finger in the eyes?
Rogerio Fung
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Angel Cruz
>Umm..yeap, I was just curious about that move, whee a guy puts the fingers in the opponents eye...umm..in the movies , that is only supposed to blind the person..well, im not much into anatomy..but..doesnt that goes all the wway to the brain, and kills..?
My guess is that the eye either detaches first, or collapses within
itself since the eyeball is mostly oozing liquid. When a boxer gets
thumbed, the consequence is a detached retina. When I got thumbed,
the consequence was bloodshot eyes and a pretty beat up little
brother... :>)
o
Angel
Adrian Smith
>l41...@alfa.ist.utl.pt (Rogerio Fung) writes:
>o
>Angel
Why would you want to poke someone in the eye?
Ian and Adrian
edb...@ibm.net
In article <3pln9e$g...@davinci.ecs.soton.ac.uk>, <am...@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
writes:
> In <3omctl$2...@hobbes.tessi.com> ac...@hobbes.tessi.com (Angel Cruz) writes:
>
> >l41...@alfa.ist.utl.pt (Rogerio Fung) writes:
>
> >>Umm..yeap, I was just curious about that move, whee a guy puts the fingers
in the opponents eye...umm..in the movies , that is only supposed to blind the
person..well, im not much into anatomy..but..doesnt that goes all the wway to
the brain, and kills..?
>
> >My guess is that the eye either detaches first, or collapses within
> >itself since the eyeball is mostly oozing liquid. When a boxer gets
> >thumbed, the consequence is a detached retina.
>
> Why would you want to poke someone in the eye?
>
> Ian and Adrian
Why would you want to kick, punch, strangle, or joint lock someone?
Answer: Only a psychopath wants to; sometimes though, one has to.
EDB
ActionVrb2
I've heard [and don't laugh if this is completely stupid since I'm not a
physician or forensic specialist -- I'm just relating something I heard]
that if done correctly, it is possible to stick the fingers inside the eye
sockets (between the eyeball and the skull) of an opponent and pull the
eyeballs out from behind. Unless the optical nerve is damaged, it is
possible to "pop" the eyeballs back in after this has been done with no
permanent damage to the opponent's eyesight but, needless to say, the
surprise (and pain) of having the eyeballs outside their sockets would be
enough to incapacitate any but the most indestructible of opponents.
--Steve
ANTHONY FRANCIS PRESTON
are muscles on the sides. Assuming you did not damage the optic nerve, you
would as a minimum tear all the muscles `popping' the eye out and severly
damage the ability to see since the eye must move to see(the eye moves side t
side as part of the basic sight mechinism). Also, the optic nerve
is rather fragile compared to the muscles, if you generated enough force to
tear the muscles, I would expect the nerve damage to render the person blind.
ActionVrb2
>>I think alot more kids would pull their eyes out of socket to gross
people
>>out of it was so easy to do so.
I'm not saying that you're wrong (you're probably right), but "easy to
do" and "possible" are two different things. I saw a guy on David
Letterman snort milk up his nose and squirt it out his tear ducts. Given
the fact that most kids have access to milk at the age when they like to
gross people out it should be common to see kinds gleeking milk out their
eye sockets according to the above logic, but to date I've only witnessed
this one instance of elactulation :)
--Steve
PUBLIC CMC USER 5
vitreous fluids followed by decompression. There would be tearing of the
sclera, choroid,etc., retinal detachment, and possible damage to the
optic nerve (cranial nerve #2). It would probably be very difficult to
completely "scoop" out the entire globe, especially in a resisting
victim. The guy would have to be next to comatose to let anyone
attempt such a "procedure."
PUBLIC CMC USER 5
attachments of the lateral, medial, inferior, and superior rectus
muscles, the superior oblique muscles and all the connective tissue
"gluing" the globe within the socket. But, a nice solid punch or elbow
to the cheek bone just inferior and lateral to the lateral canthus
(corner of the eye) can cause lots of problems. Such problems include
Tripod fractures, Blowout fractures where the inferior and lateral bony
walls of the orbit are shattered, sometimes with herniation of the
orbital contents into the maxillary sinus or rarely optic nerve
entrapment. It's not as gory as enucleating an eyeball, but you'll stop
your opponent and give him a free pass to the operating room.
Tom Valesky (CS 555)
: I've heard [and don't laugh if this is completely stupid since I'm not a
: physician or forensic specialist -- I'm just relating something I heard]
: that if done correctly, it is possible to stick the fingers inside the eye
: sockets (between the eyeball and the skull) of an opponent and pull the
: eyeballs out from behind.
I picked this one up from my Catholic Dogma teacher back in high school
(he was from South Philly). The way he said to do it is as follows:
(assuming you're gouging with your right thumb) Take your right thumb
and gouge it into your opponent's left eye socket, underneath the eye
and toward the outside. Drive it straight in up to the knuckle, then
hook your thumb in toward the bridge of your opponent's nose, causing
the eyeball to pop free. To date, I haven't had occasion to use this,
but it sounds plausible enough.
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MAServ
is nearly impossible to dislodge the eyeball from its socket. Many people
claim they can rip a person's eyeball out of its socket, but this is not
so. The bones of the skull that surround the eye ball prevent the eye
ball from becoming dislodged. If however, and I have heard this. That if
the bone(s?) surrounding the eye, I believe it's the cheek bone, is
severely broken or crushed, then the eyeball MIGHT be dislodged. Another
thing that might happen is that the eye ball may collapse if it is
punctured making it look like that eye ball is no longer in the socket. I
do not know how easy it is for a person with a glass eye or something to
pull their "eye" out and put it back in. The opitcal nerve is very
strong, too. Making it very difficult to pull the eye out if you could.
your leg!!!
Martin
ActionVrb2
I'd just like to clear something up -- what I mentioned in my original
post in this thread was not taught to me by any instructor. It was just
something that came up in idle chat with someone else of equal rank when I
was a few belts of lower rank myself. I don't want anyone to get the
impression that my instructor is going around telling us we can pop
people's eyeballs out at will or any such nonsense.
--Steve
Chris von Seggern
The reason kids don't pull their eyes out of their sockets, smart guy, is
because it's extremely painful! The eye is attached to the inside of its
socket by the set of muscles that rotate it, as well as the optic nerve,
and also must be deformed a bit to squeeze it out of the socket. Once it
comes out, it's not going back in very easily, and even if some function
is regained, the eye will never again function like it did before being
ousted.
That said, it's fairly easy to remove someone *else's* eye from the
socket. A favored method of settling disputes between men in the
American South from before the Revolution into the antebellum period was
otherwise known as "gouging:" no-holds-barred fistfights in which a
primary goal was to take an opponent's eye, as well as biting off
whatever facial features came within reach, castration, etc. Mike Fink
and Daniel Boone, among others, were champion gougers. References are
available upon request--email, please.
Chris
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