Natural Agression.
Brian Kholdi
hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
Being a 2nd dan Karate, I sometimes wonder what if I hit the guy
(with braided hair) with all I have and he just couldn't be bothered with
losing his front row teeth?
- Brian
James Hernandez
-> I couldn't agree with you more. I'd hate to fight a guy with braided
-> hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
-> live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
-> Being a 2nd dan Karate, I sometimes wonder what if I hit the guy
-> (with braided hair) with all I have and he just couldn't be bothered with
-> losing his front row teeth?
I'm just curious, but why is the guy's hairstyle so important to you?
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Peter C. Macko
>I couldn't agree with you more. I'd hate to fight a guy with braided
>hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
>live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
What if he was bald? Would that make it easier for you? :)
>Being a 2nd dan Karate, I sometimes wonder what if I hit the guy
>(with braided hair) with all I have and he just couldn't be bothered with
>losing his front row teeth?
Then you hit him again and again until he goes down (and depending on
the circumstances perhaps not even then). After the first strike lands
you don't just stop to admire your handiwork. Instead you take advantage
of the opportunity to inflict even greater damage. If you do break his
teeth which are attached to his jaw then his head is going to whip backwards
and/or upwards leaving him very vulnerable to all sorts of follow-ups. Real
life is no point tournament. And if he truly is a real low-life scum
who threatens to come after you and blow away your family then you do what
you have to do...
-PCM
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Peter C. Macko (ma...@pilot.njin.net)
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Peter C. Macko (ma...@pilot.njin.net)
Craig
: There is one aspect to the martial arts people tend to overlook, and it is
: regretful they do because it explains why some are better fighters while
: others, despite their skill level, cannot fight their way out of a paper bag -
: natural agression.
: As different people have different personalities, they also have different
: levels of agression. Some have extreme levels of natural agression, boxers
: being a classic example (without the "kill" mentality, they simply wouldn't be
: profssional fighters). Others have low levels of agression (think of Ghandi).
: This level of agression, in my opinion, will decide how good a fighter a
: martial artist will be.
Very true. However, organizations like the CIA will train people that have
a problem in this area so that they're superb performers. Same goes with
police academies, armed forces. These organizations do it all the time with
the Ghandis' of the world very sucessfully.
In fact I'd say that everyone has this type of agression inside, it's just a
matter of cultivating it so it can be beneficial to them. And of course
it's great if people have this already and don't have to work at it.
Lastly, if people have problem in this area, they have to be willing to work
very very hard to strengthen this area. Nothing is impossible.
Chris West
> In article <KHOLDI.94A...@beach.csulb.edu>, kho...@csulb.edu (Brian Kholdi) writes:
> |> I couldn't agree with you more. I'd hate to fight a guy with braided
> |> hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
> |> live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
>
> you with, or get some friends or a gun.
>
> |> Being a 2nd dan Karate, I sometimes wonder what if I hit the guy
> |> (with braided hair) with all I have and he just couldn't be bothered with
> |> losing his front row teeth?
you'd be lucky to get this far, assuming your assumptions are correct.
> |> - Brian
>
> --
> Seib Seibl NASA Science Internet
On the other hand, I love to beat up on couch potatoes in suburbia. People
who have everything to live for are such wusses. They especially dont
have guns or friends to help them either.
ctw
All disclaimers apply.
burk...@ccsua.ctstateu.edu
regretful they do because it explains why some are better fighters while
others, despite their skill level, cannot fight their way out of a paper bag -
natural agression.
As different people have different personalities, they also have different
levels of agression. Some have extreme levels of natural agression, boxers
being a classic example (without the "kill" mentality, they simply wouldn't be
profssional fighters). Others have low levels of agression (think of Ghandi).
This level of agression, in my opinion, will decide how good a fighter a
martial artist will be.
It is true! In the "shocking" boxer vs. karateka fight on the first Oriental
World of Self-Defense, in which the boxer "wiped the floor" (to put it mildly)
with the karateka, natural agression obviously played a part. The karateka, a
"point fighter" (in which excessive bodily contact is avoided), lacked the
natural agression of the boxer (in which hitting is the name of the game).
Inevitably, the karateka was doomed to getting his butt kicked.
There is nothing unusual about this situation. On more than one occasion, a
marital artist has found, much to his dismay, that screaming and waving his
arms around wildly, just doesn't work when you're up against some street cat
who (a) has every sort of weapon imaginable, (b) is so tough he (or she!) could
chew nails and spit them out, or (c) is so strung out on dope they won't even
know you're hitting him or her to start with. I know this goes against the
unwritten code of the martial arts, but simply studying them will not make you
a superperson. You will develop physical coordination, you will learn how to
adequately defend yourself, but do not under any circumstances think it will
change your innermost nature.
Michael J. Seibl
|> hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
|> live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
He may only submit long enough for you to let go so he can find something to hit
you with, or get some friends or a gun.
|>
|> Being a 2nd dan Karate, I sometimes wonder what if I hit the guy
|> (with braided hair) with all I have and he just couldn't be bothered with
|> losing his front row teeth?
|>
|> - Brian
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Arthur van der Harg
kho...@csulb.edu (Brian Kholdi) writes:
Well, actually it's quite simple. Every situation has its level of
appropriate violence (and mind you, in practice this is *not* always
what
you would get away with in an American court of law). One thing of
being
an MA is that you should be able to gauge this level in a split second.
After that, you're on auto-pilot. So if the guy still wants you after
you've taken out his front teeth, that's his problem. You continue.
And often it helps to immediately go full-force. If a junk comes up to
you
to rob you and you decide to put up a fight, don't try discouraging him
first. Try to incapacitate him immediately. If possible, on the first
blow.
My motive in martial arts is "I don't want to be hurt". Second is that
I
will also try to prevent others from being hurt. I end the fight as
soon
as possible and use every means that are within the level of violence
to
do so.
Example:
A couple of weeks ago I was at a camping. There were three teenagers,
two
brothers and a 'friend'. The two brothers had a fight, which I tried to
break up. They were kickboxers and I didn't want them to hurt each
other.
Besides, I don't like fights. The 'friend' however kept me from
separating
them. He was a chubby guy, the real stereotype of a bully. Anyway, I
could
have disposed of him, but I had no fight with him. Besides, the
brother's
fight had just about died down. Two minutes later, the chubby guy was
fighting the younger brother, who was much less strong. He threw him to
the ground and was actually choking him. I ordered him to desist, but
he
wouldn't listen. So I used a hair-chin headlock to get him off the boy
and
held him to the ground. This time he did listen :-) The brothers now
converged on me, but I told them to stop and (oh miracle) they did.
They
called me names and all, but I just replied that I was tired from
walking
all day and didn't want to have to look at fights right next to my
tent.
The way I see it, the chubby guy never knew what happened to him. The
two brothers saw their stronger friend be subdued within the second.
They
just didn't know what they were up against. Had they tried, they might
have
hurt me badly unless I had become real nasty (which I would have).
After
all, it doesn't pay to underestimate a kickboxer just because he's
young.
All in all, I had a quiet evening after that :-)
Arthur
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Peter C. Macko
>I couldn't agree with you more. I'd hate to fight a guy with braided
>hair in the middle of a ghetto. Someone who doesn't have much to
>live for can, for the most part, only be defeated using submission moves.
One other thing, would you really let him go if he cried uncle? He's
likely to pull out a gun and blow you away because you "dis'd" him.
The word of a person that doesn't respect himself is worthless. Juvenile
males with adult bodies, fragile egos, no respect for life (either yours
or their own), and have access to guns can be VERY dangerous. I'd sooner
let go the head of a rattle-snake if I had one in my hands. Their bites
are rarely fatal and you've got plenty of time (a day or two) to get to a
hospital even if you are bitten by the more poisonous diamondback variety.
The same can not be said for the thin-skinned gun-toting juveniles that
roam America's ghettoes these days.
The Angelus
(Think about it.) =;]
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William James Moyer
In a situation where you feel your life is being threatened (and where
you feel you could convince a court of it), there's no reason to limit
the lethality of your techniques, if you think superficial damage won't
deter an attacker. Punches to the throat, strikes to the eyes, kicks
to the knees, and so forth will stop an attacker (if you have the skill
to make them connect), regardless of his natural aggression or disregard
for personal safety. If his body can't operate any more, he can't fight
with it.
Three cheers for the "natural aggression" speech.. The desire to
inflict harm can go a long ways towards turning a skilled MA into a
skilled fighter.