Steven Seagal's woes
Fred Flintstone
and wetting his pants. I died laughing the first time I read it in this
newsgroup. Don't get me wrong, Seagal is a very good martial artist but
he is such a hypocrit that its funny when this kind of thing blows up in
his face. It seems Mr. Seagal's ego got him in a bit of trouble again
when he met professional wrestler Kurt Hennig (Mr. Perfect) in an
airport. Apparently, Hennig introduced himself to Seagal politely to
say he enjoyed his movies. While they were shaking hands Hennig
mentioned he was a professional wrestler. As soon as Seagal heard this
he had to tighten the grip on the handshake to show how tough he is.
Hennig who is said to have a crushing grip started to squeeze harder and
when Seagal went for a wrist submission, Hennig squeezed so hard he
brought Seagal to his knees in pain in front of his wife no less. LOL!
Hennig came back later after a friend told him on the phone about the
Gene Lebell incident to talk with Seagal about pissing his pants. LOL!
If you don't believe me, hear it straight from Hennig's mouth on the WCW
Live internet program at
http://webevents.broadcast.com/wcw/radioshow/9909/090799.ram
LOL!
Mr. Perfect rules!
Mike McConnell
Mr. Perfect or Seagal's that saw the alleged event?
Videotape would be good.
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it's one big act.
Fred Flintstone <fr...@bedrock.com> wrote in message
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Fred Flintstone
Neil Middlebrook wrote:
> Sorry, but I find that very hard to believe. WCW wrestlers are all fake,
> it's one big act.
>
Wow! You mean wrestling is fake. You're a genius. I never picked up on
that. However, the wrestlers are not fake. I'd like to see you tell Goldberg
or Scott Steiner they are fake to their face.
The results of the matches are predetermined but to say that these guys aren't
tough or don't know anything about submission wrestling (they are only
surrounded by it all the time, it's their job genius) is just plain
stupidity. Sorry to bust your bubble, its sounds like this has caused you
much trauma. LOL!
P.S. WCW wrestling Ernest "The Cat" Miller was just honored into the Black
Belt Hall of Fame. Care to rethink your statement?
Mike McConnell
Vincent vs. Ernest Miller
Posted by Living Legend on February 08, 1999 at 22:08:34:
http://wrestlingman.com/tv/messages/15.html
Ernest Miller calls out someone. The NWO convince Vincent to
come out. Miller used his karate skills to control most the
mathc, but Vincent would just not go down. Vincent got the
roll-up win after Sonny Onoo's plan backfired. WINNER:
VINCENT
[ TV Wrestling News ]
Looks like Ernest is letting Karate get a bad name
for all to see whether this was acting or not. Either way,
if he was acting he's making sport of Karate. If this
wasn't an act then his own ego blew up in his face. At
least there are some credible reports here and not from some
blow hard about Seagal's supposedly unfortunate event.
Anyways, like I really care.
Fred Flintstone
Mike McConnell wrote:
> Looks like Ernest is letting Karate get a bad name
> for all to see whether this was acting or not. Either way,
> if he was acting he's making sport of Karate. If this
> wasn't an act then his own ego blew up in his face. At
> least there are some credible reports here and not from some
> blow hard about Seagal's supposedly unfortunate event.
>
> Anyways, like I really care.
>
Are you really this stupid? I would like to think so but you seem to take
stupidity to such a degree that you are dangerous. Next time use better
judgement and keep your jumbled and confused comments to yourself. LOL!
Mike McConnell
Wilma you can go back to...back to the stone age.
mu...@my-deja.com
agree with wrestlers being tough as hell. Let's see some of the so
called bad ass martial artists do what these guys do.
One of the old trainers at my gym JP Krachunis, was a former pro
wrestler and had some moves as slick as anything I have ever seen in
any martial art for submission and restraint. This includes some high
rankers in Judo, Jujutsu, and aiki in Japan. I would happily put money
on some of the WCW wrestlers against some of the so called masters
running around. Yeah, Seagal included.
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thing but I don't doubt it. Seagal is an ego maniac who loves to push
his machismo around. The Labell story is an old one but true from many
sources. I don't doubt the henning thing either.
and just to add my two cents to you guys arguing about wrassling. it
is fake! I'm sure most of those guys are tough, look at their size, but
they aren't trained in anything special. They learn wrestling moves to
use in the ring but they would not want to try that on anyone skilled in
martial arts. I'm sure some of those guys have some sort of real
training but the majority of them were gym rats before pro wrestling
found them. Two perfect examples. Sting and Goldberg. Ric FLair found
sting in his gym and got him into wrestling. Sting found goldberg the
same way.
In article <37E0117D...@bedrock.com>,
Mike McConnell
"I'm number one" and whatever those blowhards do to get some
pathetic attention. Unassuming and humble fellows are much
better than some loud mouth MAs or wrestlers spouting words
about their egotistical selves. Really annoying.
Dave Hanemaayer
all fake". No one is "fake". Lets seperate character from skills here.
The fact of the matter is MOST wrestlers train to develop skills that allow
them to look extravagant while minimizing damage to each other.
So Fred, just because theres a couple guys in wrestling who happen to be
also martial artisits (Ernest "the cat" Miller is an EXCEPTION, not the
norm) does not make every wrestler a pratical and effiecient fighter. Yea
sure, wrestlers are "tough guys" - when compared to the average joe who has
no fighting training/experience at all. Anyone is a "tough guy" who pumps
weights and injects juice to look like a bloated bear.
But when it comes right down to it, if you take any proficient martial
artist (be it any fighting art) who trains to cause injury and put him up
against a "tough guy" wrestler who trains to minimize it - I'd put my money
on the martial artist 8 times out of 10.
Sorry to "jump off the top rope" and burst your bubble......or wait! -
don't worry the bubble is still intact.......it just looks like it was
burst!
Mike McConnell
<b...@NOoooSPAaaaMemail.msn.com> wrote:
> I suppose now your gonna tell us Chucky Norris is the
> second coming!? *LOL*
> --
I hope not. Ugh. He seems to be a good guy. At least he's
doing something useful with his star status to help kids
stay off of drugs. His "Texas Ranger" show is although
getting a bit stale. Seems like his "girlfriend" is always
getting in danger and he's there to save her. Seems like
that the show's only plot...to save her as many times as
possible.
Mike McConnell
> yeah, that's a pretty funny story. I've never heard
> the kurt henning thing but I don't doubt it. Seagal is an
> ego maniac who loves to push his machismo around.
I seriously doubt that. Since Seagal is an serious adherent
to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
concerning his ego and Aikido.
Chas
> I seriously doubt that. Since Seagal is an serious adherent
> to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
> budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
> concerning his ego and Aikido.
People mistake him for his characters. He has had some domestic
troubles, some public hassles from his celebrity and some missteps in
his own reactions to that celebrity.
He's still a hell of a martial artist, paid some heavy dues, worked his
ass off just to act in the mass media anyway and Kelly leBrock is
probably an intolerable bitch.
Chas
JimS
says...
>
>In article <7rtett$6pg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
>chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> yeah, that's a pretty funny story. I've never heard
>> the kurt henning thing but I don't doubt it. Seagal is an
>> ego maniac who loves to push his machismo around.
>
>to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
>budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
>concerning his ego and Aikido.
Really? Then perhaps many of us are completely wrong about our reaction to his personality.
Including folks like Gaku Homma, who was the founder's last live-in student in Japan.
So we have Stevie, who never studied under the founder (contrary to his own claims that
he was present despite eye-witness agreement he didn't).
Here's a quote from the Nippon Kan webpage:
"Steven Seagall performs acts of violence in the name of righteousness. His performances have
nothing to do with the teachings and techniques of Aikido. After the release of Steven Segall's
latest film, young men with ponytails emulating Segall line up in front of my dojo. These
students want to learn how to perform acts of violence like they saw Steven Seagall perform in
his movies. They do not wish to learn Aikido."
It's popular to want to be like Stevie and grimmace in ponytails.
It's hip, it's Southern Cal.
Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with aikido, nor is it a sign of an ego in check."
Regards,
Q.
GOU RONIN®
>He's still a hell of a martial artist, paid some heavy dues, worked his
>ass off just to act in the mass media anyway and Kelly leBrock is
>probably an intolerable bitch.
It's true. She's a bitch. C'mon! Everyone here who hasn't
slept with her put your hand up!
GOU RONIN® - The Unforgiven...
http://members.tripod.com/~kenpo_ronin/dragon.html
chil...@my-deja.com
Unfortunatly it is true. I am not one who confuses his characters
with him. I've read and seen interviews with him, he is not humble in
the least and has never hesitated to broadcast his opinion that he
can "beat up" most anyone. That is why labell choked him out. He talked
trash to someone who could meet the challange. He may have been a
humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
anyone eh? While I don't doubt he has skills and could really put a
hurting on someone he deserves the disdain of the aikido community for
the way he portrayed himself and aikido.
In article <1415c574...@usw-ex0103-020.remarq.com>,
Mike McConnell <mike_mcconn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I seriously doubt that. Since Seagal is an serious adherent
> to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
> budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
> concerning his ego and Aikido.
>
>
Chas
> Unfortunatly it is true. I am not one who confuses his characters
> with him. I've read and seen interviews with him, he is not humble in
> the least and has never hesitated to broadcast his opinion that he
> can "beat up" most anyone.
He can 'beat up' most anyone. As 'beaters up of people' go, he must be
in the 99%ile pretty much.
He is not humble. If he were humble, he would have stayed in the US,
studied something else from someone else, never made the jump to movies
or been the big mean charismatic sonofabitch that used to boink Kelly
leBrock.
> That is why labell choked him out.
Being choked out by Gene LeBell is an honor; the man is a phenom. In
point of fact, name me someone who has choked out Judo Gene;
X________________. He is, God love him, a freak of nature, *and* highly
skilled and practiced on top of it.
No shame in getting whacked by those kinds of guys.
> He talked
> trash to someone who could meet the challange.
Everybody gets to meet someone. I took an asswhipping from a fat old man
one time- correction, I didn't *take it*, he forced it upon me- I was 28
or 30 and acting out of my ass when he called me on it. I talked shit to
him and he beat me up <g> If we'd'a fought a little longer, he might
have killed me <G>
> He may have been a
> humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
> anyone eh?
Nah; money, power, access, privacy, sex, fame and all the toys in the
world?
Wouldn't do anything to me; you?
> While I don't doubt he has skills and could really put a
> hurting on someone he deserves the disdain of the aikido community for
> the way he portrayed himself and aikido.
Yeah- look down on him; cruel price he'll pay-
Lord of Madness
Chas <gryp...@home.com> wrote in message news:37E2A785...@home.com...
> Mike McConnell wrote:
> > I seriously doubt that. Since Seagal is an serious adherent
> > to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
> > budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
> > concerning his ego and Aikido.
>
> troubles, some public hassles from his celebrity and some missteps in
> his own reactions to that celebrity.
> ass off just to act in the mass media anyway and Kelly leBrock is
> probably an intolerable bitch.
>
I wouldn't mind finding out first hand about Kelly :-).
"Don't hate me because I'm beautiful."
JimS
>
>chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
[snipped]
>> He may have been a
>> humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
>> anyone eh?
>
>Nah; money, power, access, privacy, sex, fame and all the toys in the
>world?
>Wouldn't do anything to me; you?
>
>> While I don't doubt he has skills and could really put a
>> hurting on someone he deserves the disdain of the aikido community for
>> the way he portrayed himself and aikido.
>
>Yeah- look down on him; cruel price he'll pay-
>
>Chas
>http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/gartin/
Ya know, Chas., it's true. Much as guys like to slam Stevie, or like me try to milk Stevie's
acting ability for a few laughs, the guy is hardly hurting from it. In fact, we should all be so
unlucky as Stevie has been in life. If he's a reincarnated lama, I'm the Pope, but hell,
everybody makes mistakes. Tibetan buddhists, in fact, may make a lot of 'em, but I digress...
Personally, I actually believe Stevie's heart is in the right place, and he's out to
make the world a better place.
Others' mileage may vary, but that's my current assessment from a curiosity standpoint.
And if that's his real intention, more power to him.
Cheers,
Q.
GOU RONIN®
>chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
>> He may have been a
>> humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
>> anyone eh?
>Nah; money, power, access, privacy, sex, fame and all the toys in the
>world?
>Wouldn't do anything to me; you?
Not me! I'd still be the same idiot you all know and love.
GOU RONINŽ - The Unforgiven...
http://members.tripod.com/~kenpo_ronin/dragon.html
Jacob M. Parnas
friend who was in the special forces and a navy seal who knew seagal who
told me that he mediditated and practiced almost all the time.
In article <7rubhe$5...@tali.UCHSC.edu>,
Jim.S...@Uchsc.edu (JimS) writes:
|> In article <1415c574...@usw-ex0103-020.remarq.com>, mike_mcconn...@hotmail.com
|> says...
|> >
|> >In article <7rtett$6pg$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
|> >chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
|> >> yeah, that's a pretty funny story. I've never heard
|> >> the kurt henning thing but I don't doubt it. Seagal is an
|> >> ego maniac who loves to push his machismo around.
|> >
|> >I seriously doubt that. Since Seagal is an serious adherent
|> >to the philosophy and practice of Aikido and the art of
|> >budo, he's not out there to prove anything to anybody
|> >concerning his ego and Aikido.
|>
|> Really? Then perhaps many of us are completely wrong about our reaction to his personality.
|> Including folks like Gaku Homma, who was the founder's last live-in student in Japan.
|> So we have Stevie, who never studied under the founder (contrary to his own claims that
|> he was present despite eye-witness agreement he didn't).
|>
|> Here's a quote from the Nippon Kan webpage:
|> "Steven Seagall performs acts of violence in the name of righteousness. His performances have
|> nothing to do with the teachings and techniques of Aikido. After the release of Steven Segall's
|> latest film, young men with ponytails emulating Segall line up in front of my dojo. These
|> students want to learn how to perform acts of violence like they saw Steven Seagall perform in
|> his movies. They do not wish to learn Aikido."
|>
|> It's popular to want to be like Stevie and grimmace in ponytails.
|> It's hip, it's Southern Cal.
|> Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with aikido, nor is it a sign of an ego in check."
|>
|> Regards,
|> Q.
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
|>
--
Jacob M. Parnas
Internet: jpa...@javanet.com
Jacob M. Parnas
Chas <gryp...@home.com> writes:
|> chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
|> > Unfortunatly it is true. I am not one who confuses his characters
|> > with him. I've read and seen interviews with him, he is not humble in
|> > the least and has never hesitated to broadcast his opinion that he
|> > can "beat up" most anyone.
|>
|> He can 'beat up' most anyone. As 'beaters up of people' go, he must be
|> in the 99%ile pretty much.
|> He is not humble. If he were humble, he would have stayed in the US,
|> studied something else from someone else, never made the jump to movies
|> or been the big mean charismatic sonofabitch that used to boink Kelly
|> leBrock.
He's not paid to be humble. Pretty much anyone who plays a hero is not
humble (or is falsely so). Imagine, the bad guys killing innocents and he
could help but modesty prevented him from saving innocents lives? I doubt
he'd make much of a career doing that.
|> > That is why labell choked him out.
Heresay.
|> Being choked out by Gene LeBell is an honor; the man is a phenom. In
|> point of fact, name me someone who has choked out Judo Gene;
|> X________________. He is, God love him, a freak of nature, *and* highly
|> skilled and practiced on top of it.
|> No shame in getting whacked by those kinds of guys.
|>
|> > He talked
|> > trash to someone who could meet the challange.
|>
|> Everybody gets to meet someone. I took an asswhipping from a fat old man
|> one time- correction, I didn't *take it*, he forced it upon me- I was 28
|> or 30 and acting out of my ass when he called me on it. I talked shit to
|> him and he beat me up <g> If we'd'a fought a little longer, he might
|> have killed me <G>
|>
|> > He may have been a
|> > humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
|> > anyone eh?
There's a difference between rumors and acting and one's real personality.
|> Nah; money, power, access, privacy, sex, fame and all the toys in the
|> world?
|> Wouldn't do anything to me; you?
|>
|> > While I don't doubt he has skills and could really put a
|> > hurting on someone he deserves the disdain of the aikido community for
|> > the way he portrayed himself and aikido.
Could you be more specific?
|> Yeah- look down on him; cruel price he'll pay-
|>
|> Chas
|> http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/gartin/
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>Date: Sat, 09 October 1999 02:18 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7to0ue$m4g$2...@autumn.news.rcn.net>
>
>In article <37E80D1E...@home.com>,
> Chas <gryp...@home.com> writes:
>|> chil...@my-deja.com wrote:
>|> > Unfortunatly it is true. I am not one who confuses his characters
>|> > with him. I've read and seen interviews with him, he is not humble in
>|> > the least and has never hesitated to broadcast his opinion that he
>|> > can "beat up" most anyone.
>|>
>|> He can 'beat up' most anyone. As 'beaters up of people' go, he must be
>|> in the 99%ile pretty
What martial artist couldn't?
Is that why the Aikikai gave him a 7th Dan? or was it the $700,000
contribution.
Ajbryant5
O'sensei was dead. He DID study in Tohei's orginization and was active in the
early 70's however. That much is documented and true.
Seagal has done quite well for himself but I wonder if his ex-wife and child he
deserted in Japan would feel the same....
bite me
You mean he isn't any more - What Hapened ?
That is why labell choked him out.
Who is this LeBell dude and where can i see something on him webwise ?
Being choked out by Gene LeBell is an honor; the man is a phenom. In
point of fact, name me someone who has choked out Judo Gene;
X________________. He is, God love him, a freak of nature, *and* highly
skilled and practiced on top of it.
Is that why the Aikikai gave him a 7th Dan? or was it the $700,000
contribution.
Wow he bribes too ?
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
and I'm an Aikijujutsu Teacher, and student, and in regards to Aikido, I
enjoy the way Shihan Seagal portrays himself on film and with the use of
his martial ability, you'd have to be very ignorant, and most of all
foolish to say that the man, is not a master of himself, and his
discipline. It is alway easy to put another person down when we feel
threatened by ones presence on film and in person, we will all have to
give an account one day, so I personally feel that we waste to much
time worrying about how tough or how good someone is, when true martial
spirit teaches perfection of oneself, meaning self-control, when we
learn to master self which can last a lifetime, we will have no time to
put others down, no matter what style he or she practice, always
remember God is the real Master, we are only experts, and that is for
those who truly train in the discipline of martial spirit.
OUS!
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
in full control of the dojo, and if you watch any of his movies, the
latest called the Patriot you will see his daughter acting side by side
a Dr. with him, read the credits. Also a good word of advice make sure
you take care of your wife and children if you have any.
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
and yes he demonstrated his ability with Steven Seagal, but I think you
guys are just a little bit confused, have you ever heard of exchanging
techniques, and respect there was no dispute or animosity between, these
two men Seagal was being shown Gene Le Belles skills at Judo's shime
waza techniques.
'The Master of Magnetism'
p...@mail.utexas.edu
wrote:
>|> > He may have been a
>|> > humble, honorable aikidoka at one time. I guess hollywood can change
>|> > anyone eh?
>
>There's a difference between rumors and acting and one's real personality.
Really? So what do the facts that Seagal abandoned his 1st wife and
children in Japan, and was proven in court to have beaten his wife at
the time, Kelly LeBrock, say about Seagal's real personality?
Chas
> > Chas <gryp...@home.com> writes:
> >|> He can 'beat up' most anyone. As 'beaters up of people' go, he must be
> >|> in the 99%ile pretty
>
> What martial artist couldn't?
Precisely- and Steven Seagal is a good martial artist, kind of a fair
actor and, not a half-bad celebrity.
Compare him with that other sterling martial artist, scion of an acting
dynasty; David Carradine. Carradine is probably in the 98%ile.
> Is that why the Aikikai gave him a 7th Dan? or was it the $700,000
> contribution.
Semi-traditionally, anything over about 6th is honorary only- it's a
matter of what you do for the progression of the art; production of
blackbelts, numbers of schools and their sizes, etc. 5th is about the
last 'fighting' belt.
Seagals contribution, and its' recognition (the making of a whole lot of
money using the art- influencing a lot of people positively about the
art) was entirely traditional and proper.
The biggest mistake he made in the media was to treat Kelly leBrock like
a Japanese wife- wonder where he learned that?
mc_busman
Yes, Segal did abandon his first wife and child in Japan. Any monetary
or property settlement he may have reached with her occurred only after
she initiated divorce proceedings, and the final decision was impacted
by the fact that he had basically run off to seek his fortune in the
U.S. without a thought about either his spouse of kid (desertion). He
did not make an effort to provide for them until he was prodded by the
law and sullied in the press. I remember hearing at the time this was
news that he had also commited bigamy against his first marriage,
marrying for a second time in the US before the divorce was complete,
but this isn't something I care enough about to research either way.
Segal's marriage to LeBrock broke up when she caught him sleeping with
their 16 year old (at the time) babysitter--not exactly the most
harmonious way to insure a lasting, happy relationship with the wife
and wee ones. To my knowledge, the ex-babysitter makes wife #3.
Attended an address by the Dalai Lama in L.A. a few years ago, Segal
entered along with him, decked out in prayer beads and an outfit whih
looks like it came off the set of one of his shows, and an entourage of
7 females, all blond, in tow. No telling how long #3 is going to last,
but Segal is in all probability, not a good bet for anyone looking for
a "safe sex" companion. . .(!)
The LeBell thing is true, here's the background. Around the time this
occurred (late 80's, I believe), Segal had given a couple of interviews
to Blackbelt, IKF magazine, among others. He'd talk about
spirituality, the important qualities inherent in the martial arts like
loyalty, dedication, willingness to test ones strengths in real
situations--and then he'd cap it all by making a few statements to the
effect of (I'll paraphrase) "I fear no one", "I could beat anyone",
etc. This went on for a few months, with some writing editorials which
dwelled upon Segal's many instances of hypocracy, and others, usually
Aikido folk ("he's a bit eccentric, but he's good for publicizing the
art") or non-martial artists who were fans of his screen work,
defending him. Finally, Bob Wall decided to share the spotlight, and
got together a band of relatively well-seasoned martial artists who
chuckled at the idea of the ponytailed, slightly pot-bellied Segal
throwing hem around. Said group originally included Wallace, LeBell,
Urquidez, and a few others, to total about 12 or so. All declared
publicly, in BB, that they would be willing to test Segal's
impervousness. Segal didn't bother responding to any of 'em. 'Course
he didn't have to--but then why'd he open his mouth and bleat "no one
can take me" in the first place? Shortly thereafter, the LeBell thing
happened. It was definitely not a brotherly "sharing of techniques",
and took place on the set of one of Segal's films. There were plenty
of witnesses.
As for the wrestler. . .if he lied, Segal could take legal action
against him. But why would he make up something so outrageous,
something that could cost him in damages? Segal at times seems to make
the mistake of believing himself to be as invinceable as some of the
characters he portrays. Maybe he forgets that in the real world, here
can be unfortunate consequences for foolish actions. Now, nobody's
perfect, but seems that someone in such a position (relatively steady,
good-paying work, $$, etc.) could use better judgement when dealing
with the public and members of his own family. Esp. someone with a
high rank in Aikido (7th dan, $700,000? Is this true?) who professes
great spirituality and claims to teach these qualities. Just thoughts
at the end here.
*busman*
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Before you buy.
Fred Flintstone
LOL! Wow, here's some free advice. Get over youself. LOL! Please tell us
more about yourself Sensei and get up on your ethics soap box some more.
P.S. I'll send some money to help surgically remove your lips from Segal's
azz.
GOU RONIN®
crayola:
>Ouss! Hi my name is Sensei Thomas R. Mack
Your Mama named you "sensei?" Wow, that must have been hard in
grade school.
**grin**
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Darrell Gordon
are just a little bit confused"?
Sensei Thomas R. Mack <Ren...@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:3503-37F...@storefull-145.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
JimS
>
>You're wrong about Seagal not being good/serious about Aikido. I have a
>friend who was in the special forces and a navy seal who knew seagal who
>told me that he mediditated and practiced almost all the time.
Did ya really?
Unfortunately, my quote (again given below) is from a live-in student of Ueshiba,
not one of your friends. If you want to argue with him about it, I suppose he'd
just love to hear your opinion. I know I would.
And SEAL should be in caps- it's an acronym, pal.
Roland Lee
: In article <7to09o$m4g$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>, jpa...@javanet.com says...
: >
: >You're wrong about Seagal not being good/serious about Aikido. I have a
: >friend who was in the special forces and a navy seal who knew seagal who
: >told me that he mediditated and practiced almost all the time.
: Did ya really?
: Unfortunately, my quote (again given below) is from a live-in student of Ueshiba,
: not one of your friends. If you want to argue with him about it, I suppose he'd
: just love to hear your opinion. I know I would.
: And SEAL should be in caps- it's an acronym, pal.
maybe he's talking about a real seal...you know, the ones that the navy
trains to recover dummy torpedoes and such...
--
If at first you don't succeed, skydiving is not for you.
Roland S. Lee
Materials Science and Engineering
University of Pennsylvania
rl...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
yodan Renshi
6th. dan rokudan Honorary, 7th. dan Shichidan also Honorary.
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
I just felt that no one never has anything positive to say about anyone,
even if they're good too.
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
lips LOL
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
'The Master of Magnetism'
Sensei Thomas R. Mack
violence.
'The Master of Magnetism'
Ajbryant5
Unfortunately, I didn't have the info in print to back up my claim (though I
knew it to be true). Mr. Seagal has made a very bad name for himself within the
Aikido community here in the US. Aikido Today approached him politely about
interviews and he basically snubbed them. That started his isolation within the
Aikido community here and that continues to this day. He had already developed
a "Hollywood" attitude even at that time (early 80's).
Let's face the facts folks.... Seagal was a shodan who moved to Japan, married
into a dojo and was hastily promoted thereto. The Aikido seen in his movies is
"Hollywood martial arts." No more, no less.
Actually, I met him a few years ago. Among other things, I inquired about his
Omoto-kyo studies. He didn't impress me. Actually, for a "Omoto-kyo priest" he
didn't know much about Deguchi or the Omoto philosophy in general. Humm....
BTW - Several years ago, a student of Seagal (with pony tail) strolled into
Mitsugi Saotome's dojo and inquired about teaching. Yup, you read that right.
Needless to say, Saotome was very polite and this gentleman hasn't been around
since. Feel free to contact the Aikido Schools of Ueshiba for further
information.
GOU RONIN®
crayola:
>No yours did, and she say's it everynite
Oh gosh "Sensei," ya got me! Wow! That was a great comeback.
How will I ever hope to compete with you on a level like that? What
wit! What reparte! Shakespere hath no comeback like thine oh pious
one!
That made me smile so hard that I'm gonna need plastic surgery
to remove the grin from my face. Can't you hear my @sshole whistling
"zipitty do dah" I'm laughing so hard?
You are truely the "Mack Daddy" of RMA.
By the way...my Mom died in a horrible piano accident you
jackass...thanks for bringing back the terrible memories.
JimS
>
>Then let them study Aikido, maybe it will change their minds about
>violence.
>
>'The Master of Magnetism'
Hey, "Sensei",
If you're so smart,you should be able to answer this one:
As a master of magnetism, why do women everywhere snicker when you walk by?
Could it possibly be because your personality isn't as magnetic as you're hoping?
Just wondering out loud,
Q. :-)
Hapkido...@webtv.net
Like someone said earlier, you feel threatened by him so you put him
down. There isn't anyone here who honestly knows the man? Is there?
No..
All you know of him is what the tabloids tell you/us. He beat his
wife? We all know how the news spread. She could have flipped out on
him smacked him, or something, he pushed her down or something else,
and next thing you know the tabs get it. Then it's "Seagal does martial
arts move and throws Kelly to grown" then it's "Seagal does 3 hit combo
on kelly's face throws her down and breaks her arm"!
We all know how they spread, so why make your opinion off of it
when we really don't even know whats going on? Until any of actually
know the man, his history from him, and just HIM, who are we to make a
judgement? No ones.
He might be arrogant, he might haved said he could be almost
anyone. What martial artist doesn't say that or think that? Come on,
it's in the back of all our heads. And that's good. We shouldn't think
negative, I mean he isn't out going hey I am god, etc etc..
I have teached and practiced for only a short 9 years and I
have seen white belts claim to be Bruce Lee!! The man has a 7th Dan, if
he is a little cocky hey, he can be!