Shorin-Ryu vs Shotokan
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and which of the two is better if they matched each other.
Seeking infinite knowledge
RICK
Corey Joseph Schumacher
The one with the better teacher.
I don't think there's ever a short answer to a question of which
of two styles is better. Better for what?
>
Corey
Todd I. Stark
I thought that Shorin was one of the components that originally went
into Funakoshi's art; Shorin kata and Shorei kata; and that Shorin-Ryu
was therefore a sister art technically greatly overlapping with
Shotokan.
If this is true, then the answer as far as a match is concerned would
in theory be that the Shotokan fighter who could make the Shorei component
work would have the advantage, or the Shorin fighter who could take advantage
of weaknesses in the Shorei component in the Shotokan fighter. My dim
recollection is that the Shorin component consists of light, quick movements
with rapid stance changes, and the Shorei of the slower, heavier power
movements and stances. So it would be the 'dancer/slugger' vs. the 'dancer,'
and the victor in such a contest depends on whether the 'dancer'
can be drawn into a slugging contest, or whether they can out-maneuver
the dancer-slugger.
Sorry if this makes no sense, it's based on what little understanding I had
of these styles a number of years ago.
kind regards,
todd
ach...@hydra.rose-hulman.edu
>Which is better Shorin-ryu or Shotokan?
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>and which of the two is better if they matched each other.
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well, let's see.
shotokan has powerful punches to the face, throat, ribs and groin,
so has shorin-ryu. shotokan has spear hand strikes to
the eyes, so has shorin ryu; shotokan has elbow strikes to the spine, so has
shorin ryu; shotokan has knee attacks to the head and body, so has shorin-ryu;
shotokan has shuto strikes to the throat and neck, so has shorin ryu; shotokan
has front kicks to the groin, throat and face, so has shorn ryu; shotokan has
roundhouse kicks to the temple and kidney, so has shorin ryu; shotokan has
kicks to the knee and thigh, so has shorin ryu; shotokan has foot sweeps,
throws and joint locks, so has shorin ryu.
now, what was the question?
-mukund
Dave N. Afsar
workout and partners you are looking for( such as sparing, kata, basic,
spirit, attitude, and more).
If you have a good teacher and you are working hard at it then you can be good
at any martial art style (Shorin-Ryu, Shotokan, Wado-Ryu, Take won do....).
Good luck in selecting the style.
Dave.
Stephen Chan
> Which is better Shorin-ryu or Shotokan?
Hey, you're new around here, aren't you?
I hearby award you a white belt in net jutsu.
Watch the seniors, pay good attention, and in about three
months, you will qualify for your lemon belt test.
> and which of the two is better if they matched each other.
They really reflect the character of the societies which
generated them. Shotokan is much bolder, and physically manifests
lots of spirit. Shorin-Ryu is more conservative and practically
oriented. Shotokan is low and powerful, Shorin-Ryu is light and fast.
Those are pretty generic characterizations. Hopefully not too
flameworthy.
> Seeking infinite knowledge
Where ya gonna put it all?
> RICK
Stephen Y. Chan
ste...@cmu.edu
theh...@gmail.com
> Which is better Shorin-ryu or Shotokan?and which of the two is better if they matched each other.Seeking infinite knowledgeRICK
Wow a long time since a post. actually all above are correct. Good vs bad teacher, power vs finesse. But relative to speed that is in the quality of the fighter. I have/had practiced Shotokan for 10 years and just started Shorin Ryu. Biggest adjustment has been length of stance (with Shotokan) and philosophy of Sensei. My Shotokan Sensei is 8th Don with emphasis on competition. My Shorin Ryu Sensei is 8th Don with emphasis on traditional practice. Definitly a cultural difference there as well. Personally I see some weakness with cat stance predominant in Shorin Ryu. Yes you are 70% weight on back foot but where is offensive advantage? With shotokan 50/50 weight distribution for quick front and back movement. This will matter most IMO when doing Kumite. In Shotokan I can advance and withdraw with equal speed and not so much with Shorin Ryu. One may argue a definsive disadvantage for Shotkan. That said the ability of fighter will be deciding factor. But if equal I would give edge to Shotkan fighter. Also the fact we sparred every day in Shotokan and only practice Bunkai with Shorin Ryu (and no sparring in 3 months) does not prepare one for more real life situations when one does not know what you will face. I have also noticed that traditional teachers Shotokan or Shorin Ryu view competition as sport (i.e inferior)karate. My experience is more rigorous practical training in "sport" karate (and my Shotokan Sensei stressed pure karet technique as well the competition element). So you need to choose style and Sensei philosophy that bests suits your goals
TimR
Definitely more chicks in Shorin-ryu classes.
As far as combat utility, it doesn't matter. Just don't get in fights.
Mighty Wannabe
Dellys (a.k.a. GDS GreenDistantStar), you don't have to learn anything
except 6 months of BJJ; all you need to do is "take 'em to the ground"
and hump their leg.
David O'Daniel
other interpretations than the blok-head methods of all is striks or
"blocks" or kicks. Not nearly as bad as TKD, esp WTF but get rank
quickly, esoteric/entertainment appearance of kata over fighting
effectiveness too. Plus, Funakoshi's watering down by indeed taking out
the cat-stances till he got found out doing them in upper rank kata, and
of course taing out weapons, though in his book considered to use an
unbrella rather than pure enpty hands IF he really needed to fight. It
was watered down, or so I've heard, out of NOT wanting to give the
"true" art of "Okinawan" karate tot he invding, occupying, hated
Japanese mainlanders.
Shorinyu: still a bit watered down in modern times & some bunkai lost so
move meaning lost. If you spend fenatically intense time training the
applications to be come 2nd nature and with effective power, not just
for kata "show", it may take 3 yrs for every sports month of just
casually learning stuff, to truly learn AND know it to be effective. Not
the quick fix the average short-interest-span people have the dedication
to go through. Not just 1 on 1 but 1 crippling or finishing 1 & mong on
to another or 1 continually injuring the other 1, no call for points,
just trying to stop a non-paused fight. Also, with potential multiple
attackers, you can be awre of strategies to keep some opponents behind
others & thus reduce the number of threats for that moment, as well as
using opponents as shields AND even weapons, to throw, move or otherwie
make use of them to interfear with other attackers. You can't use
crippling techniques in sport matches but not even fully done in
practice matches but just train to simulate what is needed.
Well, unless you have access to prisoners you can use for such
practices, killing & crippling mercelously for the sake of your oen
practice or cutting a line of them to see how far your sword can slice &
how many it can test-cut kill in 1 stroke. Assume you can't do that, you
are left with doing "other" training to train the non-sport
applications.
Then too, if you are fighting for your life & need to do such brutal
methods vs fending off some teen trouble-makers who just need to be
fended off but who would result in natuional news persecution & prison
if you seriously hurt of killed one of those little angels...
Bo
Rabid Weasel Lawson
aprapos.
Peace favor your sword (IH),
Kirk