starts to unravel with the 9th
> msg)
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjr
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjs
> http://tinyurl.com/sdjt
>
> You can protest by NOT BUYING HIS BOOKS!
Scammer and fraud may be too strong. Shameless self-promoter may be
more fitting.
That argument how he did not realize that 3-rd place in state
championship does not make him a "State champion" is laughable. Also
"calling the authorities" is not the best response to a sport BJJ
challenge, especially if he claims 200+ challenge matches.
Anyway, I own a copy of The Master Text(I) and can attest that it is a
good book. Better than most "martial arts" publications. And he's a
legit brownbelt, so I guess his BJJ is pretty good.
So go figure.
I guess the takehome message would be: there are shameless
selfpromoters also in BJJ, not only in Krav Maga.
Tomas
El Queso
Sure - you weere raped by an elf as a child because he thought you were
a pretty girl.
>
>
>> I don't question that Simco
>>
>>>is legitimately a BJJ brown since Michael Jen is his instructor, and
>>>Bolo is a straight shooter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>But, so? What does this have to do with the assertion that Aranha is a
>>>>>fraud?
>>>>
>>>>Did you read my post? The point I made is that even if this guy is a
>>>>liar, it says nothing about BJJ,
>>>
>>>
>>>No. You didn't read my post. I
>>>_DID_NOT_SAY_ANYTHING_ABOUT_BJJ_AS_AN_ART_. Read my original post
>>>again with a bit more comprehension.
>>
>>Eat your own asshole with pickle relish.
>
>
> Your comment is not logically related to my statement and shows that
> you don't have a leg to stand on here.
>
> But thanks. And you have a dick cookie on me!
I wouldn't want to keep you from having all of yours. Besides, you don't
have enough cookie to spare.
>
>
>>>>and if you're gonna talk about martial
>>>>arts frauds - there are tons of bigger ones to spend time on.
>>>
>>>
>>>That's my choice isn't it?
>>
>>Yes - your selective choice to only go after BJJ guys and say you aren't
>>going after BJJ. Liar.
>
>
> I "went after" one BJJ guy. I made a statement about my feeling about
> "some" other BJJ guys. I never made any statement regarding the art.
> You are being completely illogical.
Nope, just cutting through your intellectual dishonesty.
>
>
>>>>Come on
>>>>now, don't deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in your header.
>>>
>>>
>>>This is the part where your reading comprehension level comes in. I do
>>>deny implicitly putting BJJ EXPOSED in my header, because I put "BJJ
>>>author EXPOSED" in my header. And BJJ is only capitalized because BJJ
>>>is an acronym, not out of a secret insidious plot. Now what you read
>>>into it is your problem.
>>
>>I exposed an acronym? Tabloid presentation. Sensationalist and
>>overdramatic.
>
>
> No you are implying that "BJJ author EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ (author)
> EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ ... EXPOSED..." --> "BJJ EXPOSED". I deny that
> this is intentional.
And I say you are lying in this instance.
>
> I agree that it the entire headline is of a tabloid flavor and
> sensationalistic/dramatic. This was completely intentional with my
> capitalization of "EXPOSED".
Admission of intent to sensationalize.
However, note that I did not capitalize
> "scammer" and "fraud" in the 'headline'. And as I remarked, "BJJ" is
> only capitalized since it is an acronym. Otherwise it would have
> read: "bjj author EXPOSE as a scammer and a fraud!". And bjj is not
> the proper capitalization of the acronym as you should have learned in
> elementary school.
>
>
>>>>Don't
>>>>pretend you aren't trying to make this reflect badly upon BJJ.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are wrong. I am trying to make this reflect badly on some
>>>practitioners of BJJ. Such as possibly you (if you are a
>>>practitioners that is).
>>
>>How this would reflect badly on anyone but Simco is a mystery to me.
>>Fascinating world you live in where a guy who lies makes a guy who'd
>>never even heard of him look bad.
>
>
> My remark here was out of order and just a response to my perception
> of your statement, "Don't pretend you aren't trying to make this
> reflect badly upon BJJ". I did not mean to point the finger at you.
> I was only showing that some practitioners (ok, ok, "A" practitioner)
> is unethical.
I'm glad you see how dumb that was.
>
> I will admit freely that as I get evidence that other practitioners
> have behaved in an unethical manner, I will present it. Currently,
> UNRELATED TO MY THESIS,
LOL!!! Thesis... whotta riot.
the only other thing I can present is that
> Rickson has claimed a 400-0 record which is at least 399-1 if not
> worse. (This difference of one point may be petty, but it is
> significant if you think about it because it is some reflection on
> Rickson that for marketing reasons, he refuses to admit he was EVER
> defeated. I WILL SAY AGAIN: THIS COMMENT ABOUT RICKSON IS TOTALLY AN
> ASIDE. I DO NOT MEAN FOR IT TO BE INCORPORATED INTO MY THESIS.)
>
>
>>>>It
>>>>doesn't - there are frauds in every art - but in BJJ, it is very easy to
>>>>quickly find out who is teaching crap and who is teaching a workable
>>>>system.
>>>
>>>True, but irrelevant point since you were wrong about my aims.
>>
>>Actually - I just think you're lying. I simply don't believe you here.
>
>
> Irrelevant. You didn't preface your original comment with any
> statement that you were making this comment because you think I am
> lying. Therefore your comment itself was still unconnected to my
> original thesis.
You made a statement, I commented. You made another statement - I
thought you were lying. Simple.
>
>
>>>>Many, if not most, martial arts schools teach a pattycake style
>>>>of crap that it takes either a long time or a brief encounter to find
>>>>out thats it is bullshit.
>>>
>>>
>>>True, but again it's an irrelevant point.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Krav Maga is not helped
>>>>>>by this and BJJ is not hurt by this - so why bother?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Should exposing frauds be limited only to the cases where it hurts one
>>>>>side or helps another?
>>>>
>>>>Your imaginary sides battle in your head only. You pimp Krav Maga (or is
>>>>it modified KM now?), and Krav Maga is mostly chalkboard talk.
>>>
>>>
>>>My pimping of Krav Maga is only imaginary and in your head. In this
>>>posting, I never pimped Krav Maga. You read my name and "visions of
>>>sugar plums" danced in your head. You are shadow boxing El Queso.
>>
>>Your desperate jealousy of BJJ fighters is showing every time you dig so
>>hard and only find piddly shit like this.
>
>
> Not logically shown by my remarks.
Not to you, but to plenty of others.
>
>
>>>>You want
>>>>to badmouth BJJ but have difficulty doing so, so you find obscure lies
>>>>in an individual's bio.
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't want to badmouth BJJ. I want to badmouth certain practioners
>>>and find that I can't unless I have a concrete example.
>>
>>And what a doozy it was. You extrapolated cowardice, fraud and all
>>manner of ill from the FL state champ story.
>
>
> I said it is a fraud. I have defined fraud for you already
In word and in deed. Where is your written confession? I just saw an
admission that SOMEONE had made a mistake.
as if you
> could not do that yourself. II did not extrapolate cowardice from
> that. I extrapolated cowardice from his unwillingness to meet Justin
> Garcia, a new purple belt, on the mat and his claim that he would call
> the police if Justin showed up uninvited at his academy. I did not
> extrapolate "all manner of ills". This is an elaboration on your
> part.
Since I never saw the coorospondance that Simco refers to - I can't say
whether or not he was threatened with more than a match. Therefore, I
can't say that he is a coward for not wanting a person to show up to
fight. You want to present one side, and you want everyone else to
believe your characterization of the other side.
>
>
>>>>Are you saying Simco can't fight, or isn't fit
>>>>to teach BJJ?
>>>
>>>
>>>No. I am only saying he is a FRAUD.
>>
>>So tell it to him personally, tough guy.
>>
>>
>>>Personally, I believe he is a brown belt level BJJer. Probably can't
>>>fight (compared with other competition quality purple belt level
>>>BJJers).
>>
>>Easy to prove. Get to it.
>
>
> Sorry, I am not a competition quality purple belt level BJJer. That
> would have to be Justin Garcia or someone like that. And Simco is not
> presently accepting challenges (according to his message).
Nobody can tell if that message is omnidirected or just for one guy
without reading what it was a response to.
>
>
>>(But how can we know as he will call the police if anyone
>>
>>>comes challenging him now?)
>>
>>Do you have proof of this?
>
>
> Not if you don't accept a link to a webpage and you would rather see a
> signed and notarized statement.
>
>
>> And from the look of his books and the
>>
>>>performance of NYMAG's competition team in the local tournaments, he
>>>probably is a good teacher.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>That would be a claim worth investigating.
>>>
>>>
>>>It would be, but the first can't be tested. He did just participate
>>>in a tournament match recently which he lost 5-0, but I am also not
>>>saying that one fight would determine whether or not he can fight.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you're just
>>>>saying that he got a 3rd place trophy and called himself a state
>>>>champ... it's sleazy, and a bit disingenuous, but hardly Frank Dux.
>>>
>>>
>>>You forgot to say, HE'S A FRAUD.
>>
>>If one lie makes a man a fraud - then you too are a fraud. If you're
>>going to tell me you have never lied - I'll know it is pathalogical.
>
>
> When you make a lie in order to gain, then you are committing a fraud.
Like when you said you had a written confession, but all you had was an
admission that someone had made a mistake, without laying blame on
Simco? You mean THAT kind of fraud?
>
>
>>>>>>This seems like a
>>>>>>desperate attempt to badmouth BJJ in any way you can. Since you can't
>>>>>>actually BEAT any BJJ guys, and claim that BJJ won't work, you'll just
>>>>>>find some random kook and say "BJJ author EXPOSED...".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>BJJ works. I know it does. But for what? It works best for sports
>>>>>fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
>>>>>further and further from that environment.
>>>>
>>>>Firearms are better than Krav Maga at non grappling/trapping range. BJJ
>>>>is better than Krav Maga in grappling/trapping range.
>>>
>>>
>>>Again, the claims against Krav Maga. Note I am not responding because
>>>as I said earlier, I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF.
>>
>>Ah, just mixed with other arts - but you ARE DEFENDING IT!! You just
>>admitted it.
>
>
> No. I didn't say that either.
Yes. Clearly, you are. "I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF" is proof
of that. You could have just as easily said "I am defending Krav Maga
when combined with other arts."
I have not decided whether Krav Maga
> combined with other arts is worth defending yet.
"I AM NOT DEFENDING KRAV MAGA BY ITSELF" says otherwise. It's all in the
"BY ITSELF" part.
I said that I would
> not defend it standing alone. Be logical, please.
>
>
>>>>>>I'll bet nearly any Krav Maga book on the market is full of wild
>>>>>>claims and ridiculous hypothesis - but I don't see you "exposing" them.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure you are right. I don't feel like exposing them.
>>>>
>>>>Gee, why would that be? You're transparent. You didn't just happen by
>>>>this Simco thing - it is part of your ongoing effort to build a case
>>>>against an art that you see as competition.
>>>
>>>
>>>Nope. I don't feel like exposing them because my "imaginary" beef is
>>>with big-headed BJJers right now.
>>
>>So go fight them. Show them reality. It is hilarious how you jump back
>>and forth between "It's Simco!" and "It's the big-headed BJJers" as you
>>need to evade.
>
>
> You are wrong. I am talking about Simco, but you keep trying to
> redirect to other theses. When I answer these others, you try to tie
> it to my original thesis. This is what is silly. Is a person only
> supposed to hold a single idea and a single aim in his head at any
> given time?
You seem unable to deal with one thing at a time.
>
>
>>>>Once the list of factoids is
>>>>big enough, maybe you can have a "BJJ is fraudulent" page.
>>>
>>>
>>>Wrong again. But I might have a "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
>>
>>You mean a Krav Maga page?
>
>
> No. I said what I mean. A "BJJ isn't a street art" page.
Why don't you just prove it? Chalkboard talk is not enough.
>
>
>>>> It is
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>presently not my interest. When it is, I'll let the group know by
>>>>>exposing a Krav Maga practioner or author.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I imagine we'll be waiting quite a while for that.
>>>
>>>
>>>Probably.
>>
>>Undoubtedly.
>>
>>Because I am presently more interested in BJJ than Krav
>>
>>>Maga. Personally that is.
>>
>>I assuemed you meant personally when you used the word "I".
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>But I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have
>>>>>to do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>>>>
>>>>It was just an assertion with little evidence to support it. Again, I'm
>>>>just saying you make a weak case and if the lie is real - it may or may
>>>>not reflect on Simco's actual ability.
>>>
>>>
>>>I did not speak to his actual abilities or lack of them.
>>
>>Not until this post. Now you have.
>
>
> No. You confuse opinion with statements. I gave an opinion on his
> ability or lack of them.
You made A STATEMENT OF OPINION. All opinions are statements if someone
stated them, stupid. I don't take ANYTHING you say as an objective
statement of truth. You see, humans are not lucky enough to have access
to absolute truth - we must exist in the realm of the subjective where
one man's fraud is another man's mistake by bio creators.
>
>
>> I merely
>>
>>>said he is a FRAUD.
>>
>>And a coward - don't forget that.
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>>>Jesus, how many times will you
>>>>ask the same question in one post? This isn't a speech - it is a
>>>>conversation.
>>>
>>>
>>>And you should try to address the points and not my rhetorical style.
>>
>>The problem with your style is that it doesn't want an answer - it wants
>>to reiterate without hearing the answer to the question that is repeated.
>
>
> This is not logically tied to my statement.
Yes - you asked the same question repeatedly with no chance for anyone
to respond until they had read the thread. Meaning this: you reiterate
without hearing the answer to the question that is repeated.
>
>
>>>>>>Fer Christ's sake, some Krav Maga people still teach that palm-heel to
>>>>>>the filtrum bullshit as if it were real.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
>>>>>no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
>>>>>146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
>>>>>Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break.
>>>>
>>>>I don't have the book, so I couldn't say.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, I do have the book. And so I say.
>>
>>And that is as real as it is until I see the book, get it? Just like any
>>allegation you make.
>
>
> Have you travelled around the world? How do you know it is not flat?
I have. It is not flat unless my perception has been fooled into
thinking it is round. I don't KNOW the world isn't flat. I have a strong
belief that it is round based on personal experience and education.
Actually - the confession you refer to was presented dishonestly. You
said it was an admission of fraud by Simco. All that was said was that a
mistake was made. Hardly an admission of fraud, eh? I have a BOSS pedal
for my guitar that doesn't distort clean signal as much as you.
>
>>>But my comments about misdirection were not regarding your reaction to
>>>what I said in my original post. Misdirection refers to how you
>>>reacted to what I DID NOT SAY.
>>
>>I addressed what you DID say, so how is what followed misdirection?
>
>
> No. See my other post in answer to you where I excerpted what you
> said.
One more time. My original post contained 2 things.
1. You didn't provide proof of your allegations.
2. The fact that I think you are a BJJ antagonist with an agenda you
won't admit to.
You got all hung up on 2, and kept insisting how you really did give
proof - which I still don't have.
>
>
>>>>Again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I will repeat my earlier question. And, so? What does this have to
>>>>>do with the assertion that Aranha is a fraud?
>>>>
>>>>Do you not see how stupid it is to reiterate a question that has been
>>>>asked and answered repeatedly?
>>>
>>>
>>>No more than your three time reiteration of this question about my
>>>rhetorical style.
>>
>>Get it?
>
>
> Rhetoric is not substance. It is style. Discussions about rhetorics
> suggest a lack of willingness to talk about substance.
Discuss this - where is your proof of fraud by Simco? Where is your
proof that is was him that wrote the bio, and not others? How does your
"confession" tell us that this was more than a mistake?
>
>
>>>>>>At least Simco's claims of
>>>>>>being in 200 challenge matches aren't going to make anyone die on the
>>>>>>street.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>It won't if no one takes up JJ so that they can defend themselves on
>>>>>the street as badass Aranha...
>>>>>
>>>>>But for a final time, I will repeat my earlier question. AND, SO? WHAT
>>>>>DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THE ASSERTION THAT ARANHA IS A FRAUD?
>>>>
>>>>You shout because you're desperate. You repeat because you cannot
>>>>create. you'tre a nitpicky seeker, collecting factoids about your
>>>>competition.
>>>
>>>
>>>You have made this up whole cloth. You assume based on my screen name
>>>without knowing why I chose it. You have whipped up an entire
>>>imaginary enemy.
>>
>>No - I have seen 2 instances of you doing this now.
>
>
> Instances of me "doing" what?
Coming out with anti-BJJ'er factoids and dancing in glee as you report them.
My comment doesn't have me "doing" or
> "not doing" anything. In fact in my 3 sentences, the only action verb
> I use is "assume" with regard to you. Be more precise, please.
Your conversation is continually tring to prove a point. Trying is an
active, ongoing process that you persist in. THAT is what you're doing.
EVEN RIGHT NOW as you read this, you're thinking how to do more of it.
How can you take this factoid about Simco and take BJJ'ers down a peg
with it? It is an ongoing process with you.
>
>
>>>BJJ is not my competition. It is my avocation. BJJers are my
>>>"competition".
>>
>>No - you cannot compete with them, or you would.
>
>
> I can compete with them. I sometimes will win and sometimes will
> lose. Winning or losing doesn't effect the competion itself.
Lemme know when you win.
>
>
>>>>If you find a new discrediting factoid about BJJ - you post
>>>>it like a tabloid headline.
>>>
>>>
>>>Yes. If it relates to my real aim which is to show that BJJ is not
>>>"holier than thou".
>>
>>So again you admit that it isn't really about Simco, even though you
>>insisted it was. You are such a lying fraud.
>
>
> We are talking about another of my aims. It has nothing to do with my
> thesis about Simco. What would you like to do when you grow up El
> Queso?
Fuck a prettier woman than your mom for a change.
> Where would you like to be in 30 years?
Immortal, full of life-giving nanobots who continually refresh my cells.
Living in comfort and times of world prosperity.
Will your answers
> necessarily relate to your argument? And if they do happen to relate,
> would you expect that they relate directly or indirectly?
What will happen tomorrow? Well, lots of things. You will still not be
presenting facts that match the damning tone you post them with.
>
>
>>>>You dance in glee at the ability to expose a
>>>> BJJ fraud, but you're not currently interested in looking into Krav
>>>>Maga fraud or the fraud of other arts.
>>>
>>>
>>>Partly true. The part that is true is that I am not interested at the
>>>present in "exposing" Krav Maga frauds, although I know there are many
>>>there.
>>
>>But you need to protect us from the BJJ'ers, right?
>
>
> I don't need to protect you from anything. I am not a Ralph Nader. I
> assume you are a big boy now and can protect yourself. I will state
> what I state and make a suggestion (such as not buying Simco's books).
But you'll happily say Simco is a liar with only the admission that
SOMEONE (not necessarily Simco) made a mistake. Hardly a preponderance
of evidence.
>
>
>>>>You are one-sided against
>>>>something that is more-than-likely far superior to what you practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>Well. This is not mathematically possible since I practice BJJ, among
>>>other things. "A > A" is not a syllogism.
>>
>>That is only assuming that you practice the real thing in a real way
>>against real opponents in all the things you mix. In my experience - I
>>have seen lots of style-mixing chalkboard talkers that liked to talk
>>about lots of great stuff, and do very little of it.
>
>
> Nope. This only assumes that I practice BJJ in a real way against
> real opponents. I do not plan on using anything against BJJers on a
> mat.
>
>
>>>>Don't worry though, I know your art is far too deadly to use for real
>>>>against anyone but terrorists or criminals
>>>
>>>
>>>Well, as "Clark Kent", I'll try part of it at the Copa Atlantica and
>>>see if anyone dies. But *SPORT* BJJ rarely kills, so I expect that I
>>>won't be arrested after Saturday.
>>
>>How much has your art killed?
>
>
> I have no knowledge of BJJ killing anyone, in fact. I'd be interested
> in any cite to the contrary.
That was a misdirection. I asked you how many people YOUR art has
killed. Quit squirming and answer.
>
>
>>>>- so I won't expect you to
>>>>prove anything in martial arts or elsewhere.
>>>>Queso
>>>
>>>
>>>That's good. Because I am not in a position to prove anything to you.
>>
>>Even when you have the ability to do so.
>>
>>
>>>If I show who I am, I would likely get kicked out of my BJJ school for
>>>my beliefs.
>>
>>BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
>
>
> You doubt this? Many BJJers are completely close-minded.
Many trees are Oaks, too. Is your teacher?
If I make
> highly critical remarks like this about BJJ practitioner(s), then
> first I will find my fellow students rolling HARDER with me on the
> mat, and then I would find myself in unnecessary talks with my
> instructor(s). Why is this surprising?
It is surprising that you keep yourself in such an idiotic environment.
If you can't just say "Man, nmy striking is weak, I need to cross-train
in boxing or Mauy Thai" and have a teacher say "True." You are in a lame
school.
>
>
>> For you see, even in my immediate environment, all are
>>
>>>like you.
>>
>>They require more than just your statement to believe something?
>
>
> I have made a statement based on a presentation of evidence.
No, you made the statement and only provided your confession later. Said
confession turned out to be misrepresented. It was actually an admission
that a mistake had been made. You mischaracterized this - which makes
you a fraud and a liar. Never to be trusted again.
> Obviously you would like to believe that Malvo and Mohammed might be
> innocent, but I am content to believe (and state) otherwise.
This is about you saying Simco confessed when he didn't. Fraud.
>
>
>> *THIS* is why I am "Krav Maga".
>>
>>Dumbass - I'm not even a BJJ guy. You just assumed that since I didn't
>>take your word on Simco that I'm a BJJ'er - stupid.
>
>
> I did not say you were a "BJJ guy". I said that you are a "BJJ
> apologist". See the definition above.
You said it and said it with no proof one way or the other. I say you
distorted the idea of your "confession". Do you disagree?
Queso
mark goldberg
> mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<55bnb.16572$ox.17...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>
>>Your still howling at the wind.
>>You don' seem to get that.
>
>
> Snap out of it man. Medical doctors are trained to use inductive and
> deductive reasoning. How is the comment "Your still howling at the
> wind. You don' seem to get that." related to your question "So... it's
> not Simco??" and my answer "no."?
and they're trained to use their real names too :^),
so either complain about Simco, or start another thread about bjj
limitations, and quit using the disingenuous route of claiming your
sherlock holmes witht the deductive reasoningl
There's no problem- there are hungry wolves roaming about ready to
eat up the thread like mint jelly on the Thanksgiving Turkey
>>All you've done is attack one guy to say he's not what he says he is...
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>to imply that that's what bjj does.
>
>
> No. Logic, please. When you see a shadow on the CT, do you
> automatically assume it is a tumor? No. You probe, test and verify.
> Then how can you connect these two statements?
No offense, but... What makes you think you rate that much effort??
I'm telling you how you come off.
Your the one trying to convince others.
>
> I did not smear. I made a statement based on the evidence. (Note
> that even in my original post, I said "evidence" not "proof".) Such
> evidence gives me reason to believe and to say that he is a fraud
> because we are not operating in a court of law.
and you want me to believe you?? I'm the jury, and you've not convinced
me ... concilliere :^)
>
>
> Use your vast intellect and show me where I am attacking the art in
> the few post I have made. Please cite specific sentences and
> statements and not "general impressions".
You're confusing me with someone who cares about your conundrum... I don't.
I don't have to site a damm thing.
You want to make me a believer?
Then quit playing games with your deductive duck walk.. your quaking and
I'm not much into duck calls.
>
>
>>>>But the mallomar was delicious
Try the mallomars, or chocolate... they smooth out a rough day quite nicely.
Mark
mark goldberg
> Krav Maga is JEW-Jitsu!!!
you know... you looked and sounded better in the thread about
eating shit.
So... go ahead
eat shit
Shithead
Mark
El Queso
> mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<55bnb.16572$ox.17...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
>
>>red power ranger wrote:
>>
>>who was formerly kravmaga,
>>
>>
>>
>>>mark goldberg <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<Mg_mb.1348$Cd6.2...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>...
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>>
>>
>>>>So... it's not Simco??
>>>
>>>
>>>no.
>>
>>
>>Your still howling at the wind.
>>You don' seem to get that.
>
>
> Snap out of it man. Medical doctors are trained to use inductive and
> deductive reasoning.
So you're a Dr.?
How is the comment "Your still howling at the
> wind. You don' seem to get that." related to your question "So... it's
> not Simco??" and my answer "no."?
>
>
>>>>So... if it's not your point, and it's bjj you want to address... then ????
>>>
>>>
>>>It's not BJJ that I want to address. It's *some* BJJ practitioners
>>>that I want to address. I want to expose the "holier than thou"
>>>attitude that many BJJers have regarding this art. And I may rip a
>>>few holes to do it.
>>
>>ok... but why not just come out and say that, make a point about some
>>practitioners- and assert.
>
>
> Because this was not my thesis. My thesis was only "People 'in the
> know' have exposed BJJ author, Gene 'Aranha' Simco, as a scammer and a
> fraud."
>
> I may have other opinions, and even reasons I have chosen to be miffed
> at Simco's fraud which are unrelated to my thesis.
The agenda.
However, I never
> presented these as related to the thesis in any way.
The hidden agenda.
I tried to make
> it clear that they represent my feelings.
>
>
>>All you've done is attack one guy to say he's not what he says he is...
>
>
> Yes.
>
>
>>to imply that that's what bjj does.
>
>
> No. Logic, please. When you see a shadow on the CT, do you
> automatically assume it is a tumor?
Not being a Dr, I'll bet he doesn't assume anything outside the scope of
his experience in regard to health.
No. You probe, test and verify.
> Then how can you connect these two statements?
Have you tested your assertion that Simco confessed to fraud? I have,
you failed. All you can say is that there were untrue statements made on
a bio, which may or may not have been written by Simco.
>
>
>>Now that's NOT attacking SOME practitioners- it's attacking the art by
>>saying if one guy is not totally honest, ergo the art is not honest,
>>rather than simply asserting what is it that is not accurate.
>
>
> This on the other hand is logical. However, you spoiled it by
> breaking the connective thread before. Attacking an art by attacking
> practitioners is dishonest and inaccurate. A pity that is not what I
> did.
A pity you won't admit your agenda from the start.
>
>
>>Your being a smear artist, rather than making for a thread that sifts
>>and winnows.
>
>
> I did not smear.
Yes you did. You took allegations and presented them as fact.
I made a statement based on the evidence. (Note
> that even in my original post, I said "evidence" not "proof".) Such
> evidence gives me reason to believe and to say that he is a fraud
> because we are not operating in a court of law.
>
> Your statement would imply that if I called Lee Boyd Malvo and John
> Mohammed murderers at this point based on my personal assessment of
> the evidence, and I would to make this clear on a forum such as this
> one, it would be acting as a "smear artist" because the cases haven't
> been proved. Well you would be entitled to this opinion, but I think
> it is misplaced.
>
>
>>You attack the man... claiming it's not the man, it's other men, not the
>>art,
>
>
> Where did I say I wasn't attacking the man? That I hold negative
> feeling towards certain "other men" in not in my thesis.
>
>
>>BUT
>>It's really the art.
>
>
> Use your vast intellect and show me where I am attacking the art in
> the few post I have made. Please cite specific sentences and
> statements and not "general impressions".
>
>
>>You just aren't honest enough to talk plainly.
BINGO!
Queso
Chas
> > Krav Maga is JEW-Jitsu!!!
> Shithead
Aw c'mon. Jews *invented* ethnic jumor, guy.
'Jewjitsu'; somebody's going to correct you to jewjUtsu as proper
Nihongobble.
It's hilarious.
Chas
GreenDistantStar
"red power ranger" <redpowe...@japan.com> wrote in message
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> And if Jesus was proved to be honest,
Are you sure you mean 'honest' or do you mean 'everything he said was
literally true' ?
Either way, there's no way to verify it so it's an argumentative nullity.
>would it change your perceptions of the Bible?
Uh? You've really got a woeful analogy here, and I can't be bothered
explaining to you why it's not worthy of further response.
GDS
mark goldberg
>
>
> Aw c'mon. Jews *invented* ethnic jumor, guy.
>
>
> Chas
>
>
Jewish description of philosophy:
The old master philosopher is on his deathbed, his disciples all around,
out the room, into the hallway....
His main disciple leans over and asks,
"What's the meaning of Life, master"...
Master philosopher says, with his weakening croaks...
" Life is... a river..."
"Life is a river, says the disciple to the guy behind him...
and so on, back thru the rows, back to the back of the room, out the door.
the last guy in the hallway has the gumption to ask
"What does he mean... Life is a river?"
Up the rows it comes.
"What does the master mean, Life is a river?!"
until it gets up to the last one, the main disciple, who looks down at
his master,
and says, to the master philosopher, who's now almost out the proverbial
door,
90% gone... but he gets close to the old man's ear and says loudly,
"Master... what do you mean, Life is a river??"
Says the old master, dying....
"alright.... so it's not a river........
Mark
Grappler240
real fighting.
>It works best for sports
>fighting with a certain set of rules. And less well as we move
>further and further from that environment.
bullshit. BJJ guys have been winning fights for decades under any set of rules
or lack thereof. Krav Maga guys with they had our history....but, alas....krav
is just bullshit and bjj isn't.
-grap
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BillMahoney68
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>> >
>> >From: krav...@japan.com (Krav M
>>
>> >
>> >True. But why would I try to say anything about such a great art as
>> >BJJ? I love BJJ (on the mat with a certain set of rules). Except that
>> >it is not the BE ALL AND END ALL STREET ART!
>>
>> WHO EVER SAID IT WAS?
>> Who are you preaching to?
>> Gi
>
>When I am saying that BJJ is not the be all and end all street art, am
WE KNOW!!!
WE AGREE!!!!!!!!!
>I really preaching to the choir here?
exactly.
>? I think not.
Then who are you preaching to?
Gi
Badger North
<msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> Aw c'mon. Jews *invented* ethnic jumor, guy.
And they still do it the best.
>"alright.... so it's not a river........
Moshe hears that his best friend, on his death bed, has converted to
Christianity.
He races down there, bursts into the room and asks if this is true.
"Yes, it's all true. I am now a Christian.
"But why?"
"Better that one of *them* should die."
Badger Jones
http://members.rogers.com/badger
www.geocities.com/marxistdetective/taunting.htm
Jacob Andersen
How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
/Jacob
Jacob Andersen
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> On Mon, 27 Oct 2003 23:49:09 GMT, mark goldberg
> <msgol...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >> Aw c'mon. Jews *invented* ethnic jumor, guy.
>
> And they still do it the best.
>
> >"alright.... so it's not a river........
>
> Moshe hears that his best friend, on his death bed, has converted to
> Christianity.
>
> He races down there, bursts into the room and asks if this is true.
>
> "Yes, it's all true. I am now a Christian.
>
> "But why?"
>
> "Better that one of *them* should die."
ROFL, Oh my God, that is funny.
/Jacob
Philippe
"Jacob Andersen" <d...@glem.det> wrote in message
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bar exam....
.....'one less lawyer.....'
mark goldberg
Tweren't a jewish joke, cept' to you... but his wanting to eat shit...
now that's comedy...
Mark
Badger North
wrote:
>How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
Depends on what you're referring to as a jew joke - one of the jokes
told by the jews as self-deprecation, or those told by non-jews as
bigotry with a punchline?
Robert Low
Jacob Andersen <d...@glem.det> wrote:
>How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
You're kidding, right? (Excluding the ones
where 'kike' or 'Jew-boy' are part of the
natural language of the narrator, anyway.)
--
Rob. http://www.mis.coventry.ac.uk/~mtx014/
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"Badger North" <young_...@hotmailREEEMOVE.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:39:07 +0100, "Jacob Andersen" <d...@glem.det>
> wrote:
>
> >How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
>
> Depends on what you're referring to as a jew joke - one of the jokes
> told by the jews as self-deprecation, or those told by non-jews as
> bigotry with a punchline?
>
I've run into a few Jewish jokes that were hilarious. Funny thing about them
though is the fact that I heard them from my Jewish friends. No bigotry in
any of them, just some funny situations & stuff like that.
...........................Tom.....................
mark goldberg
> Jacob Andersen <d...@glem.det> wrote:
>
>>How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
>
>
> You're kidding, right? (Excluding the ones
> where 'kike' or 'Jew-boy' are part of the
> natural language of the narrator, anyway.)
No... he's not kidding.
He's just dreaming of a certain people as punching bags for his reality
distortion... the good ole' daze.
He's nostalgic.
mark
BillMahoney68
>rav Maga is JEW-Jitsu!!!
>>
>> you know... you looked and sounded better in the thread about
>> eating shit.
>>
>> So... go ahead
>>
>> eat shit
>>
>> Shithead
>>
>> Mark
>
>How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
>
I blame that holocaust thing that they can't seem to get over.
Gi
Jacob Andersen
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It seems likely. I thought Jew-jutsu was pretty funny. I especially liked
the emphasis on JEW, which made it seem more like an insult. Let's face it,
insults are where it's at these days.
/Jacob
mark goldberg
> It seems likely. I thought Jew-jutsu was pretty funny. I especially liked
> the emphasis on JEW, which made it seem more like an insult. Let's face it,
> insults are where it's at these days.
>
> /Jacob
Naw... you being brave behind a computer screen, now that's funny.
In person... you'd be a real gentleman.
and that would be funnier.
mark
mark goldberg
>>m: "Jacob Andersen"
>>How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
>>
>
>
> I blame that holocaust thing that they can't seem to get over.
> Gi
Truth be told... I want to be worthy of those people- not even just my
people- who although butchered, slaughtered, abused, would never dream
of flying a plane into a building full of people.
I like to honor people.
I'm funny that way.
Mark
Badger North
wrote:
>> >How come jews never appreciate the jew jokes?
>>
>> Depends on what you're referring to as a jew joke - one of the jokes
>> told by the jews as self-deprecation, or those told by non-jews as
>> bigotry with a punchline?
>
>I've run into a few Jewish jokes that were hilarious. Funny thing about them
>though is the fact that I heard them from my Jewish friends. No bigotry in
>any of them, just some funny situations & stuff like that.
Sure, the "better one of *them* should die" one I listed earlier is an
example of the former. There's several I've heard that I sat there
wondering why it was funny until someone translated the Yiddish
punchline.
marvin
>
>Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
>no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
>146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
>Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break. Try
>that and get your brains blown out by anyone who remotely understands
>how to handle a firearm.
yeah right... Rorion claims to be #1 self-defense expert IN THE WORLD
(!?!) but what he shows is nothing new nor impressive. BJJ world is
full of stupid egocentric immature big mouths
BillMahoney68
>
>>Yup. That is real crap isn't it? Krav Maga definitely has some crap -
>>no doubt about it. But BJJ isn't? How about Position 064 on pages
>>146-147 of "Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Self-Defense" by Royce and Charles
>>Gracie with Kid Peligro - 'Gun from Behind'? Give me a break. Try
>>that and get your brains blown out by anyone who remotely understands
>>how to handle a firearm.
>
>yeah right... Rorion claims to be #1 self-defense expert IN THE WORLD
>(!?!) but what he shows is nothing new nor impressive. BJJ world is
>full of stupid egocentric immature big mouths
So WHATTA YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
Gi
marvin
wrote:
>So WHATTA YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
>Gi
wrong question. Right question is: what are YOU gonna do about it?
S. Lockhart
I'm gonna take a shit in a pumpkin...
www.sssfighting.com
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BillMahoney68
>billma...@aol.com (BillMahoney68)
>wrote:
>
>
>>So WHATTA YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?
>>Gi
>
>wrong question. Right question is: what are YOU gonna do about it?
I'm gonna snap your ass in a bear trap.
Hows that?
Gi
marvin
wrote:
>> marvin hol...@eu.org
>
>>billma...@aol.com (BillMahoney68)
>>wrote:
>
>I'm gonna snap your ass in a bear trap.
>Hows that?
>Gi
If your fists weight like your brain, there's nothing to fear
BillMahoney68
>
>>> marvin hol...@eu.org
>>
>>>billma...@aol.com (BillMahoney68)
>>>wrote:
>
>>
>>I'm gonna snap your ass in a bear trap.
>>Hows that?
>>Gi
>
>If your fists weight like your brain, there's nothing to fear
Well put.
Gi