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ShihanJLB

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Apr 25, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/25/95
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I have recently heard a rumor that Robert Bussey was at one time a student
of Dr. Hatsumi, and then he left the Ryu to form his Warrior
International. Any ideas or comments?

John Lindsey

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Apr 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/26/95
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Bussey was never a student of Hatsumi. He was a student of Nagato. He
went to Japan a few times but never stayed very long and never associated
himself with any other people from the Bujinkan here in America. He
never did take the Godan test because of what I think was his Christian
views. Nagato once thru him in a bush <g>. Bussey has cut away all ties
to the Bujinkan. He also doesn't use many of the Japanese terms anymore,
except for Sensei, which he uses for himself.

Here is the story of how Bussey got his 3rd or 4th dan ( I forgot which).
Him and Charles Daniel were sitting at a table at a Ninja Summit
festival back in the 80's in which Hatsumi was teaching. Hatsumi walked
by and Charles suggested to him the Bussey get promoted, which he then
got right then and there!!!


John

Jeff Brackett

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Apr 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/26/95
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-=> Quoting Shihanjlb to All <=-

Sh> From: shih...@aol.com (ShihanJLB)
Sh> I have recently heard a rumor that Robert Bussey was at one time a
Sh> student of Dr. Hatsumi, and then he left the Ryu to form his Warrior
Sh> International. Any ideas or comments?

I'm not certain about this, but I think
there was a local gym here in NW Houston that
taught ninjutsu, ala Bussey about five or six
years ago.

JEFF.B...@AMEGA.COM
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John Lindsey

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Apr 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/26/95
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jeff.b...@amega.com (Jeff Brackett) wrote:

> I'm not certain about this, but I think
>there was a local gym here in NW Houston that
>taught ninjutsu, ala Bussey about five or six
>years ago.


I know this guy and even met him a few times. He was a brown belt but
might have gotten his blackbelt. I don't think he is in business now.
BTW, I teach Genbukan Ninjutsu in the Galleria area if you are
interested.


John Lindsey
(Houston)


Bart Alcorn

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Apr 26, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/26/95
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John Lindsey <jlin...@sam.neosoft.com> wrote:

>
> shih...@aol.com (ShihanJLB) wrote:
> >I have recently heard a rumor that Robert Bussey was at one time a
> student
> >of Dr. Hatsumi, and then he left the Ryu to form his Warrior
> >International. Any ideas or comments?
>
>
> Bussey was never a student of Hatsumi. He was a student of Nagato. He
> went to Japan a few times but never stayed very long and never associated
> himself with any other people from the Bujinkan here in America. He
> never did take the Godan test because of what I think was his Christian
> views. Nagato once thru him in a bush <g>. Bussey has cut away all ties
> to the Bujinkan. He also doesn't use many of the Japanese terms anymore,
> except for Sensei, which he uses for himself.
>
> Here is the story of how Bussey got his 3rd or 4th dan ( I forgot which).
> Him and Charles Daniel were sitting at a table at a Ninja Summit
> festival back in the 80's in which Hatsumi was teaching. Hatsumi walked
> by and Charles suggested to him the Bussey get promoted, which he then
> got right then and there!!!
>
>
> John
>
>


Bob was promoted to from San Dan to Yon Dan and it was at the Ninja Summit in 1985.

He was promoted by Hatsumi (not Charles), in the presence of Nagato, Jack Hoban and Charles, to name a few. Steve Hayes had been sitting at the same table that morning, however, Charles does not recall at what point Steve got up to go refill his coffee cup.

Therefore, Charles does not know if Steve actually heard Hatsumi promote Bob. He may have, he may not have.

Charles does recall, however, that you were not present, in fact, he does not recall you being at that summit at all, but certainly not at this early morning get together.

What transpired at that table that morning is known only to those persons who were present. Anyone else is engaging in heresay. Charles requests that you discontinue posting or stating heresay concerning himself.

Charles does state that he was present when Bob Bussey was promoted. Beyond that, what happened is, in Charle's words, "between him [Bussey] and Hatsumi."

You know how to get in touch with Charles if you wish to verify this.

For the record, Charles does not have an Internet connection, so I am posting this message on his behalf.

***************

For anyone concerned, if you wish, you may Email to my address, and I will forward a hardcopy to Charles. -Bart

THOMAS FRITTS

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Apr 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/27/95
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John Lindsey (jlin...@sam.neosoft.com) wrote: : jeff.b...@amega.com (Jeff Brackett) wrote: : > I'm not certain about this, but I think : >there was a local gym here in NW Houston that : >taught ninjutsu, ala Bussey about five or six : >years ago. : I know this guy and even met him a few times. He was a brown belt but : might have gotten his blackbelt. I don't think he is in business now. : BTW, I teach Genbukan Ninjutsu in the Galleria area if you are : interested. From what I understand, he recently moved down to Texas, if I'm not mistaken. I hear his school in Omaha is still open, with one of his students doing the teaching now....

John Lindsey

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Apr 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/27/95
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Bart Alcorn <bal...@randomc.com> wrote:

>He was promoted by Hatsumi (not Charles), in the presence of Nagato,
Jack Hoban and Charles, to name a few.

I hope I did not imply that Charles promoted Bussey. My previos message
was based on a public conversation with Charles that I had many years
ago at a seminar. He said it I think in response to someone at a seminar
who asked about Bussey. It is my fault for not specifying the details of
the "promotion". Then again, I should not have mentioned his name.



>
>Charles does recall, however, that you were not present, in fact, he
does not recall you being at that summit at all, but certainly not at
this early morning get together.


Once again, I was basing my article on what I heard Charles say at a
public seminar.

> Charles requests that you discontinue posting or stating heresay
concerning himself.

Sure. I should have added a few :-), <g>, etc to my previous message
since Charles had mentioned it in a Humorous manner....


>You know how to get in touch with Charles if you wish to verify this.

Verify what? What you just said basically goes along with what I tried
to say, but obviously ended up upsetting Charles. Ok, maybe I should not
have mentioned him by name.

Tell Charles hello for me. I enjoyed seeing him at the Muramatsu
seminar. Since I have left the Bujinkan, I don't know when I will see
him again, maybe in Austin sometime.....


Sincerely,

John

Kerman Geoffrey Bryan

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Apr 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/27/95
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On 26 Apr 1995, John Lindsey wrote:

> I know this guy and even met him a few times. He was a brown belt but
> might have gotten his blackbelt. I don't think he is in business now.
> BTW, I teach Genbukan Ninjutsu in the Galleria area if you are
> interested.
>
>

> John Lindsey
> (Houston)
>
>
>

Oh, Robert Bussey is very much alive and in the business.
He's selling videos and is featured in a few magazines, namely the
Official Ninja Magazine (if that is the name). He has formed his
own little clan of ninja warriors call Robert Bussey's Warrior
International (RBWI). It's still around, and he's still cranking
out videos, so yes, he's around.
Mind you, I wasn't impressed with the quality of his
teachings when I (rather stupidly) bought one of his videos. Too
modernized for me; I'm a classical martial artist myself.


Geoff Kerman

Happo

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Apr 27, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/27/95
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Robert was at one time about 10 years ago a student of Dr. Hatsumi. I do
not know why or when he chose to go his own way.
If you truly love yourself, it will be impossible to hate others.

Yes, I'm still here...

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Apr 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/28/95
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Geoff shares;

> Oh, Robert Bussey is very much alive and in the business.
>He's selling videos and is featured in a few magazines, namely the
>Official Ninja Magazine (if that is the name). He has formed his
>own little clan of ninja warriors call Robert Bussey's Warrior
>International (RBWI).

Yeah, many of us most likely know of RBWI. They're representative
Scott Morris got the snot beat out of him in UFC II. It still remains
one of, if not *the*, most bloody beatings in UFC history.

Scott may be long on fighting skills, but he sure was short of brains
that night when he ran full-speed right into that kickboxer.

He bleeds well though....

Greg

John Lindsey

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Apr 28, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/28/95
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ha...@aol.com (Happo) wrote:
>Robert was at one time about 10 years ago a student of Dr. Hatsumi. I do
>not know why or when he chose to go his own way.


Hi Regina. That is you isn't it? Don't they give you real names on AOL
<g>?


>If you truly love yourself, it will be impossible to hate others.

Yes, but you can still kick the crap out of them!

John

Jian Shan

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Apr 29, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/29/95
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ShihanJLB (shih...@aol.com) wrote:
: If the RBWI has any ties with Togakure Ryu whatsoever, they sure didn't
: show it here.

There is no connection between the RBWI and the Bujinkan/Kasumi-An other
than Bussey's very small amount of training in the ryu.

ShihanJLB

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Apr 29, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/29/95
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One of the things that I think that is kind of funny, is the way the
fighter from Bussey's warrior international, Scott Morris, handled himself
in the second UFC. He ran right at Patrick Smith, which to a kickboxer,
is suicide. Now if a black belt that studies espionage and
counterespionage runs directly at you screaming at the top of his lungs,
it leaves a bad taste to other Ninjutsu practicioners. That was the
stupidest attack I have seen in my life. That's like turning your back to
Royce Gracie and asking him to try and put you in a choke. Real Smart.

Kevin Richard Gowen

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Apr 30, 1995, 3:00:00 AM4/30/95
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Happo (ha...@aol.com) wrote:
: Robert was at one time about 10 years ago a student of Dr. Hatsumi. I do
: not know why or when he chose to go his own way.
: If you truly love yourself, it will be impossible to hate others.


Here is the low down on Bussey: He goes to Japan on his honeymoon to
train with Hatsumi. He gets to Hatsumi's place, starts farting around
doing his own thing. Hatsumi asks him, "What are you doing here?". Bussey
replies, "I'm here to get a black belt and I'm not going to leave until
you give me one." Hatsumi-sensei goes in the back, gets a black belt,
gives it to him, and says, "You can go now." Just a little anecdote from
my ninjutsu teacher.

--
Telling it like it is,

Kevin
"Tell it like it is, that's what I say!"- me

Xin Luo

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May 3, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/3/95
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Note:

Manaka shihan (and others) calmly state that if Bussey ever
shows up in Noda, they will throw him off the bridge.

Warren Leon Davis IV

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May 4, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/4/95
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Yeah... that dude had a <-bad-> idea. One thing about the UFC, it
caused people to reevaluate their arts. Not necessarily judge their arts
but to consider their arts possibilities. The UFC II ninja dude
reevaluated his and came to the wrong conclusion.
Looked like it hurt to me.
And they replayed it...
I hope everyone subscribing to this forum knows that ninjitsu has
much more substance than was displayed in UFC II.


Shinobijb

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May 19, 1995, 3:00:00 AM5/19/95
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That was not Ninjutsu in the UFC. I know that Scott Morris claims to be
studying with Bussey, but that was the dumbest attack I have ever seen.
Art of the Shadow warrior number one attack: Scream at the top of your
lungs, and run right at the kickboxer. If anyone saw that match, that was
not Ninjutsu.

He did win the heavy bleeder award though!

noticiasg...@hotmail.com

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Jul 29, 2018, 11:24:03 PM7/29/18
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Charles promote Robert in bar, make your conclusion

BURKE THE BOLD

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Aug 12, 2018, 11:33:04 AM8/12/18
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On Tuesday, April 25, 1995 at 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, ShihanJLB wrote:
> I have recently heard a rumor that Robert Bussey was at one time a student
> of Dr. Hatsumi, and then he left the Ryu to form his Warrior
> International. Any ideas or comments?

The first person I ever heard of who offered legitimate ninjitsu training was Stephen Hayes (he was featured in a 1976 Black Belt article). During the ninjitsu craze of the eighties several people declared themselves ninjitsu masters and offered ninjitsu training of questionable quality. From what I gathered Robert Bussey was such a person.
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