Ollie has slipped his squiff!
RobRPM2222
Western arts and armor than he does are wrong, and now he's trying to pick
fights with Gichoke again.
Where will it end? I predict that by the end of the week, either everyone has
Oliver killfiled or he will have been driven off due to the fact Gi is going to
start really fucking with him.
if this was a moderated group, he would have been banned a LONG time ago. ( not
saying I'm in favor of moderation, just pointing that out. )
--
Rob Meyer | As Voltaire once said-
Kempo-Jujitsu, Sombo, | " Witty quotes mean nothing."
Goshinbudo Jujitsu ( MMA )
Oliver Richman
news:20010806194429...@ng-da1.aol.com...
>
> Where will it end? I predict that by the end of the week, either everyone
has
> Oliver killfiled or he will have been driven off due to the fact Gi is
going to
> start really fucking with him.
Bill Mahoney has no clue. Anyways, his words speak louder than his actions
ever could. He has exactly 5 days to start "fucking with me" (I laugh)
before I am not even in north america. I laugh at Gichoke because he is only
capable of arguing with personal insults and threats. He probably can't
fight.
an "exhibition grappling match" -- come on.
> if this was a moderated group, he would have been banned a LONG time ago.
( not
> saying I'm in favor of moderation, just pointing that out. )
Uhm, sorry, but gichoke's swearing, racist comments and general foolishness
would have got him banned long before me.
What people seem to forget is that Gichoke has a history of worming out of
challenge matches and acting like a complete asshole when it suits him.
Perhaps you don't like me because I have a controversial viewpoint with
regards to Internal Martial arts. Fine, but that doesen't mean you can be an
asshole without me calling you on it.
> --
> Rob Meyer | As Voltaire once said-
> Kempo-Jujitsu, Sombo, | " Witty quotes mean nothing."
> Goshinbudo Jujitsu ( MMA )
By the way, Rob, I am not on a crusade to prove people who know more than me
are wrong about arms and armor. If you read the thread you would have seen I
admitted I was wrong many times. It appears you have less of a clue than
Bill Mahoney.
-frl
Joao de Souza
Oliver Richman wrote:
>
> I am not even in north america.
Ontario is not part of North America? Damn, I should have stayed awake
during geography classes!
> (speaking of the moderated group)
> Uhm, sorry, but gichoke's swearing, racist comments and general foolishness
> would have got him banned long before me.
Nope. Speaking as one of the moderators of rec.martial-arts.moderated,
I would have approved most of what Gi has ever posted to RMA, no matter
how much I disagree with his views. And trust me, I really do disagree
with his views. And as far as the swearing goes, who gives a flying fuck?
Cheers.
--
Joao - Co-moderator - rec.martial-arts.moderated
news:rec.martial-arts.moderated
http://www.windowswarrior.com/rmam/
mailto:rmam-...@news.cirr.com
Oliver Richman
If you ARE, and you do let such crap through, then I thank the good lord for
putting other people in charge as well as you.
Any moderator such as yourself would not allow such crap as you use,
misquoting and the like.
-frl
"Joao de Souza" <jds...@undp.org> wrote in message
news:3B6F4778...@undp.org...
RobRPM2222
>ever could. He has exactly 5 days to start "fucking with me" (I laugh)
>before I am not even in north america. I laugh at Gichoke because he is only
>capable of arguing with personal insults and threats. He probably can't
>fight.
LOL.
I've talked to some guys online who have seen Gi fight. I've seen the results
of Gi's matches. I've seen the videotape.
Oliver, you are in for a world of hurt if you ever fight Gi.
>an "exhibition grappling match" -- come on.
Sounds better than a Taiji push-hands match than ends up with wrestlers winning
anyway.
>Uhm, sorry, but gichoke's swearing, racist comments and general foolishness
>would have got him banned long before me.
>
>What people seem to forget is that Gichoke has a history of worming out of
>challenge matches
Well, here's the pot calling the kettle a dull monochromatic tone.
>Perhaps you don't like me because I have a controversial viewpoint with
>regards to Internal Martial arts.
Fu, I don't like you because you are full of crap. You try to portray yourself
as an expert on matters you have no clue about. You trying to tell Chas and the
rest of the gang about how European swords and armor worked and were made is
the height of hilarity. Even internalists are telling you that the stuff you
say is flat out wrong.
> Fine, but that doesen't mean you can be an
>asshole without me calling you on it.
Call me whatever you will, 'cause I don't give a shit. it is obvious who you
are from your actions. Either you are incredibly naive and not very bright, or
you are a very, very good troll. If you are indeed such a troll, I salute you
for getting me, but you can't have much of a life.
>By the way, Rob, I am not on a crusade to prove people who know more than me
>are wrong about arms and armor. If you read the thread you would have seen I
>admitted I was wrong many times.
when people cited facts 5 times and you had no choice but to admit you didn't
know what you were talking about or look like a bigger idiot than you already
did.
>It appears you have less of a clue than
>Bill Mahoney.
But far more than you ever will.
Oliver Richman
> Call me whatever you will, 'cause I don't give a shit.
Neither do I with respect to your viewpoint. it's also notable that the
so-called internalist you keep bringing up refuses to discuss martial arts
with me (as do you) but instead bring up long dead and apologized for posts.
Maybe you should get a life?
> it is obvious who you
> are from your actions. Either you are incredibly naive and not very
bright, or
> you are a very, very good troll. If you are indeed such a troll, I salute
you
> for getting me, but you can't have much of a life.
I guess that's why I'm going to Taiwan, have a college diploma, and shortly
a university degree. Not to mention 10 years experience with chinese martial
arts. Why do you think I left RMA last time? Really now, the real reason. Is
it because i "fled in fear" from someone whom after MONTHS OF "DISCUSSION"
could not agree to fight me, or because I have a life? Let's be brutally
honest here. I'm not only the best troll this newsgroup has EVER seen, I
know my shit when it comes to kungfu. With respect to Kungfu I never troll -
when someone tries to argue crap with me, I troll. And you are arguing
nothign but c.r.a.p.
> >By the way, Rob, I am not on a crusade to prove people who know more than
me
> >are wrong about arms and armor. If you read the thread you would have
seen I
> >admitted I was wrong many times.
>
> when people cited facts 5 times and you had no choice but to admit you
didn't
> know what you were talking about or look like a bigger idiot than you
already
> did.
Yeah, I apologized. So what. At least *i* can admit when I am wrong.
Unlike you, travisgod, or gichoke, who do nothing but sling personal insults
when shot down by facts.
> >It appears you have less of a clue than
> >Bill Mahoney.
>
> But far more than you ever will.
Sure sure, I guess thats why I post facts archived from google, and all
gichoke can do is call me a fool, same goes for trav and many others. You're
an MMA guy. You have a VESTED INTEREST in seeing me lose! Who would not
discount your opinion? I mean, other than the resident trolls here.
-frl
Joao de Souza
Oliver Richman wrote:
>
> Hahaha.. bull, you're not a moderator of RMAM. What a crock.
RobRPM2222
LOL. You post "facts" unrelated to the subject.
>and all
>gichoke can do is call me a fool,
he's not only called you a fool, he's called you out.
>same goes for trav and many others. You're
>an MMA guy. You have a VESTED INTEREST in seeing me lose!
Not really. I would love to see a Chinese stylist win in MMA . Someone like
Sigman winning would be very interesting. More likely it would be some San Shou
guy. Diversify MMA a little bit more, add some techniques. But if Chinese
stylists are like you, I don't think that's going to happen.
But it's nice to see I've got you all paranoid.
Who would not
>discount your opinion? I mean, other than the resident trolls here.
for values of resident trolls where resident trolls=everybody
Oliver Richman
>
> Oliver Richman wrote:
> >
> > Hahaha.. bull, you're not a moderator of RMAM. What a crock.
>
> http://www.windowswarrior.com/rmam/moderators.htm
That's actually very scary based on your attitude expressed about swearing
and some of gichoke's postings.
What is the point of RMAM? Sure, Gichoke posts some very interesting and
informed opinions and facts to this group. But don't tell me you would
approve his "you're a fucking dink" posts because if you did, RMA-M would
cease to be a moderated forum. At least not one with any credibility.
> And trust me, I really do disagree
>with his views. And as far as the swearing goes, who gives a flying fuck?
Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people, including
the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido, might
give a little more than a "flying fuck".
-frl
Oliver Richman
> >Sure sure, I guess thats why I post facts archived from google,
>
> LOL. You post "facts" unrelated to the subject.
Oh, I guess Gichoke's post "I accept your challenge" has nothing to do with
the subject. You really make me laugh.
-frl
Matthew Weigel
>That's actually very scary based on your attitude expressed about swearing
>and some of gichoke's postings.
To your small mind. To a person who prefers content to politeness...
it's the only way to go.
>What is the point of RMAM? Sure, Gichoke posts some very interesting and
>informed opinions and facts to this group. But don't tell me you would
>approve his "you're a fucking dink" posts because if you did, RMA-M would
>cease to be a moderated forum. At least not one with any credibility.
*shrug* every post has to have martial arts content - Gi's posts that
don't would probably not pass. The point of RMAM is not, was not, and
should not be to make everyone be polite; just to keep things (within
the charter, which you've probably not read).
>Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people, including
>the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido, might
>give a little more than a "flying fuck".
So now the moderators of a forum targetted at adults are responsible for
the sensibilities of some punk-ass parents who can't keep an eye on
their kids?
I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
--
Matthew Weigel
Research Systems Programmer
mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu
Oliver Richman
news:9knvha$5fv$1...@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu...
> Oliver Richman <fr...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people,
including
> >the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido,
might
> >give a little more than a "flying fuck".
>
> So now the moderators of a forum targetted at adults are responsible for
> the sensibilities of some punk-ass parents who can't keep an eye on
> their kids?
I believe the post in question was made to rec.martial-arts. No one said
this forum was targeted for adults or children. It's a point of politeness
not to swear in "public". Although this is not exactly public, since in
theory anyone could be reading this forum, it is public enough.
> I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
Whatever. Your political views aren't really relevant to a discussion about
swearing in newsgroups. It's more of a social dillema. It's not about adults
being able to "handle" offensive language. It's about people who go for
shock value (like trav and gi) with little regard for anything else in the
process. Offensive words are merely the beginning.
-frl
Matthew Weigel
>> So now the moderators of a forum targetted at adults are responsible for
>> the sensibilities of some punk-ass parents who can't keep an eye on
>> their kids?
>
>I believe the post in question was made to rec.martial-arts. No one said
>this forum was targeted for adults or children. It's a point of politeness
>not to swear in "public". Although this is not exactly public, since in
>theory anyone could be reading this forum, it is public enough.
I swear in public, and I'll say fuck here too. But even when I don't,
I'll defend the right of the guy who wants to swear in public, to make
soccer moms frown. The moderators job is to keep posts within the
charter, and the charter doesn't pussyfoot around requiring people to
stay polite.
>Whatever. Your political views aren't really relevant to a discussion about
>swearing in newsgroups. It's more of a social dillema.
Whether it's "good" or not is social. Whether it should be allowed or
not is political.
>being able to "handle" offensive language. It's about people who go for
>shock value (like trav and gi) with little regard for anything else in the
>process. Offensive words are merely the beginning.
The minute Gi starts dressing like Marilyn Manson, I'll consider
conceding your point (and stop watching videos on the internet
associated with him - he'd probably autofellate like you).
Kallini
wrote:
>"Matthew Weigel" <mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote in message
>news:9knvha$5fv$1...@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu...
>> Oliver Richman <fr...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people,
>including
>> >the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido,
>might
>> >give a little more than a "flying fuck".
>>
>> So now the moderators of a forum targetted at adults are responsible for
>> the sensibilities of some punk-ass parents who can't keep an eye on
>> their kids?
>
>I believe the post in question was made to rec.martial-arts. No one said
>this forum was targeted for adults or children. It's a point of politeness
>not to swear in "public". Although this is not exactly public, since in
>theory anyone could be reading this forum, it is public enough.
Feh. Fuck that notion, right in the ass.
>> I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
>
>Whatever. Your political views aren't really relevant to a discussion about
>swearing in newsgroups. It's more of a social dillema. It's not about adults
>being able to "handle" offensive language. It's about people who go for
>shock value (like trav and gi) with little regard for anything else in the
>process. Offensive words are merely the beginning.
People who get shocked by naughty words could stand a little more
exposure to the real world before they run into something genuinely
dangerous and have a coronary.
I consider it a public service.
Kallini
Gichoke
> Oliver killfiled or he will have been driven off due to the fact Gi is
>going to
>> start really fucking with him.
>
>Bill Mahoney has no clue. Anyways, his words speak louder than his actions
>ever could. He has exactly 5 days to start "fucking with me" (I laugh)
>before I am not even in north america. I laugh at Gichoke because he is only
>capable of arguing with personal insults and threats. He probably can't
>fight.
>
>an "exhibition grappling match" -- come on.
I had an "exhibition grappling match"
Why do you think hundreds of drunks that payed 30 bucks to get in would watch
me do an "exhibition grappling match"?
No result is posted... it was just a demonstration in front of MMA fight fans.
What does that tell you?
>
>Uhm, sorry, but gichoke's swearing, racist comments and general foolishness
>would have got him banned long before me.
I least I woulda been banned for breaking rules.
You woulda been banned when the moderater could no longer take the droning.
>
>What people seem to forget is that Gichoke has a history of worming out of
>challenge matches and acting like a complete asshole when it suits him.
I have been challenged 4 times on RMA.
None happened.
There was one guy that was gonna fight but then one of my friends/students
asked me about my first place finish at the "world submission wrestling
championship" NAGA event.
And this guy that was gonna fight me said it was bullshit, but alas.
It turned out to be true.
What was he doing while I was winning all my matches by tap out?
Gettin buttbombed in china perhaps?
>Perhaps you don't like me because I have a controversial viewpoint with
>regards to Internal Martial arts.
I heard you were into "internal" shit.
Perv.
>Fine, but that doesen't mean you can be an
>asshole without me calling you on it.
Well, go ahead and call yourself on it then ya mongoloid.
We're waiting.
Gi (guess Ill just have to sit here swearing until somebody shows me that it is
wrong... to my face)
Oliver Richman
news:20010807023137...@ng-cc1.aol.com...
> Well, go ahead and call yourself on it then ya mongoloid.
> We're waiting.
Ok, you're an asshole. There.
> Gi (guess Ill just have to sit here swearing until somebody shows me that
it is
> wrong... to my face)
Perhaps you think you are smart and cool, but swear like this in a real job
that pays real money and you will get fired. Ask yourself why.
It's because it's wrong.
-frl
Gichoke
>> Well, go ahead and call yourself on it then ya mongoloid.
>> We're waiting.
>
>Ok, you're an asshole. There.
>
>> Gi (guess Ill just have to sit here swearing until somebody shows me that
>it is
>> wrong... to my face)
>
>Perhaps you think you are smart and cool, but swear like this in a real job
>that pays real money and you will get fired. Ask yourself why.
>
>It's because it's wrong.
You are correct.
It shows no class to swear.
But here on rma I get people giving me a hard time that in person would give me
nothing but respect.
I show disrespect in return.
And you did worse than mock me with swears.You did something dispicable.
I was on your side.
When you camer back I treated you with kid gloves.I stuck to debating points.
I even sent out a couple of emails to RMA regulars asking them not to attack
you for your history with me.
I felt bad for scaring you away.
Although you had made the challenge I had provoked it by responding to your
illinformed arguementative posts with outlandish lewdness.
We were both party to blame so I chose out of pure BENEVOLENCE to give you a
free ride on your history here and actually asked others to do the same.
But unfortunatly Trav does not take orders from me, and you and he began
fighting.
I have collided with you two alot so I ignored your debate.
Then you had the unmitigated GALL to (in a thread I was not posting on) call me
a coward for having ducked you in the past.
Not only did you lie, but you said I did, what everyone here knows YOU did.
When chas had written a glowing assesment of your character I thought about
really ripping you up, but I felt sorry for you and I didnt.
And you repay me by calling me a coward?
I swear too much, Fu.
But you have shown yourself a man without honor.
And you know what?In 100% honesty despite everything, in my class tonight when
I mentioned a crazy taichi guy had challenged me so I threatened to twist him
into a pretzel one of my students goes.
"No you wouldnt"
I thought about it, and hes correct.
I would toss you down, sit on you and then do what would really hurt.
I would do what Im doing here.
I would pity you.
Gi
Oliver Richman
> I was on your side.
> When you camer back I treated you with kid gloves.I stuck to debating
points.
> I even sent out a couple of emails to RMA regulars asking them not to
attack
> you for your history with me.
> I felt bad for scaring you away.
> Although you had made the challenge I had provoked it by responding to
your
> illinformed arguementative posts with outlandish lewdness.
Okay then let me admit my mistake now and let it die. I will wait two full
days to see how you react to this full and complete apology and retraction
of my original challenge.
If you want to let it die, I want to let it die too.
-frl
> We were both party to blame so I chose out of pure BENEVOLENCE to give you
a
> free ride on your history here and actually asked others to do the same.
> But unfortunatly Trav does not take orders from me, and you and he began
> fighting.
Yes, with trav.
> I have collided with you two alot so I ignored your debate.
> Then you had the unmitigated GALL to (in a thread I was not posting on)
call me
> a coward for having ducked you in the past.
> Not only did you lie, but you said I did, what everyone here knows YOU
did.
Okay, I admit it, I ducked you. I guess we can all go home now.
> When chas had written a glowing assesment of your character I thought
about
> really ripping you up, but I felt sorry for you and I didnt.
Maybe I changed. I'm *really* not the one living in the past here.
> And you repay me by calling me a coward?
> I swear too much, Fu.
> But you have shown yourself a man without honor.
Okay, I have no honour. This is the first day of the rest of my life. I'm
sorry about before.
> And you know what?In 100% honesty despite everything, in my class tonight
when
> I mentioned a crazy taichi guy had challenged me so I threatened to twist
him
> into a pretzel one of my students goes.
> "No you wouldnt"
> I thought about it, and hes correct.
> I would toss you down, sit on you and then do what would really hurt.
> I would do what Im doing here.
> I would pity you.
Okay. I accept your pity. Now let's forget about it.
-frl
Kirk Lawson
> I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
Give it a shot. You'll *like* it on the Libertarian side of The Fense.
Peace favor your sword
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial artists
gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle suprise."
-Chas Speaking of Rec.Martial-Arts
Kirk Lawson
> > I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
>
> Whatever. Your political views aren't really relevant to a discussion about
> swearing in newsgroups. It's more of a social dillema.
errr... Oliver, I don't want to be rude, but WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN?!?!?!
Politicts are (theoretically) *all* about dealing with social issues on large
scales.
Joao de Souza
Oliver Richman wrote:
>
> What is the point of RMAM? Sure, Gichoke posts some very interesting and
> informed opinions and facts to this group. But don't tell me you would
> approve his "you're a fucking dink" posts because if you did, RMA-M would
> cease to be a moderated forum. At least not one with any credibility.
Did I ever say I would approve everything Gi posts? The word I used was
"most", not "all". Besides, you were talking about him being banned
from the moderated forum, which we very rarely do. In four years since
RMAM was first created, only one person has been banned. That was
because the guy was someone who went around all over USENET, trying to
create havoc in any moderated forum he found by posting a shitload of
borderline messages that were sure to generate a flamewar. We even
found posts from him in other groups bragging about it. Gi on the other
hand posts a lot of relevant stuff. I don't agree with most of it. I
violently disagree with nearly all his political, socio-economic, and
racial views. Yet most of his stuff is on topic. If he chooses to use
harsh language to express his opinions, that's his choice. And if
anyone prefers not to read his posts, they can always killfile him on an
individual basis.
> Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people, including
> the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido, might
> give a little more than a "flying fuck".
If you're a parent, then its up to you to protect your child. You can't
just assume everyone else in the world will be nice and polite just
because there might be kids reading. Anyone in this day and age knows
that there is a lot of adult content online. Many parents sit with
their kids while online. Others install freely available filtering
software that shields them from potentially offensive websites and
blocks off any bad words. Any parent that lets their kid go online
without any supervision - human or automated - should be prepared to
deal with the results. Or better yet, make sure the kid is prepared to
deal with what is out there beforehand.
Cheers.
Don Wagner
>if this was a moderated group, he would have been banned a LONG time ago. ( not
>saying I'm in favor of moderation, just pointing that out. )
Not on RMAM he wouldn't. No one has been "banned" yet and there have
only been 2-3 warnings for personal threats and generally
unacceptable/illegal actions.
--Don--
Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
Don Wagner
>Hahaha.. bull, you're not a moderator of RMAM. What a crock.
Ollie, you are a half wit zombie.
http://www.windowswarrior.com/rmam/moderators.htm#top
>If you ARE, and you do let such crap through, then I thank the good lord for
>putting other people in charge as well as you.
Like what? Do you have a clue as to where you are posting? This is
RMA, not RMAM. There is no moderator and there never will be a
moderator on RMA.
I'm a moderator on RMAM too, you spunk monkey.
Don Wagner
>That's actually very scary based on your attitude expressed about swearing
>and some of gichoke's postings.
Gi has good technical advice and is generally insane. High quality
RMA posts in my opinion.
>What is the point of RMAM?
To provide a NG where you can get some good MA info without a lot of
effort. It's just another option, not a substitute.
Pierre Honeyman
> and some of gichoke's postings.
>
It's only scary if you're some shill for FOF or some other
pro-censorship group. Newsgroup moderation is not about swearing
(unless it's rec.disney-moderated), but about reducing the
signal-to-noise ratio. What this means is that Gichoke's postings
about fighting would get onto rmam but not his postings about
evolution.
> > And trust me, I really do disagree
> >with his views. And as far as the swearing goes, who gives a flying fuck?
>
> Joao, offensive language is offensive language. A lot of people, including
> the parents of the 12 year old boy posting here recently about aikido, might
> give a little more than a "flying fuck".
Who cares? rma and rmam are not "for kids" newsgroups. It's wankers
like yourself who are a threat to all free speech by insisting that
adults "tone down" language and content "for the kids". Just what are
parents for then?
Pierre
Chas
>.....It's a point of politeness
> not to swear in "public".
Vulgarity is not swearing. 'Fuck' is not a blasphemy or inappropriate oath.
Victorian prissiness is far sillier than using the vulgate for emphasis,
insult or humor, and is rightfully eschewed by writers of wit and
substance.
> Whatever. Your political views aren't really relevant to a discussion about
> swearing in newsgroups.
My own political view is that you don't whine about language or grammar as
your point dissolves under scrutiny.
But hey, that's just me.
> .....It's about people who go for
> shock value (like trav and gi) with little regard for anything else in the
> process. Offensive words are merely the beginning.
It's called the interview period; right before you get smacked in your
cocksmoker.
--
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Matthew Weigel
>Matthew Weigel wrote:
>
>> I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
>
>Give it a shot. You'll *like* it on the Libertarian side of The Fense.
Nah. Now that I've gotten a little sleep, I feel fine. Mighta just
been the vodka last night.
Chas
> .... Someone like
> Sigman winning would be very interesting.
They'd call it mma if he did.
Sigman is in his middle age. Presently, he does white-water kayaking,
trains with a 16 lb. ball, lots of conditioning and response cultivation.
He had twenty years of mixed Japanese stuff before he entered taiji;
tournament contender as well as active martial exponent (USMC and such).
He coulda been'a contendah.
RobRPM2222
>Sigman is in his middle age. Presently, he does white-water kayaking,
anyone who does kayaking is cool in my book.
>trains with a 16 lb. ball,
Medicine ball?
>lots of conditioning and response cultivation.
>He had twenty years of mixed Japanese stuff before he entered taiji;
>tournament contender as well as active martial exponent (USMC and such).
>He coulda been'a contendah.
Interesting. Do you think there's anything to the assertion sometimes made that
Taiji fighters are actually better when they come out of external styles and
then go into Taiji?
ToddC
> Yeah, I apologized. So what. At least *i* can admit when I am wrong.
Aaaaaaargh!
I can't stand it anymore.
You only finally admitted when you were wrong because the overwhelming
wieght of truth and mass opinion came conclusively down on you like a
dump truck of Rhinocerous dung. You were caught not in just logical
falacy but in out and out lies. And then essencially were bar-b-q-'d
with your own words. You view THAT as honorable contrition?
Anybody can be wrong. It's no big deal. But my friend, you just keep
digging these irrational rhetorical ditches deeper and deeper. NOBODY
reads you anymore. NOBODY. Except to fuck with you. Doesn't that tell
you something?
We could take a survey right now and I guarantee you most people here
think your a total crank. Is that what you want? Why the hell would
you do this?
If I wasn't exiled to to reading these on a browser based news group -
I'd have kill-filed you too. AS it is I just skip you unless I see a
quote from you in other peoples posts.
I've only said this to one other person on UseNet. For thier own good.
And they went completly insane after they ignored my advice:
For fuck's sake Oliver, just stop it. You have no idea how much you
have embarassed your self. Please. Buddy, take a break, please. Just
unplug the keyboard - do some forms, go have a beer. Anything.
ToddC
Ah-HAH!
Oliver is a shill for us Libertarians!
I knew it! A mole!
Oh. Wait. Maybe I'd better talk about him at the next meeting.
Oh well.
We got Weigel [rubbing hands together]...
Now, who do we target next? Hmmmm.....
Kirk Lawson
> >> I feel like I'm turning into a Libertarian just *talking* to this guy.
> >
> >Give it a shot. You'll *like* it on the Libertarian side of The Fense.
>
> Nah. Now that I've gotten a little sleep, I feel fine. Mighta just
> been the vodka last night.
Heeeeeey.... The first one is *FREE*! If you like it, then come back for
more.
<furtive look>
Mark S Goldberg
RobRPM2222 wrote:
> ... Do you think there's anything to the assertion sometimes made that
> Taiji fighters are actually better when they come out of external styles and
> then go into Taiji?
>
> Rob Meyer
I dunno. the traditional stuff was the the same scenario I think. If you wanted
to get the skills, you had to put in the first few years at 4 hours a day, then if
you got the basic mechanics and those skills, then you could (maybe ) learn to
fight with it. Of course you didn't have to learn to fight with those skills, you
might be a lousy fighter, and/or a scared fighter or just not be much interested
in fighting, but you could pursue other uses of the basic skills.
Now- people think if they get a 'feeling' in their hands that's the almighty
calling them. We slid so far. Devolution.
It's not fighting but hey- it's sells memberships.
So- for those ( meaning almost every practitioner today), the good idea is to
get punched in the mouth first, or
taken to the ground, or something- just so you have some idea of what fighting
might mean. Forget the feelings in your hands- be more concerned with someones
fist crashing your nose and recreating unconsciousness for you.
Otherwise- you get lost in that superficial ' geeeee... I think I feel the chi
circling in my body' bit and forget the sober realities of the world.
I think people should just go see people fighting before they pretend to be a
fighter. That external enough.
Mark
coldblood
andrew
"Kirk Lawson" <NO_lklaw...@heapy.com> wrote in message
news:3B6FE531...@heapy.com...
RobRPM2222
>wanted
>to get the skills, you had to put in the first few years at 4 hours a day,
>then if
>you got the basic mechanics and those skills, then you could (maybe ) learn
>to
>fight with it. Of course you didn't have to learn to fight with those skills,
>you
>might be a lousy fighter, and/or a scared fighter or just not be much
>interested
>in fighting, but you could pursue other uses of the basic skills.
>
> Now- people think if they get a 'feeling' in their hands that's the
>almighty
>calling them. We slid so far. Devolution.
Pretty much has happened with all "traditional" arts in the U.S. and most other
places. There are still a few hardcore old guys around, but nobody wants to get
beat in the head enough to learn something. So it becomes all about musical
forms. And kicking in the air. And the hardcore guys go do MMA or stuff where
you actually make full contact.
Kinda sad.
> It's not fighting but hey- it's sells memberships.
> So- for those ( meaning almost every practitioner today), the good idea is
>to
>get punched in the mouth first, or
> taken to the ground, or something- just so you have some idea of what
>fighting
>might mean. Forget the feelings in your hands- be more concerned with
>someones
>fist crashing your nose and recreating unconsciousness for you.
Sparring is the great crucible.
> Otherwise- you get lost in that superficial ' geeeee... I think I feel the
>chi
>circling in my body' bit and forget the sober realities of the world.
>
> I think people should just go see people fighting before they pretend to be
>a
>fighter. That external enough.
I'll agree. BTW, there's a Taiji guy on the Underground named Shooter! that
claims to train for MMA, basically using the sprawl and brawl strategy.
Gichoke
>
>Okay then let me admit my mistake now and let it die. I will wait two full
>days to see how you react to this full and complete apology and retraction
>of my original challenge.
>
>If you want to let it die, I want to let it die too.
You might see a rude comment in earlier posted messages.
But in the interest of brotherhood, I humbly accept your apology, and hereby
retract my suggestion that you are the result of an unholy union between a
woman and a donkey.
I have every reason to believe that you are fully 100% human.
I applaud your act of contrition and humility.
And hope that our agreement to let the past die goes better than last time.
Gi
Chas
> .....
> >They'd call it mma if he did.
> >Sigman is in his middle age. Presently, he does white-water kayaking,
> anyone who does kayaking is cool in my book.
He does competition against all comers in some of the roughest mountain
water in the world. Does well from what I understand; very physical and
dangerous sport- rocks.
> >trains with a 16 lb. ball,
> Medicine ball?
Stone, I think; for the 'golden ball' type training of internal power
maybe.
The taiji does benefit from conditioning the body just like everything
else.
He also works lead-shot striking bags, small stones for body conditioning,
lots of big bag work- a lifetime of hard fighting experience with which to
compare his present endeavors, the best instruction on the planet and an
engineering degree to keep him honest.
> Interesting. Do you think there's anything to the assertion sometimes made that
> Taiji fighters are actually better when they come out of external styles and
> then go into Taiji?
I've always heard that one would have a grounding in other stuff before
taiji. There was a pretty persistent mythos about it. That would exclude
familial connections to be sure.
In my own art, I teach all the punching/kicking, throwing/falling, rasslin'
and running stuff first. As one becomes more proficient, the adage kicks
in; 'We don't train to fight *harder*, we train to fight *easier*.'
Realistically, the people that old men have to fight are young men. If you
don't learn something useful about combat, when you're old or crippled is
when you'll get taken out.
The search, then, is for a sophistication and finesse and intellectual
analysis that allows a response to an actual encounter rather than a
testing of reserved combat in formal situations.
I learned how to fight years ago. Everything else has been a refining of
possible adversaries and learning/practicing a response to them. I don't
train for the least of my possibilities, I train for the worst.
Oliver Richman
news:3b70097c...@news.erols.com...
> "Oliver Richman" <fr...@home.com> wrote:
> >That's actually very scary based on your attitude expressed about
swearing
> >and some of gichoke's postings.
>
> Gi has good technical advice and is generally insane.
As am I. However, in a discussing of grappling and internal martial arts,
people from this culture are *far* more inclined to accept wrestling as
being superior.
-frl
Oliver Richman
> Who cares? rma and rmam are not "for kids" newsgroups. It's wankers
> like yourself who are a threat to all free speech by insisting that
> adults "tone down" language and content "for the kids". Just what are
> parents for then?
It was a strong suggestion, not a motion of congress to create law. Perhaps
you should learn to relax and not jump on so many bandwagons.
-frl
Oliver Richman
> Interesting. Do you think there's anything to the assertion sometimes made
that
> Taiji fighters are actually better when they come out of external styles
and
> then go into Taiji?
Yes.
-frl
Oliver Richman
news:8fbddc60.01080...@posting.google.com...
>
> You only finally admitted when you were wrong because the overwhelming
> wieght of truth and mass opinion
Truth, not mass opinion. Mass opinion is stupidity, look at the last several
presidential elections. Not that I care or know anything about american
politics-thats just what I heard.
-frl
> You were caught not in just logical
> falacy but in out and out lies. And then essencially were bar-b-q-'d
> with your own words. You view THAT as honorable contrition?
No, I was not caught in either. I was caught in a mistake which was
posulated by others as lying. The motive for such postulation us usually a
subversion of the current discussion.
> Anybody can be wrong. It's no big deal. But my friend, you just keep
> digging these irrational rhetorical ditches deeper and deeper. NOBODY
> reads you anymore. NOBODY. Except to fuck with you. Doesn't that tell
> you something.
Conjecture.
> We could take a survey right now and I guarantee you most people here
> think your a total crank. Is that what you want? Why the hell would
> you do this?
Personal opinion.
> If I wasn't exiled to to reading these on a browser based news group -
> I'd have kill-filed you too. AS it is I just skip you unless I see a
> quote from you in other peoples posts.
Sure, sure, thats why you directly replied to my post. I believe you.
> I've only said this to one other person on UseNet. For thier own good.
> And they went completly insane after they ignored my advice:
>
> For fuck's sake Oliver, just stop it. You have no idea how much you
> have embarassed your self. Please. Buddy, take a break, please. Just
> unplug the keyboard - do some forms, go have a beer. Anything.
Personal opinion.
The facts speak for themselves. Anyone who clicks on the links I posted can
see what really happened. As it is I've completely withdrawn my challenge
and all arguments. If you continue to shove those mistakes in my face so be
it, but I could really care less of your opinion on me.
-frl
Kallini
wrote:
In my case, that's because I've yet to experience the grappling of the
internal arts, so naturally I'm biased to what I've actually seen and
done, which would be wrestling/judo/jujitsu. I imagine that's the view
of most people you've argued with.
I'm certainly open to experiencing the grappling of the internal arts,
but I don't think you've been a very good proponent of it to date,
Oliver.
I don't deny things that I haven't seen or experienced, but I'm not
going to rush out and start training in it right now either. If I get
the chance to train with an internal artist at some point, or witness
a viable demonstration of his skill, I'll take the opportunity so I
can make my own decision.
For now though, I'll stick with what I've seen and experienced.
Kallini
Matthew Weigel
>As am I. However, in a discussing of grappling and internal martial arts,
>people from this culture are *far* more inclined to accept wrestling as
>being superior.
As a favor to yourself, try it some time (friendly setting). Fending
off a wrestler with taiji may well be possible - I think it is - but
what's not *probable* is going against something you've never seen, and
thinking you'll do fine based upon the strength of your training against
things you *have* seen.
Oliver Richman
"Matthew Weigel" <mcwe...@cs.cmu.edu> wrote in message
news:9kpqcp$hl3$1...@cantaloupe.srv.cs.cmu.edu...
> Oliver Richman <fr...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >As am I. However, in a discussing of grappling and internal martial arts,
> >people from this culture are *far* more inclined to accept wrestling as
> >being superior.
>
> As a favor to yourself, try it some time (friendly setting). Fending
> off a wrestler with taiji may well be possible - I think it is - but
> what's not *probable* is going against something you've never seen, and
> thinking you'll do fine based upon the strength of your training against
> things you *have* seen.
Ala travisgod?
-frl
Gary Barnes
blather ... blather ... blather ... >If you continue to shove those mistakes in
my face so be
>it, but I could really care less of your opinion on me.
For someone who could supposedly care less, I find it curious at the least that
you would take the time to respond directly to his post ... and only roughly 4
hours after he posted it. Gotta be a little caring in that hypocritical heart
of yours.
Regards,
Gary R. Barnes
"The successful person has the habit of doing the things failures don't like to
do; they don't necessarily like doing them either. But their disliking is
subordinated to the strength of their purpose." -- E.M. Gray
Oliver Richman
news:20010807184959.00816.00003179@ng->it, but I could really care less of
your opinion on me.
>
> For someone who could supposedly care less, I find it curious at the least
that
> you would take the time to respond directly to his post ... and only
roughly 4
> hours after he posted it. Gotta be a little caring in that hypocritical
heart
> of yours.
Hi Gary.
Actually I am just bored, waiting for my plane to take off.
-frl
Chas
> Pretty much has happened with all "traditional" arts in the U.S. and most other
> places. There are still a few hardcore old guys around, but nobody wants to get
> beat in the head enough to learn something. So it becomes all about musical
> forms. And kicking in the air. And the hardcore guys go do MMA or stuff where
> you actually make full contact.
It's also the broadening of the base of people who consider taking martial
art.
I don't mind the 'part-time' folk. It's what actually pays the way for the
dojobums and karatebrains. There are still a lot of guys that live from one
day to the next practicing and sleeping on your floor.
> >Forget the feelings in your hands- be more concerned with
> >someones
> >fist crashing your nose and recreating unconsciousness for you.
> Sparring is the great crucible.
Yeah- the guys that have to worry about their hands or whether they came to
work with a mouse or a split lip used to didn't even take martial art. Now,
I allow everyone to seek their own level; they set their own practice
schedule, we do no calesthenics- we train the techniques. They can warm up
on their own time.
R Joseph
ch...@kallini.com wrote:
>
>I'm certainly open to experiencing the grappling of the internal arts,
>but I don't think you've been a very good proponent of it to date,
>Oliver.
>
>I don't deny things that I haven't seen or experienced, but I'm not
>going to rush out and start training in it right now either. If I get
>the chance to train with an internal artist at some point, or witness
>a viable demonstration of his skill, I'll take the opportunity so I
>can make my own decision.
>
>For now though, I'll stick with what I've seen and experienced.
That is a _very_ nice way of putting it. Well done.
--
Richard Joseph
Email: In...@RJSoftware.com
RJ Software - Producer of ClockWise
Get ClockWise at: http://www.RJSoftware.com/
Kallini
wrote:
>In article <5bp0ntoio36fc2849...@4ax.com>,
>ch...@kallini.com wrote:
>>
>>I'm certainly open to experiencing the grappling of the internal arts,
>>but I don't think you've been a very good proponent of it to date,
>>Oliver.
>>
>>I don't deny things that I haven't seen or experienced, but I'm not
>>going to rush out and start training in it right now either. If I get
>>the chance to train with an internal artist at some point, or witness
>>a viable demonstration of his skill, I'll take the opportunity so I
>>can make my own decision.
>>
>>For now though, I'll stick with what I've seen and experienced.
>
>That is a _very_ nice way of putting it. Well done.
Thanks.
Kallini
Paul Tanenbaum
> ...
> Gi (guess I'll just have to sit here swearing
> until somebody shows me that it's wrong... )
Swearing marks you as a member of the lower class.
It is evidence of substandard intelligence.
Proper articulateness is a sign of the upper class.
Such men are more attractive to women of exemplary
genetic attributes, who recognize them as superior
mates for long term survival of their DNA. Since
they know that intelligence is the discriminant for
success and reproduction in the human species.
And hence clean speech offers greater chance for
the evolutionary success of your own DNA.
---
Paul T. "That oughta convince him"
Don Wagner
>"Don Wagner" <dawa...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
>news:3b70097c...@news.erols.com...
>> "Oliver Richman" <fr...@home.com> wrote:
>> >That's actually very scary based on your attitude expressed about
>swearing
>> >and some of gichoke's postings.
>>
>> Gi has good technical advice and is generally insane.
>
>As am I.
Nope. You don't offer good advice and you're annoying...there's a
difference.
> However, in a discussing of grappling and internal martial arts,
>people from this culture are *far* more inclined to accept wrestling as
>being superior.
You mean because its field tested often? Yes, I'd say that they would
be more inclined to accept wrestling as being superior.
--Don--
Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
Pierre Honeyman
Whatever fu-l. You were "shocked" that a moderator of rmam would
"swear" or allow "swearing" on a moderated newsgroup - the moderators
being "congress" in this case.
I bet you're one of those "give up a little bit of liberty" retards
too.
Pierre
Badger Jones
Tanenbaum) wrote:
>gic...@aol.com (Gichoke) wrote in message news:<20010807023137...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>> ...
>> Gi (guess I'll just have to sit here swearing
>> until somebody shows me that it's wrong... )
>
>Swearing marks you as a member of the lower class.
>It is evidence of substandard intelligence.
Fuck ya.
Badger Jones
Chinese & Filipino Martial Arts
www.cyberus.ca/~badger
RobRPM2222
>art.
>I don't mind the 'part-time' folk.
It's what actually pays the way for the
>dojobums and karatebrains.
Good point.
>> Sparring is the great crucible.
>
>Yeah- the guys that have to worry about their hands or whether they came to
>work with a mouse or a split lip used to didn't even take martial art. Now,
>I allow everyone to seek their own level; they set their own practice
>schedule, we do no calesthenics- we train the techniques. They can warm up
>on their own time.
Interesting. My class does a lot more calesthenics, mainly because we train for
MMA and you pretty much have to be an athlete to win in there. Usually we mix
it up, say doing bag drills, then during breaks doing exercises.
Chas
> .....
> >......Now,
> >I allow everyone to seek their own level; they set their own practice
> >schedule, we do no calesthenics- we train the techniques. They can warm up
> >on their own time.
> Interesting. My class does a lot more calesthenics, mainly because we train for
> MMA and you pretty much have to be an athlete to win in there. Usually we mix
> it up, say doing bag drills, then during breaks doing exercises.
People should train on their own time.
They're going to be sore and tired after class, but it's from doing the
drills, practicing/correcting the forms and sparring (one-step, two-step,
free). I'm pretty much there to deliver a technical essence and respond to
their questions.
We have silat guys who run 'gymnasium' type schools, but it isn't the usual
model in my experience.
Silat *is* a 'mma'; and there are a *lot* of very fit athletes that school
in it.
They just condition on their own time.
ToddC
Bullshit.
Sorry. Couldn't resist.
Gichoke
> ...
>> Gi (guess I'll just have to sit here swearing
>> until somebody shows me that it's wrong... )
>
>Swearing marks you as a member of the lower class.
>It is evidence of substandard intelligence.
>
>Proper articulateness is a sign of the upper class.
>Such men are more attractive to women of exemplary
>genetic attributes, who recognize them as superior
>mates for long term survival of their DNA. Since
>they know that intelligence is the discriminant for
>success and reproduction in the human species.
>
>And hence clean speech offers greater chance for
>the evolutionary success of your own DNA.
In terms of attaining your sperm perch within a female of examplary stock, I
agree.
But I find crude in your face masculity (that swearing implies) allows more
change of reproducing with the myriad of trailer park hotties that frequent the
fringe of society.
And these trollups outnumber the refined debutante by a sizeable margin.
Quantity over quality you know?
>
>Paul T. "That oughta convince him"
Pffa...
amatuer.
Gi
P.S. Fuck
RobRPM2222
>They're going to be sore and tired after class, but it's from doing the
>drills, practicing/correcting the forms and sparring (one-step, two-step,
>free). I'm pretty much there to deliver a technical essence and respond to
>their questions.
>We have silat guys who run 'gymnasium' type schools, but it isn't the usual
>model in my experience.
>Silat *is* a 'mma'; and there are a *lot* of very fit athletes that school
>in it.
>They just condition on their own time.
Ah, I see. Most of the guys in my class condition outside of class as well, but
we also do some during class. I'm trying to start up my own conditioning
program now that I've got access to a decent gym.
Kallini
Tanenbaum) wrote:
>gic...@aol.com (Gichoke) wrote in message news:<20010807023137...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
>> ...
>> Gi (guess I'll just have to sit here swearing
>> until somebody shows me that it's wrong... )
>
>Swearing marks you as a member of the lower class.
>It is evidence of substandard intelligence.
>
>Proper articulateness is a sign of the upper class.
And then there are those of us who are both articulate, and neither
pretentious nor frightened of scary words.
Kallini
Kallini
>RobRPM2222 wrote:
>> .....
>> >......Now,
>> >I allow everyone to seek their own level; they set their own practice
>> >schedule, we do no calesthenics- we train the techniques. They can warm up
>> >on their own time.
>> Interesting. My class does a lot more calesthenics, mainly because we train for
>> MMA and you pretty much have to be an athlete to win in there. Usually we mix
>> it up, say doing bag drills, then during breaks doing exercises.
>
>People should train on their own time.
>They're going to be sore and tired after class, but it's from doing the
>drills, practicing/correcting the forms and sparring (one-step, two-step,
>free). I'm pretty much there to deliver a technical essence and respond to
>their questions.
>We have silat guys who run 'gymnasium' type schools, but it isn't the usual
>model in my experience.
>Silat *is* a 'mma'; and there are a *lot* of very fit athletes that school
>in it.
>They just condition on their own time.
I prefer it that way myself. I have more than enough motivation to
work my strength and cardio on my own time...
Plus, I seem to collect my more annoying injuries during calisthenics
in class, rather than during training and sparring. I sure could do
without that.
Kallini
Gichoke
>>
>>Proper articulateness is a sign of the upper class.
>
>And then there are those of us who are both articulate, and neither
>pretentious nor frightened of scary words.
You are articulate.
AND you are not pretentious of scary words?
Are you sure?
Gi
Kallini
Did I fuck up my grammar again? Shit, back to my goddamn lower class
cursing.
Kallini
Mark Goldberg
Chas wrote:
> ...Yeah- the guys that have to worry about their hands or whether they came to
> work with a mouse or a split lip used to didn't even take martial art. Now,
> I allow everyone to seek their own level; they set their own practice
> schedule, we do no calesthenics- we train the techniques. They can warm up
> on their own time.
> --
> Chas
And I agree with you about the broad base and reaching to all levels. That's not the
problem: it's the ones who have no fighting, no fight training, and who've only
theorized about fighting from mere training exercises, and who pontificate endlessly
about long ago fighters of their styles, that needs correction.
I have no problem except that some internal stylists boast of skills that they can't
or won't
deliver except by boast or claim about someone 100 yrs ago who did.
Mark
Matthew Weigel
>>>And then there are those of us who are both articulate, and neither
>>>pretentious nor frightened of scary words.
>>
>>You are articulate.
>>AND you are not pretentious of scary words?
>>
>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Gi
>
>Did I fuck up my grammar again? Shit, back to my goddamn lower class
>cursing.
And then there are those articulate people, such as myself, who are
neither frightened by scary words, nor pretentious. Fuck.
Your grammar was "correct" but not articulate - there were multiple
meanings available.
If you need me, just call my name... "Pedantist"
Oliver Richman
> >> Gi has good technical advice and is generally insane.
> >
> >As am I.
>
> Nope. You don't offer good advice and you're annoying...there's a
> difference.
Yeah - idiots like you already know they can't attack people like gi, so
they attack a "newbie" like me, not realising I've been on this NG and
others for a very long time.. and that I am aware of their bullshit trolling
tactics.
Newsflash: I respond to your posts because I find your replies to mine very,
very funny due to the fact that they almost invariably contain no logical
argument, merely subjective personal opinion and tend to "label" things you
don't understand as being stupid, drivel, etc. regardless of their
historical or scientific accuraccy.
> > However, in a discussing of grappling and internal martial arts,
> >people from this culture are *far* more inclined to accept wrestling as
> >being superior.
>
> You mean because its field tested often? Yes, I'd say that they would
> be more inclined to accept wrestling as being superior.
Hmm, perhaps go and read the wrestling and tai chi post. Tai chi has been
field tested against wrestling (Or really I should say the other way around)
a very long time ago.
-frl
Oliver Richman
Perhaps
> > you should learn to relax and not jump on so many bandwagons.
> >
> > -frl
>
> Whatever fu-l. You were "shocked" that a moderator of rmam would
> "swear" or allow "swearing" on a moderated newsgroup - the moderators
> being "congress" in this case.
>
> I bet you're one of those "give up a little bit of liberty" retards
> too.
Pierre, let me tell you my views on this matter. Suck my dick, you
motherfucking retard, you ballsucking god damn bloody fucking asshole!!!!
You have absolutely no clue about the sociopolitical flow of events, the
moral decay of america, or anything.
>
> Pierre
Don Wagner
>Yeah - idiots like you already know they can't attack people like gi,
On what topic?
> so
>they attack a "newbie" like me, not realising I've been on this NG and
>others for a very long time.. and that I am aware of their bullshit trolling
>tactics.
Whup, whup, whooopie.
>Newsflash: I respond to your posts because I find your replies to mine very,
>very funny due to the fact that they almost invariably contain no logical
>argument, merely subjective personal opinion and tend to "label" things you
>don't understand as being stupid, drivel, etc. regardless of their
>historical or scientific accuraccy.
I respend to you because I have a running bet going on that I can get
you to continue to make a larger fool out of yourself then you already
have. It's a tough job, but I bring out the best in people. It's a
gift, really.
>Hmm, perhaps go and read the wrestling and tai chi post. Tai chi has been
>field tested against wrestling (Or really I should say the other way around)
>a very long time ago.
I read the fairy tales. Now get to a gym and test it for yourself.
Badger Jones
wrote:
S'funny, I thought you spelled it "Pederast."
Badger Jones
wrote:
Then again, Pierre is Canadian if I recall correctly.
Chas
> I have no problem except that some internal stylists boast of skills that they can't
> or won't
> deliver except by boast or claim about someone 100 yrs ago who did.
They were asked for historical antecedents showing a familiarity with
wrestling that dates before UFC or whatever.
Wrestling is *very heavily* emphasized in China; through the Takla Macan
into the Near East and so on- nothing startling about wrestlers.
I think the reason that people sometimes advance champions from years ago
is that you don't sign people up for fights. If I tell you that Chen Xiaou
Wang could whip (reigning UFC guy) pretty casually, there would be no way
to prove it and an embarrassment for Mr. Chen to boot.
NHB fighters are terrible adversaries (I would think, never having fought
in the octagon) and *any* art is going to have trouble- but they're not the
only trouble on the block.
Mike Ozanne
<badger...@deja.com> writes
>>If you need me, just call my name... "Pedantist"
>
>S'funny, I thought you spelled it "Pederast."
Don't laugh too hard. One of our Sunday rags started a campaign against
child molesters. Next thing is a gang turns up to burn this poor woman
out of here house. They'd heard she was a paediatrician.....
--
Mike Ozanne
Oliver Richman
news:20010808135831...@mb-mk.aol.com...
> > ptane...@consultant.com (Paul Tanenbaum)
>
> In terms of attaining your sperm perch within a female of examplary stock,
I
> agree.
> But I find crude in your face masculity (that swearing implies) allows
more
> change of reproducing with the myriad of trailer park hotties that
frequent the
> fringe of society.
> And these trollups outnumber the refined debutante by a sizeable margin.
> Quantity over quality you know?
>
> >Paul T. "That oughta convince him"
>
> Pffa...
> amatuer.
>
> Gi
> P.S. Fuck
Hehehe. Gichoke, aren't you worried about STDs? I've heard (not that I am
presenting this as any kind of EVIDENCE, mind you) that some strains of AIDS
have evolved to the point where they can pass through microholes/tears in
condoms.
-frl
Kallini
wrote:
>Kallini <ch...@kallini.com> wrote:
>
>>>>And then there are those of us who are both articulate, and neither
>>>>pretentious nor frightened of scary words.
>>>
>>>You are articulate.
>>>AND you are not pretentious of scary words?
>>>
>>>Are you sure?
>>>
>>>Gi
>>
>>Did I fuck up my grammar again? Shit, back to my goddamn lower class
>>cursing.
>
>And then there are those articulate people, such as myself, who are
>neither frightened by scary words, nor pretentious. Fuck.
>
>Your grammar was "correct" but not articulate - there were multiple
>meanings available.
Yeah. This is what getting a BFA will do to you.
I used to be so much more articulate... Then I started drawing pretty
pictures, and it all went downhill.
>If you need me, just call my name... "Pedantist"
Heh.
Kallini
Kallini
wrote:
>>Hmm, perhaps go and read the wrestling and tai chi post. Tai chi has been
>>field tested against wrestling (Or really I should say the other way around)
>>a very long time ago.
>
>I read the fairy tales. Now get to a gym and test it for yourself.
>--Don--
>Let me show you how the guards used to do it...
According to "Asian Fighting Arts", Yang Lu-ch'an (1800-1873) and his
son Yang Pan-hou (1838-1881) were both reported to have possessed the
power of levitation.
For some odd reason, I find these taiji histories mildly unreliable.
Kallini
Gichoke
>
>> Nope. You don't offer good advice and you're annoying...there's a
>> difference.
>
>Yeah - idiots like you already know they can't attack people like gi, so
>they attack a "newbie" like me, not realising I've been on this NG and
>others for a very long time.. and that I am aware of their bullshit trolling
>tactics.
You'd be surprised how liked I wasn't until you came back oliver.
Even trav and I weren't exactly playing the same tune.
You know what to do when guys blast you fu.
Listen closely... do anything but let them know it affected you by stating your
displeasure as you just did.
Just insult the guy, but in a cheerful way.
Or agree with the guy... say "Yeah I suck... like you mom sucks big black logs"
Somethin like that.
If you object to their barbs they will never stop throwing them, the first
thing you gotta do is realise that it doesnt matter one bit what any of us
think of you... this emotionally divests yourself from the fray and allows you
to have fun with it.
People will soon sense that you are a laidf back guy so there is no pint in
trying to piss you off.
Look at me...
I can be a TREMENDOUS asshole.
But people don't really get that mad at me.
They know it is pointless.
Gi
Gichoke
>
>> > It was a strong suggestion, not a motion of congress to create law.
>Perhaps
>> > you should learn to relax and not jump on so many bandwagons.
>> >
>> > -frl
>>
>> Whatever fu-l. You were "shocked" that a moderator of rmam would
>> "swear" or allow "swearing" on a moderated newsgroup - the moderators
>> being "congress" in this case.
>>
>> I bet you're one of those "give up a little bit of liberty" retards
>> too.
>
>Pierre, let me tell you my views on this matter. Suck my dick, you
>motherfucking retard, you ballsucking god damn bloody fucking asshole!!!!
>You have absolutely no clue about the sociopolitical flow of events, the
>moral decay of america, or anything.
>
Thats a good start.
Gi
Gichoke
>
>>>: Kallini ch...@kallini.com
>>
>>>>
>>>>Proper articulateness is a sign of the upper class.
>>>
>>>And then there are those of us who are both articulate, and neither
>>>pretentious nor frightened of scary words.
>>
>>You are articulate.
>>AND you are not pretentious of scary words?
>>
>>Are you sure?
>>
>>Gi
>
>Did I fuck up my grammar again? Shit, back to my goddamn lower class
>cursing.
I'm sorry for getting judgemental.
I am known to butcher the english language.
I just felt that if your gonna boast about being articulate, you ought to be
careful in the post.
Speaking of english..
What the hell is a squiff?
Gi
Oliver Richman
> >: "Oliver Richman"
> >
> >> Nope. You don't offer good advice and you're annoying...there's a
> >> difference.
> >
> >Yeah - idiots like you already know they can't attack people like gi, so
> >they attack a "newbie" like me, not realising I've been on this NG and
> >others for a very long time.. and that I am aware of their bullshit
trolling
> >tactics.
>
> You'd be surprised how liked I wasn't until you came back oliver.
> Even trav and I weren't exactly playing the same tune.
> You know what to do when guys blast you fu.
I certainly do. I have been called the most successful and devious troll in
the history of R.M-A .
> Listen closely... do anything but let them know it affected you by stating
your
> displeasure as you just did.
> Just insult the guy, but in a cheerful way.
> Or agree with the guy... say "Yeah I suck... like you mom sucks big black
logs"
> Somethin like that.
> If you object to their barbs they will never stop throwing them, the first
> thing you gotta do is realise that it doesnt matter one bit what any of us
> think of you... this emotionally divests yourself from the fray and allows
you
> to have fun with it.
Oh believe me, I've been having so much fun since I started posting again
that I even missed voyager tonight because I was so engrossed.
> People will soon sense that you are a laidf back guy so there is no pint
in
> trying to piss you off.
There is - I'll buy anyone a beer who can piss me off.
> Look at me...
> I can be a TREMENDOUS asshole.
> But people don't really get that mad at me.
> They know it is pointless.
That's why I am such a great troll. It is also my martial arts strategy.
"Appear weak, but in combat move like a ferocious tiger". I believe a woman
martial artist by the name of Yue Nu first said that.
-frl
Gichoke
>
>> agree.
>> But I find crude in your face masculity (that swearing implies) allows
>more
>> change of reproducing with the myriad of trailer park hotties that
>frequent the
>> fringe of society.
>> And these trollups outnumber the refined debutante by a sizeable margin.
>> Quantity over quality you know?
>>
>> >Paul T. "That oughta convince him"
>>
>> Pffa...
>> amatuer.
>>
>> Gi
>> P.S. Fuck
>
>Hehehe. Gichoke, aren't you worried about STDs?
Nope.Im chaste.
And I rasrely share needles with street walkers anymore.
> I've heard (not that I am
>presenting this as any kind of EVIDENCE, mind you) that some strains of AIDS
>have evolved to the point where they can pass through microholes/tears in
>condoms.
in the USA most women dying from an STDs are dying from human papaloma virus
(or whatever its called), and this virus is only marginally affected by a
condom.
The media just doesnt want people being moral.
It strengthens families and makes people less dependent on the state, and
harder to program.
Gi
RobRPM2222
Ask Larry Gonick. I got it from his "Cartoon History of the Universe, Vol. 1-7"
Dictionaries aren't showing anything, so it could be a neologism.
Oliver Richman
news:20010809002255...@mb-mo.aol.com...
> >What the hell is a squiff?
to have "slipped your squiff" is of the same linguistic construct of
"missing a few screws" or "not playing with a full deck". No one knows what
it is supposed to mean exactly, but it implies *something has gone horribly
wrong in there and no one stopped the robots before they started killing
people*.
-frl
Matthew Weigel
>Yeah. This is what getting a BFA will do to you.
Doh! BFA? Shit, whenever you get around to the rma shirts (after
Gartin), sell 'em for $30 - you probably need it.
>I used to be so much more articulate... Then I started drawing pretty
>pictures, and it all went downhill.
Hey... just keep on working until you get your MFA. Friend of mine did,
and the money didn't get better, but the awards from competitions did
;-)
Kallini
Hoist on my own petard, as it were.
No worries, I deserved it for trying to be a smartass. If I couldn't
take it, I wouldn't be dishing it.
>Speaking of english..
>What the hell is a squiff?
Y'know, I was wondering that myself.
In any case, I need to go hang myself for referencing Shakespeare in a
conversation.
Kallini
Kallini
wrote:
>Kallini <ch...@kallini.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah. This is what getting a BFA will do to you.
>
>Doh! BFA? Shit, whenever you get around to the rma shirts (after
>Gartin), sell 'em for $30 - you probably need it.
That's for sure.
Admittedly, my BFA concentration was Graphic Design, which actually
gives me a practical set of job skills for a field that actually pays
pretty well, but I'm not terribly fond of design, and I'm stubborn to
a fault. I'm doing my damndest to make it as an illustrator, in what's
probably the lowest paying segment of the illustration field as well.
>>I used to be so much more articulate... Then I started drawing pretty
>>pictures, and it all went downhill.
>
>Hey... just keep on working until you get your MFA. Friend of mine did,
>and the money didn't get better, but the awards from competitions did
>;-)
I've considered the MFA, even looked at the program the School of the
Museum of Fine Arts in Boston offers, but I figured my time'd be
better spent actually drawing and trying to get a job instead. The
thought of spending at least another 2 years in school terrifies me.
Took me 8.5 years just to get my damn BFA. Well, 5 years once I
finally settled on it, after 2 school transfers and 2 changes of
major...
Long story.
In any case, I don't think there's a single professor I had who'd give
me a reference for my MFA program application anyway... I was never
exactly on the best of terms with my studio art teachers.
Kallini
Richard F. Man
Kallini wrote:...
>
> According to "Asian Fighting Arts", Yang Lu-ch'an (1800-1873) and his
> son Yang Pan-hou (1838-1881) were both reported to have possessed the
> power of levitation.
>
> For some odd reason, I find these taiji histories mildly unreliable.
>
> Kallini
Or may be you should treat THAT particular book as unreliable source of
information.
--
// richard
http://www.imagecraft.com
Kallini
<ric...@imagecraft.com> wrote:
>
>
>Kallini wrote:...
>
>>
>> According to "Asian Fighting Arts", Yang Lu-ch'an (1800-1873) and his
>> son Yang Pan-hou (1838-1881) were both reported to have possessed the
>> power of levitation.
>>
>> For some odd reason, I find these taiji histories mildly unreliable.
>>
>> Kallini
>
>Or may be you should treat THAT particular book as unreliable source of
>information.
Draeger didn't invent these histories.
Kallini
Kirk Lawson
Mike Ozanne wrote:
> >S'funny, I thought you spelled it "Pederast."
>
> Don't laugh too hard. One of our Sunday rags started a campaign against
> child molesters. Next thing is a gang turns up to burn this poor woman
> out of here house. They'd heard she was a paediatrician.....
Good Lord! *Please* tell me you're jesting!
That would be even worse then our "niggardly" gaff.
Peace favor your sword
--
"...it's the nature of the media and the participants. A herd of martial
artists gets together and a fight breaks out; quelle suprise."
-Chas Speaking of Rec.Martial-Arts
Badger Jones
>If you object to their barbs they will never stop throwing them, the first
>thing you gotta do is realise that it doesnt matter one bit what any of us
>think of you... this emotionally divests yourself from the fray and allows you
>to have fun with it.
Oh, if only Tim Greer had clued in to that one.
Kirk Lawson
> *something has gone horribly
> wrong in there and no one stopped the robots before they started killing
> people*.
Yul Brynner looks good in black. But I liked his character better in the
classic American remake "The Magnificent Seven."
Pierre Honeyman
I gotta agree with Gi on this one. Seems Oliver found himself a sense
of humour. Good.
Pierre
Don Wagner
>According to "Asian Fighting Arts", Yang Lu-ch'an (1800-1873) and his
>son Yang Pan-hou (1838-1881) were both reported to have possessed the
>power of levitation.
Hoisted on their own petards, perhaps?
>For some odd reason, I find these taiji histories mildly unreliable.
>
>Kallini
I like the direct, conversational quotes between people and witnesses.
...all brought to us through oral tradition before hitting the paper.
Yes, there are great oral traditionals among some people, but somehow
the TC fairy tales don't fit the bill.
I'll be off levitating now like Dr. Strange.
Don Wagner
>information.
I treat anyone who uses fairy tales as an unreliable source of
information other then on the topic of myth and legend.
The main case in point of the Great Ollie Hub-Bub is easily tested.
You think TC has effective skills grappling? Go to the gym and test
it with a groundfighter. No fairy tales, just do it.
Daniel Winsor - HESE
>Oliver Richman wrote:
>
>> *something has gone horribly
>> wrong in there and no one stopped the robots before they started killing
>> people*.
>
>Yul Brynner looks good in black. But I liked his character better in the
>classic American remake "The Magnificent Seven."
I want a remake with the robots running on MIIS and MSExchange and have an
Outlook virus causing the "problem."
---
Dan Winsor
Kirk Lawson
> >> *something has gone horribly
> >> wrong in there and no one stopped the robots before they started killing
> >> people*.
> >
> >Yul Brynner looks good in black. But I liked his character better in the
> >classic American remake "The Magnificent Seven."
>
> I want a remake with the robots running on MIIS and MSExchange and have an
> Outlook virus causing the "problem."
Shush. You've just ruined 4 years of MS R&D secrecy. :P
TravIsGod
> Matthew Weigel
I thought it was "pederast."
Trav
Chas
> >If you need me, just call my name... "Pedantist"
Oh good one, Trav-
wonder why no one thought of that scintillating gem of wit already-
How *do* you come up with these bons mots?
--
Chas
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Mike Ozanne
<NO_lklaw...@heapy.com> writes
>
>Mike Ozanne wrote:
>
>> >S'funny, I thought you spelled it "Pederast."
>>
>> Don't laugh too hard. One of our Sunday rags started a campaign against
>> child molesters. Next thing is a gang turns up to burn this poor woman
>> out of here house. They'd heard she was a paediatrician.....
>
>Good Lord! *Please* tell me you're jesting!
I wish :-(
--
Mike Ozanne
Oliver Richman
believed me.
There will always be people who refuse to believe until you kick the shit
out of them. Until you do, the best you will ever get out of them is "I
won't say it CAN'T happen, just I haven't seen it yet" and then use that
statement to justify any missiles they choose to fire.
-frl
"Don Wagner" <dawa...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:3b72a9b1....@news.erols.com...
Oliver Richman
>
> I like the direct, conversational quotes between people and witnesses.
> ...all brought to us through oral tradition before hitting the paper.
Dude! All those storied took place in the 1900s, many, many years after the
invention of ink and paper.
> Yes, there are great oral traditionals among some people, but somehow
> the TC fairy tales don't fit the bill.
And your reason for believing the 3 stories I posted must be false is what?
Because they're about Taijiquan?
So any amount of evidence I propose would be discounted by you in such a
fashion? Wow, I hope you never turn evil and try to kill me and steal my
gold. It's probably best if I let you sleep in ignorance.
-frl
Oliver Richman
> > Thats a good start.
> >
> > Gi
>
> I gotta agree with Gi on this one. Seems Oliver found himself a sense
> of humour. Good.
>
> Pierre
Sigh.. when will they ever learn.
-frl