Champion Kickboxer Defeats Heavier BJJ'er Via High Kicks!
HntrRos
Truly, this is the first example of anti-grappling at its best, in action;
Maurice Smith, "heavyweight champion of the world" in kickboxing
and muy thai, was the matador, and "Conan" Silviera was the bull.
Smith was able to keep the significantly larger Conan at bay nearly
the entire fight- blocking, dodging, kicking low, kicking high, punching
now and again- slipping away from all but one of Silviera's clinches or
attempted clinches (and in that one instance swiftly reversing Conan
into a guard position beneath). In the end it was a masterful roundhouse
kick to the temple which spelled the BJJ behemoth's sundry end.
Spectacular!
Play by play:
For the main of it, Conan shot in and Maurice shot back, an uppercut
and a kick firing in the aftermath of the shoot- and many more kicks,
indeed! Silviera developed a welt on his left leg from the accumulation
of blows. The one successful clinch and near-mount was defeated as
Smith reversed and landed in Conan's guard, striking incessantly,
and Silviera's only other shining moment in the bout- a score of
uppercuts-
impotised by Smith's superb defensive coverage and devastating
kicks to the body, backed by shots to the face, and finalised in a series
of expertly-explayed Thai leg strikes. The final blow came in the third
round, catching Conan completely off guard and sending him reeling
back against the fence, utterly disoriented- out on his feet!
This one bout justified the entire event, and if you've not yet viewed EFC
3,
I suggest you do so ASAP.
Perhaps we truly haven't seen the best and the brightest of the striking
world in NHB tournies yet...
(A few other interesting bouts:
Ralph vs. Kempo artist - Very exciting, if the outcome was somewhat
predictable
Paulson vs. Humes - Humes wins a fairly close match, with superior strikes
& inferior grappling- fight stopped due to deep cut from strike to
forehead in
clinch
Vale vs. Japanese Judoka - Much smaller Judoka dominates standing
and on the ground, though Vale does manage to rise his feet; however-
and this is the borderline absurd aspect- the Judoka knocks him out
with a plethora of strikes, simple boxing! )
Ben Holmes
HntrRos (hnt...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> Vale vs. Japanese Judoka - Much smaller Judoka dominates standing
> and on the ground, though Vale does manage to rise his feet; however-
> and this is the borderline absurd aspect- the Judoka knocks him out
> with a plethora of strikes, simple boxing! )
>
*Judoka* using a strike, that they'll demote him to white belt. How
*dare* a Judoka use a strike! Why, that's as absurd as a p/k'er knowing
what to do on the ground! We'll probably find out that this shady
charactor has been sneaking around to a Karate dojo on the sly. Give me
this so called *Judoka's* name, and I'll make sure he's blacklisted from
any Judo events.
HntrRos
Ben Holmes (bnho...@rain.org) writes:
:Oh my! I'm sure that as soon as the Kodokan hear's about this so called
:*Judoka* using a strike, that they'll demote him to white belt. How
:*dare* a Judoka use a strike! Why, that's as absurd as a p/k'er knowing
:what to do on the ground!
No- it's as silly as a p/k'er blowing away a grappler on the ground. : )
(I for one don't normally expect the small grappler to outbox the large
kickboxer...)
Ben Holmes
HntrRos (hnt...@aol.com) wrote:
> No- it's as silly as a p/k'er blowing away a grappler on the ground. : )
>
> (I for one don't normally expect the small grappler to outbox the large
> kickboxer...)
Well, I can agree with that! Sorry for the satire, I just couldn't
resist! But I've always been of the opinion that the person's art doesn't
mean nearly as much as many people believe, rather, that it is the person
himself... his fighting spirit, his ability to use whatever techniques he
knows effectively, and so on... As a Judoka, *I* wouldn't try outboxing a
kickboxer, so I would be forced to agree with your last sentence!!
Roland Lee
Ben Holmes (bnho...@rain.org) wrote:
Don't Judoka learn atemi-waza from the traditional Kodokan katas? If so,
at what level do they begin learning them?
--
Roland S. Lee
Materials Science and Engineering
University of Pennsylvania
rl...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
Well, I've been called a coward, but I've seen two world wars
And I lost my son Virgil, my Korean reward
And my Lucy died last summer - you ask me if I cry?
Hell, I'll show you tears, they're all over this ground
They're falling from these blue Alberta skies
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mulrc7
Depends on the school, and the emphasis placed on katas. Frequently not
until black belt level, and, in some cases, not at all.
Ben Holmes
mulrc7 (mul...@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu) wrote:
> >Roland Lee wrote:
> > Don't Judoka learn atemi-waza from the traditional Kodokan katas? If so,
> > at what level do they begin learning them?
>
> until black belt level, and, in some cases, not at all.
How true! And I wouldn't be stupid enough to try my weakness against
another's strength. The *average* Judoka has close to non-existant
striking skills. Just as the average Karateka has close to non-existant
grappling skills... it's not really a reflection on the art, as many
think. There are simply not enough years in my life to become more than
mildly skillful in striking: I've spent many years learning different
methods of throwing/pinning/armbars/chokes, and have come to the point
where it's overwhelming what I *don't* know about throwing/pinning/armbars
and chokes... How I could possibly match the skill of someone else who has
spent an equivalent amount of time & effort in learning striking,
distancing, combinations, blocking, and kicks? I spent a few days in the
gym once with a USMC W.O. who worked with me and showed me the skill
involved with boxing. I was greatly impressed with the knowledge he
demonstrated, solid technique... I'm not talking about skill... he showed
me that even boxing has a solid basis of knowledge, how much more could a
good Karateka demonstrate?
Florin Cutu
In article <54hita$h...@news.rain.org>,
bnho...@rain.org (Ben Holmes) writes:
>I was greatly impressed with the knowledge he
>demonstrated, solid technique... I'm not talking about skill... he showed
>me that even boxing has a solid basis of knowledge, how much more could a
>good Karateka demonstrate?
>
A "good Karateka" would be knocked out fast even by a very average boxer.
Karate handwork is very foolish, leaves huge openings and is very
telegraphed. Also, footwork is almost non-exsistant, and there is no head
movement. It's just plain silly.
Roland Lee
Florin Cutu (flo...@psyborg.cog.brown.edu) wrote:
: In article <54hita$h...@news.rain.org>,
: bnho...@rain.org (Ben Holmes) writes:
In head movement, I take it you mean bobbing and ducking. Smart in a box-
ing ring but pretty dumb when the other guy can grab your head and drive
your nose two inches into your skull with his knee.
As for Karate, which style are you referring to? There are several different
styles of Karate.
But I do agree that the average boxer would ring the average Karateka's
bell.
Florin Cutu
In article <54j45r$u...@netnews.upenn.edu>,
rl...@blue.seas.upenn.edu (Roland Lee ) writes:
>
>In head movement, I take it you mean bobbing and ducking. Smart in a box-
>ing ring but pretty dumb when the other guy can grab your head and drive
>your nose two inches into your skull with his knee.
Ducking, no, you're right. But at least some lateral head movement is
necessary, because a moving target is much harder to hit. So are karateka
taught to bob? or to move permanently ? How is their footwork? Pretty rigid,
right?
>As for Karate, which style are you referring to? There are several
>different styles of Karate.
Well, I've seen only guys doing shotokan drills. But I've sparred with a
kung-fu and also a TKD guy, and I'm sure that all these arts are very
similar - especially when compared to boxing
Paolo Valladolid
Roland Lee (rl...@blue.seas.upenn.edu) wrote:
: Don't Judoka learn atemi-waza from the traditional Kodokan katas? If so,
: at what level do they begin learning them?
Interestingly enough, there is a description of punching drills towards
the end of the book _Kodokan Judo_, by Jigoro Kano, with photographs of
a judoka demonstrating the drills. There is also a chart of preferred
body targets (not to be confused with "death-touch"-type points).
Paolo
The Creeper
> and on the ground, though Vale does manage to rise his feet; however-
> and this is the borderline absurd aspect- the Judoka knocks him out
> with a plethora of strikes, simple boxing! )
practice atemi-waza. But I am happy that we are getting better and
better strikers out there in these competitions. I am a grappler, but I
practice with people who are primarily strikers, and have been shown
more than once the practicallity of having good striking abilities.
Respectfully yours,
Creeper
Roland Lee
Paolo Valladolid (pval...@waynesworld.ucsd.edu) wrote:
: Paolo
Yeah, I flipped through the same book and noticed the chart with the
body's vulnerable spots plus striking surfaces. I was just wondering if
the average judoka even practiced this, since most of the practice of
atemi-waza seems to be confined to kata which from what I've gathered seems
to be a dying practice nowadays.