Is Gary Lam Wing Chun In Monterey Park, California Any Good ??
WannabeSomeone
I found this Wing Chun training course in Monterey Park, California, near
Los Angeles run by Sifu Gary Lam of (Yip Man)/(Wong Shun Leung) lineage.
This is the link: http://www.garylamwingchun.com/training.html
He offers an intensive one month 6 hours per day training course for U.S.$
1,500. I have bought some of his Wing Chun DVDs and he seems to be quite
authentic. I plan to take one month vacation to take his intensive training
course. Has anyone learned from Sifu Gary Lam who can give me some advice if
he is any good?
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Excerpt from the web:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LEVEL ONE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
Sifu Lam is now offering an intensive one month training course for those
students that cannot attend regular classes at his training center in
Monterey Park. The program will include 6 hours of personal instruction per
day. Modest semi-private accommodations are available, students will have to
provide there own meals.
The time to completion can be spread out over several months and the program
overall can be tailored to meet the students individual needs. Beginners to
martial arts are welcome, the course is designed for all levels of
practitioners.
The course includes learning the Crossing Hand system techniques (striking),
with an introduction to the other systems of Pushing, Pulling, Footwork and
Closing (standing grappling). The entire set of the Muk Yan Jong form
(wooded dummy) is also taught, this includes learning the usage of each
movement in detail.
The Level One certification will be awarded upon completion of the course.
Cost is $1,500.00
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gama
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/index.php
The wing chun as well as the other kung fu styles forums are pretty active.
Just a thought.
Gama
On 4/21/05 9:02 PM, in article F2Y9e.8893$9G.6...@news20.bellglobal.com,
Kevin Lowe
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> I found this Wing Chun training course in Monterey Park, California, near
> Los Angeles run by Sifu Gary Lam of (Yip Man)/(Wong Shun Leung) lineage.
> This is the link: http://www.garylamwingchun.com/training.html
>
> He offers an intensive one month 6 hours per day training course for U.S.$
> 1,500. I have bought some of his Wing Chun DVDs and he seems to be quite
> authentic.
Depends what you want. If you want a one-month authentic wing chun
camp, you'll probably get it.
If you want to learn to fight, I'm not aware of any evidence that wing
chun as it is taught today isn't complete arse. Nor will a one month
camp have long term benefits. So if that's what you're after you are
much better off doing one of the usual arts we recommend around here
(BJJ, boxing, muay thai, judo etc) two or three days a week.
> Excerpt from the web:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> LEVEL ONE CERTIFICATION PROGRAM
Okay, that's a warning sign. "Certification". What the hell you are
certified to be capable of after one month I don't know, but I bet you
are paying a bundle for that certificate.
> Modest semi-private accommodations are available,
What does that mean? I'm guessing a dorm of some sort.
> Beginners to
> martial arts are welcome, the course is designed for all levels of
> practitioners.
This is crap. There is no such thing as a course designed for all
levels of practitioners in anything, especially not martial arts. There
is no way a beginner can catch up to an experienced MAist in a month.
> The Level One certification will be awarded upon completion of the course.
> Cost is $1,500.00
$1500 for 180 hours of training plus a month's accomodation is a good
deal by some standards. Then again, you can train a lot of judo for
$1500.
I guess it's no more a ripoff that regular wing chun training and
grading and whatnot. If you like that sort of thing, go for it, you'll
probably enjoy it.
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.
WannabeSomeone
"Kevin Lowe" <m...@private.net> wrote in message
news:me-8BEB20.23...@news01.comindico.com.au...
> > Depends what you want. If you want a one-month authentic wing chun
> camp, you'll probably get it.
>
> If you want to learn to fight, I'm not aware of any evidence that wing
> chun as it is taught today isn't complete arse. Nor will a one month
> camp have long term benefits. So if that's what you're after you are
> much better off doing one of the usual arts we recommend around here
> (BJJ, boxing, muay thai, judo etc) two or three days a week.
>
I thought of BJJ and Muay Thai too, I know where to find them locally. I
will take up some BJJ and Muay eventually. I believe BJJ and Muay Thai
techniques are straight forward like TKD and Karake. Most schools can teach
them well.
BJJ and Muay Thai are hot because of UFC. The rules in the rink do not
favour Wing Chun but I think genuine Wing Chun skill will have the upper
hand in street fights.
Wing Chun and some other Chinese arts are tricky. It is not easy to find
good schools for it. I have been learning Wing Tsun for more than a year.
The instructor seems to slow the progress so that you will go for private
lessons. Some comments I heard was that they are money grabbers. BJJ and
most other techniques are quite straight forward. All you have to put in is
time and hard work, so it is not easy to squeeze private lesson money out of
you.
If I don't get any feedback from someone who have learned from Sifu Gary
Lam, or someone who knows someone who has, I will try to post it in
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/index.php in a few days, just like
"Gama" suggested.
Thanks to both "Kevin Lowe" and "Gama" so far.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
WannabeSomeone
"Gama" <noe...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BE8E62F1.30FD4%noe...@hotmail.com...
> You might want to try posting this in the wing chun forums here:
>
> http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/index.php
>
> The wing chun as well as the other kung fu styles forums are pretty
> active.
> Just a thought.
>
> Gama
>
>
Thank you for taking time to reply and offer your advice. Please see my
reply to "Kevin Lowe".
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Gama
opinions here, but because it's very likely someone over there has studied
with Gary Lam and will be able to give you a first hand account of what it's
like. Let us know how it goes, whatever it is you decide to do for that
month.
Best,
Gama
On 4/22/05 3:06 PM, in article kXbae.10294$9G.7...@news20.bellglobal.com,
Fraser Johnston
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:cRbae.10228$9G.7...@news20.bellglobal.com...
> I thought of BJJ and Muay Thai too, I know where to find them locally. I
> will take up some BJJ and Muay eventually. I believe BJJ and Muay Thai
> techniques are straight forward like TKD and Karake. Most schools can
> teach them well.
>
> BJJ and Muay Thai are hot because of UFC. The rules in the rink do not
> favour Wing Chun but I think genuine Wing Chun skill will have the upper
> hand in street fights.
Which rules? Why?
Fraser
xiaou2
> Which rules? Why?
>
> Fraser
Wing Chun is not a sport art.. Its life and death within a
2 seconds or less.
One major attack a WC guy will do is to let out a
'no shadow kick' (so fast it leaved no shadow. kinda
like a jab punch - but with the power of the leg)
The low leg kick will be aimed at the attackers legs,
usually the knee. If done right, it will take the guy
down and incapacitate him for the lease of 5 minutes. Worst
case = broken leg or knee.
Its almost impossible to block because of its speed... yet
its power is like than of getting hit by a cannonball.
Other things WC can not do in a sport fight:
- Thrusting Fingers attacks. Usually to soft tissues areas
(eyes, throat, ect)
- Death Touch Punches. A punch so strong as to cause internal damages.
Wc trains for sick power in punches. Even with the padded gloves, its
very possible deaths or very intense permanate damages would result from
these strikes.
I had trained in WC a short time... and I see this guy wearing a
JKD uniform in the mall. I was at work, and asked him if he
could demonstrate his 1" punch. He had me pull out a 4" thick
phone book, and pop it in front of my chest. With 1 knuckle extended
and touching the book, he quickly snapped and struck it.
The force was so intense and painfull... that I was in shock. While
I myself could preform it - I never trained as hard and didnt have
that kinda of power!
My whole chest area - a big 8" circle... was litterally ON FIRE!
And this burning intense pain didnt go away for 4 HOURS DURRATION!!!
If this guy had drew back any more than 1" - he would had
destroyed me internally. I Imagine if there were no phonebook
protection... wow. And Imagine the power from a fully draw back
fist?!
A true WC master who trained well would not participate in these
crap a$$ 'ultimate fighter' competitions... because a true WC guy
knows that to win, you must not compromise technique. So, you
must use the techniques that are deadly... and that is just poor
morality. Its just not right to seriously permanently injure or
kill a person in the name of Prooving himself or his art.
If you know you how deadly you are... and are confident in ability
to cripple or kill with a single strike.. you do not feel you
have to proove it either.
However, there was One time when I was very young into the art,
and did feel I needed to proove myself.
There was this guy who did Kook Sool Wan, a korean art like
tae kwan do mixed with some kungfu. He was a Big guy
built like a house. His legs were like tree trunks, arms
thick and muscle always 'on'. Pure power and Mass.
We met and soon started to sparr. In sparring, he would
use his mass and strength against me, as I was very skinny
and a Lot less muscle.
When close, I would pummel him with punches and low kicks to
the knee... but I wouldnt apply power to my leg strikes.. as
I didnt want to hurt him. The padding dulled my punches, and
yet, I also never gave anywhere near full power on them either.
So, after the hits... he would tackle me to the ground. Id
complain and tell him that he never would have gotten to
tackle me if I had put power into those strikes. Yet, every
time, he thought he was invincible, and never believed me.
One time, I got fed up.. and decided to give him a little
taste of what I could really do.
We get into the ready position.. other friend yells
"fight".. and the guy takes one quick step twords me.
I throw a lightning fast low leg kick right below his
knee.. and this time, I add some Power snap to it. Not
a lot.. but enough to be felt!
He drops down to the ground, grabs his leg while crying
in tears. Hes there crying and rubbing his leg on the
ground for a good five minutes. Somehow.. he gets back up
slowly, and is able to walk still... tho is not the same.
I appologize perfusely, and feel incredibly guilty.
Opon seeing him go down... I thought I may have shattered
his leg... and man, that was scarry. Felt better than
he was able to still walk (err, hobble).. but vowed never
to use that kind of power again. Never to have to proove
myself at the expense of anothers limbs.
I hadnt seen him again for about 3 months. Opon
running into him... he reminded me of the event..
and said that when he got home, he was in so
much pain that he couldnt stand, and had to take like
a bottle worth of advils.
He said he couldnt walk right for weeks... and since
his wife was overprotective of him, and if saw him
hurt, would ban him from martial arts.. he had to Hide
it! Holding his blatter untill she walked out of the
room.. he crawled on all 4s up the stairs chanting...
"im gona kill him" each step :) lol
I appologized once again... and he said no. He said
'thank you'! Because I had taught him to be more
respectfull of techniques.. and to be more aware of
his legs.
Anyways... It always burns me to see these UFC
guys who claim to be 'ultimate' fighters... and
label themselves as Martial artist. Thats a joke.
These guys have so little martial skill compared to
a real martial artist that its sickening. A real master
could take on every one of them in one setting, killing them
in a matter of seconds. Ultimate Fighters they are not.
As for Wing Chun Teachers...
Ive had the pleasure of working with 2 different teachers,
and also, of watching many videos of high level teachers.
One thing Ive noticed is that there are many versions
of techniques taught. Some WC guys are all about Power
and Overtaking an opponent by speed and power. This
can and does work with many people... but if the opponent
is much stronger than you... it will fail. (IE: a 90lb
girl will have a real hard time overtaking a 300lb guy)
Then theres the WC guys that are more Tai Chi -ish. They
are less forcefull and sense and react to resistence. These
are hard to find - but I find are more skillfull in the art.
Look for Leung Ting's video and you will see some of the best
WC ever. He labels it Wing Tsung.
Randy Williams: Some great depth not seen in most tapes,
but I feel isnt quite up to par with ting. Some techniques
and ways I do not agree with. Overall, awesome stuff.
Augustine Fong: Overall good techniques. Some things he
does seem a bit fuzzy and not correct. A training tape
I saw, seemed more like a promotional video than a
learning tool. Would be a great teacher if I was in that area.
Steve Lee Swift: My first teacher... taught the system
out of order. This made it impossible for good foundation..
and fusterating for beginners to advance. Used power over
sensativity. Used speed to cover up faults, and used speed
to overcome adversatiy. (rather than sensativity) But
man, was he sick fast and powerfull!
While WC is able to be learned quickly... there is no
way you will be that good at it in 6 months or less.
Your body has to develop the new types of muscles.. and
that may take at least of 1 years time.
You will also need a lot time to develop proper movments
of the footwork, in coordination with the advanced hand
movments. This must be to a level of thoughless-ness.
As if you have to think about it - its too slow and you
have gotten hit. This will take the longest.
To be a fighter that can sparr other arts and do ok..
will take about 1 year of wc. The advanced techniques
are the advantage... but your still gona have trouble
with your weakness in techniques.
To impress, and fairly street battle worthy, 2-3 years.
To dominate in sparring, and be leathal at any time - 4-6 yrs.
WannabeSomeone
"Fraser Johnston" <fra...@jcis.com.au> wrote in message
news:3ctmikF...@individual.net...
Mainly the boxing gloves. (Sticking Hands)/(Sticky Hands), or (Chi Sau)/(Chi
Sao) is a big part of Wing Chun techniques which uses the two arms to
quickly block the opponent's attack, and penetrate the opponent's defense.
Chi Sau cannot be done with boxing gloves.
Wing Chun was designed to kill, not for sports. Its fighting strategy is to
advance and stay at elbow distance. The main targets are the most vulnerable
areas like eyes, nose, and throat. Its simultaneous attack and defense
maneuver takes a lot of chances does not leave much room for error (in fact,
use an attack to counter an attack). It is almost like a knife fight in
close quarters - it is either kill or be killed. A real Wing Chun fight will
end in less than 3 seconds.
An example of "take a lot of chances": Wing Chun will counter a straight
punch to the face with a straight punch to the face but will use its Chi Sau
techniques to avoid being hit. Wing Chun will counter a kick with a kick to
the opponent's knee joint by stepping or kneeling onto it.
There are Wing Chun Chi Sau tournaments held among Wing Chun people in which
they wear head protectors and chest protectors, and no kicking allowed.
Imagine if you can end a street fight in less than 3 seconds, you will
hardly draw attention from anyone. You just walk away. People will just
wonder why someone was lying injured on the ground.
Unfortunately, there are some Wing Chun places where the Sifu's are known to
be slow in teaching in regular classes so that they can make money by
offering private lessons to those who can afford.
I want to get some feedback of that Sifu Gary Lam's reputation before I
commit myself for that one month training because I have to arrange for one
month vacation leave from work to fly to Los Angeles. If he is no good, then
I won't bother.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Fraser Johnston
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
> Sau)/(Chi Sao) is a big part of Wing Chun techniques which uses the two
> arms to quickly block the opponent's attack, and penetrate the opponent's
> defense. Chi Sau cannot be done with boxing gloves.
Lucky there is quite a few MMA tournaments where you don't have to wear
gloves. And 6 ounce MMA gloves let you hit harder safely.
>
> Wing Chun was designed to kill, not for sports. Its fighting strategy is
> to advance and stay at elbow distance. The main targets are the most
> vulnerable areas like eyes, nose, and throat. Its simultaneous attack and
> defense maneuver takes a lot of chances does not leave much room for error
> (in fact, use an attack to counter an attack). It is almost like a knife
> fight in close quarters - it is either kill or be killed. A real Wing Chun
> fight will end in less than 3 seconds.
All legal stuff in MMA. 3 second paydays in pride don't sound tempting to
Wing Chun guys obviously.
>
> An example of "take a lot of chances": Wing Chun will counter a straight
> punch to the face with a straight punch to the face but will use its Chi
> Sau techniques to avoid being hit. Wing Chun will counter a kick with a
> kick to the opponent's knee joint by stepping or kneeling onto it.
Reality called. It wants you to come back.
> There are Wing Chun Chi Sau tournaments held among Wing Chun people in
> which they wear head protectors and chest protectors, and no kicking
> allowed.
Sounds like TKD only gayer.
> Imagine if you can end a street fight in less than 3 seconds, you will
> hardly draw attention from anyone. You just walk away. People will just
> wonder why someone was lying injured on the ground.
It's called a stabbing.
> Unfortunately, there are some Wing Chun places where the Sifu's are known
> to be slow in teaching in regular classes so that they can make money by
> offering private lessons to those who can afford.
Shit wanting money to teach something you have spent your life on.
Whodathunkit.
> I want to get some feedback of that Sifu Gary Lam's reputation before I
> commit myself for that one month training because I have to arrange for
> one month vacation leave from work to fly to Los Angeles. If he is no
> good, then I won't bother.
Hope you enjoy it.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
"xiaou2" <xia...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9641404D...@24.24.2.167...
I can't believe you wasted 10 minutes of your life typing this shit.
Fraser
Kevin Lowe
xiaou2 <xia...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Which rules? Why?
> >
> > Fraser
>
> Wing Chun is not a sport art.. Its life and death within a
> 2 seconds or less.
Damn, that's old school trolling. It has length without sacrificing
quality, which shows effort and allows for potentially endless
back-and-forth. Maybe I'm being too generous, but I'm giving this 8.5.
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.
Robert Low
> My whole chest area - a big 8" circle... was litterally ON FIRE!
> And this burning intense pain didnt go away for 4 HOURS DURRATION!!!
Only 4 hours and your skin grafts had healed up already?
If Wing Chun can do that for you, sign me up!
--
Rob
scottsummers
where you were at the mall and the guy asked you to pull out a phone
book and you whipped one out of your pants.
scottsummers
is they kinda dont use that many body weapons. They dont really do any
knees or headbutts, some elbows but only horizontal, most wing chun
styles dont necessarily use pressure points either. Just get past the
guard and hit general areas like face or face. ANd some more face.
And not really and joint locks or restraint techniques. What happens
if you punch someone as hard as you can and nothing happens? You have
to have something that will incapacitate them and some of that stuff
does involve grappling and joint locks. I would say that wing chun is
better if you are mixing it in an arsenal of martial arts. The only
thing I would want from wing chun is the trapping but at the same time
I kind of wouldnt because it teaches you to stay at that midrange
instead of closing in past the hands and taking him down, etc.
T
WannabeSomeone
>
>
>> There are Wing Chun Chi Sau tournaments held among Wing Chun people in
>> which they wear head protectors and chest protectors, and no kicking
>> allowed.
>
> Sounds like TKD only gayer.
>
I thought Tae Kwon Do uses a lot of high kicks, a lot more kicks than
Karate.
>> Imagine if you can end a street fight in less than 3 seconds, you will
>> hardly draw attention from anyone. You just walk away. People will just
>> wonder why someone was lying injured on the ground.
>
> It's called a stabbing.
>
I you stab, why not shoot? I am talking about bare hands.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
WannabeSomeone
> certified to be capable of after one month I don't know, but I bet you
> are paying a bundle for that certificate.
>
He teaches in a different sequence. That one month covers also the "Wooden
Dummy" forms which is taught quite late in my on place.
>> Modest semi-private accommodations are available,
>
> What does that mean? I'm guessing a dorm of some sort.
>
My friend actually phoned the school and talked to Sifu Gary Lam. He said
accommodation is $10 a day. Can't expect a hotel room with only $10. I can
fly to Monterey Park. Learn his Wing Chun 6 hours a day. Rent a car to
sightsee Hollywood. Not a bad idea for a month of vacation.
>> Beginners to
>> martial arts are welcome, the course is designed for all levels of
>> practitioners.
>
> This is crap. There is no such thing as a course designed for all
> levels of practitioners in anything, especially not martial arts. There
> is no way a beginner can catch up to an experienced MAist in a month.
>
>> The Level One certification will be awarded upon completion of the
>> course.
>> Cost is $1,500.00
>
People can hone their skills with other masters. Some people offer one month
Muay Thai training camp in Thailand. I guess after that one month you still
have to keep training on what they have taught you.
> $1500 for 180 hours of training plus a month's accomodation is a good
> deal by some standards. Then again, you can train a lot of judo for
> $1500.
>
> I guess it's no more a ripoff that regular wing chun training and
> grading and whatnot. If you like that sort of thing, go for it, you'll
> probably enjoy it.
>
That is why I want to know from someone who has done it. I figure $1500 for
one month is $50 a day. Plus the $10 accommodation means $60 a day. It is
almost the cost of living in a motel. I can rent a car to go sightseeing. It
is not a total loss if the training part is no good.
Best Regards,
Wannabe.
WannabeSomeone
"scottsummers" <scottsu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114269448.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> What happens if you punch someone as hard as you can and nothing happens?
Hit the guy in the nose and the eyes in a real fight. Something must happen.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
JS2
No, I'd agree. Its nice to see trolling with such clean, classical
lines. Definitely in the 8 to 9 range, just on that one line.
-JS2
xiaou2
news:1114268857.7...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> whippe
I said I was at work at the mall. I was a manager at
an Ice Cream Shop.
xiaou2
news:3cv636F...@individual.net:
Wing Chuns punch power usually does not do damage externally,
it basically causes an explosion interanally... causing micro
fractures... to downright mushing of organs.
I find it funny that some people doubt the power of a true
WC masters power. Ever hear of Iron Palm? There are stories
of an Iron Palm expert that killed a standing horse by
palming it in the chest. Basicall, it exploded it heart.
This guy was a guy whoos whole life was dedicated to
performances of his style. He trained his punch power
by using tiger pushups, and a technique that bruce lee
used - hitting a container of sand accross a table.
The guy was a big guy - in awesome shape.
If you so doubt WC'& JKDs power... Go into
a good wc school and ask the master for a demo of it.
Feeling is believing.
xiaou2
news:1114269448.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> I think wing chun is kinda cool. And good at trapping. The only thing
> is they kinda dont use that many body weapons. They dont really do any
> knees or headbutts,
some WC guys do use headbutts. However... its usually not needed
cause you have two hands and two legs instead. Also, what happens
when the guy you butt has a head stronger than yours? And, it
takes a lot of training to get a strong head - which is better
used in other training uses.
some elbows but only horizontal,
Incorrect, there are vertical elbows.
most wing chun
> styles dont necessarily use pressure points either.
The 3rd level of wc uses finger thrust to vital areas.
I suspect that some of points of teachings have been
ignored, hidden, or lost in translation tho.
Just get past the
> guard and hit general areas like face or face. ANd some more face.
Actually, not all WC guys hit only the face. Theres plenty of other
targets like Sternum, neck, eyes, face ;), knees, arm breaks..ect.
I do agree tho... that some wc guys are train too much in the face only.
Remember tho.. that the shortest distance is the most effecient, and
that means arms 'level' is best - which usually is sternum or face.
IE: if you go for a low palm to my ribs, and I go for your chest at
the same time.. I will hit first and my blow will do more damages.
> And not really and joint locks or restraint techniques.
Theres one that I know of... but mostly I agree. Its about knocking
the guy out... or hitting them enough to make them agree its best to run
away. : ) heh A mix of Chi Na can blend well into wc tho.
What happens
> if you punch someone as hard as you can and nothing happens?
If that happened... that meant that you trainind very poorly
and deserve the punishment. Or you attacked a 20yr level monk, and
also deserve the punishmnet ; )
Seriouly, wcs power is above knockout level even for a small person.
I was only 150lbs 6ft tall... and with tons of power to spare,
made an opponent stop the fight as he was on the edge of a knock out
(dizzy and useless) from with a flurry of only 3 rapid punches. (in
2seconds time)
You have
> to have something that will incapacitate them and some of that stuff
> does involve grappling and joint locks. I would say that wing chun is
> better if you are mixing it in an arsenal of martial arts. The only
> thing I would want from wing chun is the trapping but at the same time
> I kind of wouldnt because it teaches you to stay at that midrange
> instead of closing in past the hands and taking him down, etc.
Trapping only? What about sensativity training - the heart of
the system. That enables you much greater abilities and advantages,
to the point of even being able to fight blindfolded.
What about simultainious attack and defense + a kick? Deadly
accuracy in all limbs.
What about the Power of the strike, esp close range strike
power from only a single inch of space.
In a real situation esp with multiple attackers... rolling on
the ground and doing submission moves isnt going to cut it
very well. Knowing how to stay on your feet and to incapacitate
people within a few seconds time is much more advantageous.
However... if one did get tackled...knowing how to get
out of a ground situation is a weakness in wc.
I do say.. many people learn some wc techniques from a
friend... or read a book. You wont find the real wc in
these. You need a propper master, and time to master the
art to understand it fully.
I do recomned watching "Authentic Wing Tsun Kung Fu"
http://www.wingtsunusa.com/store/VWT01.html
It will show you the Truest and most deadly wc
ever shot. It long and shows all forms and even the
weapons and training techniques.
However, I still stress that one has to learn wc in
a school enviornemt for a least of a year to get a
'foundation'. only then would you be able to learn
from videoa and books.
scottsummers
scottsummers
power is not mystery either, as is closing in on the opponent, trapping
the body's limbs(not just the arms), destroying the opponent's striking
tools, pressure point strikes and grabs, bitch slaps, palms, shoulder,
one arm techniques, grappling, etc. Also if you say go for the closest
weapon that is not necessarily true of wing chun. It is about punching
in a straight line (to the body). They dont really think about their
hands being exposed to being destroyed or the clumsy stance. My
instructor had a guy laugh at him at a seminar who had 40 years of wing
chun experience. The guy told him to try the technique on him and see
if it worked. Well my instructor did and because of the guys wing chun
guard it actually helped him with the technique. While my instructor
was grabbing his balls and lifting him off the floor he told the guy
"maybe i can teach you something after all, huh?" So wing chun is cool
and effective but I dont believe a complete art. That is why there is
mma. Because pretty much no style is complete. And knowing one arm
bar doesnt really give you any arsenal of joint locks. You have to
know how to work around the whole body (thats why brazilian jujitsu is
good it has a plan). Basic armbars by TMA'ers are really easy to
counter. you can counter it without even using your hands. There is
always a counter to a technique it just depends if you know it or not.
Then there is a counter to that technique. If you know more counters
you will usually win because that person has not been trained to react
if someone counters you.
Fraser Johnston
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
>
> "scottsummers" <scottsu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1114269448.4...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> What happens if you punch someone as hard as you can and nothing happens?
>
> Hit the guy in the nose and the eyes in a real fight. Something must
> happen.
Ever seen a boxing match?
Fraser
xiaou2
>
> Fraser
>
Boxer gloves are very thick and hard to impossible generate
snap force with. The padding throws off the timing as
well, and thats crutail in snap force generation.
Most people punch with push power... where as snap force
is much more devestating.
IE: If you see a guy get hit and he flys back a few feet...
then most of the force dissapated into moving him.
However... if you see a guy get hit and he dosnt move
at all - is just motionlessly stunned.. you know the
guy took a real sick blow. Probably some harsh internal
damage.
Snap force is simluar to a whip. If you can pull it off,
it will create a force thats 10 times as powerfull as a
typical punch.
I use a hanging bag of steel shot bb's. A regular punch will
just push the bb's away from each other as your fist
hits the bag... and the bag will move several feet back.
If you hit the bag with snap force, the bb's have no time
to move out of the way. Its like hitting a solid steel
brick. The bag hardly moves a few inches. Your hand
is red and stings intensly from the impact.
(think like water... if you hit it one way, you pass
into it with just a large splash... however, hit it
another way, and its hard as a rock and hurts you)
Some boxers can pull off a snap, but usually its an
accident... or something that only might happen once
in 300 attempts.
Unless you train for snap - its very difficult to
achieve.
The timing is very hard. Every muscle in your body
has to react all at the same time, all within something
like 1/32nd of a second. If any part of you is off by
a fraction of a second.. you will lose like 40 to 80% of
the power you desired.
Fraser, and all who doubt this power... I ask you to
do your homework and research it. Ask for a demo from
a high level jkd or wc guy. Tell them you dont believe
its possible to knock a person out every time, with one
single punch... that you do not believe that wc puches
can be more powerfull than that of the best boxers..
You will see differently.. I gaurentee it.
Its very easy to knock somthing that youve
never seen or felt. Just because you cant do it,
and you have not had it done to you, does not mean
that it dosnt exist. Trust me, its very real, and
very dangerous... which is why its been a secret
for several hundreads of years... and only been
widely spread this last 100 yrs. (mostly cause
of other more dangerous weaponry - guns..ect)
xiaou2
I agree with most of what you said.
I do however think that the WC thats seen is not always
complete because of who is teaching it.
I think at some point in the line - its truths were
divided into different branches. This kept any one
person from learning the full system unless certain
conditions were met.
Basically, branch one, would have all but part 'A'
incorrect. Branch 2 would have part a ok, but part b
was incorrect or missing...ect.
Although, this could have been just from poor
translations.
I do agree, that by knowing more than one
art you have a better range and depth. You have
a much better chance in what you do.
But... if you only know parts of one style and
parts of another.. not the entire whole sytle...
this can lead to problems.
Also, you may know a thousand techniques...
but if you havnt mastered them fully.. they are
basically worthless.
As Bruce Lee said... I do not fear a man who
knows a thousand techniques so/so... but rather, I fear
more, a man who is a master of a single technique.
Funny though... I believe Bruce never finished the
high levels of Wc. He was moved to america and
couldnt finish.
Believe it or not... theres actually some round movements
taught in the last phases of Wc. Simular to hook punches.
I saw this in the Leung Ting video.
Like I said... it just burns me to see all these people
think that ground fighting is the ultimate fight style.
All this UFC crap is just that. Hardly any skills.
Real Skilled fighters would eliminate those guys easily.
Another thing I thought was a load of crap...was when
I saw this kid win and he made it a point to thank
god for helping him to beat a guy to the point of cracking
his nose in two. How lame is that. Thanks god, for
giving me the power in your name - to beat others senseless.
Ugg.
Ground fighting has its uses.. .but it too, is not a full
art. Less so than many others.
Fraser Johnston
You really are developing nicely. I give you a 8 on the Richman scale.
Fraser
Badger North
<Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>Mainly the boxing gloves. (Sticking Hands)/(Sticky Hands), or (Chi Sau)/(Chi
>Sao) is a big part of Wing Chun techniques which uses the two arms to
>quickly block the opponent's attack, and penetrate the opponent's defense.
>Chi Sau cannot be done with boxing gloves.
Plenty of NHB events don't wear gloves. And yet, the Wing Chun guys
who have entered, have done *extremely* poorly. In fact, I don't
think you'll be able to cite a *single* case of a wing chunner making
anything even close to an impressive showing.
Badger Jones
www.youngforest.ca
"Hard to be a freak when the carnival's not in town." - Chas Clements
Badger North
> I do recomned watching "Authentic Wing Tsun Kung Fu"
>http://www.wingtsunusa.com/store/VWT01.html
>
> It will show you the Truest and most deadly wc
>ever shot. It long and shows all forms and even the
>weapons and training techniques.
Kudos! I think I speak for many of us when I say you truly deserve an
8.5 on the Richman Scale! I have that Leung Ting video, and damn but
it's funny!
The kung fu movie sound effects, the "I AM WRONG" guys, LT performing
the "Amazing Arm Expanditure"... Buddy, if that tape is the "truest
and most deadly wc" as you say, then WC is even worse than I had
previously estimated.
Badger_South
I understand that even among the WC/WT/VT people LT is considered a doofus
and a bit of a klutz.
-B
WannabeSomeone
"Badger North" <young_...@REEEMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:i9sp619hdkhbatd3h...@4ax.com...
> Plenty of NHB events don't wear gloves. And yet, the Wing Chun guys
> who have entered, have done *extremely* poorly. In fact, I don't
> think you'll be able to cite a *single* case of a wing chunner making
> anything even close to an impressive showing.
>
>
What do you think is the best martial arts to learn for everyday street
fights? I mean bear-hands, street clothes, no weapons.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Badger_South
Grizzly-fu?
-B
>
>
>Best Regards,
>Wannabe
>=======
>
WannabeSomeone
"Badger North" <young_...@REEEMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:52:26 GMT, xiaou2 <xia...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do recomned watching "Authentic Wing Tsun Kung Fu"
>>http://www.wingtsunusa.com/store/VWT01.html
>>
>> It will show you the Truest and most deadly wc
>>ever shot. It long and shows all forms and even the
>>weapons and training techniques.
>
> Kudos! I think I speak for many of us when I say you truly deserve an
> 8.5 on the Richman Scale! I have that Leung Ting video, and damn but
> it's funny!
>
> The kung fu movie sound effects, the "I AM WRONG" guys, LT performing
> the "Amazing Arm Expanditure"... Buddy, if that tape is the "truest
> and most deadly wc" as you say, then WC is even worse than I had
> previously estimated.
>
I happen to have that video too. The video quality is really bad. It is
almost like a promotional video. He hardly showed any meaningful Wing Chun
moves. I don't think anyone should judge how effective the Wing Chun art is
by his video.
By the way, have you found that "Kwang's" lotion yet?
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Wayne Dobson
>
> > Which rules? Why?
> >
> > Fraser
>
> Wing Chun is not a sport art.. Its life and death within a
> 2 seconds or less.
Preach on, brother! This is good stuff! *Chuckle*
--
Wayne
"Aka Dobbie the House Elf."
Badger North
<Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>By the way, have you found that "Kwang's" lotion yet?
Eh? Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful, so be a pal and fill me in
here. Kwang's lotion?
Badger North
<Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>What do you think is the best martial arts to learn for everyday street
>fights? I mean bear-hands, street clothes, no weapons.
Something that uses striking, grappling for the clinch, ground
grappling, trained against a resisting opponent, with as little
rehearsed action as possible.
MMA is a good candidate. The problem with most styles is that they
have a model of what a fight is supposed to look like, and therefore
training is funnelled towards that. The result is the karate guys
trying to 'one hit-one kill', or the wing chunners trying to establish
and stay in chi sau range.
Karim
>>By the way, have you found that "Kwang's" lotion yet?
>
> Eh? Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful, so be a pal and fill me in
> here. Kwang's lotion?
Here in the Occident, Kwang was also known as 'K-Y'. HTH,
--
Karim <remove SPAMFREE: krashad at SPAMorbisFREEuk dot com>
WannabeSomeone
"Badger North" <young_...@REEEMOVEhotmail.com> wrote in message
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:29:15 -0400, "WannabeSomeone"
> <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>>By the way, have you found that "Kwang's" lotion yet?
>
> Eh? Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful, so be a pal and fill me in
> here. Kwang's lotion?
>
The "China Brush" in combination with Viagra that will turn you into a porn
star. Remember I talked about that off-topic? Or maybe it wasn't you.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Chas
> Something that uses striking, grappling for the clinch, ground
> grappling, trained against a resisting opponent, with as little
> rehearsed action as possible.
The one fantasy part of it is depending on anyone but you to be unarmed.
The old cowboy rule of fighting standing up without kicking is gone- locks,
chokes, kicks, grasping and grappling are now pretty acceptable, and the
only way you can win with an opponent like that, unless you're of comparable
physicality, is to use an implement.
We're running short of gorillas- and if you stripped down to speedos with
one, he'd kick yer ass.
But we don't do that-
Chas
WannabeSomeone
"Karim" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.04.25....@privacy.net...
No, KY is gel, or used to be. KY is lubricant. "Kwang's" is "load saver". I
don't want to use the proper word because this is supposed to be a family
newsgroup.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Badger North
<Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>>>By the way, have you found that "Kwang's" lotion yet?
>>
>> Eh? Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful, so be a pal and fill me in
>> here. Kwang's lotion?
>
>The "China Brush" in combination with Viagra that will turn you into a porn
>star. Remember I talked about that off-topic? Or maybe it wasn't you.
No, that was me. Haven't even thought about attempting to try to
almost get out to Chinatown to buy some.
scottsummers
which are very painful and work on very strong, large opponents. Also,
you shouldnt have to be strong or huge to do the art. you should also
be prepared to fight any kind of style and you shouldnt have to adapt
to their style. If your style doesnt involve bouncing around and
someone tries to box you, dont bounce around. it also shouldnt have
static deadlocked postures (if any) because you dont always see the
punch coming and you have to react like you are human and not some
ready posture like ok, now this will help. also, flow is really
important. You should be able to react if someone does something you
didnt expect. If you get hit and panic and forget all your crap then
obviously you should have been prepared for that or your art just
doesnt teach you how to deal with it.
Karim
>>> Eh? Maybe I'm getting old and forgetful, so be a pal and fill me in
>>> here. Kwang's lotion?
>>
>> Here in the Occident, Kwang was also known as 'K-Y'. HTH,
>
I was just making a little joke...
> Kwang's" is "load saver".
You are SUCH a porn star wannabe :-)
> his is supposed to be a family newsgroup.
Hehe! Yeah, of course :)
WannabeSomeone
"Chas" <chasclem...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:e92dnU3-9ey...@comcast.com...
> The one fantasy part of it is depending on anyone but you to be unarmed.
> The old cowboy rule of fighting standing up without kicking is gone-
> locks, chokes, kicks, grasping and grappling are now pretty acceptable,
> and the only way you can win with an opponent like that, unless you're of
> comparable physicality, is to use an implement.
Then why do the actual fighting? The two just do a "Mr. Universe" comparison
of biceps and triceps.
Or just compare weapons. Whoever pulls out the bigger knife or stick from
the pocket walks away the winner.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Karim
> Then why do the actual fighting? The two just do a "Mr. Universe"
> comparison of biceps and triceps.
>
> Or just compare weapons. Whoever pulls out the bigger knife or stick
> from the pocket walks away the winner.
That's pretty much how it works in nature, actually. (c.f. stags, for
instance). Easier on everyone to compare and display rather than fight.
The correlation between size, health etc and who would have won the fight,
had there been one, must be very high. Of course, in nature no-one trains
up their martial skills, unless by experience.
Badger North
<chasclem...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Something that uses striking, grappling for the clinch, ground
>> grappling, trained against a resisting opponent, with as little
>> rehearsed action as possible.
>
>The one fantasy part of it is depending on anyone but you to be unarmed.
Well, that's why I'm an FMA'er.
T
> On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 06:06:16 -0400, "WannabeSomeone"
> <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Mainly the boxing gloves. (Sticking Hands)/(Sticky Hands), or (Chi Sau)/(Chi
>>Sao) is a big part of Wing Chun techniques which uses the two arms to
>>quickly block the opponent's attack, and penetrate the opponent's defense.
>>Chi Sau cannot be done with boxing gloves.
>
>
> Plenty of NHB events don't wear gloves. And yet, the Wing Chun guys
> who have entered, have done *extremely* poorly. In fact, I don't
> think you'll be able to cite a *single* case of a wing chunner making
> anything even close to an impressive showing.
That David Levicki guy who went against Rickson.
Okay, it wasn't impressive in a *good* way....
xiaou2
> Kudos! I think I speak for many of us when I say you truly deserve an
> 8.5 on the Richman Scale! I have that Leung Ting video, and damn but
> it's funny!
> The kung fu movie sound effects, the "I AM WRONG" guys, LT performing
> the "Amazing Arm Expanditure"... Buddy, if that tape is the "truest
> and most deadly wc" as you say, then WC is even worse than I had
> previously estimated.
First off, I wonder if you have the entire video - or just parts.
The part where Leung ting attacks using multiple low kicks per second
is some of the sickest stuff ever. Also notable is the sick power
of his front snap kick - which from only 1 ft distance, sends the guy
flying through the air and lands about 12ft back!
In the tape, theres a lot of examples of smooth flowing WC. Not
seen too often... as most wc guys just try to overpower thier
opponents. While LT might appear to be sloppy... he is in fact
much faster and sensative to change than the hard style wc guys.
Several of the wc blocks are described in great detail, with
great descriptions of the theories behind them. Some of these
make more sense than what Ive seen described from other
teachers - and these actually work in practice vs the others!
Leung Tings forms and movments were loose, yet showed
perfect placement and tension at the ends of each
movment.
Some WC guys are stiff the entire form... and that promotes
dead muscles... and slower reaction times, and less overall
power generation.
Btw - Leung Ting is not only knowlegable of WC. Hes written
several books on several different styles.
By looking at his wc, you can see he adds a touch of
Drunken style in there. In case you didnt know... the
greatest power generation is from a completely relaxed
and loose body. Else the two muscles fight each other
and slow each other down (pull = bicepts, push = tricepts)
Also, if you are too stiff... you can not sense
your opponents movements, energy direction, openings,
weaknesses..ect. This again, Appears to be clumbsy..
yet it is far from it.
As for the arm trick... It
was a bit fuzzy and hard to see. I can say however... that
I do know that the elbow connection joints, tendons..ect. can
and do stretch: One of my teachers had let others
know that he actually trained too hard, and got a permanent snap
whenever he releases a punch. This is actually not
a good thing, as its very painfull (I think its called tennis
elbow).
This is why they say do equal hitting on the bag, as air
punching. Else the arm will stretch too far and cause
damage. Maybe leung had found a way to stretch his arm out
without overdoing it and doing permanent damages.
I personally never fully extend the arm when punching. I stop
just 1cm shy and lock there... so to keep from tearing the
joints up.
All these comments and mockery show just how little people
really know and are willing to research.
I myself not only do WC, but have dabbled in taekwando kicking,
wushu acrobatic movments, drunken style fighting,
shaolin hard falls, Rope Dart, nine section whip chain, nunchukas,
butterfly swords, tai chi push hands, and more. I do lots of
research on different styles, and make great strides to understand
thier sometimes hidden principles.
WC was based on knowledge from hundreads of years of shaolin
knowledge and teachings. In Wc, you see elements from the
Snake and the Crane. You also have many other techniqes that
are simular to other shaolin developed styles. The main
difference, is the package. Wc leaves out a lot of the stuff
in order to be able to train a warrior in 5 yrs -vs- 20yrs. It also
does have unique and advanced elements such as chisao
and others.
Many of the very styles you see today, have foundation
from shaolin teachings. Some though... have misinterpreted
the teachings... or watered it down. IE: to know all the
techniques and knowlegde developed from shaolin, one would have to
spend his entire life in the temple... and even then, may not
learn it all.
All I can say... is do the research. You can laugh all
you want... but that wont make you any better or more
knowledgable. Youll find the greatest and deepest
truths if you search for them... instead of just
being stubborn and ignorant.
xiaou2
news:jsvp611dalhln7fc7...@4ax.com:
> WC/WT/VT people LT is considered a doofus
> and a bit of a klutz.
>
And that comes from who?
Lets look at the facts.
doofis?! = Bachelor Degree in Chinese & English Literature?
1) LT has created one of the worlds
largest WC movments ever.
2) LT is one of the very few people that actaully was
taught the entire Butterfly sword set. Supposedly only
one of 5 people were taught this deadly and
highly secret form.
3) LT is the only Wc guy that Ive seen use a
tripidial dummy (3 pole dummy used for kicking)
4) The only wc guy Ive seen teach and train (without gear!)
- with the long poles!
5) LT designed and directed over 24 TV kungfu series and six movies
6) Up to now, LT has turned out more than 50 works, including books and
videotapes, on WingTsun and other Kung Fu systems.
http://www.leungting.com/eng/Aboutus-Master.htm
The facts are all there. The guy is very intelligent,
knowledgable in Many forms of kungfu, incredible wc
knowledge and ability, and a world leader of wc.
This guy isnt just some phoney hack.
Get your facts from real sources rather than from
unenlightened hacks themselves.
Fraser Johnston
Secret, deadly and tv shows all in one post. I'm convinced.
Fraser
xiaou2
>
> I happen to have that video too. The video quality is really bad.
(not if you Paid for it -vs- downloaded a crap version)
It
> is almost like a promotional video.
Promotional - yes - but a lot more than that. Not many promo
videos would ever show all the forms of a system! Not only that
but many of the blocks and methods of wc. Its the most revealing
tapes I have ever seen for ANY martial arts video.
He hardly showed any meaningful
> Wing Chun moves.
WTF?! And what do you consider meaningfull?!
I don't think anyone should judge how effective the
> Wing Chun art is by his video.
My guess is that you, like others, lack a deep understanding
of wc and how it works. Try going to school for a few years
then going to open brawls that other schools have... to see
just how well what you learned works.
I found that some things I learned I mixed up.. but some
things just didnt work at all. I learned what was wrong, after
seeing LT's videos. I also learned a lot by watching some other
top masters videos out... as each one seemed to have a little
piece of the truth. The only way to find out if what you know
is right tho...is to battle test it... and I have. I have also
taught privately... and was paid to do so.
Currious to know who you think is a better wc guy, and what
videos they have that are better than Lt's.
xiaou2
news:3d68lsF...@individual.net:
>
> "xiaou2" <xia...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96442162...@24.24.2.166...
>> Badger_South <Bad...@South.net> wrote in
>> news:jsvp611dalhln7fc7...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> WC/WT/VT people LT is considered a doofus
>>> and a bit of a klutz.
>>>
>>
>> And that comes from who?
>>
>> Lets look at the facts.
>>
>> doofis?! = Bachelor Degree in Chinese & English Literature?
>>
>> 1) LT has created one of the worlds
> Secret, deadly and tv shows all in one post. I'm convinced.
>
> Fraser
>
>
You are thick and Ignorant. Im suprised you can operate a pc.
You have no common sense either.
Tv shows Including documentaries on multiple Kungfu Styles
requires KNOWLEDGE OF THE F'N SYSTEMS! Idiot.
Ever try to DIRECT A KUNG FU MOVIE WITHOUT KUNGFU KNOWLEDGE!!!
Stoopid. Ignorant. Idiot.
Why dont you go somewhere and do something constructive?
Cause I get the feeling you have no constructive comments besides
the crappy dumbass mock attemps. All they really do is showcase
what a true idiot you are.
My guess is that you have a small p3nis and you are
envious so have to lash out at everyone who posts so as
to make yourself feel bigger and every big boy out there
feel much smaller..
You truely are a looser. How old are you 10?!
Grow up and go Learn something!
Fraser Johnston
> You are thick and Ignorant. Im suprised you can operate a pc.
> You have no common sense either.
Hell I get $100 an hour to program them.
> Tv shows Including documentaries on multiple Kungfu Styles
> requires KNOWLEDGE OF THE F'N SYSTEMS! Idiot.
I give you "The Matrix".
> Ever try to DIRECT A KUNG FU MOVIE WITHOUT KUNGFU KNOWLEDGE!!!
I'd just get the actors to do gay moves that look cool. That's what
everyone else does.
> Stoopid. Ignorant. Idiot.
If you're going to call me stupid at least spell it right.
>
> Why dont you go somewhere and do something constructive?
> Cause I get the feeling you have no constructive comments besides
> the crappy dumbass mock attemps. All they really do is showcase
> what a true idiot you are.
You mother was busy.
> My guess is that you have a small p3nis and you are
> envious so have to lash out at everyone who posts so as
> to make yourself feel bigger and every big boy out there
> feel much smaller..
Your mother wasn't complaining.
> You truely are a looser. How old are you 10?!
> Grow up and go Learn something!
10. I wish. Ahhh to be 10 again.
Fraser
Robert Low
If you didn't find it so difficult, maybe you'd
charge less :-)
--
Rob
Fraser Johnston
"Robert Low" <mtx...@coventry.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3d6apeF...@individual.net...
This way I get to do a lot of hours. There is method to my madness.
Fraser
Robert Low
>>>Hell I get $100 an hour to program them.
>>If you didn't find it so difficult, maybe you'd
>>charge less :-)
> This way I get to do a lot of hours. There is method to my madness.
And because you charge so much, people think you must
be good. It's win-win really, isn't it?
--
Rob
scottsummers
envious so have to lash out at everyone who
much smaller.. "
Fraser Johnston
Keeps a roof over my head.
Fraser
xiaou2
>
> Keeps a roof over my head.
>
> Fraser
>
I thought Trolls lived under bridges.
Fraser Johnston
>
>>
>> Keeps a roof over my head.
>>
>> Fraser
>>
>
> I thought Trolls lived under bridges.
You are pushing a 9.5 on the Richman scale. Keep it up.
Fraser
xiaou2
>
> You are pushing a 9.5 on the Richman scale. Keep it up.
>
> Fraser
>
nobody wants to hear what you have to say here. go program something.
Fraser Johnston
> "
>>
>> You are pushing a 9.5 on the Richman scale. Keep it up.
>>
>> Fraser
>>
>
> nobody wants to hear what you have to say here. go program something.
I'll keep pushing your mothers buttons.
Fraser
WannabeSomeone
>
> 3) LT is the only Wc guy that Ive seen use a
> tripidial dummy (3 pole dummy used for kicking)
>
Talking about kicking, I have bought the whole set of instructional DVDs
from Sifu Gary Lam from this site:
http://www.cranesproduction.com/
He has two DVDs on Wing Chun kicking:
********************************************
DVD : Wing Chun Kicking 1 Instructional DVD
Wing Chun kicking? Many have heard of its devastating power, but few know
its secrets. Now, in this amazing DVD Sifu Gary lam explains and
demonstrates proper Wing Chun kicking techniques, step by step.
When properly executed, these kicks can be the most deadly fight-stopping
actions you've ever seen ! Now you, too,can know what was reserved in the
past for the select few.
********************************************
DVD : Awesome Kicking Technique Instructional
In this DVD, Sifu Gary Lam explains and demonstrates awesome kicking
techniques frequently use in real life fighting. Explaining how to apply and
defend against kicks drawn from a number of disciplines, each section packs
in actions and critical information to help you swiftly add legs to your
fighting arsenal. Practice precision kicks, crippling knee attacks, and
syncopated hand-leg combos. You'll also get plenty of tips for developing
these deadly actions at home, including intense workouts on a simple tire
and the sand bag.
*******************************************
Excellent! He showed the complete tripod dummy and wooden dummy kicking
techniques. All eight WC kicking techniques are demonstrated step by step so
clearly I have never seen anywhere else. Sifu Gary Lam is Wong Shun Leung's
lineage. Check this out:
http://www.wingchunkuen.com/who/masters/wongshunleung.html
Sometimes you get too uptight when people don't know and put down Wing Chun.
It is really hard to convince people who have doubts and don't have an open
mind for things that they have not seen or experienced.
A good example is "acupuncture". In the 60's the western world thought
acupuncture was bogus. How can you just put acupuncture needle in the guy's
foot and then you can cut his belly open for surgery without feeling pain?
Today nobody agues against it anymore.
Fraser Johnston and other guys are basically good guys who think UFC, like
the good old WWF, is real. Why shatter their illusion when it does them no
harm but gives them entertainment?
I have heard rumours about LT Wing Tsun as money grabbers. I mean they tend
to slow down the regular classroom teaching to make you pay extra for
private lessons. Do you have friends who learned his style and have similar
complaints?
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
Kevin Lowe
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
> Sometimes you get too uptight when people don't know and put down Wing Chun.
> It is really hard to convince people who have doubts and don't have an open
> mind for things that they have not seen or experienced.
Whenever WCers fight on video, whether it's Boztepe trying to punch up
Cheung or the handful of enthusiastic idiots who tried entering NHB
matches, they suck. That is pretty good reason to think, provisionally
at least, that WC is arse.
I'm not 100% convinced it is arse, but I'm happy to assume it is arse
until evidence to the contrary arises. It's not like it is my job to
rake through every poo-pile of a martial art looking for gold.
> A good example is "acupuncture". In the 60's the western world thought
> acupuncture was bogus. How can you just put acupuncture needle in the guy's
> foot and then you can cut his belly open for surgery without feeling pain?
> Today nobody agues against it anymore.
Actually acupuncture is mildly useful for suppressing nausea and that is
just about it. The idea that you can use acupuncture for serious
aneasthesia or to paralyse someone comes from myths, kung fu movies and
bullshit artists.
> Fraser Johnston and other guys are basically good guys who think UFC, like
> the good old WWF, is real. Why shatter their illusion when it does them no
> harm but gives them entertainment?
It's not real the way Boztepe vs Cheung was real, no, but it is as close
as sports currently get to real unarmed combat. Also, in the instances
when sport fighters and TMAers have taken a crack at each other with or
without rules the TMAer tends to lose badly.
There have been instances where hard core TMAers have owned hard core
sport fighters, but they are relatively rare.
Kevin Lowe,
Tasmania.
Fraser Johnston
"Kevin Lowe" <m...@private.net> wrote in message
news:me-F5FC52.23...@news01.comindico.com.au...
>> Fraser Johnston and other guys are basically good guys who think UFC,
>> like
>> the good old WWF, is real. Why shatter their illusion when it does them
>> no
>> harm but gives them entertainment?
UFC is real. Case in point being Tim Syvias broken arm Vs Frank Mir.
Fraser
Robert Low
> A good example is "acupuncture". ...
> Today nobody agues against it anymore.
Just occasionally, the phrase 'hostage to fortune'
springs ineluctably to mind.
--
Rob
Badger_South
wrote:
That's certainly bringing home the bacon, Rob. ;-)
-B
WannabeSomeone
> "WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
>
>> A good example is "acupuncture". In the 60's the western world thought
>> acupuncture was bogus. How can you just put acupuncture needle in the
>> guy's
>> foot and then you can cut his belly open for surgery without feeling
>> pain?
>> Today nobody agues against it anymore.
>
> Actually acupuncture is mildly useful for suppressing nausea and that is
> just about it. The idea that you can use acupuncture for serious
> aneasthesia or to paralyse someone comes from myths, kung fu movies and
> bullshit artists.
>
In the 70's when Richard Nixon visited China and cracked open the "Bamboo
Curtain", he was shown a patient cut open and operated on under acupuncture
anesthesia while talking and responding to the surgeons. That operation was
shown in news footage to the world.
I used the search engine using "acupuncture anesthesia" and dug up this
site:
http://www.medicalacupuncture.org/aama_marf/journal/vol3_1/anesthesia.html
which describes two cases in Ohio where the patients were cut open like a
fish and operated on while conscious with mainly acupuncture anesthesia.
I don't mean acupuncture is a cure-all but it does do something to the body
that scientist are still trying to explain how and why. The 12 acupuncture
meridians in the body cannot be explained by lymph, or nerve passages. No
body knows how the ancient Chinese figure out those acupuncture channels and
acupuncture points. The better approach to something that is hard to believe
but many people swore by, is to have a little open mind that it may be true.
I have not seen UFOs or ghosts, but since so many people claim that they
have, I look at those as "may be".
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
T
> body knows how the ancient Chinese figure out those acupuncture channels and
> acupuncture points.
I do.
WannabeSomeone
xiaou2
>
> UFC is real. Case in point being Tim Syvias broken arm Vs Frank Mir.
>
> Fraser
He meant its a sport - not a real life situation setting.
IRL Ive heard a few stories of WC guys being challenged by
grapplers and getting destroyed. All it takes is a single hit
cause we train for devestating power. And since wc
is so good at finding an opening, and getting that hit in...
the hit will be a knockout or a slight dizzy... and if a
dizzy... will be followed by several more devestating blows
immediately afterwords.
I myself have sparred a few, and every time they tried
to go for a grab - they got 2 punches per second to the
head. If wanting to... I could have knocked out both
of the grapplers I fought with one punch... and or broken
thier knees from a stomp kick when they even came close.
Btw - I believe Ive heard it only takes something 10 lbs
per square inch to be able to break a bone. Its not
hard to do.
However... its ass to do it just cause you can. It shows
how low of good character these guys are. Which is why
you never see Good skilled martial artist there. We have
class.
xiaou2
> Whenever WCers fight on video, whether it's Boztepe trying to punch up
> Cheung or the handful of enthusiastic idiots who tried entering NHB
> matches, they suck. That is pretty good reason to think,
> provisionally at least, that WC is arse.
Try going to a good school and getting firsthand example. Try
getting hit with a couple of WC punches. I think you would
quickly change your mind.
I can say this as well... after learning wc, I fought in many
sparring matches against many different styles. I found it
easy to take care of people with the style... so much so,
that sometimes Ive fought single handed just for a challenge.
On other occassions, Ive closed my eyes for a bit - feeling
what was happening + attacking weaknesses, still able to
fight well.
Boztepe isnt the greatest wc guy. But, I would choose to
fight any of the UFC guys over him. WC is not a joke art...
wc punches actually can kill rahter than a simple dizzy.
scottsummers
like
the good old WWF, is real. Why shatter their illusion when it does them
no
harm but gives them entertainment?
So, you think that the guys at the UFC dont train or try to hurt each
other? Do you think you could do better if you went into the UFC?
Whats reality is that most traditional arts do not do very well at the
UFC. They have a wing chun gameplan or their own sparring rules
gameplan and when those people dont fight that way it screws them up.
Grapplers are trained to do takedowns VERY quickly. Sometimes, if
someone wants to take you down you are gonna go down no matter what and
instantly at that. If you had some kind of backup like a few grappling
skills or numerous counters than you might be ok but wing chun is
mainly standup. Good standup I think (except hard to work with boxing)
but not any ground defense. Just look at the Boztepe vs. Cheung fight
on the ground. They were fighting like untrained martial artists once
they went to the ground (which was immediately) and they both have
decades each of standup experience. How bout go into the UFC and wait
till a guy puts you in an armbar while he's elbowing you with his other
arm and tell him, hah thats not real your elbow isnt really breaking my
face "Hah, ow, you are so fake, ow,ow. Wait chi sai? Ok, can we just
stand up a little? Come on, you know you wanna bridge or tan sao my
jum jow! Help!"
Robert Low
> Btw - I believe Ive heard it only takes something 10 lbs
> per square inch to be able to break a bone. Its not
> hard to do.
It just gets better and better, doesn't it?
--
Rob
scottsummers
MuahahahhahahahahHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAH:AHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHA
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiit.
scottsummers
book out of your pants at the mall to saying wing chun give slight
dizzy, to saying you fought with one arm, to thinking that you can kill
with one punch. Anyone in this newsgroup could beat you up without
using any striking. Libby could beat you up.
Fraser Johnston
I hope this guy has some staying power. He's hilarious.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
Chuck Lidell by brutal brutal knockout.
Fraser
T
Same way they figured out archery millenia before Newton propounded the
Laws of Motion: creativity, trial, and error.
Acupuncture's interesting, but it's not the miracle that willow-bark
tea, aka aspirin, is; or architecture, or....
So you get a common theme with old tech: it works, but the explanations
for why it works are stupid. Alchemists came up with some amazing stuff
too; you believe in phlogiston?
Jacob Andersen
haha, right. So a WC punch, that is (generously speaking) maybe 60% as hard
as a right cross, will kill people. I guess it could happen, but I'd be
surprised as hell to know that it ever had.
/Jacob
WannabeSomeone
The explanations may be stupid, but you have to come up with something when
there is nothing else better in explaining it. Unless you can figure out a
better explanation, it is just silly to laugh at it.
The ancients always believed the Earth was flat and everything in the sky
revolved around us. So they made models of the Solar System with the Earth
in the center to predict lunar and solar eclipses. It worked, they
accurately predicted all the planetary locations in the sky with respect to
Earth with a model that was totally wrong.
The effect of acupuncture can have profound implication in our body. If we
research into why and how it works, we may discover something that we may
really benefit from.
The industrial revolution was started by steam engine. The steam engine is
just capitalizing on an everyday phenomenon - water boils and turn into
steam. People have been looking at it for thousands of years and ignored it.
If our ancestors didn't have an open mind, we may still be living in the
stone age.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
xiaou2
>
> haha, right. So a WC punch, that is (generously speaking) maybe 60% as
> hard as a right cross, will kill people. I guess it could happen, but
> I'd be surprised as hell to know that it ever had.
>
> /Jacob
>
No, 60% is WAY too low of a number.
Think about this...
If a guy weighs 200lbs... thats a lot of weight. Imagine if
a 200 lbs metal frisbee were launched at you - and what it could do!
Now... the thing about how most people punch is that they
do not train to perfect its power. They lose much of it
by being ineffecient... and by poor timing and tentions.
We know that a 200lb weight will do lots of nastiness.. but
why is a fist much less damaging? Because the 200lb human
isnt one solid piece. His muscles, tendons, joints, skin,
and so much more... are flexing.. stretching, moving as
seperate parts.
For instance... if you stand still and throw out a punch with
only your arm... no shoulder, no waist..ect. You will only get
like 10% of the mass moving, thus even at speed, it will do
very little damage.
WHen the punch hits... if you do not tighten every single
tendon, muscle, ect in all of that arm, the EXACT moment
of contact... the enery you are trying to send forward...
will just absorb BACKWARDS into your arm parts that are slightly
loose (flexing). Basically, you lost 40% more of that
10% mass that you were trying to deliver.
If your arms were a solid bar - you wouldnt have to worry
about losing force to flexible material. However, that is
not the case.
Also... think about this... what hurts more? A punch to
the face or a heavy slap? A slap - simular to a Whip...
is more devestating. The force goes into the body and
stays there (dosnt move you backwards - just messes you
up internally)- litterally exploding the target. Where as
a typical punch will only do some minor bruise, and
push the guy back. Explosive power is much diffferent than
push power.
Now, the body is like 80-90% water. We are a bit mushy.
When we are hit... the force is absorbed into this
mushyness in many ways.
If you are loose when getting hit
(push force) - for instance,
your knees are bent slightly, some of the force
from the hit will dissapate into the legs and bend
your leg a little more to absorb forces without harm.
If your leg was locked completely straight when hit,
the energy would go thru your leg into the ground,
than bounce back into the leg and body, and basically
'shock' it with an extreme force energy release
(pain and damage).
The ground is solid, so it
cant escape there... unless the ground were jello...
(ok sure, some will absorb into the rubber of
your sneakers.. but not enough! : )
Notice that most drunk drivers survive fatal crashes?
This is because the body is so relaxed, will not resist
the forces...it will bend, flex, and move as its tossed
about.
However, when sober in a crash... you will tense up
certain muscles at certain times. When you do this...
it causes parts of you to become more solid... like
an oak tree rather than flexible like a blade of grass.
When solid - you are more prone to be broken to bits.
(IE: leg muscles are tight when they hit the dash, and
they all rip appart rather than just efforlessly
stretching longer)
So... we talked about how moving only the arm, will only
generate a small percent of push power because of its
low mass...
But now, if you were to be able to turn
your body into a solid piece of steel.. you would be
attacking with 200lbs - your full weight.
To do this, you have to learn how to tighten every muscle
in your entire body at exactly the same time, and that
makes the body become 'one'. One solid mass that force
can not bounce back into... but only travel into the
opponent you are hitting.
Also, since they are flexible, you have to hit them
at the correct depths - depending on the place you hit.
IE: Hitting a sponge will do little to the bar of soap
that is behind it. If you are punching into soft material,
you have to time it right so that you tighten only when you
have hit the more solid material.
IE: hitting a relaxed stomache with 3 inches of body fat
at a depth of 1" wll do nothing. It will absorb into the
fat material. But hitting at a depth just past the fat -
and maybe 1/2" into the more solid muscle area and THEN
thightening will thus allow the force to connect with
the rest of his body as a more solid structure, and then
will flow thru that and damage it.
Hitting the head, you have to consider the neck can flex
back a bit. So in that case, you need to hit about 1"
into the head and then tighten.
Hit the sternum - which has very little flex.. with like
only 1/2" depth.
Timing the hit when the person is most tense will
magnify your power. This is great, is in WC, you
can block thier strike at the same time you are
striking them with the other hand - and they are
very tense at that time! : ) And have no chance
to counter it! (unless they do wc too)
When you hit, you also have to make sure you are
not bouncing arround. That you are "Rooted" like
a tree. When you are rooted properly, the force
you generate is not absorbed into you... as it
will go directly into the other person. WIth even
a slight flex or loose ballence you will lose the
forces thru your heels, toes, ankles... ect, as they
flex from the impact.
Now about sparring and Boxing gloves...
When wearing thin sparring/grapple gloves, there is a
foam in them that absorbs forces. It may not be that
springy, but its enough to cause it to be very hard to
generate the snap force with. This has to do with
the timings are thrown off, and depth can be misleading..
and also, the opponent can feel the glove before the
solid hit - and may be able to better brace or escape it
to a slight better degree. Remember that a fraction of
a second is all it takes for a person to be tight or
loose and it what direction... thus any change will
be magnified a lot.
Wearing boxing gloves is even worse. The material
is so thick... that its nearly impossible to be able to
go deep enough into the 'solid' body, and then tighten,
and cause the force to snap. Even if you are powerfull
enough to drive into the body enough to the point where
you need to be... your snap will be absorbed by the foam
to a huge degree.
If you have a solid bridge - the energy will travel
thru it easily and unchanged. If the bridge is
flexible.. the flex will absorb the force.. and the
extreme explosive snap will not be generated or will be
grealy diminished.
Also note that the size of the tool you drive into
material will yeild differnt effects.
If you dive a palm into a person... it will be
powerfull - yet, do more surface damage than
anything else.
If you drive a single finger (has to be Iron
strong by conditioning), into a target + snap
force...it will act like a laser and destroy
deeper internal targets - causing ruptures
and internal bleeding.
Next, theres speed.
Mass * Speed = Severe damage.
A single bb flying at 1000mph will probably go right
through a 3 inch thich metal plate. Speed alone
plays a huge factor in how much damage you can do.
If you are off (slowed a bit) by a fraction of a second,
you will lose the full acceleration speed till target hit,
and thus lose up to 50% of the power you could have
generated from the extra speed.
Distance to the target = runway. The longer the runway,
the more power you generate (IF ALL OTHER FACTORS ABOVE ARE
REALIZED FULLY).
You can see that some WC people are able to generate
incredible nasty force from a mere 1" of runway! How!?
Because they are like a robot race car driver. They can
shift through gears from 1 to 6 every time, on the exact
perfect moment that is needed for a perfect trasmission
of power without any loss or strain. They practice
for up to a year of time to develop the ability to do
so. They are then able to repeat this usually seemingly
impossible feat EVERY time its executed.
There is also the fact, that the runway is not just
the distance from the hand to the target. Its:
1) Hand movement forward... 1"
2) Arm moves 1"
3) elbow moves 1"
4) shoulder moves 4"
5) waist un-coils 4"
6) knees turn 3"
7) then entire body locks as the full weight strikes
What seems like 1" is more like 1 foot of full body tavel
from all over the place. Each of these body movmnets generate
thier own speeds and forces... and once they are ALL locked
together... they become like a 20 punches in one! They
have a force that is so strong, that even at a single
inch, is like the guy drew back a full hook swing
punch.
Add 1 more inch... and the force is doubled.
A full draw back from chest to target can
be so devestating as to cause internals to
turn to complete mush. Bones to shatter...ect.
In order to move your punch the very fastest... you
have to have compete relaxed muscles. In your body...
there are pull muscles, and puch muscles. If a pull
muscles tightens a tiny bit durring a push move
(strike), it will slow it down like an emergency
brake being pulled.
To obtain 'fast' muscles.. you must not train so much
in weights... but more less in moving the muscles very
swiftly for several minutes straight without slowing
a bit.
You also need do rigorous stretching excercises to
rip the muscles up and make new fibers that are longer.
Finally, TRICEPTS.
To aquire some of the best power... you are going to
need a very fast and powerfull engine. This engine
is like attaching a rocket to your arm via a chain..
to get it moving supersonic and with great power.
You need to develop your tricepts to a high degree.
Bicepts may look nice - but they do little for punching,
as they are merely for pulling.
The larger the tricepts... the greater the power to
get them off in a real hurry, and the greater the power
to Stop then dead in thier tracks when you need to
generate snap. The greater and more solid the bridge is
from you to the target.
WC uses a Special pushup specifically for developing
them. Also, these special pushups are devveloping
only a certain section of the tricept area - thus
being more advantageous than other tricept areas that
have less useage. Either way, any tricept work is
good... just that specific methods will yeild
a faster more powerfull result.
Anyways... There is even more to all this... but
you can easily see that striking is not as simple as
it would appear.
However... you will not truely apprecate of really
understand the degree of this untill you have been
hit by a true master of the technique. By a striker
that has honed his craft to a precise act. That
can light your chest on fire for 4hrs! or worse.
And btw - as Ive tried to explain my last story,
I WAS """WORKING""" AT THE MALL in an ice cream shop!
I got ice cream for the uniformed jeet guy and
his daughter.. asked about the 1" punch... then went
into the backroom to get the phonebook so I could be
utterly amazed at his sickneing power generation
abilities.
Feeling is believeing. Go out and take a hit...
and you too will become a true believer in
snap force power.
Karim
> what hurts more? A punch to
> the face or a heavy slap? A slap - simular to a Whip...
> is more devestating.
Just wanted to repost this in case anyone missed its hilarity.
--
Karim <remove SPAMFREE: krashad at SPAMorbisFREEuk dot com>
Gama
some advice if he is any good?"..wasn't that Wannabe's question.
I told you guy, if you were looking for someone who has studied with him you
were better off trying here:
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/index.php
But I have to say, although I'm learning WC myself, the insight xiaou2 has
provided in this thread is pure gold! Where was he when I was inquiring
about WC's validity.
Gama
On 4/21/05 9:02 PM, in article F2Y9e.8893$9G.6...@news20.bellglobal.com,
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote:
>
> I found this Wing Chun training course in Monterey Park, California, near
> Los Angeles run by Sifu Gary Lam of (Yip Man)/(Wong Shun Leung) lineage.
> This is the link: http://www.garylamwingchun.com/training.html
>
> He offers an intensive one month 6 hours per day training course for U.S.$
> 1,500. I have bought some of his Wing Chun DVDs and he seems to be quite
> authentic. I plan to take one month vacation to take his intensive training
> course. Has anyone learned from Sifu Gary Lam who can give me some advice if
> he is any good?
>
> Best Regards,
> Wannabe
> =======
Fraser Johnston
> Also... think about this... what hurts more? A punch to
> the face or a heavy slap? A slap - simular to a Whip...
> is more devestating.
You really need to go to a boxing gym. Then again a punch doesn't hurt when
it knocks you out cold. A slap stings a bit.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
"Karim" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2005.04.27...@privacy.net...
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:58:32 +0000, xiaou2 wrote:
>> what hurts more? A punch to
>> the face or a heavy slap? A slap - simular to a Whip...
>> is more devestating.
>
> Just wanted to repost this in case anyone missed its hilarity.
Pure gold. I take my hat off to him. If he keeps this up he stands a
chance of eclipsing Ollie. I don't think he'll ever be a Victho though.
Fraser
Karim
>>> what hurts more? A punch to
>>> the face or a heavy slap? A slap - simular to a Whip... is more
>>> devestating.
>>
>> Just wanted to repost this in case anyone missed its hilarity.
>
> Pure gold.
Pure fool's gold.
Karim
> Nobody likes sunburn slappers
Like BCG punchers of my youth. Jokers.
xiaou2
You take an insane document of great knowledge, and
try to pick appart the only thing that appears to be
weak. How sad are you. You also have little
physics knowlege... else youd know what I was
talking about. I thought you programmers were smart
or somthing...
Well, lets explain...
A slap is usually only surface damage - not going too
deep.. since the hand is a wide surface area. Its the
effect that you should note. Its very powerfull.
Take it a little further - and you have IRON PALM...
where you strike with less surface area (palm only), and
use your total body... and dive deeper into the material.
If you were to set off an explostion into something like
a mellon... for best damage and effect..youd want to
place the m80 into the very
heart of the thing... not just touching the face of it.
Same goes here... if you want to do damage to the
internals, you need to dive into them a bit, then
put on the brakes to release the power deep into them.
You may have been only hit by a slap and stung... but
if you put your whole body into the slap to the face,
200lbs + speed + a 3" drive into the head
before tightening the slap... you will cause some serious
damage.
I was sparring arround and a guy slapped me. At that time
I lacked self control...so decided to show him that a slap
wasnt a good idea. I put the most power Ive ever into that
slap... and I did regret it. The poor guy was crying,
holding his face rolling on the ground for a long time.
A punch has more power than a slap.. but
a slap illustrates explosive power. A punch done with
explosive power = 10 times as deadly and powerfull.
Look for examples of iron palm... and you will
see sick power examples as well.
WannabeSomeone
You are too deep for them.
Programmers only deal with digits. You lost them already once you get beyond
their digits into palms and fists.
Some people think martial arts is like John Wayne movies style of fighting:
take turns in slugging each other to see who falls first. Duking it out is
all they know.
Your Iron Palm is like talking advanced calculus to a kindergarten kid.
Good Luck,
Wannabe
=======
JS2
"WannabeSomeone" <Wannabe...@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
news:koRbe.3992
>
> Your Iron Palm is like talking advanced calculus to a kindergarten kid.
The major problem I have in believing in Iron Palm is that it never
seems to have been applied to warfare. If it was as effective as
advertised, why did the Chinese have so much trouble with
first the Europeans and then the Japanese?
-JS2
scottsummers
First of all, what clued me off was that they both talk about wing chun
all the time, and believe in the same unrealistic manner of fighting.
ALso, what two guys, even best friends, suck each other off so hard
with comments like
You are too deep for them
or
Your Iron Palm is like talking advanced calculus to a kindergarten kid.
Hey, I think one of you guys, well one of your multiple personalities,
should go to a grappling school and try out your magnificent knee
breaks and internal death skull punch. Maybe then you will quit
martial arts.
T
> if you put your whole body into the slap to the face,
> 200lbs + speed
So you run at the guy to slap him?
Fraser Johnston
I figure Iron Palm just means that you need a girlfriend.
Fraser
Fraser Johnston
Happy memories of yellow bamboo.
Fraser
WannabeSomeone
"JS2" <j...@spam.is.evil.com> wrote in message
news:116vunm...@corp.supernews.com...
Iron Palm, like whatever martial arts discipline you are in, cannot fight
bullets. Heard of Boxer's Rebellion? That is why I am also pro-gun.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
WannabeSomeone
"scottsummers" <scottsu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1114635677.1...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I just came home from Wing Chun class.
Now I read the RMA.
Hey! Did I step on a lot of toes.
No, I am myself, not him.
If I do that, I may end up in jail and feeling sorry for killing innocent
people :^)
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======
WannabeSomeone
I think he meant you step in towards the guy if he does not come to you. I
think most people will move towards the target when hitting.
And the slapping is not from one side to the other side. It is more like
from you to him. A sort of like pushing-hitting with the heel of the palm.
Hitting with the heel of the palm to the mouth is prefer to hitting with the
fist, because his teeth will break your fist.
Best Regards,
Wannabe
=======