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Ken Paris

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Jun 9, 1994, 7:54:52 PM6/9/94
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Hi,

after many years of Kempo, Kenpo, and Shorin-Ryu,
I decided to start up some traditional Kung-Fu and
enrolled myself at the Tat Wong Kung-Fu acadamey
studying Choy Li Fut.

are there any choy li fut types out there ?
any comments ?

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ANT 38

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Aug 21, 1994, 4:37:01 PM8/21/94
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In article <parisCr...@netcom.com>, pa...@netcom.com (Ken Paris)
writes:

I have been studying Choy Li Fut for about 4 months under Sifu R.J.
Williams in
Oklahoma City , OK. He is a disciple of Doc Fai Wong. I think it is a very
good and pratical system.

Bill Boora

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Aug 21, 1994, 7:09:35 PM8/21/94
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an...@aol.com (ANT 38) writes:

Hi. I have also been studying Choy Lee Fat. Only for three months though.
It is the Northern Chinese Style. My Sifu is Hahn Lee, in Richmond
British Columbia, Canada.

My sifu studied under Lee Gin Sam for over 15 years.
After this, he journeyed throughout the Orient. Whle in Malaysia
and Thailand he studied stick fighting (Arnis and Kendo) and Thai boxing
for 7 years. Sifu Hon Lee competed in Thai boxing and
attained the rank of 7th in the world. He has competed and
demonstrated in Kung Fu in both the Orient and North America.

Sifu Hon Lee began teaching in Canada 16 years ago, during this time he
has taught traditional Kung Fu and Kickboxing. He is one of the board
of directors for the Western Canada Chinese Martial Arts Association.


Bill
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Craig

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Aug 23, 1994, 6:22:49 PM8/23/94
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Richard Walker (wal...@starbase.neosoft.com) wrote:

: I tend to feel that things work out better if we all use the same romanization
: of Choy Li Fut. "Lee" works out the same, but when Joe Average Anglo sees
: "Fat" the sound he thinks rhymes with "cat". Anyway, just my particular
: grumpy opinion...

I've also heard of these spellings, which I assume all refer to the same
art:

Choy Li Fut
Choy Lee Fut
Choy Lay Fut

I guess maybe it depends upon the particular Chinese province as to how one
would pronounce the same name? Thanks in advance for any insight into this.

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Richard Walker

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Aug 24, 1994, 12:30:37 AM8/24/94
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: It is good to hear from Choy Li Fut practitioners. I'm wondering what style of
: Choy Li Fut do you practice. I trained under Vince Lacey who teaches the Bak Sing
: style. Sifu Lacey has a school in Newark, CA (that's in the San Francisco Bay Area).
: He was trained in HongKong and then migrated to Australia with his twin brother who
: is still, as far as I know, teaching the art.Sifu Lacey had a lot of
: stories to tell about the rivalry of WingChun and ChoyLiFut practitioners when he
: was growing up in HongKong.

Well, I dunno really about "rivalry"; they are very different styles, but
I'll tell you this, the best sparring happens IMHO when a Wing Chun guy and
a Choy Li Fut guy practice together. From a Choy Li Fut perspective, the
hardest thing to me seems to be breaking up a chain punch and opening the WC
guys center up or moving his hands off center to open the lower ribs on the
opposite side. The WC guys seem to have the hardest time closing the distance
when CLF guy is staying low and covering a lot of distance with du ma.

I tend to be pretty dumb when it comes to names, I can tell you that our
style of CLF has very little of the Northern high kicking, but it is there
and is in the second form; which when I play analyst it feels to me like
the Northern high kicks were added into a set of moves that was already
being used. Our SiGong occassionally visits to see how we are doing, and
I know that his purpose in learning CLF was for full contact fighting. Of
course its amazing to watch this old guy bounce all over the room doing his
stuff as well as showing us how to extract bits and pieces of stuff from the
form for fighting. And he always has something to say to me as I'm working
out offensive combinations in sparring or on the bag, usually I'm doing
something wrong, and I think it hurts his head to watch! <grin>.

: I hope more ChoyLiFut students will come out from the closet. That sounds bad but
: good kwa sau can easily cure that.

Well, we don't exactly practice the most elegant looking martial art style,
and I'm always getting funky comments about bruised bodyparts from my
spousal unit....

Aaron Chu

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Aug 24, 1994, 1:19:42 PM8/24/94
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New Dave (exu...@exu.ericsson.se) wrote >
> I think disciple is a good term to denote lineage. A disciple of Choy Li
> Fut is not a disciple of Li Gar or Choy Gar. Just like a disciple of Hung
> Fut or Fu Jau is not a disciple of Hung Gar, though there are simularities.
> All of these schools of disciplines and Wing Chun plus many others share a
> common heritage, and though it is hard to say (but I would like to here) is
> that they are all Fut Gar. (aka Shaolin)

Is the name really the problem? Choy Lay Fut, that's how I call it in ENGLISH.
"Choy Kuen, Lay Ma, Fut Ka Cheung" is what the style names stands for in
Cantonese.

Choy Kuen = Fist technique from a monk call Choy Fook.
Lay Ma = Horse Stance form a guy named Lee Yau Shan.
Fut Ka Cheung = The Buddha plams from a monk name Ching Cho (Green Grass)

Now, a big bow to Chan Heung from me for such a wonderful style. BTW, Fut Gar
is not same as Shaolin really. TV and Films are to blame.

Kung Fu is changing all the time. Different people have different
interpretation of it. How do you verify your style or teacher is giving you
the 'real MacCoy'? Do you believe what you are learning from your Sifu or
Master are "Original" without adding his or her interpretation? There are
a lot people practice Tai Chi, Siu Nim Tau, Five Wheels Fists or Gung Gee
Fook Fu Kuen. Sometime you can spotted the difference in the movement
or the posture in the fist form. In some cases, you can even have a guess
who is their master. Is it a bad thing? or is it a good thing? It is
subject to debate.

New Dave >
> From what I've seen of C_L_F, it is mostly southern Shaolin with a
> northern mix.

Excuse me, What is Southern Shaolin? and What is Northern Shaolin?
Dave, Could you provide me some examples to explain your statement
please? I am very keen to learn more things that I didn't know before.
I don't know what North and South Shaolin is.

Richard Walker (wal...@starbase.neosoft.com) ->
-> I tend to feel that things work out better if we all use the same
-> romanization of Choy Li Fut.

How about using a Three Letters Acronym (TLA) for it?
CLF sounds cool to me? :)

Richard Walker ->
-> I think Choy Li Fut is getting more popular, slowly though. It doesn't
-> have Wing Chun's curse/blessing in regards to personal politics because of
-> the number of people that were taught it to start with.

How can we live without politics? Chinese loves politics too. :) There are
three different streams in CLF. They are: Hung Shing (Bird Stream),
Hung Shing (Hero Stream), Pak Shing (North Stream). It really depends on
who you are training with. There are lot of variations in the fist forms
between these steams but the theory and the basic technique of CLF are the
same. I'd better not getting in the debate of which one the real and
original CLF. I am not interested.

Richard Walker ->
-> I also tend to feel it is somewhat at a disadvantage because of the
-> lack of full contact tournaments that are scored like boxing instead
-> of "point & break" which I don't feel the style is well adapted for.
-> (IMHO of course...)

Why are you study Choy Lay Fut? What do you want to use it for?
I think you have got the answer of that one.
Are you going into the ring? I think you are better off with some Thai Boxing
training. Street Fight? I don't know about that, anything can happen in the
street. Keep Fit? I would buy an aerobics video by Cher instead. :)
(IMHO too)

New Dave >
> I don't see how these types of martial arts could ever adapt to the
> stylized tournaments. They never were designed for that.

No style is a kind of style. Party on, dude. Don't take up the style baggage
with you man. What is Martial Art design for? Hmm... That's seems to be
the question...

"Before I am going to have a fight with you, I would like to let you know
I practice CLF for 10 years, Wing Chun 4 years, Hung Gar 6 years. I also
held a black belt in TKD and Karate. Now you can give me a punch.....
not that high" :) Don't laugh at it, someone actually said something like
this to me before we had fight.

Richard Walker ->
-> Anyway, we need to get a little momentum going here; I can only handle
-> reading about Bil Gee and crescent kicks for so long!!! Maybe we can
-> start a thread about neat things to pound forarms with... Or maybe,
-> how many Sau Choi's can one throw full force and have blocked before your
-> forearm turns purple, blue and green!??!?!?! [smileys!]

Ouch, if that's how you apply Sau Tsui (A Curve Swing punch), you might
have a broken arm or a dislocated joints soon. Sau Tsui is kind of "surprise"
technique. Although this technique is empowered by the circular motion, it
also expose a large area of your upper body to the opponent. There are a
number of variations in Sau Tsui technique. It really takes a long time
and plenty of hard work to master it.

New Dave wrote >
> Like two humans pounding their forearms together constantly.
> A waste of life? Or not?
> nd!

Yes it does, doesn't it?

During a trainning session in a temple, an old master said to his
young student, "Little Cricket, the ultimate weapon in our gung fu
is using our brain. Please remeber."
The next day the old master nearly laugh to his death when he saw
Little Cricket had bruised all over his head.

Thanks for listening to my whining.

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Aaron Chu

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Aug 24, 1994, 1:30:31 PM8/24/94
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ANT 38 (an...@aol.com) wrote:
: I would like to know if any of my Choy Li Fut brothers have had any
: success in using Choy Li Fut in point sparring. I know the style isn't
: geared toward such a thing but I was curious if someone had made a
: adaptation or adjustment for success.

Hello brother,

Point sparring? Do you mean the short range usage of CLF? Have you done
some training on the elbow and Knee techniques in CLF? Using your elbow
or knee cut down the distance between your enemy by half at the same
you should also tighten up your defence. I share the same opinion
with you, may be there are some other senior brothers out there who
can add more on to this.

Aaron Chu

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Aug 24, 1994, 1:46:56 PM8/24/94
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Hi Rey,

R...@ngc.com wrote:

: He was trained in HongKong and then migrated to Australia with his twin
: brother who is still, as far as I know, teaching the art.Sifu Lacey had
: a lot of stories to tell about the rivalry of WingChun and ChoyLiFut
: practitioners when he was growing up in HongKong.

Well better not tell some of these stories, it might get certain people
upset.

: I hope more ChoyLiFut students will come out from the closet.
: That sounds bad but good kwa sau can easily cure that.

Yes, I like that. "Tseun, Chum, Kwa, Sau, Chap, X X Dong Lap Sap."
This is the rhyme getting a lot of upset in the past. What it means was
"With 5 wheels fists, X X can be treated as rubbish."

: May the force of Chan Heung be with you.

No, he is not a Jedi from Star War! He came from Sun Wui in Canton. :)

Richard Walker

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Aug 24, 1994, 5:46:39 PM8/24/94
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Aaron Chu (ch...@westminster.ac.uk) wrote:
: Is the name really the problem? Choy Lay Fut, that's how I call it in ENGLISH.

: "Choy Kuen, Lay Ma, Fut Ka Cheung" is what the style names stands for in
: Cantonese.

Oh, no, its not a problem, other than when I type /Choy on my newsreader
I like to feel confident I've given the area a good scan..

: Now, a big bow to Chan Heung from me for such a wonderful style. BTW, Fut Gar


: is not same as Shaolin really. TV and Films are to blame.

Why all this emphasis on "shaolin", as if everything is Shaolin..

: Kung Fu is changing all the time. Different people have different

: interpretation of it. How do you verify your style or teacher is giving you
: the 'real MacCoy'? Do you believe what you are learning from your Sifu or
: Master are "Original" without adding his or her interpretation? There are

I don't see much problem if it does have added interpretation, its not like
CLF is a millinium old style that I'm learning for the sake of historic
analysis.

: Excuse me, What is Southern Shaolin? and What is Northern Shaolin?

: Dave, Could you provide me some examples to explain your statement
: please? I am very keen to learn more things that I didn't know before.
: I don't know what North and South Shaolin is.

I'd never heard of a Southern Shaolin either. Just cause something is
wushu doesn't mean its Shaolin!!!

: Richard Walker (wal...@starbase.neosoft.com) ->


: -> I tend to feel that things work out better if we all use the same
: -> romanization of Choy Li Fut.
: How about using a Three Letters Acronym (TLA) for it?
: CLF sounds cool to me? :)

That ought to work out pretty well..

: Richard Walker ->


: -> I think Choy Li Fut is getting more popular, slowly though. It doesn't
: -> have Wing Chun's curse/blessing in regards to personal politics because of
: -> the number of people that were taught it to start with.

: How can we live without politics? Chinese loves politics too. :) There are

My wife is Chinese. Believe me, I didn't mean to imply that Chinese folks
didn't love politics as well as anyone else. My father in law is always
talking about politics or medicine (he's a surgeon). Not sure which I
prefer, discussing the latest health care socialization program or how
dangerous my hunting and backpacking/climbing hobbies are. Dinner
conversation is always soooooo interesting.

: three different streams in CLF. They are: Hung Shing (Bird Stream),

: Hung Shing (Hero Stream), Pak Shing (North Stream). It really depends on
: who you are training with. There are lot of variations in the fist forms
: between these steams but the theory and the basic technique of CLF are the
: same. I'd better not getting in the debate of which one the real and
: original CLF. I am not interested.

Whats "real"??? The styles I have seen so far that perport to be CLF all
*look* like CLF to me. I'm sure every teacher is going to emphasize the
parts that they like best. My sifu tends to be of the school of learning
a few techniques, practicing them in sparring until you have them down 100%
and only then adding another one or two pieces. I didn't like this to start
with, but I appreciate it now as some of the basic pieces I have up to the
100% level and now my speed of execution and selection of techniques during
full contact sparring are rapidly improving. And my awareness of distance
between me and my opponent is very much improved and gaining confidence.

: Richard Walker ->


: -> I also tend to feel it is somewhat at a disadvantage because of the
: -> lack of full contact tournaments that are scored like boxing instead
: -> of "point & break" which I don't feel the style is well adapted for.

: Why are you study Choy Lay Fut? What do you want to use it for?


: I think you have got the answer of that one.
: Are you going into the ring? I think you are better off with some Thai Boxing
: training. Street Fight? I don't know about that, anything can happen in the
: street. Keep Fit? I would buy an aerobics video by Cher instead. :)

Why do any martial art. Why study or practice any activity? From my
exposure to various styles, CLF seems to match both my physique and my
personality. It also seems to best emphasize the natural speed and
effectiveness of my right jab (which is my best asset). I've also considered
Thai Boxing, and there are some down here, in fact one of my classmates is
a Thai boxer, as well as a few European style boxers who train with us as well.
I don't think I'd ever be interested in fighting professionally, as I'm
too old to start (almost 30), and I wasn't big enough as a kid to be at all
credible. (I'm 60" 200# now..). As to street fights, I don't consider such
an occassion to be likely enough to even worry about, I don't do the bar
scene and I'm careful about where I go at night. If its to keep fit, it
certainly is an expensive way of doing so!!! I think it sorta falls into
that category of being prepared for war; I spend plenty of time on the
range with both rifle and pistol, I practice some basic fencing, and I do
CLF. Do I ever expect to have another human being in my rifle sites? No.
Do I ever expect to thrust/lunge a blade into someone? No. Am I prepared
to do either if situation and disaster scheme together to require it? Yes.
Maybe some think this is silly, maybe others think it a candidate for
misc.survivalism.wacko but if the soviet union can self destruct, and other
basically civilized nations fall into civil war; I'm not about to have
blind faith that it can't happen here. I honestly do NOT expect it to, and
feel it is highly unlikely; on the other hand, the posibility does exist,
and the ramifications of such a disaster justify at least being capable of
action.

And on the up side, doing all this good stuff goes a long ways toward
keeping myself fit and active, and provides an additional set of friends
to associate with.

: > I don't see how these types of martial arts could ever adapt to the


: > stylized tournaments. They never were designed for that.

: No style is a kind of style. Party on, dude. Don't take up the style baggage
: with you man. What is Martial Art design for? Hmm... That's seems to be
: the question...

In its basic essense, martial art, wushu, is designed for waging war. It
is designed for attacking an enemy while defending against the enemies
counter attacks. I do believe that I am correct in thinking that CLF is
not well designed for point and break tournaments, I also am of the opinion
that no fight ever occurs that resembles a point and break match.

: "Before I am going to have a fight with you, I would like to let you know


: I practice CLF for 10 years, Wing Chun 4 years, Hung Gar 6 years. I also
: held a black belt in TKD and Karate. Now you can give me a punch.....
: not that high" :) Don't laugh at it, someone actually said something like
: this to me before we had fight.

Seems to me if the guy spent even 1 year in CLF, a high punch would not be
all that wierd. I know I've had my lips and nose hit enough times, especially
when I get to lazy and don't "du ma" and "chun" effectively.

: Richard Walker ->


: -> Anyway, we need to get a little momentum going here; I can only handle
: -> reading about Bil Gee and crescent kicks for so long!!! Maybe we can
: -> start a thread about neat things to pound forarms with... Or maybe,
: -> how many Sau Choi's can one throw full force and have blocked before your
: -> forearm turns purple, blue and green!??!?!?! [smileys!]

: Ouch, if that's how you apply Sau Tsui (A Curve Swing punch), you might
: have a broken arm or a dislocated joints soon. Sau Tsui is kind of "surprise"
: technique. Although this technique is empowered by the circular motion, it
: also expose a large area of your upper body to the opponent. There are a
: number of variations in Sau Tsui technique. It really takes a long time
: and plenty of hard work to master it.

Yes, I know Sau Tsui (I like your spelling better) is a surprise attack or
an attack useful after a good jab to the head if you stun your opponent. I
actually don't bruise along my forearms anymore, and I've been doing that for
well over a year. We also do (when the beginners leave) a drill which I've
forgotten the name for where two stand face to face and bang forearms together
striking down up down up down up(SWAPPED), etc...

: During a trainning session in a temple, an old master said to his

: young student, "Little Cricket, the ultimate weapon in our gung fu
: is using our brain. Please remeber."
: The next day the old master nearly laugh to his death when he saw
: Little Cricket had bruised all over his head.

Head butts rule!!

Aaron Chu

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Richard Walker (wal...@starbase.neosoft.com) wrote:

: Why all this emphasis on "shaolin", as if everything is Shaolin..

Absolutely. It is a kind of funny phenomenon in Chinese Kung Fu. Not to
mention The East, South, West and North Shaolin style. :)

"You got a PC?"
"You must be using Microsoft Windows then."

: I don't see much problem if it does have added interpretation, its not like


: CLF is a millinium old style that I'm learning for the sake of historic
: analysis.

Only truth will held all the time. As I said early, do not pick up the
Style baggage with you. I share the same opinion with you Richard, we are
not learning for the sake of historic analysis of CLF. However, the problem
with CLF is not having a general and systematic teaching approach. As I stated
in an earlier article, three different streams has their own way of training,
within the steam, different Sifus have a different view on the training too.
I am glad to hear that there is going to be a CLF association formed in
Fut Shan, Canton in China. I sincerely hope that the organisers can get their
act together and promote CLF in a better way.

: : Excuse me, What is Southern Shaolin? and What is Northern Shaolin?

: : Dave, Could you provide me some examples to explain your statement
: : please? I am very keen to learn more things that I didn't know before.
: : I don't know what North and South Shaolin is.

: I'd never heard of a Southern Shaolin either. Just cause something is
: wushu doesn't mean its Shaolin!!!

Need I say anymore? :)

: : Richard Walker ->


: : -> I think Choy Li Fut is getting more popular, slowly though.

: : -> It doesn't have Wing Chun's curse/blessing in regards to personal
: : -> politics because of the number of people that were taught it to
: : -> start with.

: : How can we live without politics? Chinese loves politics too. :)

: My wife is Chinese. Believe me, I didn't mean to imply that Chinese folks


: didn't love politics as well as anyone else.

Chill out Rick, I am just being sarcastic to my statment really.
NB: There is a simley at the end! :)

: My father in law is always talking about politics or medicine

: (he's a surgeon). Not sure which I prefer, discussing the latest health
: care socialization program or how dangerous my hunting and
: backpacking/climbing hobbies are. Dinner conversation is always
: soooooo interesting.

You have my complete sympathy. At least you have some to talk/agrue about
over the dinner table. That can't be a bad thing.

: : I'd better not getting in the debate of which one the real and

: : original CLF. I am not interested.

: Whats "real"???

Hmm... I am not getting in there.

: Now my speed of execution and selection of techniques during


: full contact sparring are rapidly improving. And my awareness of distance
: between me and my opponent is very much improved and gaining confidence.

I am so please to hear some one is enjoying CLF training. When I was in Hong
Kong early this year, I saw a group of young children practicing CLF. They
are very keen to learn and practice very hard. I am really moved by their
attitude.

: : Why are you study Choy Lay Fut? What do you want to use it for?


: : I think you have got the answer of that one.

---8<
: Maybe some think this is silly, maybe others think it a candidate for
: misc.survivalism.wacko .....
---8<
: And on the up side, doing all this good stuff goes a long ways toward

: keeping myself fit and active, and provides an additional set of friends
: to associate with.

Oh, I learn CLF because I can beat the other kids up at school. :)

: In its basic essense, martial art, wushu, is designed for waging war. It


: is designed for attacking an enemy while defending against the enemies
: counter attacks. I do believe that I am correct in thinking that CLF is
: not well designed for point and break tournaments, I also am of the opinion
: that no fight ever occurs that resembles a point and break match.

Well said, Richard.

: Seems to me if the guy spent even 1 year in CLF, a high punch would not be


: all that wierd. I know I've had my lips and nose hit enough times,
: especially when I get to lazy and don't "du ma" and "chun" effectively.

Don't we all love "du ma", "chun" and then follow by a "Chap Tsui"?

"Du ma" is one of the five wheel horse stances in CLF.
"Chun" is a kind of blocking with a bit of nasty suprise follows...
"Chap Tsui"="Ouch" depends where it hits. If it hit certain area in the human
body, the enemy can produce a high pitch "Ouch". :)

: Yes, I know Sau Tsui (I like your spelling better) is a surprise attack or


: an attack useful after a good jab to the head if you stun your opponent. I
: actually don't bruise along my forearms anymore, and I've been doing that
: for well over a year. We also do (when the beginners leave) a drill which
: I've forgotten the name for where two stand face to face and bang forearms
: together striking down up down up down up(SWAPPED), etc...

You guys do that drill too? I find it very boring at the beginning but it
really give you a good idea what happens if you DID not use the technique
correctly.

It's nice to talking to you Richard.

See you around,

R...@ngc.com

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Aug 25, 1994, 3:49:37 PM8/25/94
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Hi Aaron,
I think most martial artists are experienced enough to know that it is the
artist, his skill and good luck that usually win the fight -- not the art.
But anyway, let me share a CLF Wins story and perhaps, in the near future,
I can do a Wing Chun Wins story.

The following is an excerpt from the private papers of Sifu Vince Lacey.

Our Master Kong Hing -- A Great Martial Artist
Copyright -- Vince Lacey

The following incident is about a historical "GONG SAU" match between
our Sifu Kong Hing and Wing Chun's Cheun Kwun in 1961. The reason for
wanting to republish this is not to create discontent between the two
styles, but to arouse the interest and enthusiasm among the new generation
of martial artists. The match between Chan Huk Fu of Bark Hok (White Crane)
and Ng GUNG YEE of Tai Chi in Macau 30 years ago is well known, but the
exciting match between our Master, Kong Hing, and Leung Cheung Kwon 20 years
ago had not received the publicity it deserves.

My brother David and I were there to witness the fight. It took place
one afternoon on the rooftop of an apartment in Mody Rd,Tsim Sha Tsui.

The following article concerning that match is an abstract from the local
newspaper report after the fight. It reads as follows- (1961)

Choy Lay Fut - Kong Hing
Wing Chun - Leung Cheung Kwon, Fought Yesterday.
----------------------------------------------------------

The fight was held at 4 pm on top of a flat in the city.

Kong Hing is the son of one of the top members in Choy Lay Fut - Kong On - who
was one of the top disciples of Tarm Sarm. He specialises in the training of
Cum, Na, Gwa, Tau Lau Charp and Charn Jeung when he was a child. He is now
23 years old, 5 ft 6 ins and weighs 120 lbs.

His opponent, Leung Cheung Kwon is 24 years of age 5ft 5ins and weighs 110 lbs.
He is one of the disciples of Chui Wan. (Not much data here. I think it
shows my Sifu's bias.)

The reason for this fight is because there was a rumour recently that
Pang Kum Fut of Wing Chun defeated Kong Hing. (He was also known as
Henry Pang who is a close friend of Bruce Lee and the twins - David and
Vince Lacey). But in fact, it was not Kong Hing, but Kong Cheung Hok.
In addition, Choy Lay Fut denied that Kong Cheung Hok was one of their
members. This rumour angered Kong Hing and made him anxious to challenge
Pang Kum Fut. However, Pang Kum Fut was very busy recently and his fellow
member, Chui Wan recommended Leung to fight -- so as to gain some
practical experience. The other members of Wing Chun were not quite
happy with the idea because they reckoned Leung is not proficient
enough. But with the approval of Sifu Chui Wan, the arrangement was made.

The arrangement is 3 rounds of 2 mins and one minute break. The referee
is Lui Chi Keun - a popular member of Shaolin (Siu Lum).

1st Round
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When the first round started, Kong Hing started to attack with long
punches and big steps. His punches were so intensed and fast that it
gained him a favourable position. In spite of this, Leung was able to
avoid all his blows. However when 40 seconds had passed, Leung showed
sign of weakness and instantaneously he received 2 to 3 punches to his
face -- all on the same spot.

Bearing the pain, Leung then delivered a punch which hit Kong Hing on
the forehead. Though the spot was vital, the force was not powerful
enough to cause serious injury. After that violent encounter, both
contestants observed each other's movements. By this time the 1st round
ended.

2nd Round
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Leung advanced vigorously with fast punches and for a moment Kong Hing
found it difficult to avoid and was forced out of the ring. The referee
whistled to break and Kong Hing re-entered the ring. He started to attack
and for a moment there were punches and blocks exchanged. They both attack
with kicks but Kong Hing executed more kicks. Leung used some of his kicks
to jam and dissolve that of his opponent's. As a result Leung got kicked
in his ankle and then got a few more punches to his head. Leung then made
the sign to "Give In".

Finally, according to the opinion of the authorities, Leung, although he
was well built, was still not proficient enough. On the other hand, Kong Hing
was well experienced and confident.

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This account of the fight does not really give me an idea of the
proficiency of the fighters. Too bad no videos or movies taken of the
fight. I chose this story as an example of how the different martials arts
attempted to make their respective arts the "best" martial art in Hong Kong.

Rey

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