Brue lee vs Roberto Duran in their prime
John Carlo
proven fighter then Brue lee ever thought of being----duran was a feared
streetfighter in panama before he even became a boxer, he also knocked
out a horse with one punch---duran could match bruce in strength, speed
,power -things bruce was learning about boxing to put in his JKD style
would of been taught to him by roberto with and old fashioned boxing
lesson
Felix Rosado
John is right. It's not fair to compare an amateur AT BOXING
like Bruce Lee with a WORLD-CLASS professional Roberto Duran.
Duran could hit hard with either hand, fought the best in his
division, and had an incredible defense. He could box, he could
bang, and he absolutely had an iron will.
Against Bruce Lee, in a boxing ring, with boxing rules, Duran
would knock Lee out within fifteen rounds.
Out on the street, Duran's chances go down considerably,
especially if you think about their prime would be about 1972
for both fighters. At that time, Duran would probably have
never seen anything like Bruce Lee. He would have no defense
against stuff he's never encountered before.
But hey, on this newsgroup, Bruce Lee could outfight armies,
walk on water, and speak fluent Sanskrit. He could have
beaten Cassius Clay with one arm tied behind his back and
hopping on one leg. Blind-folded.
;-)
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John Carlo <ama...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Bruce would of got wacked ---duran at 135 was a better, meaner more
> proven fighter then Brue lee ever thought of being----duran was a feared
> streetfighter in panama before he even became a boxer,
he also knocked
> out a horse with one punch---
What was it, a Shetland pony?
Bob
JimS
says...
>
>On Wed, 8 Mar 2000, John Carlo wrote:
>
>> proven fighter then Brue lee ever thought of being----duran was a feared
>> streetfighter in panama before he even became a boxer, he also knocked
>> ,power -things bruce was learning about boxing to put in his JKD style
>> would of been taught to him by roberto with and old fashioned boxing
>> lesson
>>
>
> John is right. It's not fair to compare an amateur AT BOXING
> like Bruce Lee with a WORLD-CLASS professional Roberto Duran.
> Duran could hit hard with either hand, fought the best in his
> division, and had an incredible defense. He could box, he could
> bang, and he absolutely had an iron will.
> Against Bruce Lee, in a boxing ring, with boxing rules, Duran
> would knock Lee out within fifteen rounds.
Sure, let's speculate some more on imagined bouts :-))).
You guys know that one guy who frustrated Duran several times (Sugar Ray Leonard) was a
Bruce Lee fan, don't you? Probably not. Ray had some sweet hands himself, and he credited
Bruce with some early combo inspiration. I always enjoyed watching Ray box; and he was smart
enough to figure out how to negate a stronger puncher. Bruce would have been much the same.
Intelligence in the ring. Duran vs. Ray? Duran was a brawler; Ray was a boxer.
Classic matchup of different styles.
Duran vs. Bruce? I'd give Duran the nod on hands and the toughness part.
Ability to block kicks? Bruce would do some serious damage. He was much quicker, too.
Outside boxing rules, Bruce wouldn't have had much difficulty putting Duran away, IMHO.
And I'm not a huge B. L. fan as much as many of you guys are.
JS
Chas
> Outside boxing rules, Bruce wouldn't have had much difficulty putting Duran away, IMHO.
> And I'm not a huge B. L. fan as much as many of you guys are.
It's like comparing Andre Agassi and Remy Presas; on the tennis court,
Andre reigns- in fighting with clubs, he is going to ride the pipe.
Games is games.
You fight the way you train- if you train for a restricted contest,
that's what you're best at.
Chas
headrush
: Bruce would of got wacked ---duran at 135 was a better, meaner more
: proven fighter then Brue lee ever thought of being----duran was a feared
: streetfighter in panama before he even became a boxer, he also knocked
: out a horse with one punch---duran could match bruce in strength, speed
: ,power -things bruce was learning about boxing to put in his JKD style
: would of been taught to him by roberto with and old fashioned boxing
: lesson
Knocked out a horse? I bet he didn't try that when he was standing
behind the horse or he would be killed from the horse kick.
Duran was a great boxer but that is very limiting. Unless he could
fight with more tools then he's vulnerable to other types of attack.
A good Muay Thai fighter would kick his legs until he couldn't stand.
A good submission grappler would shoot in and choke him.
headrush
many women that are a lot hotter than she is. That said....I think
Bruce would have kicked her ass on grass, dirt or clay.
påulfuey (paul...@hotmail.com) wrote:
: What about Bruce Lee versus Anna Kournikova? Bruce would easily be
: distracted by Anna's beauty & grace and would get his ass wupped ;-)
: Chas wrote in message <38C9453D...@home.com>...
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headrush <head...@lava.net> wrote in message >
>
>
> Knocked out a horse? I bet he didn't try that when he was standing
> behind the horse or he would be killed from the horse kick.
>
Actually my wife tells me it's quite easy to knock out a horse if you hit it
on a certain spot just above the eyes, something to do with jarring its
brain I think. Very dangerous for the horse, as it tries to get up again it
can break its own leg.
Why a boxer would want to punch a horse out I don't know - is it supposed to
impress people? Is this story from the same stable (ouch!) as the "killing a
bull with one punch" tales?
Bob
X
>something to do with jarring its
>brain I think. Very dangerous for the horse, as it tries to get up again it
>can break its own leg.
That is the mane way to do it. It tends to stirrup the horses' senses.
>Why a boxer would want to punch a horse out I don't know - is it supposed
to
>impress people?
It hurts my po' knees just thinking about it!!
-X
KAYKAY1215
Gichoke
>Date: 3/11/00 11:17 AM EST
>Message-id: <8adrj6$9rr$1...@mochi.lava.net>
>
>I don't understand the swooning over Anna. She ain't bad but there's so
>many women that are a lot hotter than she is.
Spoken like a fag.
Gi
Gichoke
>Date: 3/11/00 1:14 PM EST
>Message-id: <8ae1jk$1gfh$1...@quince.news.easynet.net>
>
>
>headrush <head...@lava.net> wrote in message >
>>
>>
>> Knocked out a horse? I bet he didn't try that when he was standing
>> behind the horse or he would be killed from the horse kick.
>>
>
>Actually my wife tells me it's quite easy to knock out a horse if you hit it
>brain I think.
Your wife has some very strange interests.
Gi
Martialis
>DURAN WOULD KILL HIM
Kill who? The pony?
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Gichoke <gic...@aol.com> wrote in message >
> Your wife has some very strange interests.
Aside from me? She picked that one up from blacksmiths.
Belive me, any woman who can control a 16+ hand raging stallion I ain't
going to argue with........
And all that riding gear looks kinda nice.........
Rob
Mike
wrote:
>Bruce would of got wacked ---duran at 135 was a better, meaner more
>proven fighter then Brue lee ever thought of being----
Bruce Lee was never even really a proven fighter. "Fighting" in
choreographed films is different than fighting for real in a ring.
But then again, nobody really knows who would've won.
headrush
: > head...@lava.net (headrush)
: Spoken like a fag.
: Gi
You should know.
JimS
>
>JimS wrote:
>> Outside boxing rules, Bruce wouldn't have had much difficulty putting Duran away, IMHO.
>> And I'm not a huge B. L. fan as much as many of you guys are.
>
>It's like comparing Andre Agassi and Remy Presas; on the tennis court,
>Andre reigns- in fighting with clubs, he is going to ride the pipe.
>Games is games.
>You fight the way you train- if you train for a restricted contest,
>that's what you're best at.
>Chas
Agreed.
However, I think a lot of boxers come from a really rough background anyway (let's face it,
boxing ain't an upper-class sport). Look at Mike Tyson or Duran. Good streetfighters, have the
brawling mentality. I don't think they'd have much trouble picking up a a more complete package
with more MA training. Along this line, Bill Wallace once sparred with Tommy Hearns, and his
assessment of a world-class boxer was: stay away from the hands, but I could murder him with
kicks. And so you have it.
But even within the rules, it's instructive how a more intelligent fighter can make a brawler
look bad. Classic examples are Sugar Ray vs. Duran or Marvin Hagler; or Tyson vs. Holyfield.
Heck, even Ali vs. the early George Foreman. To get back to Bruce Lee, I think his tactics
intelligence would have helped him against maybe a fighter with stronger hands. Too bad he
was so little; size does matter when contact is the main element. For his size, though...
My two cents.
JS
Gichoke
>Date: 3/13/00 0:58 AM EST
>Message-id: <8ai01q$fs8$1...@mochi.lava.net>
Yup.
I got gaydar.
Gi
John Carlo
aginst the submission guy if he wacks him on the chin he goes to sleep
so what is your point----and by the way if duran fist fights with joe
frazier he gets mauled
but what you forget duran was a master dirty fighter look what he pulled
off in the ring---davey moore duran thumbed him so bad his eye swelled
shut-or the first suger ray fight every time duran had him against the
ropes he would drop a knee to rays thigh after while throwing a right
all the while making it look like he was just stepping in to close, ray
legs where like jello after the 3 round
headrush
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