Jean Claude Van Damme's style?
cha...@futures.wharton.upenn.edu
: Actually He is a 1st Dan in Shotokan Karate.
Really? That's cool to know.
But can someone tell me why his jump spinning wheel kicks look so weird?
He gets some nice height but BOTH legs are fully extended.
Btw, Van Damme has some really quick legs. I saw him throw a hook kick
during an interview and it was very quick. Looked pretty good.
Laugh all you want. I like Van Damme movies. :)
Raymond Tang
<cha...@futures.wharton.upenn.edu> wrote:
>Diamond Jim (sni...@delphi.com) wrote:
>: Actually He is a 1st Dan in Shotokan Karate.
>Really? That's cool to know.
>But can someone tell me why his jump spinning wheel kicks look so weird?
>He gets some nice height but BOTH legs are fully extended.
So maybe that's why.
>Btw, Van Damme has some really quick legs. I saw him throw a hook kick
>during an interview and it was very quick. Looked pretty good.
Well, as far as I'm concerned. VanDamme is a good martial artist
(let me qualify that) as good as any typical martial artist who
achieved dan ranking in a martial arts. He is neither as good as
the movies shows him to be nor as bad as anti-vandamme people protrays
him. It just seems that its a certanly that when a lot of hype is
surrounding an individual people will want to bring him down.
VanDamme if anything else certainly has achieved some level of
sucess in the entertainment industry. What does it really
matter if he is or is not the best martial artist in the world.
Who give a shit anyways.
RT
Sean J. Diamond
Could anyone tell me what style(s) of MA Jean Claude Van Damme does
Benjamin W Strackany
I guess he used to take ballet for a few years, maybe several. BTW, I
was under the impression that he was also involved in kickboxing for
a time. Not sure if that's true, though.
Benjamin W Strackany
Northwestern University, Evanston, IL. USA
b-str...@nwu.edu
Michael L. Weishaar
> >From: Diamond Jim <sni...@delphi.com>
> >Subject: Re: Jean Claude Van Damme's style?
> >Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:35:29 -0500
>
> >Actually He is a 1st Dan in Shotokan Karate.
>
> Sheesh, if this is true I'm gonna jump into Gracie JJ.
Jean Clod is a 10th degree master of Cheesy-Ryu. He certainly didn't
found the style, but he currently holds the highest rank in it. And
I do mean rank. PU.
Samhain
Strackany) wrote:
I read an article which stated that the country he was from listed all
ma's as kickboxers, to a certain extent. Hence, being a karateka, he was
known as a kickboxer.
Konstantin D. Kostov
twice the title of Mr. Belgium in middle weight bodybuilding. I am not
sure which years though.
QUARK
>From: Diamond Jim <sni...@delphi.com>
>Subject: Re: Jean Claude Van Damme's style?
>Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 16:35:29 -0500
>Actually He is a 1st Dan in Shotokan Karate.
Whaa? Where did you get this tidbit of information?
Diamond Jim
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'I've heard this too. But shotokan is NOT what he does in the movies!!
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>
>
>Could anyone tell me what style(s) of MA Jean Claude Van Damme does
Van Damme combines weight training, ballet and some knowledge of karate
forms in his movies. In essence, he looks good- my money would be on Segal and
Norris if it ever came to blows. Segal, then Norris.
Mr. Harker
Diamond Jim
>Whaa? Where did you get this tidbit of information?
>Sheesh, if this is true I'm gonna jump into Gracie JJ.
like appearances) at karate schools. Also he did take dance lessons.
Diamond Jim
Champion. Just Pre-somebody hype.
Achim Koch
> forms in his movies. In essence, he looks good- my money would be on Segal
> and Norris if it ever came to blows. Segal, then Norris.
I have seen Chuck Norris live in Dortmund/Germany at the Budo-Gala'92.
He might have been a good fighter (I've never seen a fight so I can't tell),
but the great "show" I was expecting from him was absolutely boring. In Fact
it was nothing that you can't see at the Dojo next door. Maybe he just wasn't
in the mood, maybe 13.000 spectators are not enough to bring him out. But
maybe he is just not that young anymore. I was very disappointed.
I don't say this to make him look bad, I've heard he was Karate-Champion
and I respect this. But he is just a human, he is getting older like you and
I do. And when you have just have seen films you can't judge someone's
fighting ability's. (By the way I don't give a fuck who is the best fighter)
All those actors are excellent acrobats and MA's but they are no
Supermen/women or killing-machines.
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> forms in his movies. In essence, he looks good- my money would be on Segal and
> Norris if it ever came to blows. Segal, then Norris.
>
> Mr. Harker
Yes, but it's usually easier to talk your girlfriend to go see a Van Damme
movie.
And I say Norris, then Segal--Norris big thing right now is GJJ style
with the Machados.
What is that a flame coming? ;-)
Tim Williams
on the street. That split looks good in the movies but I question it's effectivenes in a closing range street fight.
Samhain
> Also there isn't a shred of proof for his claim to have been a Kickboxing
> Champion. Just Pre-somebody hype.
I think a magazine pointed out that in the country he comes from karate
is considered kickboxing. They stated that he placed in a karate tourney,
therefore, making him a kickboxing champion. Yeah, whatever.
Samhain
Sean Breeden
: Van Damme is nothing but a hollywood pretty boy who'd get his butt kick
: on the street. That split looks good in the movies but I question it's effectivenes in a closing range street fight.
I can't believe that a martial artist is actually questioning the practicality
of the split...
Flexibility is very important in preventing injury while kicking. If you
can't do it, there's no reason for you to down Van Damme becuase he can...
Marc Reid (cis)
I don't care, Damme it, I still say he sucks.
Marc Reid:"A good soldier always moves forwards, never backwards, to the left and to the right"
The "old man" in Deadly Shaolin Longfist"
Sean Breeden
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: or
: re...@groucho.bsn.usf.edu
Jealousy?
Jean-Claude Van Damme is the epitome of what fitness and martial arts can do
for someone, and all I see is people downing him out of jealousy. "Oh, he sucks,
I could take him in a fair fight, etc etc etc"...
Since *when* was martial arts a testosterone proving ground for hot heads???
Jean Claude is awesome... Bottom line...
Sean Breeden
sbre...@olie.wvitcoe.wvnet.edu
Peter Jason Ward
>
>Jean-Claude Van Damme is the epitome of what fitness and martial arts can do
>for someone, and all I see is people downing him out of jealousy. "Oh,
he suck
>s,
>I could take him in a fair fight, etc etc etc"...
OK, for the last time.
JCVD is a MOVIE STAR. He has studied martial arts and is in excellent
physical condition. That does not make him a great master.
But, just because he is an actor doesn't mean that he's a wimp.
Whether or not be could beat up Benny Uriquerez (sp - sorry), Royce
Gracie, or Bruce Lee, is not important. He's not a fighter, he's an
actor.
Maybe not the greatest actor ever, but still an actor.
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PETAR LIOVIC
>From: masu...@courier3.aero.org (Samhain)
>Subject: Re: Jean Claude Van Damme's style?
Big deal about his alleged rank. Just call him sensei.
Fredrich P. Maney
> Marc Reid (cis) (re...@groucho.bsn.usf.edu.) wrote:
> : In article <pi6V7ph...@delphi.com> Diamond Jim <sni...@delphi.com> writes:
> : >Actually He is a 1st Dan in Shotokan Karate.
> : I don't care, Damme it, I still say he sucks.
> : Marc Reid:"A good soldier always moves forwards, never backwards, to the left and to the right"
> : The "old man" in Deadly Shaolin Longfist"
> :
> : re...@suntan.eng.usf.edu
> : or
> : re...@groucho.bsn.usf.edu
> Jealousy?
> Jean-Claude Van Damme is the epitome of what fitness and martial arts can do
> for someone, and all I see is people downing him out of jealousy. "Oh, he sucks,
> I could take him in a fair fight, etc etc etc"...
> Since *when* was martial arts a testosterone proving ground for hot heads???
Since the advent of tournament fighting and sparring I would say.
> Jean Claude is awesome... Bottom line...
> Sean Breeden
> sbre...@olie.wvitcoe.wvnet.edu
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Jean Claude Van Damme trained in Ballet, Karate and Bodybuilding in
Brussels, Belgium. He won the Mr. Belgium bodybuilding title at the age
of 19. He accredits his flexibility and grace to extensive ballet
training. And he claims that he was a European kickboxing champ. Well,
all I can say is that, in a magazine, I saw a picture of him fighting in
a ring. Of course, that doesn't prove he was a Champion. His real name
is Jean Claude Van Verenberg for those who might want to look up his
record in Europe.
.
Rigor Mortis
Michael Weishaar
I can nearly do the full splits. Doing the splits has NOTHING to do with
martial arts abilitites. Actually, kicking doesn't either. Some arts
do not even use kicking above the waist.
Jean Clod is a 1st dan. BFD. Do you realize how many 1st dans there
are in the world? Let's see, he has been around since his first film,
No Retreat, No Surrender, I believe about 1988. That's 6 years. Does he
still have his 1st dan, or is he training? He doesn't need to. He can do
the splits and flex, and that is all he needs to do to wow impressionable
children like you. Turn off the Power Rangers, take off your Hong Kong
Fooey pajamas with the feet in them, and grow up. Van Damme is an action
star. He is not even an actor, he cannot act. As long as there are
people who think as you do, he will be popular.
Jean Clod, the Brie-dan of Cheezo-Ryu.
-Michael
"Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it."
Albert C Song
[snip]
>Jean-Claude Van Damme is the epitome of what fitness and martial arts can do
>for someone, and all I see is people downing him out of jealousy. "Oh, he sucks,
>I could take him in a fair fight, etc etc etc"...
What?!?!? The epitome of what fitness and martial-arts can do for someone?
Um, I don't think so. I'm not saying that he sucks, but I don't think he's
all that great. I definitely don't think that he's the "epitome" of what
fitness and martial-arts can do.
>Since *when* was martial arts a testosterone proving ground for hot heads???
>
>Jean Claude is awesome... Bottom line...
Um, he's okay. Actually, I don't think that he's all that great (as
stated above). And I wouldn't go around saying bottom line. Cause it's
not.
>Sean Breeden
>sbre...@olie.wvitcoe.wvnet.edu
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Marc Reid (EC)
Then again,what the hell do you know? Obviously very little if you like van damme. Or maybe you've got a thing for him, huh? You probably want some private lessons so he can teach you that split, eh pretty boy?I heard he was a stripper. I
bet you wish he still was. Frankly, so do I, because I'm sick of punks like you
making this guy into something he quite clearly isn't.
I'd like to see how flexible he is after a real fighter breaks every bone in his body.
Pomona Anupol Valero
>Then again,what the hell do you know? Obviously very little if you
>like van damme. Or maybe you've got a thing for him, huh? You probably
>want some private lessons so he can teach you that split, eh pretty
>boy?I heard he was a stripper. I bet you wish he still was. Frankly,
>so do I, because I'm sick of punks like you making this guy into
>something he quite clearly isn't.
>
>I'd like to see how flexible he is after a real fighter breaks every
>bone in his body.
What's the point here? Both sides, pro- and anti- Van Damme, people
seem to be very set in their convictions and opinions on this topic,
and it sure doesn't look like either side is going to give in, so
please give up. It's not going anywhere and there are many of us
getting tired of this.
BTW, what kind of martial artist goes around insulting and provoking
other people into mindless arguments?
THAT WAS A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION!
Now, back to our regular program.
Pomona
John H Rhee
Damme's.. by Marc Reid
like van damm
> e. Or maybe you've got a thing for him, huh? You probably want some
private less
> ons so he can teach you that split, eh pretty boy?I heard he was a
stripper. I
> bet you wish he still was. Frankly, so do I, because I'm sick of punks
like you
> making this guy into something he quite clearly isn't.
>
> I'd like to see how flexible he is after a real fighter breaks every
bone in his
> body.
Man... Calm down! I agree that splits aren't the most practical thing
to use in a fight (especially the way Van Damn does it w/ the spinning
hook kicks and split/ducking), but they are very helpful in achieving
high and powerful kicks. I too think that this guy couldn't last in a
real fight, but that doesn't mean I go flaming every single person who
think he's good. Maybe your girlfriend has a crush on him? =)
<John>
"The Humble Master"
1.3L=255hp
Michael Weishaar
> >martial arts abilitites. Actually, kicking doesn't either. Some arts
> >do not even use kicking above the waist.
>
Yes, nothing. Gymnasts and dancers can do the splits. Are they considered
to be martial artists because of this?
> Ever try an axe kick before? How about
> a spinning hook kick? A scissor kick? A side/roundhouse/front kick to
> the head? A front hook kick?
yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Do I consider these valuable techniques
in a dangerous situation? Absolutely not.
> If you've never even learned or tried
> these before, then fine, u don't need a split. Yes, I can do a full
> split, but that doesn't mean I can kick anyone's ass who can't do a
> split. But of course a person who can do splits will be much more
> flexible, probably quicker and more agile, and have an upper hand in
> ability to deliever more powerful and variety of kicks.
True, but quickness and agility do not necessarily come from doing the
splits. So someone who can do the splits can have more, faster and
more powerful kicks. Whooptie-do. Kicks aren't fighting.
> Ever try a
> low-high fake or combination kick? And what's this about not kicking?
> Try fighting a half-descent MAist w/o kicking and tell me how it turns
> out.
>
There's a HUGE difference between not kicking and not kicking high.
I have fought several TKD black belts who loved high kicks.
And I loved them, for loving them. :)
High and flashy kicks are good for tournaments, but that's about it.
I never said that kicking was bad. I love the effectiveness of
leg kicks. Anything higher than the waist is putting yourself at risk.
Not to turn this into *ANOTHER* UFC thread, but how many high kicks
have you seen land there? NONE. UFC is not real life, but it is a
fight between martial artists. Let's see, how many of the winners of
matches did so without high kicking? I would guess..... all of them.
> <John>
> "The Humble Master"
> 1.3L=255hp
This from someone who claims to be a master. And oh so humble.
Raymond Tang
Marc Reid (EC) <re...@suntan.ec.usf.edu.> wrote:
>In article <1994Nov13.162348.12052@wvnvms> sbre...@olie.wvitcoe.wvnet.edu (Sean Breeden) writes:
>>: Van Damme is nothing but a hollywood pretty boy who'd get his butt kick
>every bone in his body.
Well hey I like how anyone can be flexible after they get their
bones broken in a real fight. What's your point?
RT
John H Rhee
Damme's.. by Michael Weis...@cig.mot
>martial arts abilitites. Actually, kicking doesn't either. Some arts
>do not even use kicking above the waist.
NOTHING to do w/ MA abilities?! Ever try an axe kick before? How about
a spinning hook kick? A scissor kick? A side/roundhouse/front kick to
the head? A front hook kick? If you've never even learned or tried
these before, then fine, u don't need a split. Yes, I can do a full
split, but that doesn't mean I can kick anyone's ass who can't do a
split. But of course a person who can do splits will be much more
flexible, probably quicker and more agile, and have an upper hand in
ability to deliever more powerful and variety of kicks. Ever try a
low-high fake or combination kick? And what's this about not kicking?
Try fighting a half-descent MAist w/o kicking and tell me how it turns
out.
<John>
"The Humble Master"
1.3L=255hp
Philip John Stroffolino
Damme's.. by John H Rh...@andrew.cmu.e
> low-high fake or combination kick? And what's this about not kicking?
> Try fighting a half-descent MAist w/o kicking and tell me how it turns
> out.
I'd be happy to take you (or someone else from your club) up on that
offer (sparring, whatever) if you drop me a line. I don't believe that
refraining from kicking puts one at much of a disadvantage, if any,
unless one has specifically emphasized kicking as the primary offense in
their training, of course.
Mike Fenton
Yes.... But Isn't European Kickboxing actually point-fighting, and
European Full Contact our Kickboxing? That's what I was led to
believe, which would certainly make that claim believable (not too many
serious fighters are concerned with point fighting)
Mike
Mike Fenton
G> forms in his movies. In essence, he looks good- my money would be on
G>
G> Norris if it ever came to blows. Segal, then Norris.
Actually, Norris was actually a full contact fighting champion at one
point... It was the first professional tournament an in 1968, he won
the middle weight division with Joe Lewis winning the Heavy, Mike Stone
the Light Heavy, and Skipper Mullins the Light.