Street Safe-Vunak
Chet Fischer
ultimate street fighting video. These techniques are guaranteed to work
"100%" of the time. Just after one viewing "you will increase your
natural fighting ability by 200% instantly." This might seem a little
far fetched, but the guy who objectively reviews MA videos (whose name
escapes me at the moment) said this is the video to get. My question is
directed at the martial artist who have seen the tape. What are the EIGHT
deadly moves that he demonstrates? Is there anything new here?
Why is this the "tape to get?"
Anon
What happens if both guys in a fight have watched the tape?
They cant both be 100% effective.
guess
They explode!
Doug.
Anon
Its definately one to learn.
If you watched the video twice would you become 400% more effective?
Roland Lee
: A number of catalogues are listing Paul Vunak's Street Safe as the
: ultimate street fighting video. These techniques are guaranteed to work
: "100%" of the time. Just after one viewing "you will increase your
: natural fighting ability by 200% instantly." This might seem a little
: far fetched, but the guy who objectively reviews MA videos (whose name
: escapes me at the moment) said this is the video to get. My question is
: directed at the martial artist who have seen the tape. What are the EIGHT
: deadly moves that he demonstrates? Is there anything new here?
: Why is this the "tape to get?"
The eight techniques are: the finger jab, the scoop kick (kick to the groin
using a scooping motion), the ear slap, the oblique kick (the funny looking
soccer type kick to the knees/shins used in a bunch of martial arts), the
knee, the elbow, the headbutt and the BITE (chomp him real good).
Nothing new here, at least for people studying a combative art. What makes
this tape so good is that since it's geared towards the non-martial artist
who doesn't have a lot of time to cultivate and maintain techniques, it just
emphasizes these eight techniques. In other words, it sticks to the KISS
maxim, keep it simple stupid. It also emphasizes the stun and run approach
because for the average person who just wants to defend her/him-self, there's
no need to stomp the other guy into the dirt...just distract him and runaway.
Also, all the techniques are fairly simple and direct so that's a plus.
Possibly the most realistic self-defense tape out there (in terms of work-
ability).
--
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Roland S. Lee
Materials Science and Engineering
University of Pennsylvania
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atla...@my-dejanews.com
Yeah...it's good SELF-DEFENSE. I own it. It's very helpful. It the old
Bruce Lee maxim, "I can teach you a hundred techniques and make you good...or
I can teach you 5 and make you great."
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Kevin Hill
>the oblique kick (the funny looking
>soccer type kick to the knees/shins used in a bunch of martial arts
'zat what you guys call it? For any who were
previously confused, we call this one a 'deepwater
kick'.
Thanks!
:o)
kevin
Adam Sroka
Kevin Hill wrote:
In Jun Fan we use the term "oblique kick". Some people also use the term "dum
tek" which is not quite correct. Dum Tek has a slightly different energy; it's
more of a stomp. In Hap Ki Do we called this "An Da Ri Cha Nut Ki". I am sure
that if we polled the NG we could get 100 other names.
In response to the original poster all of the eight techniques are mainstays of
Jun Fan, FMA, and many styles of Silat. What Guro Paul is giving you is nothing
new, it is in essence Jun Fan condensed minus a lot of the art and sport
aspects*. Look at what he is calling his eight "deadly techniques": Biu jee, jik
tek, jao sao, headbutts, elbows, and knees, and biting. All things that a
student would learn in his first month at a JKD school (okay, so we don't
actually teach biting--there are certain legal issues ;-) ). What is unique is
the organization. Guro Paul is great at putting material in an easy to
understand format that appears within the reach of everyone. That is what is so
attractive about his approach. He is the one who first got me interested in Jun
Fan as I am sure he is for many of us.
---Adam.
mailto:asr...@erols.com
* Master John LaCoste, one of the great FMA masters of this century, says that
martial arts can be broken into three things: The art--which is about the
spiritual and cultural elements; the sport--which is about the game of fighting;
and warfare--which is what we like to call "streetfighting" nowadays.
Anonymous
> They explode!
>
> Doug.
NOTE: This tecnique is very dangerous and should only be used in case of
extreme danger. Be advised that, according to Einstien, E=mc2, so if even a
fraction of 2 grown men's body weight were converted to energy, the potential
for destruction would be enough to concievably level a radius on the order of 2
city blocks.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
Anonymous
> I have Street Safe by Vunak.
With a glowing testimonial like that, I can't wait to get my copy.
GarthIzar
you did not have a lot of martial arts experience.
They did imply that a person with a fair amount of training in the filipino
arts would not be
overly impressed with this video. I have seen the video and it is filipino
martial arts all the
way. Which is great stuff by the way. But if
you know arnis, then you already know the
material on the video. I do not remember what
the 8 secret moves were.
Richard Lancashire
>
> Roland Lee wrote:
>
> >the oblique kick (the funny looking
> >soccer type kick to the knees/shins used in a bunch of martial arts
>
> 'zat what you guys call it? For any who were
> previously confused, we call this one a 'deepwater
> kick'.
What is it: a toe punt, a low kick with the instep or a push kick with
the insole?
:oP
Rich
Adam Sroka
Richard Lancashire wrote:
As someone who's trained with Guro Vunak, and elsewhere in the styles which he
is promoting, I think I can address this. The oblique kick is a scooping motion
with the arch of the foot. It is a short range kick performed by rotating the
rear hip outwards and lowering the pelvis slightly while turning the rear foot
and lifting it only a few inches off the ground. The target is generally the
shin, although it can be delivered anywhere from the ankle to the knee. At or
above the knee a stomp would be used instead. The oblique kick generally strikes
with either the arch of the foot or the heel. In most arts in which this
technique is used (Jun Fan, Kali, and Savate) shoes are worn. Therefore, the
weapon is the sole of the shoe.
---Adam.
mailto:asr...@erols.com
Anthony Seepish
For those with more experience I would reccomend Vu's JKD Streetfighting
tapes (from PFS). What I find informative is not necessarily so much the
techniques presented (I am fortunate to train at a PFS club where the
instructors are certified by guro Paul- 90% of what I've seen on the tapes
has been covered to a point in class), but rather the training methods -
the drills and the progressions covered.
Until we meet again and the case is solv-ed,
Tony
Anthony Seepish
On Fri, 14 Aug 1998, Richard Lancashire wrote:
> Kevin Hill wrote:
> >
> > Roland Lee wrote:
> >
> > >the oblique kick (the funny looking
> > >soccer type kick to the knees/shins used in a bunch of martial arts
> >
> > 'zat what you guys call it? For any who were
> > previously confused, we call this one a 'deepwater
> > kick'.
>
> What is it: a toe punt, a low kick with the instep or a push kick with
> the insole?
>
The oblique kick is a rear leg kick that starts out like a low front kick
but as it approaches the target (shin or kneecap) the foot turns out to
strike with the inside blade of the shoe. The kick snaps back. You could
make contact with the sole if you were wearing some nasty golf shoes or
something along those lines.
We usually lean back as we deliver this kick in order to keep our heads
out of punching range - this is a short range kick.
A variation of the kick is to use it more as a stomp, striking the knee
with the sole.
T.
DBS
himself a master. Dan never bestowed that honor on him. He has sold out to
make money. That is why you hear so little of this guy any longer...don't
buy this phoneys tapes...he was a student in JKD and is more arrogant than
talented....
Anon wrote in message <35D16D...@mailexcite.com>...
>Chet Fischer wrote:
>>
>> A number of catalogues are listing Paul Vunak's Street Safe as the
>> ultimate street fighting video. These techniques are guaranteed to work
>> "100%" of the time. Just after one viewing "you will increase your
>> natural fighting ability by 200% instantly." This might seem a little
>> far fetched, but the guy who objectively reviews MA videos (whose name
>> escapes me at the moment) said this is the video to get. My question is
>> directed at the martial artist who have seen the tape. What are the
EIGHT
>> deadly moves that he demonstrates? Is there anything new here?
>> Why is this the "tape to get?"
>
Todd D. Ellner
>Paul Vunak was kicked out of the JKD organization for self perclaming
>himself a master. Dan never bestowed that honor on him. He has sold out to
>make money. That is why you hear so little of this guy any longer...don't
>buy this phoneys tapes...he was a student in JKD and is more arrogant than
>talented....
JKD family politics. I went to a couple of Vunak's seminars. They were
very professionally run, and I learned a lot. He seemed genuinely interested
in making sure that the attendees learned what he was trying to teach
them.
I've heard that he has pretty strong self-destructive streak and a
tendency to burn his bridges while he's standing on them. If this is an
example of that it is a pity.
Todd
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Chas
> I've heard that he has pretty strong self-destructive streak and a
> tendency to burn his bridges while he's standing on them. If this is an
> example of that it is a pity.
I think that is a perfectly acceptable character trait in a martial
artist. There is a class of practitioner that does it for reasons that
no-one, who isn't just like him, will understand- especially as it
expresses itself in the 'real' world. Most of the successful martial
arts 'teachers' that I have seen have been businessmen or spiritual
leaders first and fighters second.
Vunak is definitly a pugger- he teaches well and certainly has an edge
to him- cool.
Like I say; it ain't about *health*- it's about _ill-health_
Chas
atla...@my-dejanews.com
tel...@cs.pdx.edu (Todd D. Ellner) wrote:
> In article <vuME1.277$yE.4...@newsread.com>, DBS <or...@suite224.net> wrote:
> >Paul Vunak was kicked out of the JKD organization for self perclaming
> >himself a master. Dan never bestowed that honor on him. He has sold out to
> >make money. That is why you hear so little of this guy any longer...don't
> >buy this phoneys tapes...he was a student in JKD and is more arrogant than
> >talented....
> Wouldn't know about this. It's been years since I was interested in the
> JKD family politics. I went to a couple of Vunak's seminars. They were
> very professionally run, and I learned a lot. He seemed genuinely interested
> in making sure that the attendees learned what he was trying to teach
> them.
>
> tendency to burn his bridges while he's standing on them. If this is an
> example of that it is a pity.
>
good tapping skills though. That guy has some fast hands.
atla...@my-dejanews.com
tel...@cs.pdx.edu (Todd D. Ellner) wrote:
> In article <vuME1.277$yE.4...@newsread.com>, DBS <or...@suite224.net> wrote:
> >Paul Vunak was kicked out of the JKD organization for self perclaming
> >himself a master. Dan never bestowed that honor on him. He has sold out to
> >make money. That is why you hear so little of this guy any longer...don't
> >buy this phoneys tapes...he was a student in JKD and is more arrogant than
> >talented....
> Wouldn't know about this. It's been years since I was interested in the
> JKD family politics. I went to a couple of Vunak's seminars. They were
> very professionally run, and I learned a lot. He seemed genuinely interested
> in making sure that the attendees learned what he was trying to teach
> them.
>
> I've heard that he has pretty strong self-destructive streak and a
> tendency to burn his bridges while he's standing on them. If this is an
> example of that it is a pity.
>
I guess it's a shame that Vunak acts that way. Man, does that guy have some
Stephen Hyde
>Chet Fischer wrote:
>>
>> A number of catalogues are listing Paul Vunak's Street Safe as the
>> ultimate street fighting video. These techniques are guaranteed to work
>> "100%" of the time. Just after one viewing "you will increase your
>> natural fighting ability by 200% instantly." This might seem a little
>> far fetched, but the guy who objectively reviews MA videos (whose name
>> escapes me at the moment) said this is the video to get. My question is
>> directed at the martial artist who have seen the tape. What are the EIGHT
>> deadly moves that he demonstrates? Is there anything new here?
>> Why is this the "tape to get?"
>What happens if both guys in a fight have watched the tape?
>They cant both be 100% effective.
street safe is basically an intro to jkd or more specifcaly
Progressive fighting systems. as far as 100 percent effective, don't
believe every thing you read.
Don Wagner
>>Chet Fischer wrote (I think ):
>>> What are the EIGHT
>>> deadly moves that he demonstrates? Is there anything new here?
The "8 tools" that are used on the tape (I've never heard of them
referred to as such killer chiller techniques, btw! ;-)) are:
1. ear slap with a cupped hand
2. eye strike
3. various elbow strikes
4. head butts
5. knee strikes
6. groin slaps
7. groin kicks
8. scoop kicks
As to "New" it would depend upon what you've been exposed to in the
past. WC et. al. people are going to see a lot that they already do.
Savate people will understand a lot of the kicks. Thai/Kick boxers
will feel right at home with the elbows and knees.
The entries and footwork are very good intros in the system. I still
use them as warmups and drills.
--Don--
The beatings will continue until morale improves.