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"Karate Connection" SCAM

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Pseudoscience Patrol

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Dec 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/27/97
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Karate connection is indeed a scam. First, the premise of video testing. And Kenpo
at that, big surprise! Second, the tapes were produced using vintage 70s video
equipement, in an insectarium. How so? The picture quality is terrible, even by
Indian standards, and the room where this garbage is filmed is crawling with bugs,
that often fly across the camera.

Pseudoscience Patrol


Gizbab wrote:

> There is one group of guys called the "Karate Connection" that "trains" you by
> VHS tape from zip to an upper belt. What they teach is Kempo karate. The way
> you pass the exams with them is you tape yourself doing some of the katas, and
> other things. I've seen one tape of theirs (from your public library, of all
> places!) and it looked bad.


Rich Mason

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Dec 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/28/97
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It's sad to see these sort of shenanigans going on. It makes the rest of us involved
in supplemental, and distance, learning tools look bad as well.

Nothing can replace the real life, one to one, training you will receive in your
Dojo/Dojang. Nothing.

There are, however, many other ways to further your dojo/dojang learning, and some do
involve acceptable forms of distance learning. But, if anyone offers you a belt
promotion, or some other such nonsense, hide your wallet and run away as fast as you
can.

While I'm very proud of our CD-ROM, "Tae Geuk: The Forms of Taekwondo", it is designed
to supplement, key word being supplement, training in WTF style Taekwondo. We are
beginning to move some of the material to our internet site to let people get a look
at what is possible in distance learning at this time, in terms of learning forms,
basic techniques, spoken terminology, etc. Unfortunately, due to the limited bandwidth
that most folks still have (i.e. 33.6/56K) limits what can really be done. But, even
at that, some cool things can happen. I invite all to take a peek at
http://www.tigerarts.com to see where we're headed with streaming video and audio. You
can see a complete Tae Geuk form online. It is in slow motion and narrated, running
over 4 minutes in length. If you have a fast enough computer and V.5 of the RealPlayer
you can even play it full screen.

Take care,

Rich

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Gizbab

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Dec 29, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/29/97
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Please notice that I put "teach" in quotes!

Ron

James Stanton

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Dec 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/30/97
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That "scam" has produced champians. In their web page they show pictures of
such champions. Also you can go to members web pages like Joey Cadena and
see he has gone to open touraments and won first place because of the video
training he recieved. I am proud of being associated with such people.
Jim Stanton
Bryan, Texas

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RAYMOND IBBEKEN

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Dec 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/30/97
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Damnit Jim:
DONT TELL PEOPLE YOU ARE FROM TEXAS,You are embarrassing the rest of us
Ray Ibbeken
Austin ;o)

Stephen Havelka

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
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hey, if a prize-winner learned his material from video-tapes, more power
to him! if i thought i could learn how to fight from video tapes, you
better believe that i'd rather pay for some tapes than for ongoing
lessons. doesn't seem to me that it's necessary to bash the karate
connection service, because it's not directly hurting you, and you certainly
shouldn't let it bother you that the public will think they can learn from
videos. people will think a lot of stupid things about martial arts.

while i don't think that the karate-by-mail is offering good karate
instruction, they are offering a service and following up on that service.
what more can a business offer? but i sure wouldn't want to be the guy
who reviews the tapes people send them..

i have no connection to the karate-by-mail, either, so don't jump to
conclusions.

hey, mas matt, if you're reading this, send me an email! i've still
got a bump on my head from one of our matjanan skirmishes

-mas badass

Email

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
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Dear Fellow Posters,

I am not a subscriber to the "Karate Connection" or a member of it's group.
As many have said if one feels they can master the arts through video's let
them try, it may be a first step to getting them to try out a school, and
then again maybe not.

But I have a couple of tapes from some martial arts groups and although I
can say I have learned some things , I can not say that I feel it is the
way to mastery.

On the other hand many people buy books that claim to teach martial arts
and no one is calling these books a scam. aren't they doing the same thing
,but in alot of cases giving the person less to look at and maybe less to
understand (since words can be the hardest way to communicate).

The fact is that many people on the group have called many schools "scams"
and just "money makers" so the people buying the books ,the video tapes,
may only be getting slightly ripped off ,instead of being totally ripped
off at a martial arts school.

Just a couple of thoughts ,

Richard

RAYMOND IBBEKEN

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Dec 31, 1997, 3:00:00 AM12/31/97
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Uhh.... Yeah Sure :o)

laura...@gmail.com

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Sep 13, 2018, 3:37:42 PM9/13/18
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Unless you know the entire picture you should not make such an ass and idiot of your self! These tapes were made in the 70's & 80's moron! I was there. I know Vic! He also taught in studio and is Grand Master! The tapes were made to teach beyond the studio and reach people who were not close by to attend class. Karate Connection was not a scam! And I hope that 20 years later, you see this message. Maybe by now you have matured!


On Saturday, December 27, 1997 at 1:00:00 AM UTC-7, Pseudoscience Patrol wrote:
> Karate connection is indeed a scam. First, the premise of video testing. And Kenpo
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