The book makes you want to slit your wrists.
It was good, though.
//jbaltz
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jerry b. altzman jba...@altzman.com www.jbaltz.com
thank you for contributing to the heat death of the universe.
I will post Schlusse's review for you. She sort of liked it, but I steer
clear of post apocalyptic movies almost always, especially since as a
boy I saw 'On the Beach' and that was more than enough. I saw terrible
and terribly good things all there and I wondered scared as boys do,
what would be.
So Schlussel's general positive review did not move me to go see this
movie on the Thanksgiving weekend, when it came out, or thereafter.... I
can go see it around me and look at newsgroups and other places to see
what happens when love dies, energy whithers, standards decay and
cannibals moan around looking for detritus to feed upon.
Mark
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* �The Road�: This really bleak movie is hardly Thanksgiving material.
Or new material�what with the plethora of apocalypse movies we�ve
already seen in the past couple of years and on the horizon for the
foreseeable future. On the other hand, it really makes you thankful for
what you have. And this is one of the better apocalypse movies in my
view. It�s at the same time an adventure and a moral tale.
An earthquake or some other disaster has happened that has somehow
knocked out sunlight from the earth. Everything is cloudy, and most
humans are dead or dying. The few humans that remain are mostly evil
and cannibals.
But Viggo Mortensen is one of the good people, and the movie raises the
dilemma: how do you remain good in a world gone bad? A bleak world
where the constant struggle to survive is dominant and you have a young
son to whom to teach good values and the will to survive? As they
struggle to survive and forage in the woods, the cold, snow, and homes
of strangers and the dead, Mortensen does his best to teach his son to
be a good person and a survivor. I liked it for that reason, and for
the message of hope and survival amidst the bleakness, as well as the
subtle religious messages.
Still, there were two part of this movie that turned me off. One was a
very disturbing scene in which naked humans were stored alive as food in
a basement by cannibals. There was blood everywhere, too. The other
was Charlize Theron as Mortensen�s hopeless wife, who abandons her
husband and young son because she says it�s pointless to try to survive.
I�d bet this is how the real-life Cuba-apologist Theron would be, so
there wasn�t much acting involved. Yup, she�s a bitch.
> I�d bet this is how the real-life Cuba-apologist Theron would be,
WTF is this woman's problem? She's got "There's Reds under our beds!" syndrome, plus she makes
dumbass judgements about people she's never met.
And this is the loon whose opinion you rely upon for movie choices?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
It's a contemporary adventure, and it's about finding oneself in the
present, the past, and to the future. Okay sort of like what religion
bespeaks beneath and above the plywood, forward back up down east west
etc etc., and so this is my excuse not to do the interminable paperwork
that my work requires. As hope springs alive, I relish the schmaltz and
dignity and effort of the little story.
I note by the way, hope Gary Sinise, who plays an astronaut in the movie
who elects to ship out to find the originals of mars, is in real life a
tremendous contributor to charity to our wounded warriors and gave a
lecture to Brian De Palma who I think directed this one, maybe not, I
don't know, but DiPalma, another hollyweird lefty bs tosser against war,
was given a sobering reminder by Sinise what the meaning of good and
decent means etc. God I like and admise decent men, and people who
understand how important such sobriety and strength really is to
themselves and others.
Now it's mostly gone from places like RMA... which is why it's not worth
much time to hear the cannibals moaning for flesh as they do around
here. Waste.
Mark
Delly's you're a loon....
Mark
Your a soft tyrannist yourself. So here's an article in my file from May
11th of this year on bs hollywierd set and Castro and Ms Theron where
she actually is almost right and then, pees right down her little leg.
Kind of like you with your above witless, senseless remark. The kind
that calls a Chompsky, merely someone to 'disagree with'
Mark
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May 11, 2009
Why Does Hollywood Love Fidel Castro?
By Humberto Fontova
"Fidel Castro is a genius!" gushed Jack Nicholson after a visit with the
Cuban F�hrer in 1998. "We spoke about everything," the actor rhapsodized
further. "Castro is a humanist like President Clinton. Cuba is simply a
paradise!" Jack Nicholson has been saying such things for years now.
Many of his Hollywood cohorts follow suit.
"Socialism works. I think Cuba might prove that" (Chevy Chase).
"Castro is very selfless and moral, one of the world's wisest men"
(Oliver Stone).
"If you believe in freedom, if you believe in justice, if you believe in
democracy, you have no choice but to support Fidel Castro!" (Harry
Belafonte).
"It was an experience of a lifetime to sit only a few feet away from him
(Castro)" Kevin Costner.
"The eight most important hours of my life," Stephen Spielberg
describing his dinner with Castro.
While holding up the book "Fidel: Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant" on his TV
show, Bill O'Reilly called these celebs "Hollywood pinheads."
But there might be more to these celebrity plugs for a tyrant who jailed
more of his subjects than did Hitler or Stalin than the usual celebrity
vacuity upstairs.
"My job was to bug their hotel rooms," says high-ranking Cuban
intelligence defector Delfin Fernandez. "With both cameras and listening
devices. Most people have no idea they are being watched while they are
in Cuba. But their personal activities are filmed under orders from
Castro himself."
And according to some sources, Havana, given the desperation of its
brutalized and impoverished residents, has recently topped Bangkok as
the world mecca for child sex.
"He [Delfin Fernandez] has not only met some of the most famous men in
the world," says the London Daily Mirror about the Cuban defector, "he's
also spied on them and been witness to some of their most innermost
secrets."
"When the celebrity visitors arrived at the hotels Nacional, Melia
Habana and Melia Cohiba," says Fernandez, "we already had their rooms
completely bugged with sophisticated taping equipment. But not just the
rooms, we'd also follow the visitors around. Sometimes we covered them
24 hours a day. They had no idea we were tailing them."
Famous Spanish filmmaker Pedro Almodovar was a special target for this
bugging, but nothing of value for Castro came of it. "Everybody already
knows I'm a maricon!" Almodovar laughed at Castro's blackmailers. "So go
right ahead! Knock yourselves out!"
"Fidel Castro is a special connoisseur of these tapings and videos,"
Fernandez says. "Especially of the really famous."
And not even his closest "friends" are safe from this bugging. The best
example is Castro's longtime "friend" Nobel Prize-winning novelist
Gabriel Garcia Marquez. In what appeared as a touching act of generosity
and friendship, Castro gave his friend "Gabo" his very own [stolen]
mansion in Havana.
"We had remodeled it right before," remembers intelligence honcho
Fernandez, "and we installed more cables for bugging devices than for
the normal electrical appliances. We taped everything! Fidel doesn't
trust anyone."
Castro's top intelligence people would gather for the screenings of
these tapes almost like Hollywood types for an upcoming movie. "Hmmmm,
these scenes are more scandalous than anything in any of her movies!"
Fernandez recalls a top intelligence officer chortling while watching
the nighttime cavortings of a famous Spanish actress.
"Now it really seems to me, compa�eros," the Castro intimate chortled as
he looked around the room, "that this se�ora should be making more
respectful comments about our regime, right?"
"But famous Americans are the priority objectives of Castro's
intelligence," says Fernandez. "When word came down that models Naomi
Campbell and Kate Moss were coming to Cuba, the order was a routine one:
24-hour-a-day vigilance. Then we got a priority alert," recalls
Fernandez, "because there was a rumor that they would be sharing a room
with Leonardo DiCaprio. The rumor set off a flurry of activity, and we
set up the most sophisticated devices we had."
"The American actor Jack Nicholson was another celebrity who was bugged
and taped thoroughly during his stay in the hotel Melia Cohiba," states
Fernandez, the man in charge of the bugging.
Turns out, however, that at least one visiting dignitary foiled Castro's
intelligence. On his visit to Cuba in 1998, Pope John Paul II's
assistants discovered and removed several bugging devices from His
Holiness's guest house.
Perhaps Castro had a grudge against the papacy. Most don't recall, but
in January 1962 Pope John XXIII excommunicated Fidel Castro from the
Catholic Church. It seemed fitting, considering the hundreds of Cuban
men and boys crumpling to Castro's firing squads while yelling "Long
Live Christ the King!" during their last seconds alive.
Oddly (at first), Hollywood A-lister Charlize Theron traveled to Cuba in
2007 and returned without the paeans to its Stalinist regime that
habitually issue from her colleagues after such visits.
So pigs worldwide started sprouting wings.
During her Cuban visit Ms. Theron helped produce a documentary ("East of
Havana") on Cuban hip-hop artists that cast the Castro regime in a
negative light.
Pigs worldwide started flapping and taxiing down the runway.
On ABC's "Good Morning America," Charlize Theron said: "I think the
(Cuban) younger generation is starting to say, 'You know what? It
doesn't work. We're not happy. We want to have freedom of speech. We
want to be able to travel.'"
By now every pig from Bangkok to Stockholm was galloping madly and
flapping furiously while nearing the end of his runway.
During a subsequent interview on CNN, anchor Rick Sanchez started to ask
Theron about the lack of freedoms in Cuba. She interrupted the question
with the following: "I would argue that there's a lack of freedom in
America."
Whoops!--Pigs worldwide promptly cocked their ears and started slowing
down both their hoofbeats and wingbeats.
"I seem to recall," explained the Academy Award winning Best Actress,
"some time ago some reporters being fired from their jobs for speaking
up on television about how they felt about the war."
"But do you think the lack of freedoms in Cuba are parallel to the lack
of freedoms in the United States?" asked CNN's Sanchez.
"Well, I would," answered Theron. Pigs worldwide now stopped flapping
and cupped their ears in rapt attention. "I would compare those two,"
continued Theron. "Yes, definitely."
Inches from the end of the runway pigs worldwide dug in their heels and
jammed their engines into reverse, thus remaining earthbound. "Ah!" they
squealed. "Now this is more like it!" Their wings retracted and they
returned to their wallows, grunting contentedly.
After many nights of scrutiny and meditation, the best my team of
analysts can determine is that Charlize Theron equates the policies of a
regime that incarcerated political prisoners at a higher rate than
Stalin's, that machine guns to death entire families for attempting to
travel abroad, that mandates (under penalty of prison or firing squad)
what its subjects, read, say, eat, earn, eat (both substance and
amount), where they live, travel or work -- she equates this regime with
a government under which a private corporation owned by stockholders
terminated some employees for violating company guidelines.
OK, so Cuba's a repressive place -- but no more repressive than the U.S.
Charlize Theron made this clear. So let's give her time. As a political
philosopher, she's obviously not shoulder to shoulder with Hollywood's
best and brightest just yet. But she's off to a promising start. By
Hollywood standards her logic seems airtight.
Humberto Fontova is the author of four books including Exposing the Real
Che Guevara. Visit hfontova.com.
I certainly don't need other people's opinions in hand before I decide to see a movie.
This dumb cow is judging Theron not on her acting ability, but her political views; how very
Mcarthyist of her. Of all the people in the world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST
to make such judgements on others.
You DO know what the word 'prejudiced' means, don't you?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
LOFL! Dude, your right-wing mouth-foaming is hilarious.
I clip the other people's stuff you've provided, hoping you might have an opinion of your own to share.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
> I certainly don't need other people's opinions in hand before I decide
> to see a movie.
>
> This dumb cow is judging Theron not on her acting ability, but her
> political views; how very Mcarthyist of her. Of all the people in the
> world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST to make such
> judgements on others.
>
> You DO know what the word 'prejudiced' means, don't you?
Yes.. I do. It means to prejudge. Like you did when you say, chose bjj
over jjj, or karate. Or when you chose your wife over another women. You
were pre-judging, and being prejudiced.
But you merely McCarthyized the term, like liberal soft tyrannists do,
and misrepresent prejudice for what you demand it mean. It is of course
terribly important to judge not her views but to judge them in context
of movie making. She could play Oriana Fallaci and convince us she's
something she's not. She could play Moses's wife and convince us she's
something she's not. That's talent. But the point of the movie, which by
the way, Schlussel liked enough, was to point out .... irony, of the
participants in the real world and how that impacts upon the meaning of
'apocalypse' movies. Which is a very meaningful point and way to assess
movie's values, values, and how they connect.
For instance your absurd bigoted bullshit idiocy ...'> Of all the people
in the
>> world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST to make such
>> judgements on others
What hypocritical junk. THAT'S bias. Of course you couldn't figure that
one out with a roadmap. But, then you don't read them do you.
Mark
.
I do. See above for your soft bigotry and pretentious twaddle which I
posted.
You need losers and bigots like wannabe, and hal, to make you feel
smart. That's why you dragged Ren Li back here in the spring.
That's you Peter.
Mark
>> Your a soft tyrannist yourself.
>
> LOFL! Dude, your right-wing mouth-foaming is hilarious.
I know. You think your're such a bright fellow.
here's another authority who of course you'll find just so gauche. Not
like you at all..... :^))
May 11, 2009
Why Does Hollywood Love Fidel Castro?
By Humberto Fontova
"Fidel Castro is a genius!" gushed Jack Nicholson after a visit with the
Cuban F�hrer in 1998. "We spoke about everything," the actor rhapsodized
"Now it really seems to me, compa�eros," the Castro intimate chortled as
he looked around the room, "that this se�ora should be making more
>
> LOFL! Dude, your right-wing mouth-foaming is hilarious.
Read this slowly now Peter.... you know, after you opine about the
brilliant Chumpsky and is what did you call him....? An
Anarcho-syndicalist?? Waht a joke of an assessment....
You idiot, he has decades of experience in judo.
> Or when you chose your wife over another women.
Again, you idiot, he has decades of experience.. with that young,
beautiful, nubile, gracely lady.
(close call)
> You were pre-judging, and being prejudiced.
That isn't what pre-judging means. "Pre-judging" means, as you say,
"to prejudge" (brilliance award there), LIKE for example BABBLING
ABOUT A MOVIE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN.
I knew this was going to happen. I predicted it in the other thread.
> But you merely McCarthyized the term,
Only a whining college boy thinks re-feeding facts as insults is
intelligent. To everyone else, it reminds us of the original fact. You
were being McArthyist. I wish you'd stop because I admit it, you make
me angry. You're really bad. I'll stop here, unlike you would, becuse
I have some modicum of self control. Unlike you. Oh yes, I know when
to shut up. I'm not one of those jerks who keeps talking when it's
time to shut up.
-
p.s.
> For instance your absurd bigoted bullshit idiocy ...'> Of all the people
> in the world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST to make such judgements on others
>
> What hypocritical junk. THAT'S bias. Of course you couldn't figure that
> one out with a roadmap. But, then you don't read them do you.
Hypocritical? Huh? What the hell are you talking about? You're the one
babbling about jews and what not, defending critics in movie reviews
based on the religious and political content in the review without
having seen a movie, and you call someone a hypocrite for merely
pointing out how ridiculous you sound?
Fine, I'll stop now.
-
Not at all, utterly incorrect. Those decisions were made posteriori; there's no 'pre' in those
decisions.
> But you merely McCarthyized the term,
You're kidding, surely?
> like liberal soft tyrannists do,
Oh, I thought I was a 'homicidist'.
> and misrepresent prejudice for what you demand it mean.
It means what it means, and you don't know what it means.
> It is of course
> terribly important to judge not her views but to judge them
Someone call the Logic Ambulance, please....
> in context of movie making.
> She could play Oriana Fallaci and convince us she's
> something she's not. She could play Moses's wife and convince us she's
> something she's not. That's talent.
Yes, and quite beside the point.
> But the point of the movie, which by
> the way, Schlussel liked enough, was to point out .... irony, of the
> participants in the real world and how that impacts upon the meaning of
> 'apocalypse' movies.
We're at cross purposes here.
> Which is a very meaningful point and way to assess
> movie's values, values, and how they connect.
The 'meaning' she's talking about is the meaning *she* is choosing to give it, and it's hers alone.
> For instance your absurd bigoted bullshit idiocy ...'> Of all the people
> in the
>>> world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST to make such
>>> judgements on others
>
> What hypocritical junk. THAT'S bias. Of course you couldn't figure that
> one out with a roadmap.
Prejudice is pre-judging, get it? Judging before the evidence is in hand. Judging without the
necessary interaction. Judging an actress according to her political beliefs is no different to
judging because of race, creed or colour. Jews know a bit about such prejudice.
> But, then you don't read them do you.
Roadmaps? No, I use GPS.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
I can spell 'you're' if that's what you mean.
> here's another authority who of course you'll find just so gauche. Not
> like you at all..... :^))
<clipped unread>
Not interested.
I'll read 1,000 words of *your* opinion, so why not write it?
GDS
"Let's roll!"
You fucking idiot Mark.
Let us count the references to jews, nazis, communism, and every other
camp political hitch in this article; I counted twenty major
intellectually dishonest arguments and countless minor ones.
This rapid fire bullshit isn't a review; it hits you with
intellectually dishonest fact after intellectually dishonest fact. It
doesn't give you time to think. It doesn't follow up. It doesn't
explain. I suspect that's why it appeals to you, as you also
habitually throw fact out the window for invented spectacle. It's your
style. You like it. Thats why you posted it.
It's nothing but propaganda.
-
No, that's not what I said. Chomsky has never *been* an Anarcho-syndicalist; he has some sympathies
towards that movement, but he's primarily a Libertarian Socialist. He's reknowned as a linguist and
that's his major contribution. See here's your problem, Mark.
When we talk about Bertrand Russell, you focus on his atheism, or him being a bit of a pants man, as
these aspects of Russell offend your religious paradigm. Do you discuss Russell's monumental
contributions to the foundations of mathematics, or his Nobel Prize winning prose? No, of course
not, because you can't, or won't, or both.
If we discuss Chomsky, you want to talk about is his political leanings, not his contributions to
the study and development of language. Theron has some political views you find unsavoury? You and
your pal Debbie would rather make an issue of that than her acting abilities.
If someone told me Actor X was Jewish, I would shrug and say "So what?" and would have a short fuse
with anyone expecting me to agree with any prejudice based on their stereotype of Jews. So if you
want to point to Cheron's political leanings, just understand the very slippery slope you're
standing upon.
>> OK, so Cuba's a repressive place -- but no more repressive than the U.S.
> Charlize Theron made this clear. So let's give her time. As a political
> philosopher,
> she's obviously not shoulder to shoulder with Hollywood's best and
> brightest just yet.
> But she's off to a promising start. By Hollywood standards her logic
> seems airtight.
I've no idea what you're talking about.
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Oliver Richman is correct.
>> Or when you chose your wife over another women.
>
> Again, you idiot, he has decades of experience.. with that young,
> beautiful, nubile, gracely lady.
>
> (close call)
Correct again!
>> You were pre-judging, and being prejudiced.
>
> That isn't what pre-judging means. "Pre-judging" means, as you say,
> "to prejudge" (brilliance award there), LIKE for example BABBLING
> ABOUT A MOVIE THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN.
JFC...three times in one thread I agree with Oliver Richman!
> I knew this was going to happen. I predicted it in the other thread.
>
>> But you merely McCarthyized the term,
>
> Only a whining college boy thinks re-feeding facts as insults is
> intelligent. To everyone else, it reminds us of the original fact. You
> were being McArthyist. I wish you'd stop because I admit it, you make
> me angry. You're really bad. I'll stop here, unlike you would, becuse
> I have some modicum of self control. Unlike you. Oh yes, I know when
> to shut up. I'm not one of those jerks who keeps talking when it's
> time to shut up.
>
> -
>
> p.s.
>
>> For instance your absurd bigoted bullshit idiocy ...'> Of all the people
>> in the world, I would have thought Jews would be the VERY LAST to make such judgements on others
>>
>> What hypocritical junk. THAT'S bias. Of course you couldn't figure that
>> one out with a roadmap. But, then you don't read them do you.
>
> Hypocritical? Huh? What the hell are you talking about? You're the one
> babbling about jews and what not, defending critics in movie reviews
> based on the religious and political content in the review without
> having seen a movie, and you call someone a hypocrite for merely
> pointing out how ridiculous you sound?
OK....clearly, I am now living in Bizarro world, or Opposite Day or something....
GDS
"Let's roll!"
Right out of the book. Awful description of it too.
The other
> was Charlize Theron as Mortensen�s hopeless wife, who abandons her husband
> and young son because she says it�s pointless to try to survive.
Very little role for the wife in the book. Kind of a flashback.
> I�d bet this is how the real-life Cuba-apologist Theron would be, so
> there wasn�t much acting involved. Yup, she�s a bitch.
Lost me there. I guess the scene with the dead infant on a spit cooking was
left out. Awful book turned me off to seeing the picture.
i made it rgrough the book so it couldnt have been that bad.
but yeah not alot really happens that would create much of a plat in
the movie.they walk towrads the ocean, meet cannibals, fathers getting
sick, they find bits of food, ocean is toxic.
someone dies...its like life, just kinda goes along.
i like that it wasnt too preachy re the enviroment though, i mean for
all we know a meteor hit and caused the devestation.i like it when
novels dont spend huge amounts of time explaining shit that really
doesnt matter.
its really just about a mans relationship with his son.im sure it was
saying alot subtle, but very subtle cause i didnt notice, then i
really didnt try and notice,didnt dwell on it much
For reals? I know what I'm getting a TON of people for Christmas and
Hanukah then. Thanks for the tip!
--
Dan Winsor
Soy un poco loco en el coco.
I am wondering what they are planning on sending you?
Not to worry, I'm getting good at defusing them before I open 'em.
Why in hell would you think that???
Jews straight know how to hate.
Trav
You starting to understand the Holocaust yet?
Trav
Not to worry, I'm getting good at defusing them before I open 'em.
If the package is ticking, throw it in some water.
Nah, C.I.A. used to hire mercs who used this same setup. Mercury
switches.
Nah.
Do what I do.
Don't buy them anything.
Instead, get their kids a drum set for Christmas.
Works every time!
Or a cute St. Bernard puppy.
--
hz
Let's not go overboard... feast your eyes on this zionist::
http://www.imdb.com/media/rm302749440/nm0864332
If you want to rebuild Auchwitz, I'll volunteer
for guard duty... if this chick's in my cell
block... she deserves special protection...
Sam
She'd freaking henpeck you to death
Trav
Yeah, but as long as she put out, it would be a death worth having! Have to
hold onto my sword though to get to Valhalla.
Let you learn from my wisdom...for every hot chick out there that's
single, there is some guy who's tired of fucking her.
It would not be worth it, trust me. I've had chicks hotter than this
and there just comes a time when you have to punt the bitch.
Trav
She could peck me all she wants...
But is it true, the nag stereotype about jewish
women? Have you ever dated any?
Sam